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Speaker 1: Now, Federal Labor have promised to open a Medicare urgent

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Speaker 1: a six hundred and forty four million dollar commitment to

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Speaker 1: deliver another fifty bulk billing clinics across the country. Joining

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Speaker 1: about this, the Member for Solomon Luke Gosland. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Thanks so much for your.

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Speaker 3: Time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, Luke, we know there is already one urgent care

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Speaker 3: How's that one been going?

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Speaker 2: They reckon it's the best in the country. They've had

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand presentations there at the Parmesan and urgent care clinic.

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Speaker 2: And of course because services there are bulk billed and

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Speaker 2: they have extended hours, seven days a week, it's much

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Speaker 2: better than families in particular. But anyone going and sitting

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Speaker 2: urgent care clinic. So what I announced yesterday is that

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Speaker 2: we will build, we will open one. It will be

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Speaker 2: that they provide seven days a week extended ours bulk

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Speaker 2: build health services, so you know, it takes a pressure

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Speaker 2: more effectively and efficiently. And let me give you some

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I know plenty of people that have

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Speaker 3: Ward.

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Speaker 1: In terms of this announcement on the weekend, where would

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Speaker 2: It's going to be in Darwin. It will be subject

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Speaker 2: remember that build services used to be a lot easier

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Speaker 2: What we've done is we've tripled the bulk building incentive

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Speaker 2: And what it means is you shouldn't. We believe you

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Speaker 2: And that's what this clinic in Darwin and the one

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Speaker 3: How quickly could it become operational?

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Speaker 2: Really quickly, because let's remember it's a current clinic that

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Speaker 2: we'll let everyone know that it's open now.

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Speaker 1: It is all indeed, you know, if Labor is reelected, Luke,

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Speaker 1: when is this election going to happen? It feels like

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Speaker 2: The promise that listens to me most of the time.

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Speaker 2: It's not always, but I reckon it's coming up pretty

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Speaker 1: This is making announcements already, like you're making announcements already,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I know there are people going though

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously, we've got the Parmesan clinic up and running

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Speaker 2: But it hasn't been as effective as we'd hoped, and

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Speaker 2: it's an Albanesi government.

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Speaker 1: Are you tipping election early April mid April.

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Speaker 2: This is not an official government comment.

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Speaker 3: We're prepared to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. However, look, I reckon the elections next month. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Any broad mate next month, like one date.

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Speaker 2: five weeks thirty three days is the rule. There'll be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll wait and see. We'll waiting here now.

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about the Darwin port.

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Speaker 1: We know last week, on the week that was Treasurer

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Speaker 1: Port lease. Where are things that from your perspectives.

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Speaker 2: From my perspective as a member representing Darwin and Palmerston,

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Speaker 3: So you're meeting with I'm meeting.

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Speaker 2: With Lanmbridge tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But you know, so you're going to meet with them,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's on the agenda from your perspective

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Speaker 2: Just this investment, Like they're saying the sixty million has

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Speaker 1: Look, none of us agreed, really, I think it's safe

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Speaker 3: There a concern.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who could have possibly known that the geo strategic

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Speaker 2: But we are where we are, and as you say, Katie,

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Speaker 2: And he said, oh, we've got this Northern Australia infrastructure

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Speaker 1: Look I and I know a lot of listeners won't

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Speaker 1: So what's next from your perspective and from the Federal

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Speaker 2: long time. But let's just remember how dodgy this was.

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Speaker 2: There was a five billion dollar fund. There's still two billions.

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Speaker 2: There's still still.

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Speaker 3: In power now. The government's in power now.

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Speaker 2: Next with there's still two billion dollars in the North

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Speaker 3: So you reckon we confuse that the port.

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Speaker 2: It's one option. Yeah, that's certainly what some of the

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Speaker 2: big super companies are saying is that you know they

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Speaker 3: Running out of time? Do you that we?

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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to get to is do

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Speaker 1: port could go back into Australian hands sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: It could if we've got a willing seller. Now they've

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Speaker 2: put one point three billion as a as a price

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Speaker 2: that is way over valued. They've put bought. They bought

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Speaker 2: it for just over five hundred million, They've had ten

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Speaker 2: years use out of it, and that profit went to

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Speaker 2: shore up some of their other investments overseas, so it

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Speaker 2: hasn't stayed here in Australia. They've invested sixty million back

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Speaker 2: into it, so we're not even a six hundred million yet.

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Speaker 3: So you reckon what they're asking for is far too.

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Speaker 2: Much, either deliberately because they're not a willing seller or

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Speaker 2: because they want to just chance they're arm We all

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Speaker 2: know people who put too much on their house just

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Speaker 2: to see what the markets thinking and if they get

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Speaker 2: the right person that wants to buy bang.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to find the right person

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Speaker 1: that wants to buy I think.

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Speaker 2: We've already got the right We've already got the right

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Speaker 2: businesses with the right vision for the port. We've got

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Speaker 2: so many bulk commodity projects coming through, but the port's

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Speaker 2: not fit for purpose for the expansion that we'll see

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Speaker 2: in Darwin industry. It could be with the right investments

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Speaker 2: and the right partners. I just am meeting with Landbridge

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Speaker 2: tomorrow to see, Look, are you serious about the investment

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Speaker 2: in the port that we need? And by the way,

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Speaker 2: there are willing buyers, So what do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's wait and see what happens. Luke Goslin,

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Speaker 1: good to speak with you this morning with Member for Solomon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Cheers mate, Thank you