WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 5

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode, I have this week's booted castaways from

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Survivor and what a week it has been saying

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to Stevie, David and Flick, all big names and

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<v Speaker 1>proof that this competition is really heating up. The bumbling

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<v Speaker 1>villain with a heart of gold and a few scores

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<v Speaker 1>to settle. David was the lamb backstrap with a mail

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<v Speaker 1>strong meat tray alliance, and Flick easily known as Flip,

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<v Speaker 1>was the returnee with the second chance to improve her game.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, I'll chat with Stevie and find out what

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks of George's portrayal. Now, I'll also find out

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<v Speaker 1>if George is as arrogant as he seems on camera,

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<v Speaker 1>plus how he feels with some time to heal from

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<v Speaker 1>that epic blind side. Then David will join me to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Speedo's Yeah, his Speedos, You're welcome, alliances he

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<v Speaker 1>may or we may not have seen, and how he

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<v Speaker 1>ranks himself against the other AFL players who have previously

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<v Speaker 1>been seen on Australian Survivor. Finally, we will have Flick,

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<v Speaker 1>who will spill the tea on a secret relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>George and Hayley. We will find out if Flick thinks

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<v Speaker 1>Sean should have played his idol for her and for

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<v Speaker 1>Flick why returning to the series was so important. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of the fifth week of austray Survivor, which you can

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<v Speaker 1>catch up on now on ten play anyway, let's bring

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<v Speaker 1>Stevie into the podcast and I hope you enjoy this

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<v Speaker 1>part of the episode. Congratulations on beating your personal best.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm so rap In fact, that's what it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about. I wasn't trying to beat any other characters

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<v Speaker 2>or by ten thousand idols. It was just I lasted

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight days this day, yay, right, and I went

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<v Speaker 2>past tribe swapped as well. But the next hurdle was

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be merged. Dang, it just missed up by

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<v Speaker 2>one day.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But was there anyone in particular that you were really

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to working with once the merch happened that's

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<v Speaker 1>now been stolen from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can say it's been stolen a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a password, but you know, like in Survivor, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to understand that all better off you can get

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<v Speaker 2>stuffed right away, so you expect the unexpected. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you, though, how confident were you

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<v Speaker 1>that you would come back to Australian Survivor one day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question because I don't think I'll come back,

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<v Speaker 2>but never said ever. But the reason why I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like coming back is because there are so many

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<v Speaker 2>great new characters you haven't even seen before, out there

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<v Speaker 2>personality and all that give them a judge to get

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And you know, boring old pag like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say that because fans really wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>you back. I mean, I don't know if you read

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<v Speaker 1>any of the fan forums, and I really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>see you back on the show as well. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just was curious as to whether or not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you had your feelers out with the Survivor World. Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a shock to you to get the call? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder sometimes do people get told sit tight

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<v Speaker 1>because we've got something for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, I was half expecting it because when

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<v Speaker 2>I acted out of season three, I had a quiet

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<v Speaker 2>word with the you know, the little gods out there

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<v Speaker 2>in the production. You know, look, I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>this wardrobe in this box and I've put a label

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<v Speaker 2>top for my return, and she loved at me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, when I'm ready, I already got my wardrobe,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, get on with it. You know that I

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<v Speaker 2>wore the same World robe as I did in season

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<v Speaker 2>three twenty eighteen, mostly except undies.

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<v Speaker 1>Are actually always change. The undies always changed. What IM said, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this year certainly seems very unpredictable at the

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<v Speaker 1>best of times. But what made you feel so safe

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<v Speaker 1>in that final tribal council for you that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see the blind side country?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I have to speak with example, as in like

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<v Speaker 2>actually with example kind of thing. In other words, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been telling everyone we've got to remain strong right as

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<v Speaker 2>an alliance in to merge. There should never be any betrayal.

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<v Speaker 2>There should be never any blind siding, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no treachery. And I make that emphasis all the way

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<v Speaker 2>along to everyone and including the new recruit Matt. If

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<v Speaker 2>you join us, relaxed, We're not going to go after you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go strong. And many times I said

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<v Speaker 2>this word to them. You know, they're all saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>divided before basically, and so when I went into the

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<v Speaker 2>tribal council, I had to go old boots and all.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to believe in it, believe in what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, with George, it sort of did feel like he

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<v Speaker 1>built your trust only to destroy it. Would it be

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<v Speaker 1>fair to say that George's intention to gain your trust

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<v Speaker 1>only a few weeks back at that hectic tribal council,

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<v Speaker 1>quickly seemed dashed last night when he offered your head

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for this flick compromise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't think it was a deliberate intent. I

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<v Speaker 2>do sense that George was under pressure. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>a tactical error of the moment when you're under so

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<v Speaker 2>much duress being forced to make a decision. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like George to be like that. He's always looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the strategym beyond the horizon. But it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>moment of witness there and I was just a bunny unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked that way. It was more worried about

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<v Speaker 2>wasting the title that this has. I can see that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also want to stamp his authority to the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I mean, this is my only concern with that.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes Jerry a better candidate to keep in you

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<v Speaker 1>know the minds of the current heroes tribe like why

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<v Speaker 1>did he Why is Jerry all of a sudden getting

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<v Speaker 1>that power?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, if you look at what happened framed by Premier, Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>I was busy trying to respond to jailp asking all

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<v Speaker 2>these silly questions about loyalty, you know, like and so

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<v Speaker 2>while I was talking, so George had to go to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to somebody, and there's Jerry to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>he think the clue was. When when all is said

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<v Speaker 2>and done, George didn't come back to me to confirm

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<v Speaker 2>what he talked to Jerry about. So that's that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I started feeling at bit uneasy. But it was delete now, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>with some disappointment at why George went after me, whereby

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<v Speaker 2>Matt is the most obvious target. What do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I think people were saying that you

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<v Speaker 1>might be flip flopping around and you know, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't always follow the plan, but I think they undersold

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<v Speaker 1>that with you. I don't think that was accurate. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you were able to make executive decisions and

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<v Speaker 1>be loyal to the right people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think, you know, this fracture that is

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<v Speaker 1>with Liz and shining towards George has me really concerned

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<v Speaker 1>for the so called Spice girl's future. Last night really

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<v Speaker 1>showed us who has the control on the Spice Girls,

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, I think it's Shonnie and Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, most or Liz when she bring out the

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<v Speaker 2>big gun up the idol on Blick. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>a stupid move in my humble opinion, because you're was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking one idol for the community use of the allied line. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I don't know what you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>through it or not, but that will be really crazy

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the wrong it's the wrong forum to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a decision this should have been before tribal

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<v Speaker 2>council too, won't bring it up. These are all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that that the gameplay is based on emotions, not strategy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where we are weake at at this point

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<v Speaker 2>in our alliance, and I can see him moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably it can be the start of the breakup of

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<v Speaker 2>the Space Girls. I mean Space already gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we all know what happened to their actual Spice Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe it's a in prophecy, and maybe that means

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<v Speaker 1>that the name is more suitable than we ever thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I wanted to ask you though. So George

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<v Speaker 1>is most certainly the most obviously calculated and manipulative castaway

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen this on this season. Maybe ever, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, and I love him, by the way, So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying anything negative towards him at all. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you are quick to point out that he is

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<v Speaker 1>quite arrogant when he talks to the camera and talks

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<v Speaker 1>to us, is his arrogancy? Is that more obvious on

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<v Speaker 1>the beat?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've got to defend King George on this front. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you call him rogant? It's just just him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's got their own personal even me. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a bit goofy. Sometimes you figure that out. But remember

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<v Speaker 2>at the time when in one of my professions someone

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<v Speaker 2>asked me about and what do you think about George?

