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Speaker 1: On today's episode, I have this week's booted castaways from
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor and what a week it has been saying
Speaker 1: goodbye to Stevie, David and Flick, all big names and
Speaker 1: proof that this competition is really heating up. The bumbling
Speaker 1: villain with a heart of gold and a few scores
Speaker 1: to settle. David was the lamb backstrap with a mail
Speaker 1: strong meat tray alliance, and Flick easily known as Flip,
Speaker 1: was the returnee with the second chance to improve her game.
Speaker 1: First up, I'll chat with Stevie and find out what
Speaker 1: he thinks of George's portrayal. Now, I'll also find out
Speaker 1: if George is as arrogant as he seems on camera,
Speaker 1: plus how he feels with some time to heal from
Speaker 1: that epic blind side. Then David will join me to
Speaker 1: talk about Speedo's Yeah, his Speedos, You're welcome, alliances he
Speaker 1: may or we may not have seen, and how he
Speaker 1: ranks himself against the other AFL players who have previously
Speaker 1: been seen on Australian Survivor. Finally, we will have Flick,
Speaker 1: who will spill the tea on a secret relationship with
Speaker 1: George and Hayley. We will find out if Flick thinks
Speaker 1: Sean should have played his idol for her and for
Speaker 1: Flick why returning to the series was so important. Plus,
Speaker 1: we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of the fifth week of austray Survivor, which you can
Speaker 1: catch up on now on ten play anyway, let's bring
Speaker 1: Stevie into the podcast and I hope you enjoy this
Speaker 1: part of the episode. Congratulations on beating your personal best.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so rap In fact, that's what it's
Speaker 2: all about. I wasn't trying to beat any other characters
Speaker 2: or by ten thousand idols. It was just I lasted
Speaker 2: twenty eight days this day, yay, right, and I went
Speaker 2: past tribe swapped as well. But the next hurdle was
Speaker 2: meant to be merged. Dang, it just missed up by
Speaker 2: one day.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But was there anyone in particular that you were really
Speaker 1: looking forward to working with once the merch happened that's
Speaker 1: now been stolen from you.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can say it's been stolen a little bit
Speaker 2: of a password, but you know, like in Survivor, you've
Speaker 2: got to understand that all better off you can get
Speaker 2: stuffed right away, so you expect the unexpected. That's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, though, how confident were you
Speaker 1: that you would come back to Australian Survivor one day.
Speaker 2: That's a good question because I don't think I'll come back,
Speaker 2: but never said ever. But the reason why I don't
Speaker 2: feel like coming back is because there are so many
Speaker 2: great new characters you haven't even seen before, out there
Speaker 2: personality and all that give them a judge to get
Speaker 2: on it. And you know, boring old pag like me.
Speaker 1: I can't say that because fans really wanted to see
Speaker 1: you back. I mean, I don't know if you read
Speaker 1: any of the fan forums, and I really wanted to
Speaker 1: see you back on the show as well. But I
Speaker 1: just was curious as to whether or not, you know,
Speaker 1: you had your feelers out with the Survivor World. Was
Speaker 1: it a shock to you to get the call? Because
Speaker 1: I always wonder sometimes do people get told sit tight
Speaker 1: because we've got something for you?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I was half expecting it because when
Speaker 2: I acted out of season three, I had a quiet
Speaker 2: word with the you know, the little gods out there
Speaker 2: in the production. You know, look, I'm going to keep
Speaker 2: this wardrobe in this box and I've put a label
Speaker 2: top for my return, and she loved at me, and
Speaker 2: I said, when I'm ready, I already got my wardrobe,
Speaker 2: come on, get on with it. You know that I
Speaker 2: wore the same World robe as I did in season
Speaker 2: three twenty eighteen, mostly except undies.
Speaker 1: Are actually always change. The undies always changed. What IM said, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know this year certainly seems very unpredictable at the
Speaker 1: best of times. But what made you feel so safe
Speaker 1: in that final tribal council for you that you didn't
Speaker 1: see the blind side country?
Speaker 2: Because I have to speak with example, as in like
Speaker 2: actually with example kind of thing. In other words, I've
Speaker 2: been telling everyone we've got to remain strong right as
Speaker 2: an alliance in to merge. There should never be any betrayal.
Speaker 2: There should be never any blind siding, you know, no,
Speaker 2: no treachery. And I make that emphasis all the way
Speaker 2: along to everyone and including the new recruit Matt. If
Speaker 2: you join us, relaxed, We're not going to go after you.
Speaker 2: We're going to go strong. And many times I said
Speaker 2: this word to them. You know, they're all saying, you know,
Speaker 2: divided before basically, and so when I went into the
Speaker 2: tribal council, I had to go old boots and all.
Speaker 2: I just got to believe in it, believe in what
Speaker 2: they're saying.
Speaker 1: Well, with George, it sort of did feel like he
Speaker 1: built your trust only to destroy it. Would it be
Speaker 1: fair to say that George's intention to gain your trust
Speaker 1: only a few weeks back at that hectic tribal council,
Speaker 1: quickly seemed dashed last night when he offered your head
Speaker 1: in exchange for this flick compromise.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think it was a deliberate intent. I
Speaker 2: do sense that George was under pressure. He was just
Speaker 2: a tactical error of the moment when you're under so
Speaker 2: much duress being forced to make a decision. So it's
Speaker 2: not like George to be like that. He's always looking
Speaker 2: at the strategym beyond the horizon. But it's just a
Speaker 2: moment of witness there and I was just a bunny unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and it worked that way. It was more worried about
Speaker 2: wasting the title that this has. I can see that,
Speaker 2: and he also want to stamp his authority to the girls.
Speaker 1: But what I mean, this is my only concern with that.
Speaker 1: What makes Jerry a better candidate to keep in you
Speaker 1: know the minds of the current heroes tribe like why
Speaker 1: did he Why is Jerry all of a sudden getting
Speaker 1: that power?
Speaker 2: Well, no, if you look at what happened framed by Premier, Essentially,
Speaker 2: I was busy trying to respond to jailp asking all
Speaker 2: these silly questions about loyalty, you know, like and so
Speaker 2: while I was talking, so George had to go to
Speaker 2: talk to somebody, and there's Jerry to find out what
Speaker 2: he think the clue was. When when all is said
Speaker 2: and done, George didn't come back to me to confirm
Speaker 2: what he talked to Jerry about. So that's that's when
Speaker 2: I started feeling at bit uneasy. But it was delete now, uh,
Speaker 2: with some disappointment at why George went after me, whereby
Speaker 2: Matt is the most obvious target. What do you reckon?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think people were saying that you
Speaker 1: might be flip flopping around and you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: wouldn't always follow the plan, but I think they undersold
Speaker 1: that with you. I don't think that was accurate. I
Speaker 1: think that you were able to make executive decisions and
Speaker 1: be loyal to the right people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct.
Speaker 1: And I also think, you know, this fracture that is
Speaker 1: with Liz and shining towards George has me really concerned
Speaker 1: for the so called Spice girl's future. Last night really
Speaker 1: showed us who has the control on the Spice Girls,
Speaker 1: And for me, I think it's Shonnie and Liz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, most or Liz when she bring out the
Speaker 2: big gun up the idol on Blick. That would be
Speaker 2: a stupid move in my humble opinion, because you're was
Speaker 2: thinking one idol for the community use of the allied line. Sorry,
Speaker 2: and so I don't know what you want to go
Speaker 2: through it or not, but that will be really crazy
Speaker 2: and it's the wrong it's the wrong forum to talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, a decision this should have been before tribal
Speaker 2: council too, won't bring it up. These are all the
Speaker 2: things that that the gameplay is based on emotions, not strategy,
Speaker 2: and that's where we are weake at at this point
Speaker 2: in our alliance, and I can see him moving forward.
Speaker 2: Probably it can be the start of the breakup of
Speaker 2: the Space Girls. I mean Space already gone.
Speaker 1: Well we all know what happened to their actual Spice Girls.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a in prophecy, and maybe that means
Speaker 1: that the name is more suitable than we ever thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to ask you though. So George
Speaker 1: is most certainly the most obviously calculated and manipulative castaway
Speaker 1: that we've seen this on this season. Maybe ever, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I love him, by the way, So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything negative towards him at all. But
Speaker 1: if you are quick to point out that he is
Speaker 1: quite arrogant when he talks to the camera and talks
Speaker 1: to us, is his arrogancy? Is that more obvious on
Speaker 1: the beat?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got to defend King George on this front. Now,
Speaker 2: how do you call him rogant? It's just just him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone's got their own personal even me. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a bit goofy. Sometimes you figure that out. But remember
Speaker 2: at the time when in one of my professions someone
Speaker 2: asked me about and what do you think about George?
Speaker 2: And I say, like, well, he's the kind of guy
Speaker 2: who walked in the pub and everybody wants to punch
Speaker 2: him the face. That's that's that's exactly true. That's what
Speaker 2: it's just sometimes you said the wrong thing thinking about
Speaker 2: what he says. But he really quite meaningful and harmless
Speaker 2: really in so many different ways. Yes, if you look
Speaker 2: at arrogance, it would be it would it will be
Speaker 2: an half a male, one of the half males. We're
Speaker 2: not naming names.
