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Speaker 1: How many people are saying, Gee, I wish I had

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Speaker 1: Harry's girl. Here's the latest trailer in the Harry and

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Speaker 1: Meghan Netflix drama dropped yesterday.

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Speaker 2: There's a hierarchy of the family. You know, there's leaking,

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Speaker 2: but there's also planting of stories.

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Speaker 1: There was a war against Meghan to suit other people's genders.

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Speaker 2: It's about hatred, it's about race. It's a dirty game.

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Speaker 1: The pain and suffering of women.

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Speaker 3: Marrying into this institution.

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Speaker 2: This really frenzy. I realized they're never going to protect you.

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Speaker 1: I was terrified.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want history to repeat itself. No one knows

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Speaker 4: the full truth.

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Speaker 2: We know the full truth.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, let's try and unpack that. We've got to

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Speaker 1: Emma Gillespie on the phone from Mama Mia out Loud podcast. Emma, Okay,

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Speaker 1: where do we start with this? How do we begin

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Speaker 1: with the way this has been unraveling. Let's try that again. Sorry, Emory,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have you on the line there. I thought

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Speaker 1: to you, this is an exclusive. You're lost for words,

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Speaker 1: and I think we all were when we saw the

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Speaker 1: trailer yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Phil and absolutely speechless. No, this has been in

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Speaker 2: the works for a really long time.

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Speaker 3: We'd heard that Harry and Meghan had this Netflix deal

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Speaker 3: almost immediately after they left step Down as working royals

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Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty, and we finally are going to

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Speaker 3: see this Netflix Jockey series dropping tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: We're getting three episodes, so it's following one, which is

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Speaker 4: that's one to three. The week after we'll get the

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Speaker 4: next three final episodes. But this trailer, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: a second in as many weeks. But the first trailer

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Speaker 4: was really I don't know if you saw it, very suspenseful,

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Speaker 4: lots of music, not a lot of talking, whereas this

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Speaker 4: one is really led by Harry And what's caused to

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Speaker 4: stir is him confirming these rumors. I suppose that the

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Speaker 4: firm you know as they're called, have planted stories, will

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Speaker 4: have you know, conspied against them and leaked stuff to

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Speaker 4: the British tabloids, which is definitely going to cause you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of drama in the palace.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the influence anyway, the influence if you believe

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Speaker 1: what you know the trailer is going to tell us.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I often wonder and I'll come back

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Speaker 1: to you know, something that pertains to novelists you know

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Speaker 1: whether or not we are actually being led down the

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Speaker 1: track of sensationalism here and what we were eventually going

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Speaker 1: to get is perhaps a little bit of disappointment at

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Speaker 1: the end of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: That's what the firm would definitely have us believe, said

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Speaker 4: that there's.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to see here, and you know that's been their

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Speaker 2: message all along.

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Speaker 4: But we have heard so much sensationalism, as you said,

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Speaker 4: when it comes to this story, particularly when it comes

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Speaker 4: to Megan, and in her words, it's, you know, time

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Speaker 4: for them to share their side of the story when

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Speaker 4: mistakes are so high. But also, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, inevitably all of these Diana comparisons her image throughout

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Speaker 5: these trailers and Harry's words, you know, of the pain

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Speaker 5: and suffering of women marrying into the institution, and.

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Speaker 4: That it's a feeding frenzy. So it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 4: sort of see those storylines compared to each other. But

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Speaker 4: goodness me, it's a lot, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 1: And I wonder it seems to be the case with

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Speaker 1: Harry that he's harboring a great deal of anger, unresolved

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Speaker 1: anger over what happened with his mother, and you know,

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Speaker 1: this is his opportunity to finally vent after all of

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Speaker 1: these years at the expense of his family. We're led

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Speaker 1: to believe, and it's one of those stories where if

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Speaker 1: it bleeds, it leads, where you know, it's continually giving

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Speaker 1: you new information. Wills has had to come back to

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Speaker 1: talk to his dad about how this leads, as you

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Speaker 1: call them, the firm in the UK, the Royal family

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Speaker 1: also was the you know Netflix trailer dropped at exactly

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Speaker 1: the time when Wills and Kate were in America. It

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Speaker 1: really is, you know, playing out as a real time,

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Speaker 1: real life version of the Crown exactly.