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, like, well, he's the kind of guy

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<v Speaker 2>who walked in the pub and everybody wants to punch

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<v Speaker 2>him the face. That's that's that's exactly true. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>it's just sometimes you said the wrong thing thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>what he says. But he really quite meaningful and harmless

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<v Speaker 2>really in so many different ways. Yes, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at arrogance, it would be it would it will be

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<v Speaker 2>an half a male, one of the half males. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not naming names.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think Haley knowing about Nina at this stage

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<v Speaker 1>might be a little bit too unsettling and unnecessary at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Do you think it was good of George

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<v Speaker 1>to tell Haley about that kind of dissension that he

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<v Speaker 1>knows about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I mean George a gender was obviously to

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<v Speaker 2>try to connect with her and create a telopathic bond

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<v Speaker 2>of some sort, right, Yeah, but it will works. Called

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<v Speaker 2>it male induition if you want. Of Haley. I find

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<v Speaker 2>Hailey to be a very high anxiety person. With all

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<v Speaker 2>do respect, I'm not talking anything disparaging him, Halle, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is my impression she She's anxious about this and

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<v Speaker 2>that and everything else, you know, everything to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the right place. Yeah, so George was a good moderator

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<v Speaker 2>for Haley. That's how I see it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you see the thing, but that's how it fan

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<v Speaker 2>out to this very date.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Shawnie and Liz as well, you know, now

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know them sitting there like giggling school girls

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<v Speaker 1>at the back of the class. I mean, that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how I say it. You know, I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>real Harley Quinn devil may care side to Shawnee last night,

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<v Speaker 1>which that's me sort of questioning, you know, is laughing

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<v Speaker 1>and showing no real sign of empathy about who you're

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<v Speaker 1>sending home. Is that good or bad for her if

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<v Speaker 1>she makes it to the final tribal council? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine if you if I was you Wan, I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching it back last night, I saw how easy

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<v Speaker 1>they were flipping and laughing about who was going to

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<v Speaker 1>go home. That might piss me off and I might

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<v Speaker 1>not want her to win at the end when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it gives that that kind of impression, it will

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<v Speaker 2>fish you off, no doubt because it might will. Because

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<v Speaker 2>people like that shows, as you said before, a level

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<v Speaker 2>of arrogance, right, and like empathy, which is essential when

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<v Speaker 2>you had to flee before the jury, because they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the jury, the one that you're having a

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<v Speaker 2>go at, right. And it's kind of standing in some

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<v Speaker 2>way because it shows that the gamemanship adopted by these

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<v Speaker 2>girls is mainly based on emotive level, ravent on strategic level.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't underestimate them simply because an army of two

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<v Speaker 2>is always dangerous, you know what I mean. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>look at either seasons of survival, whereas American or African

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and army too allowed to bond is utterly dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>now if they're a transplant into a gradio alligance, what

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<v Speaker 2>the danger is in your lines itself, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>happened last night. So usually when you see an army

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<v Speaker 2>of two growing, you should try to spit them up

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<v Speaker 2>by building one out as just as possible. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>complex issues, isn't it now?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very complex. I mean, how are your friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family going watching you on this show? I meant, do

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<v Speaker 1>they get really stressed out? I can imagine that this

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<v Speaker 1>season being the best season of Australian Survivor that we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen, particularly because it's so intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, with doubt, I know I'm biased, but with no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I had this conversation with someone yesterday and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this season of Australian Survivor is the

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<v Speaker 1>best reality TV series we've seen in Australia. And they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what about us? The first season of Australian Idol? What

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<v Speaker 1>about the first season of Big Brother? But maybe because

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the thick of it and it seems more intense,

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<v Speaker 1>I genuinely believe that this is the best reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, man, you can't count the first season

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<v Speaker 2>of any reality show because there's an element of nobility there, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they also picking people that are willing these

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<v Speaker 1>days to lean into their characters, you know, lean into

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<v Speaker 1>their villainy, lean into their hero character, but also have

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<v Speaker 1>fun better show. People often talk about the conflict on

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<v Speaker 1>the show and say, oh, it's a bit full on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a bit stressful, but I can still

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<v Speaker 1>see through that. I can still see everyone that's been

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<v Speaker 1>selected to be on the show is having a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that is that how you feeled now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a good with you. Definitely, That's how we

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<v Speaker 2>all feel it was. It was great casting. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>was critical of the casting to beginning, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want any typical, peotypical kind of characters in

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<v Speaker 2>there a bit of diversity here and there, and we

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<v Speaker 2>got it this time. We got crazy people with people,

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<v Speaker 2>and smart people and and microagoristic people. Rama just and

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<v Speaker 2>all by itself without any help needed. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>People said that you looked really sad last night, and

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the same. So I was looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you today because your last piece of camera

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<v Speaker 1>make looked really sad. But how are you feeling about

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<v Speaker 1>it all?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the heat at the moment. At that time,

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed that, you know, it was filmed uh many

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<v Speaker 2>months ago. You've got to be sad to be suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>blindsided like that. I mean, otherwise I'm just kidding myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was disappointed. I was really disappointed. How dare you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mean, your team and I did everything I can

0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 2>to keep you guys alive, and you and you reward

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<v Speaker 2>me with this. Yeah, I had to look at it

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<v Speaker 2>again to see how sad I look. But even now, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm philosophical about it. That's survivor. That's how you play

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<v Speaker 2>the game. And if you want to play it like that,

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<v Speaker 2>then't tell me it. You can even toss out any

0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.200
<v Speaker 2>morality if you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to know what you you have to know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're signing up for. I mean, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, Like, if you're the sort of person who

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, going to push the giant cookie over

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<v Speaker 1>and throw a tantrum, you know, then maybe you're not

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<v Speaker 1>the right person for this sort of show. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they put that into the equation when coming

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<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the custing director looking for people literally willing

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<v Speaker 2>to take rich beyond end the bow. If you're not

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<v Speaker 2>willing to take ris, what's the point, then you're just

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<v Speaker 2>going to be laying little under the radar all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>not doing anything exactly bring real show.

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<v Speaker 1>Would also just for people listening that pushing of the

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<v Speaker 1>cookie over was a bridesmaid's reference. I'm sure that people. Oh, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you, which I'm asking everyone, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is when you left, not what you know now,

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<v Speaker 1>but who did you think is going to be the winner?

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<v Speaker 1>Like who did you pick to be the winner of

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<v Speaker 1>this season?

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<v Speaker 2>The scene is set now for a lot more drama

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<v Speaker 2>than ever before than this because you know, now people

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<v Speaker 2>are questioning George, questioning the girls, and then people are

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<v Speaker 2>questioning the the mid Trail lions, you know, all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. So the scene is set for an

0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.600
<v Speaker 2>incredible dynamics. You know. That's the and the way how

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<v Speaker 2>I see it is maybe the best way to I

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<v Speaker 2>answer that is this, right, you got the boys, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they're going to cannibalize eachadow because when

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<v Speaker 2>you have more than one alpha male, the competition is

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<v Speaker 2>to do great that it's gonna and also what happened

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<v Speaker 2>last night is the start of probably the end of

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<v Speaker 2>our spice toiled allons because you know, trust is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as Returneys first service, newbies with the

0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Returneys are so intense going into the game, playing all

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<v Speaker 2>the different gamanship and sometimes to walk something. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to put it off eventually. So what's left

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<v Speaker 2>would be the newbies. I'm hoping for the newbies to

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<v Speaker 2>show how it's done. And so any of the newbies

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<v Speaker 2>that last that role, yeah they deserve it.

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<v Speaker 1>But can give me a name. You've got to give

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<v Speaker 1>me a name, like I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a name. I'll give you an name. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness. You want to put it in all the bed?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Let's all the bed? I'm I mean, I'm good

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<v Speaker 1>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Davie, Yeah, all right, I might just go for I know,

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<v Speaker 2>the old culture. Jerry, because he's he's always at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>he's always in survival mode. And as time goes by

0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.199
<v Speaker 2>he became more emboldened. He said, stuff, you Jack. You

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<v Speaker 2>know you've quoted me out last time, you tried to

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<v Speaker 2>get me off. So I'm going to be dirty now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play your game. I hope, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you do that. You know, it's a nice or bugger.

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<v Speaker 2>But I hope you've become really skinnish during nasty. All

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<v Speaker 2>the things I taught him on the sideline, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you'll do all that and yeah, you know, go here

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<v Speaker 2>we go. That's ten bucks on you. What do you want?

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<v Speaker 5>Who?

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<v Speaker 2>Who you are you looking for?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I have so many at this point. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like I try it because I'm interviewing

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<v Speaker 1>everyone not to be too you know, like not to

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<v Speaker 1>buy into too many people or have too many favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as I said to you, I really enjoyed you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love George, I even like Simon, and then you

0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>know Sean and Haley. Look, honestly, I really need to

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a better think about it before I

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<v Speaker 1>answer it at this time, because I think what you're

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.040
<v Speaker 1>alluding to before is the ship's about to hit the fan.