Speaker 1: Do you think Haley knowing about Nina at this stage
Speaker 1: might be a little bit too unsettling and unnecessary at
Speaker 1: this point. Do you think it was good of George
Speaker 1: to tell Haley about that kind of dissension that he
Speaker 1: knows about.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean George a gender was obviously to
Speaker 2: try to connect with her and create a telopathic bond
Speaker 2: of some sort, right, Yeah, but it will works. Called
Speaker 2: it male induition if you want. Of Haley. I find
Speaker 2: Hailey to be a very high anxiety person. With all
Speaker 2: do respect, I'm not talking anything disparaging him, Halle, but
Speaker 2: this is my impression she She's anxious about this and
Speaker 2: that and everything else, you know, everything to be in
Speaker 2: the right place. Yeah, so George was a good moderator
Speaker 2: for Haley. That's how I see it. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you see the thing, but that's how it fan
Speaker 2: out to this very date.
Speaker 1: You know, Shawnie and Liz as well, you know, now
Speaker 1: I don't know them sitting there like giggling school girls
Speaker 1: at the back of the class. I mean, that's kind
Speaker 1: of how I say it. You know, I saw a
Speaker 1: real Harley Quinn devil may care side to Shawnee last night,
Speaker 1: which that's me sort of questioning, you know, is laughing
Speaker 1: and showing no real sign of empathy about who you're
Speaker 1: sending home. Is that good or bad for her if
Speaker 1: she makes it to the final tribal council? Because I
Speaker 1: can imagine if you if I was you Wan, I
Speaker 1: was watching it back last night, I saw how easy
Speaker 1: they were flipping and laughing about who was going to
Speaker 1: go home. That might piss me off and I might
Speaker 1: not want her to win at the end when it
Speaker 1: comes down to you, guys.
Speaker 2: Well it gives that that kind of impression, it will
Speaker 2: fish you off, no doubt because it might will. Because
Speaker 2: people like that shows, as you said before, a level
Speaker 2: of arrogance, right, and like empathy, which is essential when
Speaker 2: you had to flee before the jury, because they're going
Speaker 2: to be the jury, the one that you're having a
Speaker 2: go at, right. And it's kind of standing in some
Speaker 2: way because it shows that the gamemanship adopted by these
Speaker 2: girls is mainly based on emotive level, ravent on strategic level.
Speaker 2: But don't underestimate them simply because an army of two
Speaker 2: is always dangerous, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 2: look at either seasons of survival, whereas American or African
Speaker 2: Australia and army too allowed to bond is utterly dangerous
Speaker 2: now if they're a transplant into a gradio alligance, what
Speaker 2: the danger is in your lines itself, which is what
Speaker 2: happened last night. So usually when you see an army
Speaker 2: of two growing, you should try to spit them up
Speaker 2: by building one out as just as possible. It's a
Speaker 2: complex issues, isn't it now?
Speaker 1: It's very complex. I mean, how are your friends and
Speaker 1: family going watching you on this show? I meant, do
Speaker 1: they get really stressed out? I can imagine that this
Speaker 1: season being the best season of Australian Survivor that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen, particularly because it's so intense.
Speaker 2: Oh, with doubt, I know I'm biased, but with no doubt.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I had this conversation with someone yesterday and I said,
Speaker 1: I think that this season of Australian Survivor is the
Speaker 1: best reality TV series we've seen in Australia. And they said, oh,
Speaker 1: what about us? The first season of Australian Idol? What
Speaker 1: about the first season of Big Brother? But maybe because
Speaker 1: we're in the thick of it and it seems more intense,
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that this is the best reality TV.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, man, you can't count the first season
Speaker 2: of any reality show because there's an element of nobility there, right.
Speaker 1: I think they also picking people that are willing these
Speaker 1: days to lean into their characters, you know, lean into
Speaker 1: their villainy, lean into their hero character, but also have
Speaker 1: fun better show. People often talk about the conflict on
Speaker 1: the show and say, oh, it's a bit full on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a bit stressful, but I can still
Speaker 1: see through that. I can still see everyone that's been
Speaker 1: selected to be on the show is having a good time.
Speaker 1: Is that is that how you feeled now?
Speaker 2: I'm in a good with you. Definitely, That's how we
Speaker 2: all feel it was. It was great casting. Some people
Speaker 2: was critical of the casting to beginning, but you know,
Speaker 2: you don't want any typical, peotypical kind of characters in
Speaker 2: there a bit of diversity here and there, and we
Speaker 2: got it this time. We got crazy people with people,
Speaker 2: and smart people and and microagoristic people. Rama just and
Speaker 2: all by itself without any help needed. Thank you.
Speaker 1: People said that you looked really sad last night, and
Speaker 1: I felt the same. So I was looking forward to
Speaker 1: talking to you today because your last piece of camera
Speaker 1: make looked really sad. But how are you feeling about
Speaker 1: it all?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Look at the heat at the moment. At that time,
Speaker 2: I noticed that, you know, it was filmed uh many
Speaker 2: months ago. You've got to be sad to be suddenly
Speaker 2: blindsided like that. I mean, otherwise I'm just kidding myself.
Speaker 2: And I was disappointed. I was really disappointed. How dare you?
Speaker 2: I'm mean, your team and I did everything I can
Speaker 2: to keep you guys alive, and you and you reward
Speaker 2: me with this. Yeah, I had to look at it
Speaker 2: again to see how sad I look. But even now, Look,
Speaker 2: I'm philosophical about it. That's survivor. That's how you play
Speaker 2: the game. And if you want to play it like that,
Speaker 2: then't tell me it. You can even toss out any
Speaker 2: morality if you want to.
Speaker 1: You have to know what you you have to know
Speaker 1: what you're signing up for. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, if you're the sort of person who
Speaker 1: is you know, going to push the giant cookie over
Speaker 1: and throw a tantrum, you know, then maybe you're not
Speaker 1: the right person for this sort of show. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that they put that into the equation when coming
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I think the custing director looking for people literally willing
Speaker 2: to take rich beyond end the bow. If you're not
Speaker 2: willing to take ris, what's the point, then you're just
Speaker 2: going to be laying little under the radar all the time,
Speaker 2: not doing anything exactly bring real show.
Speaker 1: Would also just for people listening that pushing of the
Speaker 1: cookie over was a bridesmaid's reference. I'm sure that people. Oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, which I'm asking everyone, and
Speaker 1: that is when you left, not what you know now,
Speaker 1: but who did you think is going to be the winner?
Speaker 1: Like who did you pick to be the winner of
Speaker 1: this season?
Speaker 2: The scene is set now for a lot more drama
Speaker 2: than ever before than this because you know, now people
Speaker 2: are questioning George, questioning the girls, and then people are
Speaker 2: questioning the the mid Trail lions, you know, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So the scene is set for an
Speaker 2: incredible dynamics. You know. That's the and the way how
Speaker 2: I see it is maybe the best way to I
Speaker 2: answer that is this, right, you got the boys, uh,
Speaker 2: and I think they're going to cannibalize eachadow because when
Speaker 2: you have more than one alpha male, the competition is
Speaker 2: to do great that it's gonna and also what happened
Speaker 2: last night is the start of probably the end of
Speaker 2: our spice toiled allons because you know, trust is gone.
Speaker 2: And as far as Returneys first service, newbies with the
Speaker 2: Returneys are so intense going into the game, playing all
Speaker 2: the different gamanship and sometimes to walk something. It doesn't
Speaker 2: they're going to put it off eventually. So what's left
Speaker 2: would be the newbies. I'm hoping for the newbies to
Speaker 2: show how it's done. And so any of the newbies
Speaker 2: that last that role, yeah they deserve it.
Speaker 1: But can give me a name. You've got to give
Speaker 1: me a name, like I'll.
Speaker 2: Give me a name. I'll give you an name. Oh
Speaker 2: my goodness. You want to put it in all the bed?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Let's all the bed? I'm I mean, I'm good
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Davie, Yeah, all right, I might just go for I know,
Speaker 2: the old culture. Jerry, because he's he's always at the bottom,
Speaker 2: he's always in survival mode. And as time goes by
Speaker 2: he became more emboldened. He said, stuff, you Jack. You
Speaker 2: know you've quoted me out last time, you tried to
Speaker 2: get me off. So I'm going to be dirty now.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play your game. I hope, I hope
Speaker 2: you do that. You know, it's a nice or bugger.
Speaker 2: But I hope you've become really skinnish during nasty. All
Speaker 2: the things I taught him on the sideline, I hope
Speaker 2: you'll do all that and yeah, you know, go here
Speaker 2: we go. That's ten bucks on you. What do you want?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 2: Who you are you looking for?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I have so many at this point. But I mean
Speaker 1: that's kind of like I try it because I'm interviewing
Speaker 1: everyone not to be too you know, like not to
Speaker 1: buy into too many people or have too many favorites.
Speaker 1: I mean, as I said to you, I really enjoyed you.
Speaker 1: I love George, I even like Simon, and then you
Speaker 1: know Sean and Haley. Look, honestly, I really need to
Speaker 1: need to have a better think about it before I
Speaker 1: answer it at this time, because I think what you're
Speaker 1: alluding to before is the ship's about to hit the fan.
Speaker 1: So anything can.
Speaker 2: Happen exactly right, exactly can go any which way. But
Speaker 2: the dark sided Aborce is going to descend from this board,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Here for it, mate, I'm here for it. Who would
Speaker 1: you ever return? That's the question I'm asking everyone.
Speaker 2: Would you ever Well, highly unlikely, although I never said never,
Speaker 2: but highly unlikely. Finally, because I feel guilty. There's there's
Speaker 2: characters out there in the real world, people out there
Speaker 2: that can add amazing value to a strange survivor more
Speaker 2: than industry journeys.
