1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240
Speaker 1: And the Northern Territory Police Association has accused the Gunner

2
00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,560
Speaker 1: government of creating a perception of political interference surrounding the

3
00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,040
Speaker 1: arrest of Constable Zach Rolf. President Paul McHugh said yesterday

4
00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,520
Speaker 1: in a press conference that political interference was alive when

5
00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,079
Speaker 1: Constable Zach Rolf was charged with the murder of Kumen

6
00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,920
Speaker 1: Jay Walker in twenty nineteen, and is now calling for

7
00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,600
Speaker 1: that independent inquiry into the investigation of the un Demu shooting.

8
00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,200
Speaker 1: The Police Association President Paul mchue joins me in the

9
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,560
Speaker 1: studio right now.

10
00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,240
Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Paul, Good morning Katy. Paul.

11
00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,920
Speaker 1: Firstly, we know that you have certainly made comments over

12
00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of days around those comments that the

13
00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,960
Speaker 1: Chief Minister, Michael Gunner said just days after that fatal

14
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,120
Speaker 1: shooting that consequences will flow. The Chief Minister joined us

15
00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,480
Speaker 1: just a couple of moments ago and had said that

16
00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,959
Speaker 1: you've launched some kind of extraordinary campaign against him.

17
00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,840
Speaker 2: Is that the case?

18
00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,760
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know, Katie, in all honesty, if I've

19
00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,840
Speaker 3: ever heard a more tone deaf response to concerns of

20
00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,880
Speaker 3: our members and members across the country. I talk about

21
00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,839
Speaker 3: police officers and community members that have contacted me directly. Now,

22
00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,120
Speaker 3: you've got to remember way back when this occurred, and

23
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,320
Speaker 3: it was well over two years ago now, and the

24
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,679
Speaker 3: Chief Minster went down to you and the Moon he

25
00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,640
Speaker 3: made that comment. He said the word consequences. He didn't

26
00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,600
Speaker 3: say recommendations, he didn't say anything of that other nature.

27
00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,479
Speaker 3: And now we know, we know he was talking about

28
00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,400
Speaker 3: a crayon investigation. But this was two or three days

29
00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,360
Speaker 3: after what that community would have been going through a

30
00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,039
Speaker 3: traumatic experience of traumatic time, not to mention what Constable

31
00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,600
Speaker 3: Rolph and the other members involved in that situation we're

32
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,080
Speaker 3: going through. So for him to say that it's some

33
00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,280
Speaker 3: sort of orchestrated campaign, when I am simply representing the

34
00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,440
Speaker 3: concerns that we had back then, the members represented to

35
00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,240
Speaker 3: us and they still do today. If he wants to

36
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,960
Speaker 3: take that as some orchestrated camp, then I'm sorry, you're

37
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 3: not fit for the job, Chief Minister. Our job is

38
00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,400
Speaker 3: to represent our members. That's exactly what I've done. And

39
00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,280
Speaker 3: if he believes in some way that he, I mean,

40
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,040
Speaker 3: I guess what's even more concerning, Katie is his lack

41
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,240
Speaker 3: of understanding, or his lack of ability to understand what

42
00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm actually trying to say. I'm not saying he had

43
00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,559
Speaker 3: any interference in the charges. I'm not saying that whatsoever.

44
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,760
Speaker 3: It's the perception of what took place down at Yondermou

45
00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,240
Speaker 3: on the Tuesday after the shooting. Perception is reality. And

46
00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,760
Speaker 3: he was there, The Minister was there. He said what

47
00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,800
Speaker 3: he said, and it was the wrong thing to do.

48
00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,720
Speaker 3: And I gave him an opportunity that very night. I

49
00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,079
Speaker 3: rang him as soon as he landed back in Darwin.

50
00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,680
Speaker 3: I questioned him. I said, these are the concerns that

51
00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,680
Speaker 3: have immediately been raised to me, and I would like

52
00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,079
Speaker 3: you to clarify it exactly how he's done now two

53
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,400
Speaker 3: years after the event. I wanted him to do that

54
00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,000
Speaker 3: the next day and it would have put all of

55
00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,440
Speaker 3: this to bed. But no, he's waited, and now he

56
00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,960
Speaker 3: believes over two years we've orchestrated some campaign. Well, that

57
00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 3: is utter nonsense.

58
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,000
Speaker 2: Is it too little, too late, thy, Paul?