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<v Speaker 1>So anything can.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen exactly right, exactly can go any which way. But

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<v Speaker 2>the dark sided Aborce is going to descend from this board,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm.

0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Here for it, mate, I'm here for it. Who would

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you ever return? That's the question I'm asking everyone.

0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Would you ever Well, highly unlikely, although I never said never,

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:37.359
<v Speaker 2>but highly unlikely. Finally, because I feel guilty. There's there's

0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.880
<v Speaker 2>characters out there in the real world, people out there

0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.640
<v Speaker 2>that can add amazing value to a strange survivor more

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 2>than industry journeys.

0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.159
<v Speaker 1>But we have immediate a love for people like you

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<v Speaker 1>coming back, like the season kicks off. Really God that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to take as much time to get

0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.159
<v Speaker 1>used to everybody because we're already in love with Stevie

0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 1>or we're already in love with George. So there is

0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.399
<v Speaker 1>a real value in bringing returnees back. And you know,

0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 1>like Survivor seems like crack cocaine or something because everyone

0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.000
<v Speaker 1>goes back, like I can't imagine. Has there been any

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you know of anyone that was asked to come

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<v Speaker 1>back that didn't come back?

0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no, Okay, everybody wants to come back, But in

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<v Speaker 2>all honesty, really I'm unlikely to come back because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like if it's my second goal next time, when I asked, yes,

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it, two is good, but three is probably

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:26.800
<v Speaker 2>odd for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's some result issues. I think you've come back

0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.879
<v Speaker 1>for Shawne's fourth season, you know which is you know,

0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, unresolved issues between you and Shawnee. So

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe the season will be called revenge.

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Well that's just if in four years time, not a

0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 2>four year's time, and it's called you know, viple, Vendetta

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>or revenge or something like that. And Seanee and George

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.239
<v Speaker 2>in the mine. Yes, I mean it.

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you deserve the break, Pake, just go. Yeah, you

0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.639
<v Speaker 1>need some time away from the beach. Thank you so

0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.960
<v Speaker 1>much for being so generous with your time and and

0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:58.640
<v Speaker 1>unpacking experience.

0:19:58.760 --> 0:19:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Some great insights from Stevie. I think he has a point.

0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.639
<v Speaker 1>And getting some more newbies and new stories sounds cool,

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 1>but I also can't help but love these returnees. Anyway,

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Let's bring David into the podcast now. Yes, we will

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>talk about those pinks beetles and plenty of insights into

0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>his game. Let's welcome David to the podcast. Hi David,

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:22.679
<v Speaker 1>what is it? Lamb? Backstrap?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, backstrap. It's stuck actually quite a bit. So I've

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:26.959
<v Speaker 3>got Ben to thank for that.

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, he was on the podcast the other week and

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he was saying that it has stuck and that your

0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:35.400
<v Speaker 1>friends and maybe your girlfriend everyone's now calling you backstrap.

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 4>I must have told him just before he came on here.

0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's definitely sticking and copying a bit of flak for it,

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but that's great, Ben's He's created a weapon.

0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Ben, And yeah, I love that you have a sense

0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>of humor with this. And I also will just say, ps,

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:53.880
<v Speaker 1>it is my favorite meat so.

0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Too.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean, YEA happy to provide good times and people.

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the boys being named after a

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.159
<v Speaker 1>meet Trey? How flattering was that for you guys? I mean,

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>did you guys like it or how did it land?

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 4>I think Ben's a genius.

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.160
<v Speaker 3>He created that narrative around us, probably for potential later

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.440
<v Speaker 3>in the game to use that against us. I reckon

0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 3>and I think out there it was a genius move

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.400
<v Speaker 3>for him to kind of create all all the four

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.920
<v Speaker 3>boys together because then obviously, I don't know if you've known,

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.199
<v Speaker 3>like Jerry is now just stuck with it, and all

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.080
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden he causes the hierarchy and the four

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Boys and all that kind of thing when I'm off

0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 3>here working with Sam and Nina and Liz when at

0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 3>one stage and I'm not even working with Sean and

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 3>Matt and all that kind of stuff at a certain points.

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 4>So it was a genius move by him, because then.

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 3>Certain people just stuck with it, and then, as I said,

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 3>if Ben was there later in the game, he really

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 3>could have used it against us.

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 4>So I think it was genius for him.

0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Some of those things work for us as an audience

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 1>as well, like it helps us identify and talk about

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the show. So you know, I think he's like, he's

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.840
<v Speaker 1>a smart man, he's a TV writer. Kind of good

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to have him on board and on the beach to

0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.280
<v Speaker 1>help with the writing of the show one hundred percent.

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 3>And he knew the narratives he were creating. I mean,

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.800
<v Speaker 3>he created a great one to get Shanne out that night,

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 3>and he knew that he could well, I mean, Survive

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:12.520
<v Speaker 3>was about manipulating people.

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 4>He knew he could manipulate people.

0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.679
<v Speaker 3>That night for that vote to get what he wanted

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 3>that night as a success.

0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 4>So credit to him.

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's what creates such great players out there that

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 3>they use what they know in everyday life, which is Ben.

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.439
<v Speaker 4>He's a wordsmith, he's.

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.640
<v Speaker 3>A creative writer, and he can create storylines for himself.

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 3>So there's certain people out there that can do that

0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:32.920
<v Speaker 3>very well.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you end up on a series like this?

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.720
<v Speaker 1>You know what attracted you to come on to Australian Survivor.

0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.240
<v Speaker 4>I was a big fans as a kid.

0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean I remember watching the very first season of Survivor.

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 3>I think I was twelve back then, and just fell

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 3>in love with it, just the challenge. Well, as a

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 3>kid when he watched the challenges, you're like, oh, I

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 3>could do that one day, and he look how fun

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.159
<v Speaker 3>they look and stuff like that. So that was always

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.639
<v Speaker 3>something that interested me. And then playing playing footage for

0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 3>so long and finishing up in twenty twenty one, it's

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of you're like, all right, what's next. What's a

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 3>big challenge that I could do that's competitive, that can

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 3>get the juices flowing and really test you as a person,

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 3>because that's what footy does for so long, And once

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Survivor kind of came up as an opportunity, I jumped

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 3>at it straight away, being such a fan when I

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 3>was a kid and loving the concept and the game

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 3>and the gameplay and that, and I knew straight away

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 3>that I wanted that kind of thirst for competition and

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 3>challenge and getting to do that out there and being

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.879
<v Speaker 3>able to play the game. It certainly lived up to

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 3>expectations and even way beyond that of how good it

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 3>actually is to get the opportunity to go out there

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 3>and play.

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 1>And then now, how do you rank yourself in terms

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.199
<v Speaker 1>of strategy compared to the other AFL players in the

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>game's history.

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.159
<v Speaker 4>Well, and other people can kind of comment on that.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I knew going in that, So my strategy

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 3>going in was I'd be physically strong as you're setting

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 3>in the challenges, and I'd be very good socially.

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm a very social person.

0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I love creating relationships and listening to people's stories, and

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had a podcast in my own years ago,

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 3>and I love that kind of connecting with people and

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 3>finding out their story and information about them.

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 4>So that for me was going to be very strong.

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 3>And then I knew to get to myself to a

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 3>point in the game where I felt comfortable and I've

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 3>had some good relationships that I would then start being

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 3>really strategic and trying to make some moves. And that

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 3>was the whole thing with Sam and Nina and getting

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Liz on board to try and blindside Haley at that

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 3>mutiny vote that that.

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 4>Was kind of our probably welcome and opening party.

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 3>So they're really into the game of strap play and

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 3>that was our big move to go, hang on, we've

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 3>arrived here. US four are really trying to make some

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.880
<v Speaker 3>moves in the game. And obviously it didn't work with

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 3>the mutiny, but that was kind of always what I

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:47.120
<v Speaker 3>wanted to do. I knew George going in Flick Hailey

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 3>very strong Shawanee, very strong Strap players, and that I

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to come in try and compete with them

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 3>straight away and played too hard in that regard because

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 3>I could just fall on the wayside and I wanted

0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 3>to get to a point in the game where I

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 3>felt comfortable to then. So that was definitely my plan

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.440
<v Speaker 3>going in, and it got me to the point where

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I made merge and tried to make a great, big

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 3>play and it just didn't work out.

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 4>So that was, Yeah, that was how I saw it.