Speaker 1: But we have immediate a love for people like you
Speaker 1: coming back, like the season kicks off. Really God that
Speaker 1: we don't have to take as much time to get
Speaker 1: used to everybody because we're already in love with Stevie
Speaker 1: or we're already in love with George. So there is
Speaker 1: a real value in bringing returnees back. And you know,
Speaker 1: like Survivor seems like crack cocaine or something because everyone
Speaker 1: goes back, like I can't imagine. Has there been any
Speaker 1: Do you know of anyone that was asked to come
Speaker 1: back that didn't come back?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Really, no, Okay, everybody wants to come back, But in
Speaker 2: all honesty, really I'm unlikely to come back because you know,
Speaker 2: like if it's my second goal next time, when I asked, yes,
Speaker 2: I'll do it, two is good, but three is probably
Speaker 2: odd for me.
Speaker 1: Well, there's some result issues. I think you've come back
Speaker 1: for Shawne's fourth season, you know which is you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, unresolved issues between you and Shawnee. So
Speaker 1: maybe the season will be called revenge.
Speaker 2: Well that's just if in four years time, not a
Speaker 2: four year's time, and it's called you know, viple, Vendetta
Speaker 2: or revenge or something like that. And Seanee and George
Speaker 2: in the mine. Yes, I mean it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you deserve the break, Pake, just go. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need some time away from the beach. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being so generous with your time and and
Speaker 1: unpacking experience.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Some great insights from Stevie. I think he has a point.
Speaker 1: And getting some more newbies and new stories sounds cool,
Speaker 1: but I also can't help but love these returnees. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Let's bring David into the podcast now. Yes, we will
Speaker 1: talk about those pinks beetles and plenty of insights into
Speaker 1: his game. Let's welcome David to the podcast. Hi David,
Speaker 1: what is it? Lamb? Backstrap?
Speaker 3: Yeah, backstrap. It's stuck actually quite a bit. So I've
Speaker 3: got Ben to thank for that.
Speaker 1: Well, he was on the podcast the other week and
Speaker 1: he was saying that it has stuck and that your
Speaker 1: friends and maybe your girlfriend everyone's now calling you backstrap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I must have told him just before he came on here.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: It's definitely sticking and copying a bit of flak for it,
Speaker 3: but that's great, Ben's He's created a weapon.
Speaker 1: Ben, And yeah, I love that you have a sense
Speaker 1: of humor with this. And I also will just say, ps,
Speaker 1: it is my favorite meat so.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 4: So I mean, YEA happy to provide good times and people.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the boys being named after a
Speaker 1: meet Trey? How flattering was that for you guys? I mean,
Speaker 1: did you guys like it or how did it land?
Speaker 4: I think Ben's a genius.
Speaker 3: He created that narrative around us, probably for potential later
Speaker 3: in the game to use that against us. I reckon
Speaker 3: and I think out there it was a genius move
Speaker 3: for him to kind of create all all the four
Speaker 3: boys together because then obviously, I don't know if you've known,
Speaker 3: like Jerry is now just stuck with it, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he causes the hierarchy and the four
Speaker 3: Boys and all that kind of thing when I'm off
Speaker 3: here working with Sam and Nina and Liz when at
Speaker 3: one stage and I'm not even working with Sean and
Speaker 3: Matt and all that kind of stuff at a certain points.
Speaker 4: So it was a genius move by him, because then.
Speaker 3: Certain people just stuck with it, and then, as I said,
Speaker 3: if Ben was there later in the game, he really
Speaker 3: could have used it against us.
Speaker 4: So I think it was genius for him.
Speaker 1: Some of those things work for us as an audience
Speaker 1: as well, like it helps us identify and talk about
Speaker 1: the show. So you know, I think he's like, he's
Speaker 1: a smart man, he's a TV writer. Kind of good
Speaker 1: to have him on board and on the beach to
Speaker 1: help with the writing of the show one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And he knew the narratives he were creating. I mean,
Speaker 3: he created a great one to get Shanne out that night,
Speaker 3: and he knew that he could well, I mean, Survive
Speaker 3: was about manipulating people.
Speaker 4: He knew he could manipulate people.
Speaker 3: That night for that vote to get what he wanted
Speaker 3: that night as a success.
Speaker 4: So credit to him.
Speaker 3: And that's what creates such great players out there that
Speaker 3: they use what they know in everyday life, which is Ben.
Speaker 4: He's a wordsmith, he's.
Speaker 3: A creative writer, and he can create storylines for himself.
Speaker 3: So there's certain people out there that can do that
Speaker 3: very well.
Speaker 1: How did you end up on a series like this?
Speaker 1: You know what attracted you to come on to Australian Survivor.
Speaker 4: I was a big fans as a kid.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember watching the very first season of Survivor.
Speaker 3: I think I was twelve back then, and just fell
Speaker 3: in love with it, just the challenge. Well, as a
Speaker 3: kid when he watched the challenges, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 3: could do that one day, and he look how fun
Speaker 3: they look and stuff like that. So that was always
Speaker 3: something that interested me. And then playing playing footage for
Speaker 3: so long and finishing up in twenty twenty one, it's
Speaker 3: kind of you're like, all right, what's next. What's a
Speaker 3: big challenge that I could do that's competitive, that can
Speaker 3: get the juices flowing and really test you as a person,
Speaker 3: because that's what footy does for so long, And once
Speaker 3: Survivor kind of came up as an opportunity, I jumped
Speaker 3: at it straight away, being such a fan when I
Speaker 3: was a kid and loving the concept and the game
Speaker 3: and the gameplay and that, and I knew straight away
Speaker 3: that I wanted that kind of thirst for competition and
Speaker 3: challenge and getting to do that out there and being
Speaker 3: able to play the game. It certainly lived up to
Speaker 3: expectations and even way beyond that of how good it
Speaker 3: actually is to get the opportunity to go out there
Speaker 3: and play.
Speaker 1: And then now, how do you rank yourself in terms
Speaker 1: of strategy compared to the other AFL players in the
Speaker 1: game's history.
Speaker 4: Well, and other people can kind of comment on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew going in that, So my strategy
Speaker 3: going in was I'd be physically strong as you're setting
Speaker 3: in the challenges, and I'd be very good socially.
Speaker 4: I'm a very social person.
Speaker 3: I love creating relationships and listening to people's stories, and
Speaker 3: I mean, I had a podcast in my own years ago,
Speaker 3: and I love that kind of connecting with people and
Speaker 3: finding out their story and information about them.
Speaker 4: So that for me was going to be very strong.
Speaker 3: And then I knew to get to myself to a
Speaker 3: point in the game where I felt comfortable and I've
Speaker 3: had some good relationships that I would then start being
Speaker 3: really strategic and trying to make some moves. And that
Speaker 3: was the whole thing with Sam and Nina and getting
Speaker 3: Liz on board to try and blindside Haley at that
Speaker 3: mutiny vote that that.
Speaker 4: Was kind of our probably welcome and opening party.
Speaker 3: So they're really into the game of strap play and
Speaker 3: that was our big move to go, hang on, we've
Speaker 3: arrived here. US four are really trying to make some
Speaker 3: moves in the game. And obviously it didn't work with
Speaker 3: the mutiny, but that was kind of always what I
Speaker 3: wanted to do. I knew George going in Flick Hailey
Speaker 3: very strong Shawanee, very strong Strap players, and that I
Speaker 3: didn't want to come in try and compete with them
Speaker 3: straight away and played too hard in that regard because
Speaker 3: I could just fall on the wayside and I wanted
Speaker 3: to get to a point in the game where I
Speaker 3: felt comfortable to then. So that was definitely my plan
Speaker 3: going in, and it got me to the point where
Speaker 3: I made merge and tried to make a great, big
Speaker 3: play and it just didn't work out.
Speaker 4: So that was, Yeah, that was how I saw it.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get a little bit more into the demise
Speaker 1: in a little bit, but I just also wanted to
Speaker 1: ask about, you know, the conditions to me for you
Speaker 1: seemed wild. I don't know whether this is right or wrong,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's my maybe I was looking at you
Speaker 1: more than anyone else, assume me, But I just thought,
Speaker 1: what was the hardest thing about living on the beach
Speaker 1: for you, because you looked like you sort of took
Speaker 1: it pretty hard by the time it was all over.
Speaker 3: I mean I might have looked like that in terms
Speaker 3: of like I was skinny and thin and stuff, but
Speaker 3: I loved.
Speaker 4: Every single element of it.
Speaker 3: I mean there were nights out there it's probably two
Speaker 3: am in the morning and it's freezing.
Speaker 4: Cold, and we're huddled back to back and we're trying
Speaker 4: to stay at the rain. I loved it. I embraced
Speaker 4: every single challenge out there. I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 3: It's such an unique experience that you never get anywhere
Speaker 3: else in the world that I enjoyed and had to
Speaker 3: smile on my face every day waking up.
Speaker 4: I'm someone that.
Speaker 3: Loses weight very very quickly and easily and need food
Speaker 3: for to sustain it. So it might have looked like that,
Speaker 3: but mentally I was waking up every day absolutely loving it,
Speaker 3: loving the challenge. Nothing ever, was ever too kind of
Speaker 3: hard for me out in terms of like the physical,
Speaker 3: the emotional, the emotional, the mental challenge of the elements
Speaker 3: and survivor and Samoa and the rain and the cold
Speaker 3: and all that.
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you're like you know, just
Speaker 1: losing weight comes easy to me.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm just a skinny person at hearts.
Speaker 4: I kind of yeah.
Speaker 3: Obviously, playing footing and working out for so long you
Speaker 3: kind of developed that body. But for me, it's like
Speaker 3: if I stopped doing any of that stuff, I just
Speaker 3: go skinny straight away.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's ever really a body type that suits survivor.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you just see different ages, different
Speaker 1: people you know, doing well in this show. So I
Speaker 1: don't think that you can ever aim to be a
Speaker 1: certain type of you know, physique or anything before going
Speaker 1: into the show, because that's only one part of it.
Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent right, And that's what kind of
Speaker 3: frustrates you a little bit when people go, oh, your
Speaker 3: big guys with physical threats will do well, and then
Speaker 3: you're gone, and it's like because your threats, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: hang on a sec.
Speaker 4: Later in the game, it comes down to balance endurance.
Speaker 3: You might have a puzzle, whatever it is, and you
Speaker 3: find kind of smaller people with balancing and holding things
Speaker 3: and standing on themes and all that, they're the ones
Speaker 3: that thrive later in the game. So early on, yeah,
Speaker 3: when you've got obstacle courses and challenges with tribes. At
Speaker 3: the first part of tribal it's like, yeah, they're the
Speaker 3: ones that maybe big, stronger players dominate, But later in
Speaker 3: the game, other players dominate way more than just big
Speaker 3: strong people and they become more threats. So the best
Speaker 3: thing about Survivors it does challenge you in terms of
Speaker 3: your mental with your memory, with challenging, with figure out puzzles,
Speaker 3: but also physically with strength, with endurance, with balance, with agility.
Speaker 3: So that's why I love the game of Survivor because
Speaker 3: it challenges you in so many different ways. But kind
Speaker 3: of the narrative is that, oh, well, if you're strong,
Speaker 3: you're a threat.
Speaker 4: Well hang on a sec.
Speaker 3: But later in the game, when you make merge or
Speaker 3: if you make merge, you get the advantage if you're
Speaker 3: a small player, and in kind of that regard, because
Speaker 3: that's when you can really thrive in those challenges.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be as smutty as this sounds,
Speaker 1: by the way, but I just need to ask this
Speaker 1: question because a brave man wears speedos all the time
Speaker 1: on a reality show. I'm just going to say this,
Speaker 1: I mean, how did this is the other question happen
Speaker 1: how did you pick that pair? Was there a point
Speaker 1: where you will look at different options and you know,
Speaker 1: is there a point where maybe contestants get told maybe
Speaker 1: you need to wear board shorts? Like, how does that
Speaker 1: all happen? How does it all go down?
Speaker 3: Well, obviously we don't wear any big branded clothing, so
Speaker 3: I couldn't wear well, I don't know if we're going
Speaker 3: to say the company I couldn't wear.
Speaker 1: You can say that here, that's fine, you can say
Speaker 1: you couldn't Budge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Budgie Smigglers, which playing footy.
Speaker 3: For fifteen years, we always wear Budge Smigglers for recovery
Speaker 3: going on the beach.
Speaker 4: Well, that's on very comfortable in budgies and wearing that.
Speaker 3: It's just how I always worn in the pool or
Speaker 3: in the ocean whatever. So going on reality TV, I'm
Speaker 3: just being myself. I'm wearing Budgies and that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they had.
Speaker 3: To be just played and obviously I just chose pink
Speaker 3: as a nice bright color to wear out there rather
Speaker 3: than just plain black. And yeah, so they weren't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love Simon had a really cool purple pair. Obviously
Speaker 3: he was on the Villains and he kind of developed
Speaker 3: and design a really cool pair. So if I ever
Speaker 3: had another opportunity to go in again and I knew
Speaker 3: the kind of the theme going in, I would definitely
Speaker 3: maybe kind of manufacture a pair that kind of looked
Speaker 3: like like what Simon's was, like, something to do with
Speaker 3: what he was he was going in at, So that
Speaker 3: would be definitely something different I would. But I'm definitely
Speaker 3: not changing to boardies over budgies. I absolutely love budgies.
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing you with your partner beforehand, you know,
Speaker 1: with the whole string of bikini men's bikini where having
Speaker 1: to work out what to wear and well, this one
Speaker 1: looks good, you know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we certainly did do that.
Speaker 3: We're looking online and I was looking through and the red,
Speaker 3: there was blue, there was pink and black, and she said, no,
Speaker 3: let's go the pig.
Speaker 1: Well the ratings went up. Anyway, We've got to move
Speaker 1: away from this before people come for me. They'll be like, Ben,
Speaker 1: you're disgusting, horrible man asking it speedos. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's people out there that would wanted to know that.
Speaker 1: You know how that all came together. Last night's challenge
Speaker 1: had Australia gasping for air. You know, what was that
Speaker 1: like in real life? And was there ever a part
Speaker 1: of your mind thinking I could drown here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just mentally. Physically you're just there holding bars
Speaker 3: and it's fine. It's I mean, it wasn't actually cold
Speaker 3: or I think it was just nice in the water there,
Speaker 3: but the mental side of holding bars waiting for the
Speaker 3: tide to come in. I think I got out maybe
Speaker 3: the fifty minute mark, iming to be honest, it felt
Speaker 3: like ten minutes. I did not realize that fifty minutes
Speaker 3: had went past. It was so quick as you're so
Speaker 3: focused on a wave coming in, going all right, a
Speaker 3: wave will come in, I won't get air. I wait
Speaker 3: for the trough of the wave and then I'll be
Speaker 3: able to breathe. And you're kind of going through that
Speaker 3: three minds, so it goes really quickly. But once you
Speaker 3: realize that the tides come in to a certain point
Speaker 3: that you're going to be really struggling to breathe, you
Speaker 3: kind of don't know whether your next breath in will
Speaker 3: be water or air, and that's where people panic a lot.
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that when I came up that
Speaker 3: it was only two other people remaining, and I kind
Speaker 3: of felt like I could have pushed myself a little
Speaker 3: bit further to get to the real panic point. And
Speaker 3: that's obviously the uniqueness about that challenges. In other challenges,
Speaker 3: you kind of know if certain other people are in,
Speaker 3: if you're holding something and you look at your left
Speaker 3: or right and see the people are into, you might
Speaker 3: try and get another couple of minutes out of yourself.
Speaker 4: And that's hard about that challenge.
Speaker 3: It's mentally you've got to push yourself to the nth
Speaker 3: degree if you want to win. And I actually that's
Speaker 3: one thing I regret. I don't feel like I went
Speaker 3: to the point where I was so either exhausted or
Speaker 3: full of water in my mouth or on my arms
Speaker 3: where I was coughing up everything that I feel like
Speaker 3: I could have gone a bit further.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. You felt that way, because
Speaker 1: you felt that way. You know, we all think that
Speaker 1: Sunday Morning quarterbacking. Is what I always say on these
Speaker 1: chats with reality TV contestants. You can never really look
Speaker 1: back and say I could have done something differently, because
Speaker 1: it is just what it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred pcent Right out there, I was like oh,
Speaker 4: water's coming in my mouth.
Speaker 1: I would have been gone, George. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw online last night, but George put up and
Speaker 1: said that, you know, he did something like ten minutes
Speaker 1: and when he came out, he thought he'd been there
Speaker 1: for five hours, and he thought he had the immunity
Speaker 1: bracelet like community nelace like. You know, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: go through that differently.
Speaker 4: I guess, well that's the thing. For me fifty minutes
Speaker 4: about like ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I couldn't believe when Jarp said fifteen minutes when
Speaker 3: I got there, and just it was so quick for me.
Speaker 1: Well, you made this male strong alliance, you know, which
Speaker 1: looked rock solid, and we kind of touched on this
Speaker 1: a little bit before. But are you seeing a different
Speaker 1: side to that now watching it back?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean obviously when you're on there, I mean it's
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day. For I was there for
Speaker 3: twenty nine days, and there's so much that can only
Speaker 3: get put into a ninety minute episode for.
Speaker 4: Each couple of days.
Speaker 3: So you understand that things will get put in there,
Speaker 3: things get missed out, and that kind of the four
Speaker 3: boys kind of narrative started, And I mean Jerry stuck
Speaker 3: with it the whole time that the four boys and
Speaker 3: four boys and four boys, and it's like it wasn't
Speaker 3: really that lay. I had a great relationship with Nina.
Speaker 3: Nina was my number one out there with in terms
Speaker 3: of strategy. Sam was my number one in terms of
Speaker 3: just matship and we're like best mates now outside and
Speaker 3: I absolutely love him. And Nina was one that like,
Speaker 3: every every minute of every day, we were basically talking
Speaker 3: strategy with each other, and she was my number one
Speaker 3: out there, and it kind of it gets frustrated when
Speaker 3: everyone's just like, oh, the alpha boys. And I put
Speaker 3: on my Instagram last week saying like, no Alpha here,
Speaker 3: because I didn't feel like out there I was an alpha.
Speaker 3: It was just it was created that way as a
Speaker 3: narrative out there, and then it's just frustrating that that
Speaker 3: kind of just sticks. And I was working with Nina
Speaker 3: for most of the game on stratchat what can we do,
Speaker 3: what can we do next row?
Speaker 4: Do we target? All that kind of stuff. So, but
Speaker 4: that comes with the territory.
Speaker 3: Like you said, you're on a reality show, it's you're
Speaker 3: playing a game that's two things.
Speaker 4: You're playing. The survivors a game.
Speaker 3: You're playing the Survivors a TV show, so things are
Speaker 3: going to get shown and things aren't.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: I think that we're in drastic need of redefining the
Speaker 1: term alpha because I mean we do think alpha male,
Speaker 1: and we have connotations of that. But I think in
Speaker 1: some of these social experiments that we see on reality television,
Speaker 1: you know, the alpha can be female, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: and some of the connotations have been for male I
Speaker 1: think these days, and rightfully so being slightly diluted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how they kind of looked like it was just oh,
Speaker 3: the four boys, the four boys, the four boys, and
Speaker 3: it was like it was frustrating, is my game wasn't
Speaker 3: based around the four boys, and that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: what the thing. Just looking back, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I actually had really strong relationships with some other people.