59
00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,800
Speaker 3: Obviously? I mean, you know, our members have had a

60
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,160
Speaker 3: gupfull of listening to the excuses from the Chief Minister

61
00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,120
Speaker 3: over what he was attempting to do down there. Fact is,

62
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,360
Speaker 3: he should never have been there. I don't care whose

63
00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,160
Speaker 3: decision it was that he went down there, and look,

64
00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,400
Speaker 3: he's the Chief Minister. Of course he feels you know,

65
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,200
Speaker 3: he probably was trying to do the right thing. He

66
00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,000
Speaker 3: probably wanted to go down and try and address that

67
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,840
Speaker 3: meeting down there and you and to move But you

68
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,919
Speaker 3: know the fact is it was a wrong decision at

69
00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,280
Speaker 3: some stage. When you're in positions such as he is,

70
00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 3: if you make a mistake or if you think he

71
00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,000
Speaker 3: could have done better, just put your hand up, say

72
00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,440
Speaker 3: it and people will respect you. But by going on

73
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,440
Speaker 3: the attack against us, he's just creating more of a

74
00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,800
Speaker 3: divide and it's unnecessary.

75
00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,040
Speaker 2: Paul, let's make no bones about this.

76
00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,480
Speaker 1: Are you on some kind of campaign here to discredit

77
00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,160
Speaker 1: the Chief Minister.

78
00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,520
Speaker 3: No, my job is to represent the membership. That is

79
00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 3: exactly what I did. And what's really sad about this.

80
00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,920
Speaker 3: Two young lives have been one was lost that night

81
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 3: and another a young constable. His police career is in tatters,

82
00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,440
Speaker 3: and this Chief Minister wants to make this an issue

83
00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 3: between him and I, the Police Association and his government.

84
00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120
Speaker 3: Let's just stop for a minute and think about what

85
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,159
Speaker 3: these people have been through, all the members of the

86
00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,080
Speaker 3: Northern Territory Police Force, what they've been through over the

87
00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,160
Speaker 3: last two years. For heaven's sake, stop take a breath

88
00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,760
Speaker 3: and show some consideration to what everyone has been through

89
00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,520
Speaker 3: instead of trying to launch some ridiculous attack against genuine

90
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,080
Speaker 3: concerns we've held for our membership.

91
00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,000
Speaker 1: Well, what are officers saying to you over the last

92
00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 1: couple of days, following on from this outcome being delivered

93
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640
Speaker 1: and following on from some of the comments that have

94
00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,480
Speaker 1: been made.

95
00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,839
Speaker 3: Look, it's been a tough time, you know, the last

96
00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,640
Speaker 3: two years. There's been a lot of questions that haven't

97
00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,400
Speaker 3: been able to be answered and they still can't today.

98
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,040
Speaker 3: What we saw on Friday was obviously the justice system

99
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,919
Speaker 3: play its part of the criminal aspect. We do know

100
00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,240
Speaker 3: there's a significant Cournal investigation to come I understand later

101
00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,960
Speaker 3: this year in September, and now obviously we've made it

102
00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,640
Speaker 3: quite clear that's what should have occurred in the first place,

103
00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,200
Speaker 3: rather than laying criminal charges at such a rapid rate

104
00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,920
Speaker 3: of what they did that horse as well and truly bolded.

105
00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,600
Speaker 3: But we know this Corona investigation, you know, and we

106
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,839
Speaker 3: hope it will bring out even more information about how

107
00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,440
Speaker 3: this occurred. And obviously there will be a whole lot

108
00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,800
Speaker 3: more to look at through that process.

109
00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,640
Speaker 1: You have also, you guys also want to see a

110
00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,839
Speaker 1: full independent inquiry here into this perceived political interference. What

111
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,120
Speaker 1: are you hoping that that would glim look?

112
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,760
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know this is a really unusual circumstance. What

113
00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,279
Speaker 3: we saw here was a member of the police force

114
00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,159
Speaker 3: on duty. He was tasked to go with others to

115
00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 3: arrest high risk offender, and you know, a police shooting

116
00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,400
Speaker 3: occurred and a young man died. Now, police shootings sadly

117
00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,640
Speaker 3: occur from time to time. We know it occurred before

118
00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 3: this incident, and it's occurred since and most recently not

119
00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,599
Speaker 3: too long ago. Of course, we know. What we need

120
00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,440
Speaker 3: to know is why the concerns, the genuine concerns of

121
00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,920
Speaker 3: people tasked to investigate this shooting in you and to

122
00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,520
Speaker 3: me initially? Where they were raising concerns about the speed

123
00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,880
Speaker 3: at what charges you know, were being looked at? Why

124
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,560
Speaker 3: were they ignored? Why were charges laid just four days?

