1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It is not afraid to 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, Welcome back. You're joined 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: by Sophie and Amy because Kate's back at work today, 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: back at the old salt mines, isn't she. Yeah, So 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: she's just got a new job at an SEO and 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: marketing company, so I'm so excited for her. But I 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: think it's been a little bit of a shock because 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: she's been well. So she was made redundant four months 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: ago and has been doing a lot of work from home. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: But it's I think it's a huge shock when you've 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: got to get up and your alarm goes at like 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: six thirty seven. Even just sitting in that peak hour 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: traffic is a bit of a shock to the system. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: So Kate will be joining us next week though, but 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: she's a been a little hi she's tired, which is 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: fair enough. Well, Sophie, you had a busy Friday night because, 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: as everybody knows, we keep talking about your dog Archie, 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: and it's got to a point where you've decided he 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: actually needs to be taken to puppy school. Well, I 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: think most puppies need to go. It's not because he's 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: terribly behaved or anything. But it really took me back 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: to school. Sitting in this puppy class. We were all 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: having to sit obviously one point five meters apart. There 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: were only six of us in the class, and we 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: had to all do that awkward thing where you have 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: to introduce yourself to the class. And for some reason, 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: even though I've been a reporter before i do this podcast, 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I suddenly felt really nervous to say my name and 33 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: where my dog was from and his age and everything. 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, does anyone else get that where it's 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: just that situation where you put on the spot and 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: you're expected to present something to the group. I think 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: that build ups the worst thing because you're sitting there 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: and you're listening to everyone else's talk, knowing what like 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: that you're going to have to go next, and you're 40 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: almost reciting in your head what you're going to say. Yeah, 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and then I always end up speaking like super quickly. 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: The other thing that was really funny was it was 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of teenagers basically taking the class, and myself 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: and a number of forty year olds were just sitting 45 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: there with out pens and papers writing down everything that 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: was saying because it was so useful. But the other 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: thing that's filling me with a little bit of dread 48 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: this week is I have homework to do and I 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: also have to present again to the class about the 50 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: history of Archie's breed. Wow, so it's pretty full on. Yeah, 51 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: that is full on. My weekend was fun because we 52 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: had our Christmas in July party. Well I say party. 53 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: It was just you, me, Kate and our boyfriends. But 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun bringing out the Christmas decorations. 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: And I went to the shops on the Saturday to 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: pick a few things up and I had to stop 57 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: and get some makeup and I was waiting in line, 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: and I know this sounds really really odd, but there 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: was a woman in front of me and she was 60 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: asking the makeup artist to recommend particular makeup and all 61 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I could do was stare at the woman because she 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: was in front of me. And I looked down and 63 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: she was wearing those scrunch leggings, Like, have you seen those? 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Actually googled them? Maybe the correct term is scrunch bum legings. Sorry, 65 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: scrunch bum leggings. So they're for people who haven't seen them. 66 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: They're basically a pair of leggings which really accentuates your ass. 67 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: It literally looks like you can see, you know, your 68 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: full crack of your ears. And I feel so sorry 69 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: for men though, because obviously I'm straight, but I just 70 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: can't help but stop and stare when I see a 71 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: woman wearing these legings, because they are just so revealing 72 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: and you're just your eyes are just drawn to that area. Yeah. Well, 73 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: the woman had a great ass, but I was like, 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: why is she wearing these pants? Because they looked so crude. 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: And it was so funny because I feel like I 76 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: must be getting old. I mean, I wear leggings, but 77 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: these leggings are next level. They don't leave anything to 78 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: the imagination. You mentioned these to me, and it got 79 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: us thinking of where the men actually started to wear 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: these legings, how humorous it would look. Yeah, well, there's 81 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: never a pair of you know, there's no clothing which 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: men wear which accentuate a certain item. Because you think 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: of women, they wear tops to accentuate their breasts and 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. But could you imagine 85 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: a man walking around with a pair of pants that 86 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: makes his ass look big? Well, even imagine if there 87 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: was like a ruffled, a ruffled dick pair of legs crude, 88 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: that would be horrifying. Well, it was quite funny because 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: on Sunday night, Dale got up from the couch to 90 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: go to bed, and it was hilarious because he had 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: his sort of daggy track pants on and then he 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: sort of wedged them to make it look like he 93 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: had a really pronounced ass. It was bloody hilarious. I 94 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: would share the photo, but I don't know if that 95 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: would go down too well with Dale. Now let's get 96 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: into our first topic. They're the Internet forums and Instagram 97 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: pages holding influences to account. Thousands flocked to the pages 98 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: to have their say on their favorite or not so 99 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: favorite influences. Now, so can you tell me about one 100 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: of these pages? Celeb spellcheck. Now, this page, I have 101 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: to say it is pretty funny. He started off as 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: an Instagram account exposing influences, typos and grammatical errors. Now, 103 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: two of the women who have been highlighted most are 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith and Sky Wheatley. Now, both are obviously influencers, 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: and let's just say they're spelling is not very good. So, 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: for instance, Sky Wheatley has been shown up for not 107 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: knowing how to spell handsome. She didn't realize that baby 108 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: blues referred to postnatal depression. So there are a few 109 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: little things that they have been picked up on along 110 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: the way. For I'm kind of not surprised because I 111 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: do feel a bit bad for Sky Wheetey because she 112 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: has spoken in the past about being dyslexic. But you've 113 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: got got to take the posts as they are. They're 114 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: meant to be a little bit of fun. And there's 115 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: been a few other influences that have been really on 116 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: the target of celeb Spellcheck. One of those is Lily Brown. 