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get a little bit more into the demise

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit, but I just also wanted to

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.880
<v Speaker 1>ask about, you know, the conditions to me for you

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>seemed wild. I don't know whether this is right or wrong,

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's my maybe I was looking at you

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>more than anyone else, assume me, But I just thought,

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>what was the hardest thing about living on the beach

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>for you, because you looked like you sort of took

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it pretty hard by the time it was all over.

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean I might have looked like that in terms

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 3>of like I was skinny and thin and stuff, but

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 3>I loved.

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 4>Every single element of it.

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean there were nights out there it's probably two

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 3>am in the morning and it's freezing.

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Cold, and we're huddled back to back and we're trying

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 4>to stay at the rain. I loved it. I embraced

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 4>every single challenge out there. I thought it was awesome.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 3>It's such an unique experience that you never get anywhere

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 3>else in the world that I enjoyed and had to

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 3>smile on my face every day waking up.

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm someone that.

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 3>Loses weight very very quickly and easily and need food

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 3>for to sustain it. So it might have looked like that,

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 3>but mentally I was waking up every day absolutely loving it,

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 3>loving the challenge. Nothing ever, was ever too kind of

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 3>hard for me out in terms of like the physical,

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 3>the emotional, the emotional, the mental challenge of the elements

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 3>and survivor and Samoa and the rain and the cold

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 3>and all that.

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 4>I absolutely loved it.

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that you're like you know, just

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>losing weight comes easy to me.

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm just a skinny person at hearts.

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 4>I kind of yeah.

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Obviously, playing footing and working out for so long you

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of developed that body. But for me, it's like

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 3>if I stopped doing any of that stuff, I just

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 3>go skinny straight away.

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's ever really a body type that suits survivor.

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you just see different ages, different

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>people you know, doing well in this show. So I

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think that you can ever aim to be a

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>certain type of you know, physique or anything before going

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 1>into the show, because that's only one part of it.

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 3>It's one hundred percent right, And that's what kind of

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 3>frustrates you a little bit when people go, oh, your

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 3>big guys with physical threats will do well, and then

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.640
<v Speaker 3>you're gone, and it's like because your threats, it's like, well,

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 3>hang on a sec.

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 4>Later in the game, it comes down to balance endurance.

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 3>You might have a puzzle, whatever it is, and you

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 3>find kind of smaller people with balancing and holding things

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 3>and standing on themes and all that, they're the ones

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 3>that thrive later in the game. So early on, yeah,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 3>when you've got obstacle courses and challenges with tribes. At

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the first part of tribal it's like, yeah, they're the

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 3>ones that maybe big, stronger players dominate, But later in

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 3>the game, other players dominate way more than just big

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 3>strong people and they become more threats. So the best

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 3>thing about Survivors it does challenge you in terms of

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 3>your mental with your memory, with challenging, with figure out puzzles,

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.120
<v Speaker 3>but also physically with strength, with endurance, with balance, with agility.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 3>So that's why I love the game of Survivor because

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>it challenges you in so many different ways. But kind

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 3>of the narrative is that, oh, well, if you're strong,

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>you're a threat.

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 4>Well hang on a sec.

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 3>But later in the game, when you make merge or

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 3>if you make merge, you get the advantage if you're

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 3>a small player, and in kind of that regard, because

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>that's when you can really thrive in those challenges.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to be as smutty as this sounds,

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>by the way, but I just need to ask this

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 1>question because a brave man wears speedos all the time

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>on a reality show. I'm just going to say this,

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how did this is the other question happen

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>how did you pick that pair? Was there a point

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>where you will look at different options and you know,

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is there a point where maybe contestants get told maybe

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you need to wear board shorts? Like, how does that

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>all happen? How does it all go down?

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, obviously we don't wear any big branded clothing, so

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't wear well, I don't know if we're going

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 3>to say the company I couldn't wear.

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>You can say that here, that's fine, you can say

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't Budge.

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so Budgie Smigglers, which playing footy.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 3>For fifteen years, we always wear Budge Smigglers for recovery

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 3>going on the beach.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's on very comfortable in budgies and wearing that.

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just how I always worn in the pool or

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>in the ocean whatever. So going on reality TV, I'm

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 3>just being myself. I'm wearing Budgies and that.

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they had.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>To be just played and obviously I just chose pink

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 3>as a nice bright color to wear out there rather

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 3>than just plain black. And yeah, so they weren't. Yeah,

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 3>I love Simon had a really cool purple pair. Obviously

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 3>he was on the Villains and he kind of developed

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 3>and design a really cool pair. So if I ever

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 3>had another opportunity to go in again and I knew

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 3>the kind of the theme going in, I would definitely

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>maybe kind of manufacture a pair that kind of looked

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 3>like like what Simon's was, like, something to do with

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 3>what he was he was going in at, So that

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>would be definitely something different I would. But I'm definitely

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 3>not changing to boardies over budgies. I absolutely love budgies.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just picturing you with your partner beforehand, you know,

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>with the whole string of bikini men's bikini where having

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to work out what to wear and well, this one

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:44.239
<v Speaker 1>looks good, you know.

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we certainly did do that.

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 3>We're looking online and I was looking through and the red,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 3>there was blue, there was pink and black, and she said, no,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 3>let's go the pig.

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Well the ratings went up. Anyway, We've got to move

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>away from this before people come for me. They'll be like, Ben,

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you're disgusting, horrible man asking it speedos. But I'm sure

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>there's people out there that would wanted to know that.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You know how that all came together. Last night's challenge

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>had Australia gasping for air. You know, what was that

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>like in real life? And was there ever a part

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>of your mind thinking I could drown here?

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just mentally. Physically you're just there holding bars

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 3>and it's fine. It's I mean, it wasn't actually cold

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 3>or I think it was just nice in the water there,

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 3>but the mental side of holding bars waiting for the

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>tide to come in. I think I got out maybe

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 3>the fifty minute mark, iming to be honest, it felt

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 3>like ten minutes. I did not realize that fifty minutes

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 3>had went past. It was so quick as you're so

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 3>focused on a wave coming in, going all right, a

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 3>wave will come in, I won't get air. I wait

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 3>for the trough of the wave and then I'll be

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 3>able to breathe. And you're kind of going through that

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 3>three minds, so it goes really quickly. But once you

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 3>realize that the tides come in to a certain point

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 3>that you're going to be really struggling to breathe, you

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of don't know whether your next breath in will

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 3>be water or air, and that's where people panic a lot.

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't realize that when I came up that

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>it was only two other people remaining, and I kind

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 3>of felt like I could have pushed myself a little

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 3>bit further to get to the real panic point. And

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>that's obviously the uniqueness about that challenges. In other challenges,

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 3>you kind of know if certain other people are in,

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 3>if you're holding something and you look at your left

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.239
<v Speaker 3>or right and see the people are into, you might

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>try and get another couple of minutes out of yourself.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's hard about that challenge.

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 3>It's mentally you've got to push yourself to the nth

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>degree if you want to win. And I actually that's

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 3>one thing I regret. I don't feel like I went

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 3>to the point where I was so either exhausted or

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 3>full of water in my mouth or on my arms

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 3>where I was coughing up everything that I feel like

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I could have gone a bit further.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>It is what it is. You felt that way, because

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>you felt that way. You know, we all think that

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Sunday Morning quarterbacking. Is what I always say on these

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>chats with reality TV contestants. You can never really look

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>back and say I could have done something differently, because

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it is just what it is.

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, one hundred pcent Right out there, I was like oh,

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 4>water's coming in my mouth.

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I would have been gone, George. I don't know if

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you saw online last night, but George put up and

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>said that, you know, he did something like ten minutes

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and when he came out, he thought he'd been there

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>for five hours, and he thought he had the immunity

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>bracelet like community nelace like. You know, everyone's going to

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>go through that differently.

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I guess, well that's the thing. For me fifty minutes

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 4>about like ten minutes.

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I couldn't believe when Jarp said fifteen minutes when

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 3>I got there, and just it was so quick for me.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, you made this male strong alliance, you know, which

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>looked rock solid, and we kind of touched on this

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit before. But are you seeing a different

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>side to that now watching it back?

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean obviously when you're on there, I mean it's

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours a day. For I was there for

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 3>twenty nine days, and there's so much that can only

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 3>get put into a ninety minute episode for.

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 4>Each couple of days.