125
00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,279
Speaker 3: You can't tell me there was enough evidence to put

126
00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,000
Speaker 3: to the DPP when those concerns were being ignored by

127
00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,480
Speaker 3: those those investigators.

128
00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,560
Speaker 1: What did you make of the Chiefinesster's comments when I

129
00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,320
Speaker 1: asked that question and you know, whether, upon reflection now

130
00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,559
Speaker 1: after that light really being gleaned in this space, whether

131
00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,840
Speaker 1: he was concerned that those charges were laid so quickly.

132
00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,479
Speaker 2: What did you make of his comments about that?

133
00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,080
Speaker 3: Look, you know he's obviously going to be concerned about

134
00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,280
Speaker 3: making any comment around the police charging. And you know,

135
00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,839
Speaker 3: I'm not one minute trying to suggest he was involved

136
00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,400
Speaker 3: in those charging or had anything to do with that.

137
00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,880
Speaker 3: I think what we need to really make sure occurs

138
00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000
Speaker 3: is a full review to make sure if there were faults,

139
00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,080
Speaker 3: if there was any concerns, and these are legitimate concerns,

140
00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040
Speaker 3: and the membership, I mean for two years, they've been

141
00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,520
Speaker 3: sitting there going how on earth did one of my

142
00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,040
Speaker 3: colleagues get charged for a no duty incident when they

143
00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,920
Speaker 3: were using force which you're trained to do. I mean,

144
00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,680
Speaker 3: no one can answer that for over two years. So

145
00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,240
Speaker 3: it was a concern from the start from us.

146
00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,200
Speaker 1: Paul the Chief Minister said just a short time ago

147
00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,400
Speaker 1: that you know, these calls for an independent inquiry and

148
00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,360
Speaker 1: for them to not take place will then to be

149
00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,120
Speaker 1: separate from the coronial and also separate from an IKAC investigation.

150
00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 1: That it's conspiracy nuts that you know that I was

151
00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,800
Speaker 1: asking him whether I subscribe, whether he subscribes to the

152
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,440
Speaker 1: views of conspiracy nuts.

153
00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,200
Speaker 2: But is this something that is genuinely being.

154
00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,640
Speaker 1: Raised by the rank and file of the police force

155
00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 1: right now.

156
00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,600
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, no doubt whatsoever. And I think I

157
00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,200
Speaker 3: made it clear yesterday that obviously we need a cranial

158
00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720
Speaker 3: investigation to occur. We need that process to take place,

159
00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,440
Speaker 3: and that's supposedly in September of this year, no doubt.

160
00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 3: As I said, there'll be much more information come out

161
00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,040
Speaker 3: through that about the processes, the procedures, decisions, all of

162
00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,000
Speaker 3: that will be really important to determine what sort of

163
00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 3: an inquiry might be needed, if any. But you know,

164
00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,000
Speaker 3: we need that process to take place first, because you know,

165
00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,280
Speaker 3: it's a very stressful time and it's going to continue

166
00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,680
Speaker 3: that way for many officers sadly.

167
00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,800
Speaker 1: Paul, I want to take you to comments that were

168
00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,080
Speaker 1: made yesterday on my show with Richard Rolf, the father

169
00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,000
Speaker 1: of Zach Rolf, in a pretty explosive interview.

170
00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,760
Speaker 2: I'll take you to what he had to say yesterday.

171
00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,679
Speaker 4: No commissioned officer has ever checked on Zach's welfare or

172
00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,080
Speaker 4: his family since the arrest, and they have persecuted him relentlessly,

173
00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,520
Speaker 4: without doubt. They are the worst employer in the country.

174
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,839
Speaker 4: They have no duty of care, so they're start for

175
00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,319
Speaker 4: satrocious and the only way the Northern Territory Police Force

176
00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,480
Speaker 4: can rebound to be the great police force that they

177
00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,000
Speaker 4: once were is to immediately remove Jamie Chalker.

178
00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,560
Speaker 1: So you are calling for the Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker

179
00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 1: to be removed from his job.