117 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: So recently celeb Spellcheck shared a video of Lily where 118 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: she denied having botox. They then shared you scroll along 119 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: and there's a video of her from a few years 120 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: ago admitting to having botox. So, as we mentioned, this 121 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: site is really holding influences to account. They're really on 122 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the pulse, and I suppose what is The difficult thing 123 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: for these influences is they're kind of getting caught up 124 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: in their own web of lies. I mean, don't say 125 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: something in one YouTube video and then reveal it in 126 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: the next, because you're just going to be shown up. Well, 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: the site really has evolved because it was first just 128 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: a place where people would post spelling errors. But they 129 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: have changed their content up and they have been calling 130 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot of influencers out. There's been some pretty serious 131 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: allegations on the Instagram page. Some of them have been 132 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: accusations of influencers cheating on each other. There's been drug claims. 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: There's one particular influencer they keep saying has been seen 134 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: snorting cocaine and they have posted some pretty suspicious pictures 135 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: of this person. It does make me wonder will this 136 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: site be sued soon because they are making some pretty 137 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: outlandish claims. Well, the page has been shrouded in a 138 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: lot of controversy. The page has been covered by publications 139 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: like The Herald Sun, which is pretty big in itself, 140 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: but positively because I've seen it in the Daily Mail 141 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: as well and the Herald Sun. But it was sort 142 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: of like a bit of a puff piece on how 143 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: funny this page actually is. We haven't yet seen any 144 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: articles that I suppose are talking about this page in 145 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: a negative light in terms of the fact that it 146 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: is making some pretty potentially defamatory claims about some pretty 147 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: well known Australian influences. Well, it's interesting to take a 148 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: look at who created the page now for obvious reasons. 149 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: The woman who created it. All we know about her 150 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: is that she's from Melbourne and wants to keep her 151 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: identity a secret. Now, we often see that with a 152 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: lot of pages. For instance, in Adelaide, we have a 153 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: page called shit Adelaide, which is run by we presume 154 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: a group of men who want to remain anonymous as well. 155 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: So you never want to put your name out there, 156 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: I suppose when you are calling people into account, which 157 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: does make me think about the validity of some of 158 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: the statements being made if you're not happy to put 159 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: your own name to it. Look, I can understand why 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: she doesn't want her name out there. I mean it's 161 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: a hard one because if she put her name out there, 162 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: then other people would be following her and I suppose 163 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: writing in nasty things. I actually think that a lot 164 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: of influencers know who this person is well. It's interesting 165 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: you say that because The Herald's son reported that she 166 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: often and clashes with the identities that she chooses to 167 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: somewhat shame on her Instagram page, and she's been known 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: to publicly post dms of influencers asking her to remove 169 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: certain things or her conversations with them, so she definitely 170 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: doesn't back down when someone stands up to her. It's 171 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: pretty interesting she's talking to the Harold Son because they 172 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: would know who she is to be able to contact her. 173 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure the Harold's son would be the 174 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: journals would be quite connected with other people, so it's 175 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: pretty evident a lot of people would know who this 176 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: person is. I actually read a rumor and I'm just 177 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: gonna say as I said, it is just a rumor 178 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: that she's friends with Michael Finch. And if you notice, 179 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: Michael Finch is never on the page, but a lot 180 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: of people are speculating that Michael Finch isn't friends with 181 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: Lily Brown anymore. And if you notice, Lily Brown has 182 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: been a hot topic of conversation on this Instagram account 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: or that would be very juicy if it was true. 184 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: There have also been rumors circulating that the page was 185 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: hacked by another beauty influencer last year, because it mysteriously 186 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: disappear around December of twenty nineteen, and it's resurfaced now, 187 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: but it only has three thousand, six hundred followers, so 188 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: it will be interesting to see how much that page 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: grows in the next couple of months or whether people 190 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: don't want to follow it anymore. Well, that's interesting you 191 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: mentioned about another beauty influencer potentially hacking the page, because 192 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: there's another hugely popular forum which is called Gossip Guru, 193 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and this is an international website. It's been around since 194 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: twenty ten. I've only had the pleasure of going on 195 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: the page this week, and oh my gosh, I was 196 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: shocked at some of the things people were saying and 197 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: some of the influencers that were being discussed. Well, I'm 198 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: in two minds about the pages because I think that 199 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: it's incredibly refreshing to have a forum or a place 200 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: to go to to speak about our favorite influences. At 201 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: the moment, obviously, influencers aren't quite mainstream. So you know, 202 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: whenever I find a new friend who follows the same 203 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: people I do, all I want to do is have 204 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: a conversation about that person. So it's great rate to 205 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: actually have somewhere where we can discuss them. Well, the 206 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: thing is with this, with this forum, it is really 207 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: petty conversations going on. It reminds you sort of the 208 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: petty conversations that we might have with each other. But 209 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: I would never broadcast, like I would never go on 210 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: this podcast and broadcast some of the petty shit that 211 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: we talk about. But I feel like it's human nature 212 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: because we're in a world now where these influencers are 213 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: our celebrities, this generation of celebrities, because you know, you 214 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: look at the gossip magazines and they're talking about Brad 215 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: and Jen back in the day. Is there a difference 216 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: between us hopping on a forum and talking about say, 217 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: Shiny Grimman and Tommy Bug Well exactly. I mean, I 218 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: think that we need to remember that these people who 219 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: are being discussed have hundreds of thousands, if not millions 220 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: of followers and subscribers. Now, many of these influencers that 221 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: are being discussed, they don't seem to care about some 222 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: of the terrible messages that they're pushing to children about 223 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: plastic surgery or even sharing drug content on their pages. 