Speaker 1: So well, Matt seemed like he flipped out of his
Speaker 1: alliance because of destiny. It seemed like it was because
Speaker 1: of destiny where Sere looks like that he always had
Speaker 1: one foot out the door, you know, ready to step
Speaker 1: out of that male alliance. How do you see that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I was kind of in that
Speaker 4: mode too.
Speaker 3: I mean, the reason why I joined up with Nina
Speaker 3: and Sam and Liz was because I was ready to
Speaker 3: go work with Shawnee and George if that Hailey blindside
Speaker 3: had happened, I was willing to go straight across with
Speaker 3: Nina and Sam across there. So Sean was probably doing
Speaker 3: the same thing. He was trying to set up his game.
Speaker 3: He wanted there as a shield, which we've seen to
Speaker 3: then try and work his way into into the mold
Speaker 3: that way, whether in his game. But I think Sean
Speaker 3: and I were kind of always ones that we connected early,
Speaker 3: and it was kind of we were talking to each
Speaker 3: other about what we could do at certain points in
Speaker 3: the game. And whether he was setting it up to
Speaker 3: branch himself off, that's fine because that's just survivor. Matt
Speaker 3: was one that I thought, you, like you said, was
Speaker 3: a surprise that he flipped, But I was definitely ready
Speaker 3: to branch off from that, and that's the whole reason
Speaker 3: why I joined up with Liz and Nina to do that.
Speaker 3: We were ready to make a move and kind of
Speaker 3: blow up that whole stick around us four boys.
Speaker 1: Well, the tides can turn very quickly on Australian Survivor,
Speaker 1: you know, and had Liz not really suspected the plan.
Speaker 1: You know, had she not have given that idol to Shane,
Speaker 1: I think the Knight would have played out, you know,
Speaker 1: quite differently for you.
Speaker 3: Matt and Haley both flipped on us, So information must
Speaker 3: have been fed back at some point that the votes
Speaker 3: were on Shining because those two flipped on us.
Speaker 4: So I wonder if if that was the case. I mean,
Speaker 4: we'll never know.
Speaker 1: Yes we will, because we'll hunt them down and we'll
Speaker 1: make them tell us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they can make and stay at one point,
Speaker 3: whether they told them that our inside information that we
Speaker 3: were going on Shannie. So I still kind of wanted
Speaker 3: to potentially have that if I survived last night'spot the
Speaker 3: flushing Lizer's idol, but telling her to play it on Shannie, I.
Speaker 4: Kind of still wanted to work with her a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know whether she was fully over with George,
Speaker 3: and you kind of questioned and second guess that when
Speaker 3: you're out there, you don't kind of fully know until
Speaker 3: obviously you watch it back.
Speaker 4: It's very easy.
Speaker 3: But in that moment, I didn't know because Liz and
Speaker 3: I four days earlier, I had a great plan and
Speaker 3: we were working together.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to know how much you guys
Speaker 1: had suspected Hayley's ongoing alliance with George. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were coordinating conversations throughout the whole series since the start,
Speaker 1: with all of those challenges. You know, they were passing
Speaker 1: information back and forward. Were they getting away with that?
Speaker 1: I mean, was that really being gotten away with? Like
Speaker 1: had you seen any of that kind of communication going on?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you see it in stibits, But also while they're communicating,
Speaker 7: you're trying to find someone to communicate with too, So
Speaker 7: like in that one stage, I was hugging Flicking to
Speaker 7: a point.
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds at that time when I'm I was telling
Speaker 3: Flick about the idol and passing the idol, And so
Speaker 3: in that moment, I can't look at any other conversations
Speaker 3: because I'm so thrilled in mine, and it's difficult. Like
Speaker 3: I'd give Hailey credit. Haley played it very well. Looking
Speaker 3: back now, it's easy to go she was over selling it.
Speaker 3: But for us at camp, Hailey was telling us a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't want to work with George. I can't play
Speaker 3: with George.
Speaker 4: I want to get him out.
Speaker 3: All this kind of stuff, and she was very much
Speaker 3: selling the fact that she just wouldn't want to work
Speaker 3: with him, and watching back now and thinking about it,
Speaker 3: you're like, hang on, she was just way overselling that,
Speaker 3: and I should have really questioned that relationship and that dynamic,
Speaker 3: because yeah, you're like, hang on, she told us like
Speaker 3: ten days in a row. It's like, well, you're really
Speaker 3: trying to sell it to her. So I think if
Speaker 3: I went in again and ever played it again, I
Speaker 3: would really try and trust my gut and really second
Speaker 3: guess what people are.
Speaker 4: Saying to me.
Speaker 3: And because at moments in the game, I really thought
Speaker 3: things were happening that in the end were happening, but
Speaker 3: I didn't trust my gut and go after it. And
Speaker 3: that was kind of one of them where I was like,
Speaker 3: hang on, Hailey's doing this. I think there might be
Speaker 3: something there, But really I just kind of accepted what
Speaker 3: she was saying for face vality.
Speaker 1: It's so easy to do though. Actually, the other thing
Speaker 1: I was going to say, Simon, you know, such a
Speaker 1: big player and so many people talking about him as
Speaker 1: the series goes on. You know, he's kind of like
Speaker 1: the likable doofers. If you ask me, what do you
Speaker 1: think is going to happen for him. I mean, how
Speaker 1: is he going to stand up and move beyond you know,
Speaker 1: his position that he's in now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love Simon. He's a great person.
Speaker 3: You're kind of write in that regard to me, That's
Speaker 3: how I would describe as one of those mates you
Speaker 3: have that you absolutely love, but that every now and
Speaker 3: then they just make mistakes and you're just like, you
Speaker 3: just shake your head and you're like, mate, what are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 4: Like why are doing that?
Speaker 3: He's that type person you've always finds himself in situations
Speaker 3: that are detrimental to him. I love it, but he's
Speaker 3: got great intentions. It's like it's oh, you just you
Speaker 3: kind of get frustrated. But he's always going to be
Speaker 3: a great mate, that kind of that kind of person.
Speaker 3: So he just always finds himself in a difficult situation.
Speaker 3: And as I said, I love him. He plays with
Speaker 3: his heart on his sleeve. He's a very emotional person.
Speaker 4: He makes moves and.
Speaker 3: They might backfar against him, and somehow he's lasted this
Speaker 3: long in the game by being kind of on that
Speaker 3: bottom for a fair while. So you have to give
Speaker 3: him credit for that is who he is. You know
Speaker 3: who is, and I really enjoy him. Some people don't
Speaker 3: like him.
Speaker 4: Love him. I love him.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed like I just when he makes
Speaker 1: the stupid mistakes, I hit my head, I smacked the television.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm rooting for him. And when I say, Deputy,
Speaker 1: do for this, I'm not saying that in a negative way.
Speaker 1: I just kind of you know, it's that Barney fire
Speaker 1: fish kind of role that he plays that almost makes
Speaker 1: him more likable. Anyway, we're running out of time. I
Speaker 1: need to ask you these last two quick questions. Who
Speaker 1: do you think is going to win? Not what you
Speaker 1: know now, but when you left the tribal council, who
Speaker 1: did you think is going to take this competition out.
Speaker 3: George is obviously playing the best game at the moment,
Speaker 3: but usually they strong players, no one wants to take
Speaker 3: him to the final three, So I don't think georgiall win.
Speaker 3: Liza's building, like you said, a strong resume. Nita is
Speaker 3: very strategic that I think she's She's a strong strap player,
Speaker 3: and I think she's slowly building as it's going on too.
Speaker 3: So out of those two could could win, depends what
Speaker 3: kind of Sean does from here, whether he kind of
Speaker 3: turns villainous and keeps himself in the game, he's got
Speaker 3: the idol up his sleeve, that could be a great
Speaker 3: play for him. So he's one of them. So maybe
Speaker 3: one of those three could probably win. I don't think
Speaker 3: George because he's no one want to take him to
Speaker 3: the final tribal.
Speaker 1: I've been asking everyone this and it's been really quite interesting.
Speaker 1: Would you ever return to the show, and have you
Speaker 1: thought about the possibility of what kind of a theme
Speaker 1: would work for you?
Speaker 3: Without a doubt one hundred percent, I would go back
Speaker 3: on like you could ask me, and I would say
Speaker 3: yes before you even finished asking the question. I absolutely
Speaker 3: loved it out there. I can't even talk about how
Speaker 3: much I would love to go back on there. It's
Speaker 3: it's such a good experience out there.
Speaker 4: I would I.
Speaker 3: Would be a little bit more ruthless, but not to
Speaker 3: the point where I'm detrimental to my game. I know
Speaker 3: my strengths and I know where where I don't want
Speaker 3: to kind of put my shoot myself in the foot.
Speaker 3: So I would love to go back out there and
Speaker 3: play it and do that. And I forgot your said question,
Speaker 3: what you're.
Speaker 1: Saying, well, I mean what is the theme, and I
Speaker 1: mean they're running out of time, so I feel like
Speaker 1: I can give you an option the theme. It would
Speaker 1: be AFL versus and AFL versus n RL. Yeah you
Speaker 1: can tell that I'm from Victoria anyway, AFL versus NRL.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, whatever the theme would be, I'd love
Speaker 3: to be out there.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't care what it is. I'd just love to
Speaker 4: play again.
Speaker 3: It's seriously one of the best experiences you can have
Speaker 3: in the world, and obviously not many people get to
Speaker 3: experience it, and I will do it again to heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being so generous with your
Speaker 1: time and unpacking this. It's just been so amazing to
Speaker 1: chat with you. And if you want to raise some
Speaker 1: money for charity, I'm pretty sure you can put those
Speaker 1: pink speeders online.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing I'm doing Laps for Life for our march,
Speaker 3: so the speedos will be on in the pool.