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Speaker 5: And I think what everyone's waiting to now see is,

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Speaker 5: you know, are William and Kate going to tell us

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Speaker 4: Are we going to hear from them, because there's really

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Speaker 4: been two approaches here where it's either you know, the

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Speaker 4: sort of heard on Issaly vulnerability of Harry and Meghan

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Speaker 4: or the William and Catherine approach, which has been you know, duty, stoicism, silence,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not sure if it's really working for them

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Speaker 4: see that tell all interview from them, and whether or

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Speaker 4: not that will come, who knows well.

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Speaker 1: It's the only story in town, and they're probably the

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Speaker 1: most two divisive people, I think at the moment in

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Speaker 1: the world. Here's my thinking, though, there's this axiom among novelists,

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Speaker 1: to paraphrase it, that once you give you work to Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: you have to relinquish control of it, and I think

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Speaker 1: there may be an element of that with what's happening

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Speaker 1: with Harry and Meghan. They've basically sold their story to Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and Hollywood have said, Okay, well, now we own it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do what we want with it, which

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Speaker 1: means taking photos of events that don't pertain to their situations.

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Speaker 1: We found out there's been more and more of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, like photos of them being handed by the

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Speaker 1: press when it turns out to be something from a

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Speaker 1: Harry Potter movie, preview photos from you know, people gathering

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Speaker 1: to see them, which are photos from you know, the

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. There's been a lot of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: inferences to Megan talking about being followed by the paparazzi

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Speaker 1: with then you know, shots sort of spliced in to

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Speaker 1: make it look like that's what's happening. I wonder how

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Speaker 1: much of this is Hollywood that they don't have any

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Speaker 1: control over because they've sold their story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true.

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Speaker 4: And you know what you're referring to their sort of

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Speaker 4: out of context shots that have been used taken from

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Speaker 4: other events woven throughout their story, and it's not you know,

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Speaker 4: it's kind of disappointing because it's not as though they

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Speaker 4: haven't been hounded by enormous press pats.

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Speaker 2: But it's just clearly that, you know, a producer in

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Speaker 2: the cutting room is actually this photo sort of tells

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Speaker 4: And that's causes immediate blowback for them, and you know,

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Speaker 4: given their their haters inverted commas, you know, a bit

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Speaker 4: more fuel in this debate. But yeah, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure that they have a lot of say over the

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Speaker 4: final product in terms of the episodes.

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Speaker 1: That well, I wonder I wonder if they do. I

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Speaker 1: wonder how much control they've got over the editing, because

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Speaker 1: Netflix want their money back. I meant, well, at least

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Speaker 1: they want to make some money out of this. You know,

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Speaker 1: for them to come out and go, well, hang on it,

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Speaker 1: hang in a second, that's not actually what happened. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's probably too late for them to say that they

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Speaker 1: were badly edited Yeah, well we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've they've had a hand in controlling the

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Speaker 3: narrative as much as possible, so it would surprise me

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Speaker 3: if they hadn't negotiated those terms with Netflix.

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Speaker 4: But you know, then again, as you say, like the

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Speaker 4: Netflix has spent a lot of money on this, and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're looking to get as much of that

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Speaker 4: back as they can and they'll do whatever they need to.

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Speaker 1: So when do we get to see the first three episodes?

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow seven pm. It's a global event. We're getting at

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Speaker 2: the same time as the US, the UK, everywhere around

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: WBM for us get your pod popcorn together. Can we

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Speaker 1: check in with you later on this week to find

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Speaker 1: out what you think of that and what the wash?

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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's going to be watching it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: love it or hate it, it's you know, it's something

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Speaker 1: that you can't help.

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Speaker 2: But see, yeah, can't look away from it ever.

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you. We'll definitely check in with

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Speaker 1: you later on this week. Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Phil.

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Speaker 1: Look at last thing there from Mom and Mere out

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Speaker 1: Loud Podcasts And yeah, like I said, you may have

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Speaker 1: thoughts either way, but you can't escape this one