224 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: So I think that it's great that they're is a 225 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: page that is holding these people to account. I mean, 226 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: just say, for instance, if Cleo magazine or Girlfriend or 227 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: whatever magazines are still around, if they started sharing content 228 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: about urging women to get plastic surgery, that just wouldn't 229 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: be on because they'd actually have strict guidelines to adhere to. 230 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: These influencers don't have these guidelines them to account. I 231 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: don't know if this forum is particularly holding them to account. 232 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: I feel like Celeb's Spellcheck is kind of because it's 233 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: this public forum where they're saying, oh ha ha, look 234 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: at this spelling error. But this forum is more a 235 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: place where people sit and it's almost like this forum 236 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: for hate following because the stuff that people are writing though. 237 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: So for example, there is a whole thread on Shiny Grimmond, 238 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: there is a whole thread on Sarah's Day. There's just 239 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: about every Australian influencer. There's a huge thread where people 240 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: will pick on the most minute details like oh my gosh, 241 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: did you see that picture in the background. Did you 242 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: see the way they didn't shade their eyeshadow in properly? 243 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: All that kind of stuff. It's quite comical because while 244 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: these people criticize the influencers that they follow. You can 245 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: tell that they watch every single one of their videos. 246 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that that sort of commentary 247 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: is helpful in any way. But I think when there's 248 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: people holding influences to account, perhaps over the misleading comments 249 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: that they put out there or advertising that they definitely 250 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing, I think that's helpful. Oh no, I 251 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: get it. I mean I'm also in two minds because 252 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: I think it is good for there to be this 253 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: kind of space where people can kind of just debrief 254 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: about the kind of crap that's online. Because, let's be honest, 255 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: I will sit and watch an influencers video and just 256 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: scoff at some of the things that they think is 257 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: sort of normal to put out there. I mean, I 258 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: was watching an influencer the other day on her Insta 259 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: story and she was just dead set bragging about her wealth, 260 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: bragging about her parents' sports cars and this new apartment 261 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: that she's rented that people couldn't afford. And this is 262 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: during a time where people are losing their job and 263 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: people can't afford things, and do you know what, I 264 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: feel like it is kind of healthy to have that 265 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: for and where maybe people are feeling a bit shit 266 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: about how their life is going and they want to 267 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: have a place where they can vent and say, oh 268 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: my god, how ridiculous, and someone actually says, yeah, that 269 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And it's also kind of healthy in a 270 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: way because it's this sort of dark web kind of forum, 271 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: so it's not like people are having to leave hate 272 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: comments on the person's Instagram account. It's sort of a 273 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: sort of secret space. I feel like, Yeah, I mean, 274 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: I definitely think that it's better than them leaving these 275 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: sort of thoughts and comments under the individual's Instagram page themselves. 276 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: But I definitely think it's important to note. I think 277 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: there's a difference in someone putting up a post that 278 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: attacks someone and puts down their appearance. On the other hand, 279 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: I think it's okay to criticize someone's actions that they 280 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: may be doing. Yeah. Look, I mean there's probably a 281 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: lot of posts on this forum that are doing just that, 282 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: criticizing people's appearance and being quite vile. But I do 283 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: think it could be a healthy place where people could 284 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: vent about stuff they've seen online, where they don't have 285 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: to go and troll the person that they're talking about. 286 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: But I also think it opens up a really interesting discussion. 287 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: And we've spoken in the past before about hate following, 288 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: and it made me think though, because there are so 289 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: many people on these forums discussing these influencers who they 290 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: apparently can't stand in so much detail that they would 291 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: watch everything they do, they know everything about them. I 292 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: actually have this theory that a lot of influencers only 293 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: exist because so many people hate follow them and don't 294 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: genuinely like them or are interested in their life. That 295 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: is completely spot on. I think that we all enjoy 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: hate following people, We all enjoy collectively eye rolling at 297 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: their content. And there's this weird bit of me who 298 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I hate follow a number of influencers, I have to admit, 299 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: and there's a part of me that hates them but 300 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: then sort of likes them, if that makes sense. Oh, 301 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: you get a kick out of you hate following them. Yeah, 302 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: it's not like you hate them as a person, but 303 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: you kind of just want to sit there and be like, oh, 304 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't believe they posted that because their 305 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: ideologies are so different to yours, as is sick of 306 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: seeing how other people behave. But then there's also a 307 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: part of me that sees these people as characters, which 308 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: can become an issue as well. And I think that's 309 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: when