Speaker 4: So you've seen a bit more of that.
Speaker 1: How do people how could people support you with that? Like,
Speaker 1: how do we.
Speaker 4: Apps for Life? I'm on there.
Speaker 3: It's for youth suicide and mental health. So starting tomorrow
Speaker 3: in March one so I'm going to be putting on
Speaker 3: my Instagram tomorrow as of tomorrow linked to help donate.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good cause, you're a good man, and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate, really appreciate the chat.
Speaker 4: No, thank you so much. Ben.
Speaker 1: As you can tell, I absolutely love David. I think
Speaker 1: he is such a lovely guy. Finally, I have Flick
Speaker 1: here to talk about her return to the franchise, and
Speaker 1: you will also find out how close Flick really is
Speaker 1: to George and Hayley in real life. So let's get
Speaker 1: into this. Let's bring her in now. I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoy this chat with Flick. Hi, Flick, how are you?
Speaker 6: I'm good? Thank you?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. Survivor again, we need to stop
Speaker 1: meeting like this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, Survivor around two. Here we are back for
Speaker 5: some more suffering slash fun times.
Speaker 1: One of these two experiences compare, I mean from watching
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched both, and they seem like they've
Speaker 1: gone down quite differently. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, obviously, my first time playing I did pretty amazing
Speaker 5: considering the circumstances, making it all the way through to
Speaker 5: the end, and then this time, Look didn't make it
Speaker 5: as far, but we still made merged.
Speaker 6: We're on the jury so cut, there's nothing to be
Speaker 6: scoffed about.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm still pretty proud of my proud of how
Speaker 5: I played, and yeah, super grateful to get the opportunity
Speaker 5: to come back and play a second time.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that the production team was so good
Speaker 1: with you with what happened last time, and then with
Speaker 1: Survive you get different production teams. Do the experiences feel
Speaker 1: different because there was different crews?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we also had a few crew from that
Speaker 5: same season working with Hero vivilin season and you know,
Speaker 5: so there is familiar faces there, but yeah, they're there
Speaker 5: to do their job and obviously considering the circumstances when
Speaker 5: you lose your mum on a filming a reality TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they were just incredible, Like, you know, they did the
Speaker 5: most just to make sure that I was okay. But
Speaker 5: to be honest, I was really looking forward to coming
Speaker 5: back and it being just the survivor experience this time
Speaker 5: round and where I didn't have to worry about that
Speaker 5: and it wasn't on the back of my mind because
Speaker 5: you know that first time playing, I literally was just
Speaker 5: putting one foot in front of the other. End, just
Speaker 5: you know, waking up each day like.
Speaker 6: Okay, another day, like let's see how we can get
Speaker 6: through this one.
Speaker 5: Whereas this time round, like I was just there to
Speaker 5: play the game, like and I was so excited to
Speaker 5: play on a beach in Samoa, you know, being a surfer,
Speaker 5: that's just like the best place in the world for me.
Speaker 5: So yeah, no, I I was actually very excited for
Speaker 5: it just to be the survivor experience.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, you know you mentioned there about those conditions
Speaker 1: and that you want to go to Samoa. How different
Speaker 1: were they? I mean, was one climate more manageable than
Speaker 1: the other?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the outpack was a lot easier in terms of climate,
Speaker 5: like it was. You know, it's still really hard and
Speaker 5: they both have their challenges. But Samoa, man, that rain wow,
Speaker 5: Like it's I think it's probably one of the greenest
Speaker 5: places on Earth. I remember once once we learn on
Speaker 5: that beach and you just see how green everything is.
Speaker 5: And I've done a lot of traveling to tropical islands
Speaker 5: over my time, like that's where some of the best
Speaker 5: and the world is. And I've seen green islands, but
Speaker 5: let me tell you, I haven't seen an island as
Speaker 5: green as smoller and that means one thing.
Speaker 6: That means a lot of rain, and those.
Speaker 5: Cars like, oh and literally, you know, day one rains,
Speaker 5: day two rains, fast water, day thirty something. Rain every
Speaker 5: single day, like every day, and it's just to the
Speaker 5: point where it's a bit demoralizing, like everything's wet, everything stinks,
Speaker 5: everything's damp, nothing properly dries. The sun comes out for
Speaker 5: a bit and you're all like lizards, like going to
Speaker 5: the rocks in the ocean and just trying to soak.
Speaker 6: Up whatever you can.
Speaker 5: But you know, as soon as it rains at night,
Speaker 5: like you try and waterproof that shelter, and even with
Speaker 5: a tarp, like the tarp doesn't fit over the whole shelter,
Speaker 5: so there's not like enough room for everyone to be
Speaker 5: under that tarp, and you know it's not waterproof, and
Speaker 5: it's just it's almost like a form of like slow
Speaker 5: torture just having all these drips like on your head.
Speaker 6: And you know, so out back was hard.
Speaker 5: We had forty five degree days and then like six
Speaker 5: to green nights, like I was freezing in the outback
Speaker 5: but at night time. But yeah, it was just almost
Speaker 5: think get rained for thirty seconds in the outback and
Speaker 5: we were all like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 5: worst thing ever. And then fast forward to Samhara and
Speaker 5: it rained every day and.
Speaker 1: Your skin is rotting and you feel like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: are the mold.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, I was going to ask you as well,
Speaker 1: off the back of something we were just talking about before.
Speaker 1: You know, had you been thinking that you would return
Speaker 1: to Survivor in between these seasons? Because I thought that
Speaker 1: when I spoke to you last time, I saw you
Speaker 1: returning to the show more than I saw Haley and
Speaker 1: George returning. Had you been thinking, Okay, this is going
Speaker 1: to happen, and what has that journey been like in
Speaker 1: your head in between seasons?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I did think that there would be a chance, obviously,
Speaker 5: with the circumstances and the story and that everything that happened,
Speaker 5: and you know, I guess the resilience that I showed
Speaker 5: and also what you said, you know, my experience was
Speaker 5: tainted in a way that I didn't properly get the
Speaker 5: Survivor experience I wanted. You know, I was thinking that
Speaker 5: they would be that chance. I just never thought it
Speaker 5: would come aroun round so soon. It was literally like
Speaker 5: thirteen months I think in between playing, so like a
Speaker 5: year and a month, you know, and I wow, I
Speaker 5: just I didn't think it would come around so soon.
Speaker 5: And when it did, you know, I was like, okay, wow,
Speaker 5: Like I was instantly it was a yes, because like
Speaker 5: I just felt like, yeah, I didn't get that proper
Speaker 5: survivor experience the first time I played.
Speaker 6: I didn't have to think about it too long.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough for you, you're one of the people that and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about gameplay here, you're one of the people
Speaker 1: who I wonder if returning works because you know, people
Speaker 1: seemed very dubious of your social game. It's like Flick,
Speaker 1: Oh she's got the social game, you know, where the
Speaker 1: first time around, you know, you people like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love Flick and I'll trust her, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't really see. Yes, a different side.
Speaker 5: To that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And like, but
Speaker 5: the thing is is, like, look, I don't want to
Speaker 5: sound like I'm suiting my own horn here, but I
Speaker 5: just do get along with a lot of people, like
Speaker 5: I think, and that comes back to what I do
Speaker 5: as a job. You know, I've been traveling the world
Speaker 5: since I've been sixteen years old, and I guess like
Speaker 5: student of the world, Like, you know, you've got to
Speaker 5: grow up pretty quickly the road you get and you
Speaker 5: learn to communicate with anyone and have conversations with anyone
Speaker 5: of all different backgrounds and ages. And you know, networking
Speaker 5: is a lot of what I do as well, and
Speaker 5: I really enjoy it. And I think that And George
Speaker 5: kept saying it in tribal counsels and like some of
Speaker 5: it did make it to air and some didn't. But
Speaker 5: like he's like, you are literally the best social player
Speaker 5: I've seen, like and it's not coming like for me.
Speaker 5: When you say social player, it sounds as if it's
Speaker 5: manipulative and strategic, but it's not. It's literally me just
Speaker 5: being me. But I just get along with everyone. I'm
Speaker 5: genuinely interested in everybody.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I ask good questions and I guess that's you know,
Speaker 5: that's why I probably stayed in contact with so many
Speaker 5: of these people, because like we are really good friends postseason, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, And I think that that's very truman. I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you that about what is it
Speaker 1: that makes someone a good a good communicator? And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess you're kind of explaining that there. But I
Speaker 1: just you can't see everything that happens on the beach.
Speaker 1: No I see those conversations.
Speaker 6: No, I think, so I'll just jump in quickly.
Speaker 5: But when you place that's such a social game, that's
Speaker 5: really hard to translate on TV, because how on earth
Speaker 5: are they going to sit through like hours and hours
Speaker 5: of all the time that I put to all these
Speaker 5: different people and all the different conversations that I had,
Speaker 5: Like it's impossible.
Speaker 6: So like that's why I feel.
Speaker 5: Like sometimes, but it is a strategy to some degree,
Speaker 5: it's just not as like cut throat as maybe George
Speaker 5: or the strategy that he employs, because that's really easy
Speaker 5: storytelling to tell on screen, you know, whereas hours and
Speaker 5: hours put into conversations is hard to translate into the edit.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't. You've got a very similar face in
Speaker 1: some ways to a friend of mine. You don't look
Speaker 1: the same, but you have very similar mannerisms. And she's
Speaker 1: a very social person. And so when I look at
Speaker 1: you always, I always just think of her by association.
Speaker 1: I just am like, oh my god, I love Flick.