180
00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,319
Speaker 4: Whether he is sacked immediately or he resigns, I don't mind,

181
00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,560
Speaker 4: but he must go.

182
00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,959
Speaker 1: So that was Richard Rolf, the father of Constable Zach Rolf,

183
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,880
Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. Paul, does the Police Association support

184
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,880
Speaker 1: the commissioner?

185
00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I actually went and saw the commissioner yesterday afternoon.

186
00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 3: Now what we heard from mister Rolph yesterday was a

187
00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,200
Speaker 3: father who for two years has any son sitting there

188
00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,720
Speaker 3: on a murder charge, wondering whether he'll go to jail

189
00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,880
Speaker 3: or not. He's emotional, there's a asolutely no doubt. He

190
00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,280
Speaker 3: had every right. People will criticize Richard Rohl for a

191
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 3: lot of his commentary, but he had every right as

192
00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,720
Speaker 3: a father to say what he likes now in some respects,

193
00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 3: and obviously went and saw the commission yesterday. I had

194
00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,520
Speaker 3: a really good conversation with him. There are a lot

195
00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,199
Speaker 3: of members that have come to me talking about the Commissioner,

196
00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,760
Speaker 3: his tenure, his position, and right now I've relayed those

197
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,120
Speaker 3: concerns to the Commissioner. He's fully aware. I'm aware he's

198
00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,360
Speaker 3: off to Alice Springs and Tenant Creek to go and

199
00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 3: visit the membership. Is exactly what I'll be doing. This

200
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,600
Speaker 3: is very raw, it's very new. I need to get

201
00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,680
Speaker 3: outsee our members, have some meetings with those members, determine

202
00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,680
Speaker 3: what they expect from me and what they expect me

203
00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 3: to convey to the Commissioner. Now, whether that's asking him

204
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,640
Speaker 3: to resign or not, I have no idea at this stage,

205
00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,199
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of anger out there.

206
00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,000
Speaker 2: I know that do the rank and file support the

207
00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,280
Speaker 2: Chief Minister.

208
00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,719
Speaker 3: Look judging on some of the commentary received of late,

209
00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,720
Speaker 3: absolutely not. But you know, we know, as I've said,

210
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,959
Speaker 3: this is a pretty emotional time right now. We're only

211
00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,320
Speaker 3: a few days out from the criminal trial concluding. There's

212
00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,200
Speaker 3: a lot of emotion. There's a lot of commentary and

213
00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,520
Speaker 3: a lot of messages. I'm getting that all needs to

214
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,000
Speaker 3: be digested and will take appropriate action from you.

215
00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it does.

216
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,720
Speaker 1: I have got a message here on the text line

217
00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,240
Speaker 1: that said could there be strike action from the police union?

218
00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,240
Speaker 2: That one there from Russell.

219
00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, not at this stage. No, I don't think that

220
00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,200
Speaker 3: will be good for anybody. I think we're above that

221
00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,000
Speaker 3: right now. Our police do an incredible job in the community.

222
00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,600
Speaker 3: In the community need to know that they're going to

223
00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,000
Speaker 3: be there for them. There's other ways of conveying those concerns,

224
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,920
Speaker 3: and that's what we'll be doing.

225
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,080
Speaker 1: Paul. Can I ask what is the situation right now

226
00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,400
Speaker 1: with Constable Zach Roff.

227
00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,959
Speaker 3: Constable Rolf obviously is digesting what's taken place. For two years.

228
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,520
Speaker 3: He's had a lot of unknowns in his life, and

229
00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,680
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, his career sadly is in tatters

230
00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,400
Speaker 3: right now. You know, he had a promising career which

231
00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,200
Speaker 3: is now all but likely over in terms of his

232
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,960
Speaker 3: police career. To be quite frank, that'll be ultimately a

233
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,120
Speaker 3: decision for him, you know, in terms of internal matters,

234
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,640
Speaker 3: in terms of any of that. Look, that's quite confidential.

235
00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,920
Speaker 3: I know people are pretty keen to know what's happened there,

236
00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,360
Speaker 3: but I respect Zach's, you know, wishes. I'll be keeping

237
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,240
Speaker 3: that confidential. We're continuing to represent and support him as

238
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,240
Speaker 3: we have done since day one, but rest assured we're

239
00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,840
Speaker 3: supporting him in the best way possible.