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 3>So you understand that things will get put in there,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 3>things get missed out, and that kind of the four

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 3>boys kind of narrative started, And I mean Jerry stuck

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>with it the whole time that the four boys and

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 3>four boys and four boys, and it's like it wasn't

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 3>really that lay. I had a great relationship with Nina.

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Nina was my number one out there with in terms

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 3>of strategy. Sam was my number one in terms of

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>just matship and we're like best mates now outside and

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely love him. And Nina was one that like,

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 3>every every minute of every day, we were basically talking

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>strategy with each other, and she was my number one

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 3>out there, and it kind of it gets frustrated when

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>everyone's just like, oh, the alpha boys. And I put

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.239
<v Speaker 3>on my Instagram last week saying like, no Alpha here,

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>because I didn't feel like out there I was an alpha.

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 3>It was just it was created that way as a

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.239
<v Speaker 3>narrative out there, and then it's just frustrating that that

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of just sticks. And I was working with Nina

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 3>for most of the game on stratchat what can we do,

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>what can we do next row?

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 4>Do we target? All that kind of stuff. So, but

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 4>that comes with the territory.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, you're on a reality show, it's you're

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 3>playing a game that's two things.

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 4>You're playing. The survivors a game.

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 3>You're playing the Survivors a TV show, so things are

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 3>going to get shown and things aren't.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 6>Well.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that we're in drastic need of redefining the

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>term alpha because I mean we do think alpha male,

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and we have connotations of that. But I think in

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>some of these social experiments that we see on reality television,

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, the alpha can be female, you know, I think,

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and some of the connotations have been for male I

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>think these days, and rightfully so being slightly diluted.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how they kind of looked like it was just oh,

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>the four boys, the four boys, the four boys, and

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 3>it was like it was frustrating, is my game wasn't

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 3>based around the four boys, and that's that's kind of

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 3>what the thing. Just looking back, I was like, well,

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I actually had really strong relationships with some other people.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>So well, Matt seemed like he flipped out of his

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>alliance because of destiny. It seemed like it was because

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>of destiny where Sere looks like that he always had

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>one foot out the door, you know, ready to step

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>out of that male alliance. How do you see that?

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean I was kind of in that

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 4>mode too.

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the reason why I joined up with Nina

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 3>and Sam and Liz was because I was ready to

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 3>go work with Shawnee and George if that Hailey blindside

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>had happened, I was willing to go straight across with

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Nina and Sam across there. So Sean was probably doing

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.479
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. He was trying to set up his game.

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 3>He wanted there as a shield, which we've seen to

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>then try and work his way into into the mold

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 3>that way, whether in his game. But I think Sean

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 3>and I were kind of always ones that we connected early,

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 3>and it was kind of we were talking to each

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 3>other about what we could do at certain points in

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 3>the game. And whether he was setting it up to

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 3>branch himself off, that's fine because that's just survivor. Matt

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 3>was one that I thought, you, like you said, was

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 3>a surprise that he flipped, But I was definitely ready

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 3>to branch off from that, and that's the whole reason

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 3>why I joined up with Liz and Nina to do that.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 3>We were ready to make a move and kind of

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 3>blow up that whole stick around us four boys.

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, the tides can turn very quickly on Australian Survivor,

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, and had Liz not really suspected the plan.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, had she not have given that idol to Shane,

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 1>I think the Knight would have played out, you know,

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>quite differently for you.

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Matt and Haley both flipped on us, So information must

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>have been fed back at some point that the votes

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 3>were on Shining because those two flipped on us.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 4>So I wonder if if that was the case. I mean,

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 4>we'll never know.

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes we will, because we'll hunt them down and we'll

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>make them tell us.

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they can make and stay at one point,

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 3>whether they told them that our inside information that we

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 3>were going on Shannie. So I still kind of wanted

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 3>to potentially have that if I survived last night'spot the

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 3>flushing Lizer's idol, but telling her to play it on Shannie, I.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 4>Kind of still wanted to work with her a little bit.

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 3>But I didn't know whether she was fully over with George,

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 3>and you kind of questioned and second guess that when

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 3>you're out there, you don't kind of fully know until

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 3>obviously you watch it back.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 4>It's very easy.

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 3>But in that moment, I didn't know because Liz and

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 3>I four days earlier, I had a great plan and

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:27.240
<v Speaker 3>we were working together.

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>So I just wanted to know how much you guys

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>had suspected Hayley's ongoing alliance with George. I mean, they

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>were coordinating conversations throughout the whole series since the start,

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>with all of those challenges. You know, they were passing

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>information back and forward. Were they getting away with that?

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, was that really being gotten away with? Like

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>had you seen any of that kind of communication going on?

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you see it in stibits, But also while they're communicating,

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 7>you're trying to find someone to communicate with too, So

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 7>like in that one stage, I was hugging Flicking to

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 7>a point.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Thirty seconds at that time when I'm I was telling

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 3>Flick about the idol and passing the idol, And so

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 3>in that moment, I can't look at any other conversations

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 3>because I'm so thrilled in mine, and it's difficult. Like

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I'd give Hailey credit. Haley played it very well. Looking

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 3>back now, it's easy to go she was over selling it.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 3>But for us at camp, Hailey was telling us a lot.

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to work with George. I can't play

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 3>with George.

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 4>I want to get him out.

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 3>All this kind of stuff, and she was very much

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 3>selling the fact that she just wouldn't want to work

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 3>with him, and watching back now and thinking about it,

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 3>you're like, hang on, she was just way overselling that,

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 3>and I should have really questioned that relationship and that dynamic,

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 3>because yeah, you're like, hang on, she told us like

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 3>ten days in a row. It's like, well, you're really

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 3>trying to sell it to her. So I think if

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I went in again and ever played it again, I

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 3>would really try and trust my gut and really second

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 3>guess what people are.

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Saying to me.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And because at moments in the game, I really thought

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 3>things were happening that in the end were happening, but

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 3>I didn't trust my gut and go after it. And

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 3>that was kind of one of them where I was like,

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 3>hang on, Hailey's doing this. I think there might be

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 3>something there, But really I just kind of accepted what

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 3>she was saying for face vality.

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It's so easy to do though. Actually, the other thing

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, Simon, you know, such a

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 1>big player and so many people talking about him as

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the series goes on. You know, he's kind of like

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>the likable doofers. If you ask me, what do you

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>think is going to happen for him. I mean, how

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>is he going to stand up and move beyond you know,

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 1>his position that he's in now?

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I love Simon. He's a great person.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 3>You're kind of write in that regard to me, That's

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 3>how I would describe as one of those mates you

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 3>have that you absolutely love, but that every now and

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 3>then they just make mistakes and you're just like, you

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 3>just shake your head and you're like, mate, what are

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 3>you doing?

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 4>Like why are doing that?

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 3>He's that type person you've always finds himself in situations

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 3>that are detrimental to him. I love it, but he's

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 3>got great intentions. It's like it's oh, you just you

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of get frustrated. But he's always going to be

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 3>a great mate, that kind of that kind of person.

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.240
<v Speaker 3>So he just always finds himself in a difficult situation.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 3>And as I said, I love him. He plays with

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 3>his heart on his sleeve. He's a very emotional person.

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 4>He makes moves and.

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 3>They might backfar against him, and somehow he's lasted this

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 3>long in the game by being kind of on that

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 3>bottom for a fair while. So you have to give

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 3>him credit for that is who he is. You know

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 3>who is, and I really enjoy him. Some people don't

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 3>like him.

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 4>Love him. I love him.

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed like I just when he makes

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the stupid mistakes, I hit my head, I smacked the television.

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm rooting for him. And when I say, Deputy,

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>do for this, I'm not saying that in a negative way.

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of you know, it's that Barney fire

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>fish kind of role that he plays that almost makes

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>him more likable. Anyway, we're running out of time. I

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>need to ask you these last two quick questions. Who

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>do you think is going to win? Not what you

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>know now, but when you left the tribal council, who

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>did you think is going to take this competition out.

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 3>George is obviously playing the best game at the moment,

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 3>but usually they strong players, no one wants to take

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 3>him to the final three, So I don't think georgiall win.