Speaker 1: She's so lovely. And then when you hear people talk
Speaker 1: about you differently and of course, you know, audiences are
Speaker 1: going to have different relationships with different people. I'm very
Speaker 1: defensive of you because I can see that warmth, I
Speaker 1: can see that kindness, I can see your ability to
Speaker 1: empathize and engage with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, of course people look George and Shawnee and Liz.
Speaker 5: Obviously they have this little trio, you know, and like
Speaker 5: Shannie is like she's this is her.
Speaker 6: Third time playing, She's been on the screens for a
Speaker 6: long time.
Speaker 5: So the moment anyone goes against her, the audience is
Speaker 5: going to be like, how dare you?
Speaker 6: But the thing is, the way I see it is like,
Speaker 6: hang on a second.
Speaker 5: You know, Shoanny and Liz have big threats in this game,
Speaker 5: and so is George, and if we can somehow break
Speaker 5: that up, let's do it. So that was my thinking
Speaker 5: to that. And I guess, like I got stuck in
Speaker 5: a really precarious position tribes. What was terrible for me.
Speaker 5: I played ten days groveling my ass off, doing whatever
Speaker 5: I could to stay in that game, making, you know,
Speaker 5: making just saying whatever I could to get through. And
Speaker 5: I guess, like, yes, exactly, thin air basically, and I
Speaker 5: got through the skin of my teeth.
Speaker 6: I made it to Merge.
Speaker 5: I was look, I got stuck between her rock and
Speaker 5: a hard place, Like I was literally damned if I
Speaker 5: didn't damned if I didn't, if I went with Shonnie,
Speaker 5: Georgia Liz, I would have pissed off my original alliance
Speaker 5: with the boys and Nina and Hailey, like who I
Speaker 5: had spent eighteen days with on the original heroes, we didn't.
Speaker 5: Keep in mind, we didn't go to tribal council that much,
Speaker 5: which means that like we didn't have like fiery tribal
Speaker 5: counsels like what the villains did. So these relationships I
Speaker 5: had with these people were like really solid. And Sean
Speaker 5: is like my secret number one out there, like we
Speaker 5: were with each other's number one, and I just felt like.
Speaker 6: I couldn't turn my back on him, you know.
Speaker 5: And and the thing is is the edit makes you
Speaker 5: seem like, oh, flick, how could you be so dumb?
Speaker 5: And how could you do that? But like with the
Speaker 5: information that I knew and the perception of reality that
Speaker 5: I had out there, I thought we had the numbers.
Speaker 5: So that's why I made the decision I did, you know,
Speaker 5: And obviously looking bad hindsight's twenty twenty and like, yeah.
Speaker 6: I should have stayed with George, Shannie and Liz.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, like you know,
Speaker 5: these are big players, like and you know, having two
Speaker 5: people play so closely together like Shonnie and Liz, that's
Speaker 5: a massive threat. So that my thinking was, as if
Speaker 5: we do have the numbers, which I thought we did,
Speaker 5: let's go for one of them.
Speaker 1: I just wonder whether or not the nickname is right
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, I love the Spice Girls.
Speaker 1: I love that for them, And then now I'm like,
Speaker 1: are they the Spices girls? Are they the mean girls?
Speaker 1: Like George is kind of like Regina George rightfully, so.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 5: Maybe in the no, look, I wouldn't say they're the
Speaker 5: mean girls. I mean, there's a bit of sassiness going on,
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, everyone's there just
Speaker 5: to play a game. And you know, like I am great,
Speaker 5: great friends with everyone, Like I don't hold grudges, and
Speaker 5: like I'm sure that they can realize and I know
Speaker 5: they do.
Speaker 6: We've already had conversations about it.
Speaker 5: But like everyone knows that it's just gameplay, and like
Speaker 5: you just do whatever you can to get through, and like,
Speaker 5: I play Survivor to have fun and I'm not there
Speaker 5: to like make.
Speaker 6: Mortal enemies and keep grudges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, why would I be doing that to myself?
Speaker 1: You know, why would I carry that baggage out of
Speaker 1: there when I went in there with no baggage at all?
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, though, you know, because you've
Speaker 1: been on a series with George and Haley and there's
Speaker 1: history there, I wanted to know what your relationship had
Speaker 1: been like between the two experiences, because you know, watching
Speaker 1: from the outside, it looks like, you know, Haley and
Speaker 1: George have been quite close. Have you been involved in that? Click?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's quite funny. We spent forty seven days
Speaker 5: together in the outback. We did every single challenge together
Speaker 5: that was possible. And since the show finished, Australia was
Speaker 5: in lockdown and Hailey was actually living in Sydney at
Speaker 5: the time and George lives in Sydney, so they got
Speaker 5: the chance to like catch up and be together, whereas
Speaker 5: I was stuck in West Australia. We had this super
Speaker 5: hard border up and I couldn't leave, and with what
Speaker 5: I do. I'm traveling and as soon as the border
Speaker 5: did kind of loosen up a bit my career, you know,
Speaker 5: big wave surface. So I'm traveling the world like chasing
Speaker 5: these big waves like I and my schedule was really busy,
Speaker 5: like I just couldn't find the time. But however, Hailey
Speaker 5: and George and I all stay in contact. And yet
Speaker 5: it looks like if you just take social media, like
Speaker 5: the base of social media, that George and Hailey have
Speaker 5: spent a lot more time together about Haley and I
Speaker 5: talk on the phone all the time. We're catching up.
Speaker 5: You know, we're going to each other's weddings.
Speaker 6: Like we're close, So George and I.
Speaker 5: And it's funny because George and I don't play together
Speaker 5: like in the game, but we're like brother and sister.
Speaker 5: We banter, we fight, we call each other up, like
Speaker 5: I honestly like think of him like a brother. And Hailey,
Speaker 5: you know, we've got a lot we've always got along.
Speaker 6: So Haley and I actually when we landed on that.
Speaker 5: Beach, we had like this thing we wanted to keep
Speaker 5: our relationship with a bit of a secret, and I
Speaker 5: basically planned to the thing of oh no, we've never
Speaker 5: hung out once ever before, and like we're not close
Speaker 5: at all, Like the only time we spent together is
Speaker 5: you know, in Survivor and we didn't even play with
Speaker 5: each other. Meanwhile, we actually are really close, but we
Speaker 5: just wanted to keep that under wraps.
Speaker 1: It's like you're the Lisa Cudro in the Courtney Cox
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston friendship. You know, they're always they're always defending.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we love Lisa Kudro, you know she
Speaker 1: We love her just as much as each other. But
Speaker 1: because you always see Courtney Cox and Jenniferaniston together, people
Speaker 1: think that Lisa Kudro is being excluded, which is not
Speaker 1: the case. It's just you know, how the media depicts it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, yes, for us, how social
Speaker 1: media is you know, depicting it. But I was curious,
Speaker 1: don't you think those two really got together and knew
Speaker 1: they were going to go to this series of Survivor
Speaker 1: and set out a game plan.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 6: Look, I wouldn't put it past him one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: You know, they're two of the most strategical players ever
Speaker 5: and they get along rt so like why not?
Speaker 6: And you know, Haley.
Speaker 5: Did do a really good job on the season though,
Speaker 5: of like feeding everyone on the tribe. In the on
Speaker 5: the Original Heroes tribe, you know so many things about George, like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's the mass manipulator.
Speaker 6: Don't trust him for a second. He's this, is that,
Speaker 6: he's this.
Speaker 5: So she did a good job at making it very
Speaker 5: clear to everyone that she would never do that. So
Speaker 5: when she does flip, it's like, oh my god, that
Speaker 5: no one can believe it, you know, because of what
Speaker 5: she was saying and spreading about George.
Speaker 1: Well you have to do that though, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you don't want someone to think you like someone, you
Speaker 1: just have to make it sound like you hate them.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the writing was totally on the wall though, in
Speaker 1: that tribal council. You know, for you, was there ever
Speaker 1: a chance that you would have been able to survive
Speaker 1: that tribal council?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Look, probably if I had an idol, or if Sean
Speaker 5: would have played his idol for me, I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: would have survived.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's the only way.
Speaker 5: I really don't see another way out of it for me.
Speaker 5: There was also a couple of other things that went down.
Speaker 5: A couple other things got said by a few different
Speaker 5: people too, Shannee and Liz, that it just made it
Speaker 5: impossible for me to really come out of that one alive.
Speaker 6: I think I think I would. I just would have
Speaker 6: maded a miracle or an idol.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I wondered also if your friendship with Liz and Shawnee
Speaker 1: was total manipulation. And you kind of did answer this before,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's not social game. You're just getting
Speaker 1: along with people. But in that time that you were
Speaker 1: hanging out with them, did you always know you were
Speaker 1: going to throw them under the bus.
Speaker 6: No way, I never knew that.
Speaker 5: It's just that I get along with anyone. I'll sit
Speaker 5: there and have conversations with them. Shannie and Liz are
Speaker 5: beautiful people, and like I know, you know, outside the game,
Speaker 5: we're all going to catch up and we're gonna have
Speaker 5: the best time. It's just that I people and the
Speaker 5: public and the audience get confused that it is a
Speaker 5: game and you need to keep trying it, you know.
Speaker 5: And I was very clear and going in this time
Speaker 5: that I wanted to try and play a little bit differently,
Speaker 5: you know, I wanted to be a bit more aggressive
Speaker 5: and in terms of strategy as well, because so many
Speaker 5: people on my first days of well athlet didn't really
Speaker 5: have any strategy, and I'm like, yeah, okay, So the moment,
Speaker 5: it's just so silly, you know, Like I.