people take trolling too far because they don't think 310 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: it's a real person on the other end. So I 311 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: think that's something that I probably have to think about more, 312 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: that these people are real people. Yeah, not that I 313 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: would ever leave a troll in common, but well, the 314 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: thing is, I personally would never actually join a forum 315 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: like this and talk about the influencers. But I did 316 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: find it interesting to hear people's thoughts about different influences 317 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: who I follow, because a lot of what they were 318 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: saying I personally actually have thought in the past. Yeah, 319 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: and you feel heard. You feel heard if there's this 320 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: forum or community where people are echoing your private thoughts. Yeah, 321 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: But I do kind of think, I mean, is there 322 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: a time and place for it. I mean, if we 323 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: have a conversation with each other or our best friend 324 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: about different things influencers do, it kind of seems okay, 325 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: But there is something around actually posting online which seems 326 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: a bit icky. I think everyone's gonna be mindful that 327 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: the second you write those words and thoughts down, that's 328 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: on the internet for a very long time and though 329 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: that it's not like Facebook where it's got your name. Yes, 330 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: but although I mean look at Reynold from Master Chef 331 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: who wrote something on a bodybuilding forum years ago. He 332 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: was held to account for that recently, and I think 333 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: we do need to remember that even though this may 334 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: be in the dark deep pits of the Internet, there 335 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: is still the chance of that influencer might see it 336 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and it might cause them some sort of upset. Well, 337 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: just my point before it actually came out that a 338 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: number of beauty influencers were actually writing negative comments on 339 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: this gossip Guru site about some of their competitors. What 340 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: do you think of that? Did they have aliases or 341 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: them under their own name? They didn't actually have different aliases. 342 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: So basically, there are a lot of rumors about this 343 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: particular website, and one of the strong rumors is that 344 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: this website was hacked a number of years ago and 345 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the email addresses associated with the different 346 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: member accounts were leaked and a lot of them turned 347 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: out to be different influences, So they were on there 348 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: writing nasty comments. Well, it doesn't surprise me because there's 349 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: so many big YouTubers who end up doing videos where 350 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: they read out their followers or their trolls nasty comments, 351 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: so I definitely think they would be keeping an eye 352 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: on it. Well, in the podcast world, I've heard of 353 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: different podcast as leaving negative reviews on competitors podcasts as well, 354 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: so it happens everywhere. We do have to remember the 355 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: influencers spend a large chunk of their time at home, 356 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: so it's safe to say that they probably are googling 357 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: themselves and perhaps coming across some of this content. I mean, 358 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: it is incredibly hurtful when you do see something negative 359 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: that someone has written about you. Now, I'm going to 360 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: bring up the example of a number of years ago, 361 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: we had an article written about the three of us 362 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: and there was a photo of us on there, and 363 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: you know, as you do, you check out what comments. 364 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: This was posted on the advertiser's website, and some lovely 365 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: gentlemen decided to rate the three of us as who 366 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: was most fuckable out of the three of us. Okay, 367 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: I was a bit hurt because I rated least, and 368 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: I must say I was a little bit disappointed because 369 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: she probably should have done my fake tan that day. 370 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have let Kate curl my 371 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: hair in this day. I'm just joking. Of course, there's 372 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: a complete dickhead who said that. I but Kate, I 373 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: mean Kate who's not here today. She was rated number one, 374 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: So you know, maybe we're just jealous here that this 375 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: buffoon didn't find us attractive. The thing is, I just 376 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: think that if I was an influencer that had a 377 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: million followers, I just wouldn't seek stuff out. I just 378 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to know what people think. That would be 379 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: incredibly hard not to. I think you've got to have 380 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: a lot of willpower not to not to search what 381 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: people are saying about you. Oh. I think it's different 382 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: if people are writing it on your actual Instagram account. 383 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: But I personally, if I saw if I was an 384 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: influencer and I saw there was a thread about me 385 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: on this gossip guru site, I would go, no, I'm 386 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: not going to read it. I'm not going to do 387 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: that to myself. Well, it is interesting because the very 388 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: famous mummy blogger whose last name I cannot pronounce, Sophie Kashai, 389 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: is it. I'm probably gonna get over that now. She 390 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: recently wrote on Abby Chatfield's Facebook group about celebrities spell 391 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: check and how it affected her Now, she said that 392 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: she has been targeted by this page for a number 393 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: of years now, and it was for much more than 394 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: just her spelling errors. She said she was targeted over 395 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: her appearance, Her kids were written about, she was accused 396 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: of lying over the date of her son's birth, a 397 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: number of different things. Now, she said that she responded 398 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: to a number of these posts and said that the 399 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: admin or whoever created the page, all they did was 400 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: belittle her and humiliate her further on there, and she 401 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: said that she believes the creator has absolutely no interest 402 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: in holding people to account. She simply wants to embarrass 403 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: people and to create a space for bullying. Now, the 404 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: comments that Sophie was complaining about, were they comments from 405 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: other people on the post or were they the post itself. 406 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: I believe that they were comments left by other people. 