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Liza's building, like you said, a strong resume. Nita is

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 3>very strategic that I think she's She's a strong strap player,

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 3>and I think she's slowly building as it's going on too.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 3>So out of those two could could win, depends what

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of Sean does from here, whether he kind of

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.879
<v Speaker 3>turns villainous and keeps himself in the game, he's got

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 3>the idol up his sleeve, that could be a great

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 3>play for him. So he's one of them. So maybe

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 3>one of those three could probably win. I don't think

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 3>George because he's no one want to take him to

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 3>the final tribal.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I've been asking everyone this and it's been really quite interesting.

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Would you ever return to the show, and have you

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>thought about the possibility of what kind of a theme

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>would work for you?

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt one hundred percent, I would go back

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 3>on like you could ask me, and I would say

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 3>yes before you even finished asking the question. I absolutely

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 3>loved it out there. I can't even talk about how

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 3>much I would love to go back on there. It's

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.880
<v Speaker 3>it's such a good experience out there.

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I would I.

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Would be a little bit more ruthless, but not to

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 3>the point where I'm detrimental to my game. I know

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 3>my strengths and I know where where I don't want

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 3>to kind of put my shoot myself in the foot.

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 3>So I would love to go back out there and

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 3>play it and do that. And I forgot your said question,

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 3>what you're.

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Saying, well, I mean what is the theme, and I

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>mean they're running out of time, so I feel like

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I can give you an option the theme. It would

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>be AFL versus and AFL versus n RL. Yeah you

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>can tell that I'm from Victoria anyway, AFL versus NRL.

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, whatever the theme would be, I'd love

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 3>to be out there.

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't care what it is. I'd just love to

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 4>play again.

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 3>It's seriously one of the best experiences you can have

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 3>in the world, and obviously not many people get to

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 3>experience it, and I will do it again to heartbeat.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being so generous with your

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>time and unpacking this. It's just been so amazing to

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 1>chat with you. And if you want to raise some

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>money for charity, I'm pretty sure you can put those

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 1>pink speeders online.

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm doing I'm doing Laps for Life for our march,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 3>so the speedos will be on in the pool.

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 4>So you've seen a bit more of that.

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>How do people how could people support you with that? Like,

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>how do we.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Apps for Life? I'm on there.

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 3>It's for youth suicide and mental health. So starting tomorrow

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 3>in March one so I'm going to be putting on

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 3>my Instagram tomorrow as of tomorrow linked to help donate.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a good cause, you're a good man, and

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate, really appreciate the chat.

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 4>No, thank you so much. Ben.

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>As you can tell, I absolutely love David. I think

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 1>he is such a lovely guy. Finally, I have Flick

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.839
<v Speaker 1>here to talk about her return to the franchise, and

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you will also find out how close Flick really is

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to George and Hayley in real life. So let's get

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 1>into this. Let's bring her in now. I hope you

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>enjoy this chat with Flick. Hi, Flick, how are you?

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm good? Thank you?

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 3>How are you?

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing very well. Survivor again, we need to stop

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>meeting like this.

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yep, Survivor around two. Here we are back for

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 5>some more suffering slash fun times.

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.760
<v Speaker 1>One of these two experiences compare, I mean from watching

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:54.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've watched both, and they seem like they've

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>gone down quite differently. Yeah.

0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 5>Look, obviously, my first time playing I did pretty amazing

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 5>considering the circumstances, making it all the way through to

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 5>the end, and then this time, Look didn't make it

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 5>as far, but we still made merged.

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 6>We're on the jury so cut, there's nothing to be

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 6>scoffed about.

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 5>Like, I'm still pretty proud of my proud of how

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 5>I played, and yeah, super grateful to get the opportunity

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 5>to come back and play a second time.

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing that the production team was so good

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 1>with you with what happened last time, and then with

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Survive you get different production teams. Do the experiences feel

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>different because there was different crews?

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but we also had a few crew from that

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 5>same season working with Hero vivilin season and you know,

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 5>so there is familiar faces there, but yeah, they're there

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 5>to do their job and obviously considering the circumstances when

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 5>you lose your mum on a filming a reality TV show. Yeah,

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 5>they were just incredible, Like, you know, they did the

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 5>most just to make sure that I was okay. But

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 5>to be honest, I was really looking forward to coming

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 5>back and it being just the survivor experience this time

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 5>round and where I didn't have to worry about that

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 5>and it wasn't on the back of my mind because

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 5>you know that first time playing, I literally was just

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 5>putting one foot in front of the other. End, just

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.399
<v Speaker 5>you know, waking up each day like.

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 6>Okay, another day, like let's see how we can get

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 6>through this one.

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 5>Whereas this time round, like I was just there to

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 5>play the game, like and I was so excited to

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 5>play on a beach in Samoa, you know, being a surfer,

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 5>that's just like the best place in the world for me.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, no, I I was actually very excited for

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 5>it just to be the survivor experience.

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, you know you mentioned there about those conditions

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>and that you want to go to Samoa. How different

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>were they? I mean, was one climate more manageable than

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the other?

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the outpack was a lot easier in terms of climate,

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 5>like it was. You know, it's still really hard and

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 5>they both have their challenges. But Samoa, man, that rain wow,

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.760
<v Speaker 5>Like it's I think it's probably one of the greenest

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 5>places on Earth. I remember once once we learn on

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 5>that beach and you just see how green everything is.

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 5>And I've done a lot of traveling to tropical islands

0:44:58.080 --> 0:44:59.959
<v Speaker 5>over my time, like that's where some of the best

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 5>and the world is. And I've seen green islands, but

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 5>let me tell you, I haven't seen an island as

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 5>green as smoller and that means one thing.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 6>That means a lot of rain, and those.

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 5>Cars like, oh and literally, you know, day one rains,

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 5>day two rains, fast water, day thirty something. Rain every

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 5>single day, like every day, and it's just to the

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 5>point where it's a bit demoralizing, like everything's wet, everything stinks,

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 5>everything's damp, nothing properly dries. The sun comes out for

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 5>a bit and you're all like lizards, like going to

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 5>the rocks in the ocean and just trying to soak.

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 6>Up whatever you can.

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 5>But you know, as soon as it rains at night,

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 5>like you try and waterproof that shelter, and even with

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 5>a tarp, like the tarp doesn't fit over the whole shelter,

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 5>so there's not like enough room for everyone to be

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 5>under that tarp, and you know it's not waterproof, and

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.279
<v Speaker 5>it's just it's almost like a form of like slow

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.800
<v Speaker 5>torture just having all these drips like on your head.

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 6>And you know, so out back was hard.

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 5>We had forty five degree days and then like six

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 5>to green nights, like I was freezing in the outback

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 5>but at night time. But yeah, it was just almost

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 5>think get rained for thirty seconds in the outback and

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 5>we were all like, oh my god, this is the

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 5>worst thing ever. And then fast forward to Samhara and

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 5>it rained every day and.

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Your skin is rotting and you feel like, yeah, you

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 1>are the mold.

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 6>Yes, exactly exactly.

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:16.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was going to ask you as well,

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>off the back of something we were just talking about before.

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, had you been thinking that you would return

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to Survivor in between these seasons? Because I thought that

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>when I spoke to you last time, I saw you

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>returning to the show more than I saw Haley and

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 1>George returning. Had you been thinking, Okay, this is going

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to happen, and what has that journey been like in

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>your head in between seasons?

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I did think that there would be a chance, obviously,

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 5>with the circumstances and the story and that everything that happened,

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 5>and you know, I guess the resilience that I showed

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 5>and also what you said, you know, my experience was

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 5>tainted in a way that I didn't properly get the

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 5>Survivor experience I wanted. You know, I was thinking that

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 5>they would be that chance. I just never thought it

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 5>would come aroun round so soon. It was literally like

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 5>thirteen months I think in between playing, so like a

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 5>year and a month, you know, and I wow, I

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 5>just I didn't think it would come around so soon.

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 5>And when it did, you know, I was like, okay, wow,

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Like I was instantly it was a yes, because like

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 5>I just felt like, yeah, I didn't get that proper

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 5>survivor experience the first time I played.

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 6>I didn't have to think about it too long.

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough for you, you're one of the people that and

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about gameplay here, you're one of the people

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>who I wonder if returning works because you know, people

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 1>seemed very dubious of your social game. It's like Flick,

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh she's got the social game, you know, where the

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>first time around, you know, you people like, oh, I

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>love Flick and I'll trust her, do you know what

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they didn't really see. Yes, a different side.