240
00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 1: Paul, based on what has happened over the last few days,

241
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,680
Speaker 1: how would you say the morale of the police.

242
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:33,280
Speaker 2: Forces right now?

243
00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,080
Speaker 3: Look, it's pretty tough, you know, it's pretty pretty low,

244
00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,320
Speaker 3: you could say, But I think what we need to

245
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,760
Speaker 3: do is get out there and see people. As I said,

246
00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,440
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of other matters going on. Police

247
00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,839
Speaker 3: are dealing with a lot of other matters every single

248
00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,640
Speaker 3: day out there, none none less, and making sure the

249
00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,800
Speaker 3: community is safe and obviously making sure we've got enough

250
00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,720
Speaker 3: police to do the job. And that's our role, and

251
00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,160
Speaker 3: we'll be out there to talk to them as soon

252
00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,800
Speaker 3: as we can to determine how they're feeling.

253
00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,400
Speaker 1: Paul, I've got to say, I think that to anybody

254
00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,880
Speaker 1: who really watched much of the you know, many of

255
00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,400
Speaker 1: the statements that had happened on the stairs of the

256
00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,200
Speaker 1: Supreme Court on Friday afternoon, you could see that it

257
00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,880
Speaker 1: was such an emotional time for everybody, for the Police Association,

258
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,680
Speaker 1: for Zach Rolf and his family, for the people of

259
00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,840
Speaker 1: you and Demu. You know right now, I think it's

260
00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520
Speaker 1: such a difficult time for so many territori ens where

261
00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,000
Speaker 1: we do all want to band together. We understand that

262
00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,679
Speaker 1: people have got very different views in this space. But

263
00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,320
Speaker 1: like you've pointed out, it's such an emotionally charged time,

264
00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:31,680
Speaker 1: isn't it?

265
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800
Speaker 3: Look it is? And I think you know, we can

266
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,280
Speaker 3: have the blame game if you like, but it's not

267
00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,200
Speaker 3: going to help heal things quickly as we need to.

268
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,600
Speaker 3: But it is an emotional time. Spare a thought for

269
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960
Speaker 3: all those officers that were involved in this matter outside

270
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,280
Speaker 3: of Zach as well. Many of them had to give

271
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,320
Speaker 3: evidence in court over that five week period with one

272
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,520
Speaker 3: of their own sitting there on a murder charge. It

273
00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720
Speaker 3: was emotional, It was tough, and you know it's not

274
00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,800
Speaker 3: been easy, and of course it was emotional because you know,

275
00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 3: we are a small community and we all we all

276
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,559
Speaker 3: do band together, and we need to make sure we

277
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,920
Speaker 3: keep doing that to make sure we can obviously get

278
00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,640
Speaker 3: through what we get we have to get through now

279
00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,200
Speaker 3: and obviously make sure things are improved for the future.

280
00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,640
Speaker 1: I know there has been calls from some in remote

281
00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,560
Speaker 1: communities and particularly from some in the You and demove community.

282
00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,359
Speaker 1: You and demove Elder need hard grieves outside court questioning

283
00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,480
Speaker 1: whether whether guns or you know, whether police officers should

284
00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,040
Speaker 1: be should be armed.

285
00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,640
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts in this space?

286
00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I did hear those comments. You know, we

287
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,720
Speaker 3: made it clear yesterday we don't support the removal of

288
00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,320
Speaker 3: firearms off police officers. I mean, they are trained and

289
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,600
Speaker 3: equipped to deal with some really dangerous and horrific situations.

290
00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,120
Speaker 3: And often it's, as we saw with this matter and

291
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,760
Speaker 3: many others, it's their own safety on the line, or

292
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,520
Speaker 3: often it's the safety of others. And you know, I

293
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,280
Speaker 3: think there's a whole lot of other work that needs

294
00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,440
Speaker 3: to be done in terms of, you know, why people

295
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,840
Speaker 3: are being violent, why they're attack police. You know, that's

296
00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,280
Speaker 3: member safety's paramount, Katie, to be quite frank, and we

297
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,480
Speaker 3: would never support a notion to remove firearms off our police.

298
00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,000
Speaker 1: No Police Association President Paul McHugh, I always appreciate your time.

299
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,720
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming in and speaking with

300
00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 1: us this morning.

301
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,280
Speaker 3: Thanks Gatie, thank you