407 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: And this is where it brings up the really important 408 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: issue of moderating comments. And now recent laws of pass 409 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: that state that media companies and admins of Facebook pages 410 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: can be held liable as publishers of comments posted on 411 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: their page by members of the public, and I'm assuming 412 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: this is on Instagram pages as well. Well. It actually 413 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: doesn't specify. I went to look into it, but you 414 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: can assume that that would be across all social media platforms, 415 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: and it really shows that businesses and people who run 416 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: these sort of accounts really need to be vigilant and 417 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: implement a process for monitoring these comments. Well, that's the thing, 418 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: because sometimes I do think it's actually not the post 419 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: that's that offensive, it's actually the comments that the post incites. Yeah, definitely, 420 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: But I suppose you've got to look back at the 421 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: tone of the page as well. If the tone of 422 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: the page is bitchy and critical, then that's the sort 423 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: of comments that it's going to promote. Well, we'd love 424 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to hear what you guys think about this topic. We'll 425 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: be posting a thread in our Outspoken Facebook community page, 426 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: so please hop on there and tell us all your thoughts. Now, 427 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: let's get into the pit and peak of the social 428 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: media week. Now, for me, it has to be Chloe 429 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: Zep's recent Insta story about her prege. Now, she is 430 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: just a week away from giving birth to Mitchell Orvil's child, 431 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: and I think she and he are in for one 432 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: hell of a shock, safe to say. Now, the reason 433 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: it's the peak for me is that I liked how 434 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: real and raw she has been and was about pregnancy. 435 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: In this post, she talked about the fact that she's 436 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: had so many fights with Mitchell that her emotions have 437 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: been so up and down and she really wasn't feeling 438 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: like herself at all. Yeah, they always do keep her 439 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: honest and raw, which I love. I actually found myself 440 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: last night going back and watching some of their old 441 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: YouTube videos. Clearly there was nothing on Netflix to watch, 442 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: and it was amazing how different Mitchell is now because 443 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: I watched a video where he must have still been 444 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: partying and drinking and doing drugs, and he just looked 445 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: so different. His eyes just looked different. He looked really sad, 446 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool to see how much he has changed. 447 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: She just looks so healthy now. He posted a photo 448 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: and he has put on so much muscle, He's got 449 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: so much skinnier. His skin just looks glowing. So it 450 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: really shows you the effect that drugs and alcohol on 451 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: your system. Now, what about the pit of the week? Now? 452 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: The pit for me has to be a post which 453 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: appeared today from Tully's smythe It was one of her 454 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: and Kieran from Bachelor in Paradise So Tully. She used 455 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: to have a podcast with Mum and Mia, but now 456 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: she started her own podcast called Too Much Tully, and 457 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm actually really excited to listen to it. I've actually 458 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: haven't listened to it yet. But she was announcing that 459 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Kieran was on her show, and in this post she 460 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: basically revealed that the pair had been dating since I 461 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: think she said January, which kind of spoils it for 462 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Bachelor and Paradise fans because we all know that Bachelor 463 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: in Paradise was filmed in November. I mean, having watched 464 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: the show, it's pretty obvious Kieran's not gonna end up 465 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: with anybody. But that being said, I have thoroughly got 466 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: into Bachelor in Paradise this year like never before. Yeah, well, 467 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about that soon. It really pissed 468 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: me off, though, for her to ruin it like this, 469 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: because it's just so clear that she's trying to get 470 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: publicity for her podcast. Now. She already had her influence 471 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: of friends Olivia Rodgers and Steph Claire Smith sharing about 472 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: her podcast earlier in the week. You think that would 473 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: have generated enough attention for it, But I don't know. 474 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: I just find it a bit off, like, surely these 475 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: people have a right to stick to you know, the 476 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: people on the show have to stick to certain guidelines. 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Brittany Hockley. She's got her own 478 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: podcasts and she's not said a word about whether her 479 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: and Tim are together. Well, it's been pretty obvious that 480 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: Tully and Kieren have been dating. I think we spoke 481 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: about it on the podcast probably a month ago now, 482 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: because there's been all these little photos of them together. 483 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: But I think the thing that annoyed me was the 484 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: way that Tully sort of stuck up for Karen. She 485 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of almost played off his behavior on the show 486 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: is just you know, boys being boys kind of thing, 487 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: and the tone I just thought it was really off. 488 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: And it was also, as you said, it was quite 489 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: attention seeking because she mentioned that they were, you know, dating, 490 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: But then she also called Kurrent a fuck boy at 491 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: the end of it and said that he wasn't really 492 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: interested in being in a relationship, so it left a 493 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: lot of question mark. She urged people to slide into 494 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: his DMS if they wanted to, so I mean, for me, 495 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I assume she was confirming that at some stage they 496 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: were together. Perhaps during the recording of that interview, but 497 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 1: that's that relationship has subsequently fallen through or it's an 498 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: on and off type situation. The interview was last week. 499 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Well maybe I'm wrong, but yeah, their 500 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: relationship doesn't seem it seems quite up in the air now. 501 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 1: We put the question to our Facebook community whether they 502 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: wanted us to talk about news that Shameless the podcast 503 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: now have a new sponsorship manager for any new listeners 504 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: who may not know. Back in May, we did an 505 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: episode discussing and dissecting how Shameless' podcast had changed over 506 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: time and how they were no longer holding influences to account. Subsequently, 507 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Shameless US ex manager now Jen Day, left a negative 508 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: review on our Apple podcast review system. We decided to 509 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: share this on our Instagram page and it blew up, 510 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: and it blew up. Basically, it blew up, and just 511 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to