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 5>To that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And like, but

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 5>the thing is is, like, look, I don't want to

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 5>sound like I'm suiting my own horn here, but I

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.360
<v Speaker 5>just do get along with a lot of people, like

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 5>I think, and that comes back to what I do

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 5>as a job. You know, I've been traveling the world

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 5>since I've been sixteen years old, and I guess like

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 5>student of the world, Like, you know, you've got to

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 5>grow up pretty quickly the road you get and you

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 5>learn to communicate with anyone and have conversations with anyone

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 5>of all different backgrounds and ages. And you know, networking

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 5>is a lot of what I do as well, and

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 5>I really enjoy it. And I think that And George

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 5>kept saying it in tribal counsels and like some of

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 5>it did make it to air and some didn't. But

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 5>like he's like, you are literally the best social player

0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 5>I've seen, like and it's not coming like for me.

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 5>When you say social player, it sounds as if it's

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 5>manipulative and strategic, but it's not. It's literally me just

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 5>being me. But I just get along with everyone. I'm

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 5>genuinely interested in everybody.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 5>I ask good questions and I guess that's you know,

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 5>that's why I probably stayed in contact with so many

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 5>of these people, because like we are really good friends postseason, you.

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, And I think that that's very truman. I

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>was going to ask you that about what is it

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 1>that makes someone a good a good communicator? And you know,

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're kind of explaining that there. But I

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 1>just you can't see everything that happens on the beach.

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>No I see those conversations.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.720
<v Speaker 6>No, I think, so I'll just jump in quickly.

0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 5>But when you place that's such a social game, that's

0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 5>really hard to translate on TV, because how on earth

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 5>are they going to sit through like hours and hours

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 5>of all the time that I put to all these

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 5>different people and all the different conversations that I had,

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 5>Like it's impossible.

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 6>So like that's why I feel.

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.840
<v Speaker 5>Like sometimes, but it is a strategy to some degree,

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 5>it's just not as like cut throat as maybe George

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 5>or the strategy that he employs, because that's really easy

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.840
<v Speaker 5>storytelling to tell on screen, you know, whereas hours and

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 5>hours put into conversations is hard to translate into the edit.

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you can't. You've got a very similar face in

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>some ways to a friend of mine. You don't look

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the same, but you have very similar mannerisms. And she's

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a very social person. And so when I look at

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 1>you always, I always just think of her by association.

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I just am like, oh my god, I love Flick.

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 1>She's so lovely. And then when you hear people talk

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 1>about you differently and of course, you know, audiences are

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>going to have different relationships with different people. I'm very

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 1>defensive of you because I can see that warmth, I

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>can see that kindness, I can see your ability to

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>empathize and engage with people.

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.760
<v Speaker 5>Look, of course people look George and Shawnee and Liz.

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 5>Obviously they have this little trio, you know, and like

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 5>Shannie is like she's this is her.

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 6>Third time playing, She's been on the screens for a

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 6>long time.

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.800
<v Speaker 5>So the moment anyone goes against her, the audience is

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 5>going to be like, how dare you?

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 6>But the thing is, the way I see it is like,

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 6>hang on a second.

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 5>You know, Shoanny and Liz have big threats in this game,

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 5>and so is George, and if we can somehow break

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 5>that up, let's do it. So that was my thinking

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 5>to that. And I guess, like I got stuck in

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 5>a really precarious position tribes. What was terrible for me.

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 5>I played ten days groveling my ass off, doing whatever

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.399
<v Speaker 5>I could to stay in that game, making, you know,

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 5>making just saying whatever I could to get through. And

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 5>I guess, like, yes, exactly, thin air basically, and I

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 5>got through the skin of my teeth.

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 6>I made it to Merge.

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 5>I was look, I got stuck between her rock and

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 5>a hard place, Like I was literally damned if I

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.240
<v Speaker 5>didn't damned if I didn't, if I went with Shonnie,

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.279
<v Speaker 5>Georgia Liz, I would have pissed off my original alliance

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 5>with the boys and Nina and Hailey, like who I

0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 5>had spent eighteen days with on the original heroes, we didn't.

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 5>Keep in mind, we didn't go to tribal council that much,

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:06.240
<v Speaker 5>which means that like we didn't have like fiery tribal

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.880
<v Speaker 5>counsels like what the villains did. So these relationships I

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 5>had with these people were like really solid. And Sean

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 5>is like my secret number one out there, like we

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.399
<v Speaker 5>were with each other's number one, and I just felt like.

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't turn my back on him, you know.

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 5>And and the thing is is the edit makes you

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 5>seem like, oh, flick, how could you be so dumb?

0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 5>And how could you do that? But like with the

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 5>information that I knew and the perception of reality that

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 5>I had out there, I thought we had the numbers.

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 5>So that's why I made the decision I did, you know,

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 5>And obviously looking bad hindsight's twenty twenty and like, yeah.

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 6>I should have stayed with George, Shannie and Liz.

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 5>But at the end of the day, like you know,

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 5>these are big players, like and you know, having two

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 5>people play so closely together like Shonnie and Liz, that's

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.320
<v Speaker 5>a massive threat. So that my thinking was, as if

0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 5>we do have the numbers, which I thought we did,

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 5>let's go for one of them.

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder whether or not the nickname is right

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>because I was like, oh, I love the Spice Girls.

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I love that for them, And then now I'm like,

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 1>are they the Spices girls? Are they the mean girls?

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Like George is kind of like Regina George rightfully, so.

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, that's so funny.

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 5>Maybe in the no, look, I wouldn't say they're the

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 5>mean girls. I mean, there's a bit of sassiness going on,

0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 5>but at the end of the day, everyone's there just

0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 5>to play a game. And you know, like I am great,

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 5>great friends with everyone, Like I don't hold grudges, and

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 5>like I'm sure that they can realize and I know

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 5>they do.

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 6>We've already had conversations about it.

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 5>But like everyone knows that it's just gameplay, and like

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 5>you just do whatever you can to get through, and like,

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 5>I play Survivor to have fun and I'm not there

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 5>to like make.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 6>Mortal enemies and keep grudges.

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, why would I be doing that to myself?

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, why would I carry that baggage out of

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.359
<v Speaker 1>there when I went in there with no baggage at all?

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 6>Exactly exactly.

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, though, you know, because you've

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>been on a series with George and Haley and there's

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>history there, I wanted to know what your relationship had

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 1>been like between the two experiences, because you know, watching

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>from the outside, it looks like, you know, Haley and

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.439
<v Speaker 1>George have been quite close. Have you been involved in that? Click?

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So it's quite funny. We spent forty seven days

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 5>together in the outback. We did every single challenge together

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 5>that was possible. And since the show finished, Australia was

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 5>in lockdown and Hailey was actually living in Sydney at

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:21.399
<v Speaker 5>the time and George lives in Sydney, so they got

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 5>the chance to like catch up and be together, whereas

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:26.319
<v Speaker 5>I was stuck in West Australia. We had this super

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 5>hard border up and I couldn't leave, and with what

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 5>I do. I'm traveling and as soon as the border

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 5>did kind of loosen up a bit my career, you know,

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 5>big wave surface. So I'm traveling the world like chasing

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 5>these big waves like I and my schedule was really busy,

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 5>like I just couldn't find the time. But however, Hailey

0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 5>and George and I all stay in contact. And yet

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:50.400
<v Speaker 5>it looks like if you just take social media, like

0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 5>the base of social media, that George and Hailey have

0:53:52.600 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 5>spent a lot more time together about Haley and I

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:56.839
<v Speaker 5>talk on the phone all the time. We're catching up.

0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, we're going to each other's weddings.

0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 6>Like we're close, So George and I.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.280
<v Speaker 5>And it's funny because George and I don't play together

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.600
<v Speaker 5>like in the game, but we're like brother and sister.

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 5>We banter, we fight, we call each other up, like

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 5>I honestly like think of him like a brother. And Hailey,

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:15.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, we've got a lot we've always got along.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 6>So Haley and I actually when we landed on that.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.399
<v Speaker 5>Beach, we had like this thing we wanted to keep

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 5>our relationship with a bit of a secret, and I

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.879
<v Speaker 5>basically planned to the thing of oh no, we've never

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 5>hung out once ever before, and like we're not close

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 5>at all, Like the only time we spent together is

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, in Survivor and we didn't even play with

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 5>each other. Meanwhile, we actually are really close, but we

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 5>just wanted to keep that under wraps.