Speaker 1: Got to understand I guess that. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: watching a show like this, you want people to buy
Speaker 1: into the magic of it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You want people to feel like they're a part of it.
Speaker 1: And a part of that means that we're all reading
Speaker 1: into things, we're all believing things to be gospeled, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean like it's a double edged sword with I
Speaker 1: know how the audience are going to watch it, where
Speaker 1: for me, I was just thinking the whole time you
Speaker 1: were making that alliance. I never for one second, I
Speaker 1: think I even said it in one of the other
Speaker 1: exit interviews. I was like, she's gonna flip, like why
Speaker 1: why are they doing that? It was a big mistake. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're all guilty of probably buying into.
Speaker 5: The SA that's what it is, you know, And like,
Speaker 5: of course Seannie's played. This is her third time playing,
Speaker 5: so she's been on people's screens for so long and
Speaker 5: people have a relationship with her. So the moment anyone
Speaker 5: if it was me if it was anyone turns on Shannie.
Speaker 5: It's the biggest thing ever because Seannie has been in
Speaker 5: front of people's eyes for a long time, so people
Speaker 5: do have that relationship with her. But like nothing, what
Speaker 5: I'm doing isn't manipulative. It's just that it's gameplay and
Speaker 5: I've just decided that I wanted to vote them out
Speaker 5: because they are a big threat. Now you can call
Speaker 5: it manipultive or not. I don't see it as manipulative.
Speaker 5: I see it as Yes, they're still my mates, and
Speaker 5: I know, like we've already chatted postings and we're fine.
Speaker 6: Like I just know, I.
Speaker 5: Know what I do, and I don't really care what
Speaker 5: other people say, Like good on them if they think
Speaker 5: I manipulated people, like keep thinking of that.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not that I think, you know, interestingly,
Speaker 1: you know, it was ten years ago now, but I
Speaker 1: did Big Brother, and I played Big Brother like Survivor,
Speaker 1: and Big Brother at that stage wasn't like Survivor that
Speaker 1: it is now.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was more about being friends and you know, having
Speaker 1: a laugh and being silly where I was literally counting
Speaker 1: everyone's heads every night and manipulating people and it was
Speaker 1: because I wanted I wanted to win the money, and
Speaker 1: I won because I was playing the game like that.
Speaker 1: But people called me a bully, people called me a
Speaker 1: bitch like people were saying that, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not really that in real life, because that was
Speaker 1: just to do with the fact that I gave myself
Speaker 1: up to the gameplay, Like.
Speaker 5: You're seeing Pluddy one, like like, what what am I
Speaker 5: on screen for maybe five minutes out of a whole episode,
Speaker 5: ten minutes out of a whole episode, and you're gonna
Speaker 5: make you You're going to form your opinion of me
Speaker 5: from Matt Like, that's pretty silly.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, though, I have to say, with
Speaker 1: Sean knowing he had that idol and watching your relationship
Speaker 1: with Sean through that episode, I really felt like he
Speaker 1: should have played that idol for you, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, the fact that you ran up to each
Speaker 1: other and you had the sort of heroes return to
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, I just was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he really needs to save you. So I think that
Speaker 1: was really hard. I mean, that was brutal to watch
Speaker 1: as an audience, but you know, it's gameplay, Yeah it is.
Speaker 6: That's gameplay. Too.
Speaker 5: And look if the shoe was on the other foot
Speaker 5: and I was sitting there with an idol, I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's a big deal to play an idol
Speaker 5: for someone else and not yourself because and it's risky.
Speaker 5: You know, that could backfire on you. Then it exposes
Speaker 5: our relationship and all this, like there's a lot to
Speaker 5: think about.
Speaker 6: And look, I don't blame him.
Speaker 5: He did message me last night being like, oh blig, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry I.
Speaker 6: Didn't do that.
Speaker 1: We should.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like I wish, I wish I played
Speaker 5: it for you. But you know, I don't blame him
Speaker 5: because like he's probably gonna he knows now he's in
Speaker 5: a minority, he's going to need that down the line.
Speaker 6: So you know, I don't blame him. We're at the
Speaker 6: point point the end of the game. It's individual now.
Speaker 1: So how do you how do you see Nina and
Speaker 1: Sean really coming out from underneath this? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you foresee? This is my thought process is that we're
Speaker 1: going to see two groups fractioned into three, and the
Speaker 1: third the group that merges, like the group that forms
Speaker 1: out of these two will become the dominant one. Is
Speaker 1: that sort of how Nina and Sean could survive. How
Speaker 1: do you think that's gonna How do you think that
Speaker 1: Nina and Sean can come out from underneath this O?
Speaker 5: Man Ah, I think it's going to take a lot
Speaker 5: of luck, and I think it's there's so many moving
Speaker 5: parts of this game and but eventually, look to be honest,
Speaker 5: I don't see this Spice Girls alliance cracking. I just
Speaker 5: think they're so strong. But I think that eventually there
Speaker 5: has to be right and eventually they're gonna have the
Speaker 5: snake has to eat itself, like it's going to have to,
Speaker 5: and so there's got they're gonna need people like Nina
Speaker 5: and Sean to make big moves to get rid of
Speaker 5: other people. So I think it's not all over for them,
Speaker 5: Like there's definitely still there is going to be still
Speaker 5: game play left.
Speaker 6: It's just you know, it's just if they can stick in.
Speaker 5: There long enough to see those people move around, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Who have to wait.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking at Sam and Matt equally and thinking
Speaker 1: I've got them in a different category because I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, are they just pawns for people to get
Speaker 1: rid of? Like I mean, I don't necessar I certainly
Speaker 1: know if they are serious contenders to win this show
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 5: It definitely seems that way right now. I and I
Speaker 5: see what you're saying. But like I said that, you
Speaker 5: know that Spy Skills Alliance, even that they oh the Vigilantes,
Speaker 5: you know, they seem strong right now, and they seem
Speaker 5: like they're not going to crack. But the cracks will
Speaker 5: have to form, because that's the nature of the show.
Speaker 5: If someone goes home every second night and you know
Speaker 5: there has to be there's not not going to be,
Speaker 5: you know, so it's going to get interesting.
Speaker 6: That's all I say.
Speaker 1: So lovely chatting to you, but every I've got to
Speaker 1: get to the end of this because otherwise, I know
Speaker 1: you're talking to a lot of people today. I'm asking everyone, though,
Speaker 1: who do you think is going to win? Because I
Speaker 1: don't really want to know what you may know now.
Speaker 1: I want to know where you're headed. Was that when
Speaker 1: you walked out of that tribal council, Like, who did
Speaker 1: you think at that point when you snuffed your torch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you think was going to take this out?
Speaker 5: So I think, Look, I think George is playing an
Speaker 5: amazing game I think at this point I've walked out, Like,
Speaker 5: I think he's playing incredible. He's like super masterminds, so strategic.
Speaker 5: The way he's making decisions like on the fly like
Speaker 5: that is just incredible, and how he's able to think
Speaker 5: so many moves ahead. I just don't know, because he's
Speaker 5: such a big threat, if you know, if he's really
Speaker 5: gonna last that long because he is such a big threat,
Speaker 5: you know, I'd like to see him get a win
Speaker 5: because he is incredible and like he deserves it. But
Speaker 5: I think the underdog for me is someone like Nina,
Speaker 5: because Nina is playing a game that hasn't gotten much airtimelate,
Speaker 5: and she puts so much into it.
Speaker 6: She's such a great thinker, she plays.
Speaker 5: An incredible social game, and she's just like, Yeah, Nina
Speaker 5: for me is definitely one to watch.
Speaker 6: And I don't think we've seen enough of that gameplay yet.
Speaker 1: And I have to ask, would you ever return to
Speaker 1: the show And do you know what sort of a
Speaker 1: theme you would need to return with? Have you thought, God,
Speaker 1: they could easily have me back, Sean, He's done it
Speaker 1: three times, Like, what sort of a theme do you
Speaker 1: think that they could rope you into?
Speaker 5: Oh look, I mean, i'd love to look if I
Speaker 5: was going to go and play again.
Speaker 6: It's just it's going to be hard for.
Speaker 5: Me with my focus being on my career and big
Speaker 5: wave surfing and that is my sole focus.
Speaker 6: I feel like the last two years.
Speaker 5: Because of lockdown and being in Western Australia and COVID,
Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to play Survivor because my surfing
Speaker 5: took a bit of a back seat because I couldn't.
Speaker 6: Travel the world doing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and that allowed me to That allowed me
Speaker 5: to Yeah, so that allowed me to play Survivor, which
Speaker 5: has been incredible. It's given me, like you know, best opportunities,
Speaker 5: made so many friendships and an amazing experience.
Speaker 6: Now, if I was to do it.
Speaker 5: Again and just be like I wouldn't, I'm not, like,
Speaker 5: it'd just be a lot more thought go into it
Speaker 5: and timing, like, you know, is this going to work
Speaker 5: out with what I'm doing right now, like with my
Speaker 5: big wave surfing career, because that's my number one priority
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 6: So just a little bit more thought.
Speaker 5: But in terms of what I don't know, I mean
Speaker 5: it definitely again, Yeah, that'd be pretty funny, flick so
Speaker 5: lovely to chat with you.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you came back. I'm so glad we've
Speaker 1: got to see you. It kind of as an audience,
Speaker 1: makes us realize that you're okay, you know, and actually
Speaker 1: and now it's really good to see because we buy
Speaker 1: into these people, you know. When we saw you leave
Speaker 1: last time, I mean, I can only speak for myself,
Speaker 1: but you know, I had a lot of love in
Speaker 1: my heart for you, and it's nice to be able
Speaker 1: to see you come back and look happy and be happy.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks for the chat.