just preface this. We have no hard 512 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: feelings against the Shameless Girls or Gen Day. It's all 513 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: been forgotten about. But it was rather interesting the move 514 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: by Shameless to now actually employ somebody in their own 515 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: team to handle their sponsorship basically, and I think it's 516 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: a fantastic move. Well, I mean, to be honest, I 517 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: think Jen did have to be reprimanded for the fact 518 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: that she did that on behalf of her client, which 519 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: perhaps wasn't the way that they felt exactly. It really 520 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: wasn't a good look for the girls, and I think 521 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: that it's great to see. I think that they've stood 522 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: up for themselves and they're distancing themselves, I suppose from 523 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: the controversy surrounding it. I mean, just from a business perspective, 524 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a good move for them because if 525 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: Jen is taking ten or fifteen or twenty percent of 526 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: their sponsorship for thirty or thirty percent of their sponsorship money, 527 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: that is a huge chunk whereas you could just pay 528 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: someone an annual salary, which is way less than what 529 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: I assume they must be making for sponsorship money. Yeah. Well, 530 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to be so interested to see if there 531 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: is a change in sponsors because the girls have been 532 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: hugely successful and have had a number of great partnerships 533 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: with some big brands, So it'll be interesting to see 534 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: if those brands continue to sponsor the podcast or if 535 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: they'll be getting sort of new sponsors we've not heard 536 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: of on the show before. To be honest, I think 537 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: the fact that they've been having sponsorships for about two 538 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: years now, I think that they would have built up 539 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: that connection with those sponsors, So I don't think it's 540 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: that difficult of a job to keep that positive relationship going. Yeah. Well, 541 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: from a PR perspective, I've always thought, I mean, it's 542 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: a pretty easy sell that podcast to get sponsorship. They've 543 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: had about eighteen million downloads, the girls are well liked, 544 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: and they've got a huge following on Instagram. So to me, 545 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: I think it'd be a pretty easy job as a 546 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: partnership manager to be like, hey, Yonnie wants this podcast. 547 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: In saying that, I feel like if anyone has had 548 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: a recent look at Shameless's reviews, they will notice that 549 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: that barrage of negative commentary has continued on there and 550 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: it is showing that listeners are getting a bit sick 551 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: of not being what they feel heard. Yeah, but I 552 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: think that people are commenting on their podcast page because 553 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: they don't have their community anymore and they feel that 554 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: that's the only outlet that they have to leave their feedback. 555 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: But that being said, it will be a really interesting 556 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: one to watch and again, come and tell us what 557 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: you think. I suppose from a sort of pr and 558 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: marketing perspective, what you think will happen, because it is 559 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: a big and a bold move by the girls and 560 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: it will be really interesting to see what does happen. 561 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: Let's get into our reality TV rap and Sophie. We 562 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: mentioned it before, but I am living for Bachelor in 563 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Paradise right now. I am obsessed. I don't actually remember 564 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: a time that I've been more into an Australian reality 565 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: show than this. I mean, I have been hooked and 566 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: thank God for Ten's catch up app. It's incredible. Yeah. Well, 567 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: when Abby Chatfield left, I thought, oh gosh, this show 568 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: is just gonna be shit now, but wow, I feel 569 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: like it's gotten even better. I just love every episode 570 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: there's a new controversy, like, it doesn't lag at any point. 571 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: There's always a new theme to focus on, which I'm 572 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: really enjoying at the moment. Well, the saddest thing I 573 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: suppose it's come out this week from Bachelor in Paradise 574 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: is the fact it's pretty evident that Tim and Brittany 575 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: don't end up together. Because for those who follow the 576 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: Daily Mail, you will have seen those paparazzi shots of 577 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: Tim out out and about in Melbourne when people are 578 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: allowed to go out with what looks like a new girlfriend. Yeah, 579 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: this deeply centered me because I really wanted Brittany to 580 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: find her penguin, as she calls it. I mean I 581 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: thought they were really cute together. I mean they are 582 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: complete opposites. Of course, this is gonna sound really mean, 583 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: but I think Brittany's too smart for Tim. Yeah, I 584 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: mean maybe, I don't know. It's hard to tell because 585 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: I suppose we only see just a snippet of what 586 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: he's actually like. But you've got to think. So Tim 587 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: lives with Kieran, and Kieran has come across as the 588 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: biggest fuck boy. I had to explain this term to 589 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: my mum the other day just to keep her up 590 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: because she's pretty cool, so she needs to be kept 591 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: up with the loop. But if Kieren's acting like that 592 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: and they live together, you know they're going out together, 593 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: I would assume that Tim's a bit of a fuck 594 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: boy too. Yeah, I mean he always seemed quite in 595 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: awe of Britney, and even when Kira came in, he 596 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: seemed very in awe of her. I don't know whether 597 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: it's the celebrity surrounding them. Yeah. Well Brittany is so stunning, 598 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: so I could see why he's in awe of her. 599 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, as you mentioned, they're two pretty big names 600 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: in the Bachelor franchise, so it might be the fact 601 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: that he's watched them. Well, actually he said he'd only 602 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: watch Britney series you mentioned Kira. What have you made 603 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: of her appearance on this series of Bachelor in Paradise. Oh, 604 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: I have loved it. I have loved every second of 605 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: her on this show. It was the hurricane that they 606 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: were talking about. She has been incredible. I have to say, 607 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: on a completely different note, I'm obsessed with her hair. 608 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: It is cool, obsessed with it? How does she get 609 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: it to say like that? In Fiji most of the 610 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: others have this terrible hair that's just been hit with humidity. Well, 611 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: there's been the point brought up. Some people are questioning 612 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: her motives for being on the show, and they're saying, 613 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: is she just there to mess things up? Or is 614 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: she there for love? Of course she's there to mess 615 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: things up. They would have offered her big dollars to 616 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: be on that show for the exact reason of stirring 617 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: the pot. And I'm sorry but why are some of 618 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: the others there. I'm sorry, I'm sure. I'm sure Kiaren 619 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: and Tim could find someone else in the real world. 620 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: Are they really interested in love or they interested in 621 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: growing their profile? What's the difference? Well, that's a good point. 622 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people have said that Kira has been 623 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: really bitchy this year because in the first season of 624 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise, because obviously she came across as quite 625 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: bitchy in Richie's series. In the first series of Bachelor 626 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: in Paradise, she came across as really lovely, and I 627 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: suppose it was partly due to the fact that she 628 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: partnered up with Jared. What do you think of her? 629 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that she was being bitchy in it 630 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: or were you just sort of loving the fact that 631 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: she was staring the pot. Well, I definitely felt sorry 632 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: for Alicia because I do really like her, and I 633 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: did love the fact that Glenn stood up for Alisha 634 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: in that instance. So I definitely think that she was 635 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: being not being very nice. And if I was at 636 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: that dinner party, she would have made me feel very uncomfortable. 637 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: She's a very intimidating person. I think the fact that 638 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: she appeared on Ritchie's series, which was so many years ago. 639 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: The fact that she has so many Instagram followers, she 640 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: is probably one of the biggest names to have come 641 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: out of The Bachelor. I feel like she was quite 642 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: condescending to some of the lesser known people on there. Yeah, 643 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, whether that's actually her or whether she's playing 644 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: up to the character the producers wanted to be. I 645 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: suppose we never know. I did feel sorry for Alicia. 646 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: I do really like her. She seems like a really 647 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: cool girl. And you mentioned Glenn sticking up for Alisha. 648 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, could Glenn get any better? Oh? He's 649 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: my favorite on there. He seems like such a eat heart. 650 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: He's the dreamboat of the franchise. He got no airtime 651 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: in Angie series, and now he's sort of the hottie 652 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: of the show. Yeah. I love, I love I love 653 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: how Bachelor in Paradise turns out the people who didn't 654 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: get noticed suddenly seem to be noticed on him. I 655 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: know what about Jamie, because Jamie has been I suppose 656 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: one of the big stars of this year's Bachelor in 657 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: Paradise because he is such a unique individual. I actually 658 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 1: isn't wrong. I actually quite like him, Like I actually 659 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of feel sorry for him. Yeah, I feel a 660 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: bit sorry for him. I think some of some of 661 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: the stuff that's been shown probably shouldn't have been shown, 662 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: Like they're laughing basically at him. But I think he's 663 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: just misunderstood. I think he's actually, this sounds awful, but 664 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: very unintelligent, and I think that perhaps he's just not 665 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: getting how he's coming across. Yeah. Well, one issue I 666 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: had with Jamie, although I like him, was the fact 667 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: that he seems to be gaslighting Brittany. I feel really 668 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: sorry for britt She's really grown on me. When she 669 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: first came in, I was like, oh, oh my gosh, 670 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: she's full on. But now as it's gone on, I 671 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: think she's really funny and cool and out there, and 672 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: I do feel a bit sorry for her. But at 673 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like she's just got to 674 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: put an end to it. She does. But I do 675 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: feel like he is leading her on, because even he 676 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: couldn't even have a straight conversation with her and say, 677 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be with you. Did 678 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: you see when she asked him if he wanted to 679 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: have sex with her? It was so awkward. It sounded 680 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: like he wanted to have sex with Tim over her. God, 681 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: that whole relationship with Tim is just hilarious. I mean 682 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: when he was crying, when Tim was threatening to leave. 683 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the funniest segment on reality TV I've 684 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: ever seen. It was bloody classic. I love when Tim's like, 685 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not dead, I'm coming back. Well. The 686 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 1: other huge talking point is, of course Kieran's behavior, and 687 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: I could not believe when he jumped into bed with 688 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: his x Rene. Yeah. I actually couldn't believe that he 689 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: allowed himself to look like such a douchebag like that. 690 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they know that there's cam in those 691 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: little hearts. I know it is incredible. Did you feel 692 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: sorry for Jess or were you just like oh, I 693 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: think the way that the producers have put it together, 694 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: it portrays her as being very swept up and caught 695 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: up in him and very in love with him, despite 696 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: it being six days. I did feel sorry for her, 697 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: but at the same time, she didn't mind coming in 698 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: and stealing him from Abbey. Now, just touching on other 699 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: Bachelor news, did you see that Ali and Tate have 700 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: broken up? I did see that It took me by surprise, 701 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: particularly because it was a very oddly worded breakup message. Yeah, well, 702 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: they'd been separated. I think I read for about eighty 703 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: eight days during COVID because I think Ali went up 704 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: to stay with her parents in Queensland and he was 705 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: in Victoria, and so basically there was lots of posts 706 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: of them reuniting, and it seems that they must have 707 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: now called it quits after being back together. Oh, COVID's 708 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: ruining everything for everyone. I honestly think it is COVID. Well, 709 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean the phrasing of it was very much that 710 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: they're on a break yeah, and that they may choose 711 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: to come back together at some point. So it would 712 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: make sense that it was COVID related if they are 713 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: having to live long distance from one another. No, No, 714 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: they're back. They were back together. The interesting thing is 715 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: they have started this business together, this gym business, so 716 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to go on there. I 717 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: think they've jumped on Instagram and put this post out 718 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: because they don't want the same speculation that Angie and 719 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: Carlin got. Because you remember, just before they broke up, 720 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: they'd stopped posting inst stories together. They'd stopped posting photos 721 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: and everyone was commenting and saying, what's happened. Well, I 722 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: find it really sad because I feel like, not the 723 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: age matters, but I feel like Alie is at that 724 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: age where she is really searching for someone long term. 725 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 1: So it does make me sad that, you know, she's 726 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: gone through that whole experience of being on the Bachelor, 727 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: thinking that you found your person and now you're back 728 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: at square one. What I am disappointed at is that 729 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: this breakup didn't happen before Bachelor in Paradise, because she 730 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: would have been epic on there. All the guys Bloody 731 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: drooled over her the previous season she was on. I know, 732 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: I used to actually work with Ali at Mix and 733 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: she is such a kind person, so I was personally 734 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: really sorry to see that because she is genuinely one 735 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: of those people that you can tell she just wants 736 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: to be in love and she would worship the guy 737 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: that she's with. So you never know, maybe they know 738 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: if flights start flying to Fiji again, we might see 739 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: Ali return to Batsom Paradise next year hopefully. Now let's 740 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: get into awkward turtle, and I have to say I'm 741 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: very relieved because this segment is not centered on myself. Yes, Unfortunately, 742 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: this segment is featured on me and something incredibly embarrassing 743 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: that happened on Monday morning. You kind of frantically called 744 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: me to have to I suppose unburden yourself with this embarrassment. Okay, 745 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: so let's just paint the picture here. So on Sunday night, 746 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: my stomach was a little bit upset. I've been eating 747 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: lots of healthy food. I think we all know where 748 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: this story is headed. So basically, I've been in a 749 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: relationship for nearly two and a half years. Gosh has 750 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: it been that long? Yeah, this it's actually August tenth. 751 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: It will be two and a half years. Oh, how 752 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: lovely I know. And in all of that time, I 753 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: have never audibly farted in front of Dale until Monday morning. 754 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: I can see where this is heading. So I woke 755 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: up on Monday morning at about five am, because Dale's 756 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: been getting up really really early to go to work, 757 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: and I turned over and he had a bit of 758 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: a smirk on his face, and so I was like, Oh, 759 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: what's what's going on? And he told me to look 760 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: at my phone, but I pressed him for more information, 761 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: and he insisted that I look at my phone and 762 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: so this message read four point thirty am Monday, the 763 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: twenty seventh of July twenty twenty first audible fart Dale 764 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: has ever heard Amy do, laughing face and a kiss. 765 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 1: Then I have a second message that says and four 766 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: forty five am. I was so embarrassed. Do not have 767 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: to say about that whole situation. I think it's very unfair. 768 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: Who the hell is up at full thirty to monitor 769 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: these farts. That's when you get your sneaky farts out 770 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: in a lifetime. And I was asleep, and I'm going 771 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: to blame my new healthy regime because I have been 772 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: consuming magnesium every night before I go to bed, and 773 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: apparently that's meant to sort of relax all your muscles. 774 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: So I had no control of my bodily function and 775 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: to make the matter even well, not worse. But then 776 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: Dale at five am decided to make me feel better 777 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: by doing a loud fart. And anyway, it's It was 778 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: actually quite funny because when he went to work, he 779 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: sent me a text because we just had Christmas July 780 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: Christmas in July on the weekend, and he said, do 781 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: you want this for your next Christmas jumper and it 782 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: was literally a T shirt that said I love farts, 783 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: and I said, you farted this morning. That's what happens 784 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: when you leave it for so long, it builds up 785 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: into it being such a big deal. I know. So 786 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: now I can just drop my guts, but I'm not 787 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: going to me. I'm not going to be I think 788 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: that's all we have time for. But before we go, 789 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to provide a little bit of an update 790 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: on my reental situation that has been providing me with 791 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and upset at the moment. We 792 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: did have a bet going on in the Facebook community 793 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: and a few people have been asking have you rented 794 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: your property now. A good friend, Damo, who is in 795 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: the community, he guessed twenty two days now. That was 796 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: because of our love for Taylor Swift and of course 797 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: her song twenty two Now. I liked that, guest. Now 798 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: it is coming up to I believe it is day nineteen. 799 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: But I have had some refreshing news today. Apparently two 800 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: people have actually applied for the house. Oh my gosh. 801 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: Now whether they approve by the landlord will be a 802 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: different story. I'm keeping my fingers crossed now is it 803 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: when they're approved or when they actually move in. I 804 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: think it's when they actually move in and we have 805 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: to stop paying rent. So there's a few days now, Dami, 806 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: your your answer could be true if they want to 807 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: move in straight away. Well, I said four weeks, so 808 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: I could be bang on because that will be twenty 809 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: eight days. Is there a prize? I feel like we 810 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: need some sort of prize for whoever is closest. Yeah, 811 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: we can work something out. Yeah, pull a few strings. 812 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what the prize will be, but we'll 813 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: get thinking about. What about that. I've got a few 814 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: pairs of mudib body underpans. I don't know if they'd 815 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: work with demo, but you never know. Yeah, that's right. 816 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: These obviously aren't used, but fresh a fresh pad. All right. Well, 817 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. 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