0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:38.879
<v Speaker 1>It's like you're the Lisa Cudro in the Courtney Cox

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Aniston friendship. You know, they're always they're always defending.

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 1>They're like, no, we love Lisa Kudro, you know she

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>We love her just as much as each other. But

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>because you always see Courtney Cox and Jenniferaniston together, people

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>think that Lisa Kudro is being excluded, which is not

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the case. It's just you know, how the media depicts it,

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, yes, for us, how social

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 1>media is you know, depicting it. But I was curious,

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 1>don't you think those two really got together and knew

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they were going to go to this series of Survivor

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.280
<v Speaker 1>and set out a game plan.

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Ah.

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 6>Look, I wouldn't put it past him one hundred percent.

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, they're two of the most strategical players ever

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 5>and they get along rt so like why not?

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 6>And you know, Haley.

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 5>Did do a really good job on the season though,

0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 5>of like feeding everyone on the tribe. In the on

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 5>the Original Heroes tribe, you know so many things about George, like, oh,

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 5>he's the mass manipulator.

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 6>Don't trust him for a second. He's this, is that,

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 6>he's this.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 5>So she did a good job at making it very

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.920
<v Speaker 5>clear to everyone that she would never do that. So

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 5>when she does flip, it's like, oh my god, that

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 5>no one can believe it, you know, because of what

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 5>she was saying and spreading about George.

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Well you have to do that though, I mean, if

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't want someone to think you like someone, you

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>just have to make it sound like you hate them.

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 6>Yes, exactly, exactly.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the writing was totally on the wall though, in

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that tribal council. You know, for you, was there ever

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a chance that you would have been able to survive

0:55:58.160 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that tribal council?

0:55:59.239 --> 0:55:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 5>Look, probably if I had an idol, or if Sean

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 5>would have played his idol for me, I think, yeah,

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 5>would have survived.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I think that's the only way.

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.920
<v Speaker 5>I really don't see another way out of it for me.

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 5>There was also a couple of other things that went down.

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 5>A couple other things got said by a few different

0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 5>people too, Shannee and Liz, that it just made it

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 5>impossible for me to really come out of that one alive.

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 6>I think I think I would. I just would have

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:26.320
<v Speaker 6>maded a miracle or an idol.

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I wondered also if your friendship with Liz and Shawnee

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>was total manipulation. And you kind of did answer this before,

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.480
<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's not social game. You're just getting

0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 1>along with people. But in that time that you were

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 1>hanging out with them, did you always know you were

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 1>going to throw them under the bus.

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 6>No way, I never knew that.

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:46.160
<v Speaker 5>It's just that I get along with anyone. I'll sit

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 5>there and have conversations with them. Shannie and Liz are

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 5>beautiful people, and like I know, you know, outside the game,

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 5>we're all going to catch up and we're gonna have

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 5>the best time. It's just that I people and the

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 5>public and the audience get confused that it is a

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 5>game and you need to keep trying it, you know.

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.439
<v Speaker 5>And I was very clear and going in this time

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 5>that I wanted to try and play a little bit differently,

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, I wanted to be a bit more aggressive

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:12.759
<v Speaker 5>and in terms of strategy as well, because so many

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 5>people on my first days of well athlet didn't really

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 5>have any strategy, and I'm like, yeah, okay, So the moment,

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 5>it's just so silly, you know, Like I.

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Got to understand I guess that. You know, when you're

0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.800
<v Speaker 1>watching a show like this, you want people to buy

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 1>into the magic of it, do you know what I mean?

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You want people to feel like they're a part of it.

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>And a part of that means that we're all reading

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>into things, we're all believing things to be gospeled, you know.

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean like it's a double edged sword with I

0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>know how the audience are going to watch it, where

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>for me, I was just thinking the whole time you

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>were making that alliance. I never for one second, I

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>think I even said it in one of the other

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>exit interviews. I was like, she's gonna flip, like why

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>why are they doing that? It was a big mistake. So,

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think we're all guilty of probably buying into.

0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:59.760
<v Speaker 5>The SA that's what it is, you know, And like,

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 5>of course Seannie's played. This is her third time playing,

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 5>so she's been on people's screens for so long and

0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 5>people have a relationship with her. So the moment anyone

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 5>if it was me if it was anyone turns on Shannie.

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.720
<v Speaker 5>It's the biggest thing ever because Seannie has been in

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 5>front of people's eyes for a long time, so people

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 5>do have that relationship with her. But like nothing, what

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing isn't manipulative. It's just that it's gameplay and

0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 5>I've just decided that I wanted to vote them out

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 5>because they are a big threat. Now you can call

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 5>it manipultive or not. I don't see it as manipulative.

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 5>I see it as Yes, they're still my mates, and

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 5>I know, like we've already chatted postings and we're fine.

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 6>Like I just know, I.

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 5>Know what I do, and I don't really care what

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 5>other people say, Like good on them if they think

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:46.160
<v Speaker 5>I manipulated people, like keep thinking of that.

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it's not that I think, you know, interestingly,

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was ten years ago now, but I

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 1>did Big Brother, and I played Big Brother like Survivor,

0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and Big Brother at that stage wasn't like Survivor that

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it is now.

0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It was more about being friends and you know, having

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a laugh and being silly where I was literally counting

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone's heads every night and manipulating people and it was

0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted I wanted to win the money, and

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I won because I was playing the game like that.

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But people called me a bully, people called me a

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>bitch like people were saying that, and I'm like, well,

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really that in real life, because that was

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.000
<v Speaker 1>just to do with the fact that I gave myself

0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 1>up to the gameplay, Like.

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 5>You're seeing Pluddy one, like like, what what am I

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 5>on screen for maybe five minutes out of a whole episode,

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.120
<v Speaker 5>ten minutes out of a whole episode, and you're gonna

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 5>make you You're going to form your opinion of me

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 5>from Matt Like, that's pretty silly.

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say, though, I have to say, with

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Sean knowing he had that idol and watching your relationship

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>with Sean through that episode, I really felt like he

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>should have played that idol for you, Like yeah, yeah,

0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to me, the fact that you ran up to each

0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>other and you had the sort of heroes return to

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 1>each other, and you know, I just was like, oh,

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.600
<v Speaker 1>he really needs to save you. So I think that

0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 1>was really hard. I mean, that was brutal to watch

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<v Speaker 1>as an audience, but you know, it's gameplay, Yeah it is.

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<v Speaker 6>That's gameplay. Too.

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<v Speaker 5>And look if the shoe was on the other foot

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<v Speaker 5>and I was sitting there with an idol, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if it's a big deal to play an idol

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<v Speaker 5>for someone else and not yourself because and it's risky.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, that could backfire on you. Then it exposes

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<v Speaker 5>our relationship and all this, like there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 5>think about.

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<v Speaker 6>And look, I don't blame him.

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<v Speaker 5>He did message me last night being like, oh blig, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so sorry I.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We should.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's like I wish, I wish I played

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<v Speaker 5>it for you. But you know, I don't blame him

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<v Speaker 5>because like he's probably gonna he knows now he's in

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<v Speaker 5>a minority, he's going to need that down the line.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, I don't blame him. We're at the

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<v Speaker 6>point point the end of the game. It's individual now.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you how do you see Nina and

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<v Speaker 1>Sean really coming out from underneath this? I mean, do

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<v Speaker 1>you foresee? This is my thought process is that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see two groups fractioned into three, and the

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<v Speaker 1>third the group that merges, like the group that forms

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<v Speaker 1>out of these two will become the dominant one. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of how Nina and Sean could survive. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that's gonna How do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>Nina and Sean can come out from underneath this O?

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<v Speaker 5>Man Ah, I think it's going to take a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of luck, and I think it's there's so many moving

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<v Speaker 5>parts of this game and but eventually, look to be honest,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't see this Spice Girls alliance cracking. I just

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<v Speaker 5>think they're so strong. But I think that eventually there

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<v Speaker 5>has to be right and eventually they're gonna have the

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<v Speaker 5>snake has to eat itself, like it's going to have to,

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<v Speaker 5>and so there's got they're gonna need people like Nina

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<v Speaker 5>and Sean to make big moves to get rid of

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<v Speaker 5>other people. So I think it's not all over for them,

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<v Speaker 5>Like there's definitely still there is going to be still

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<v Speaker 5>game play left.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just you know, it's just if they can stick in.

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<v Speaker 5>There long enough to see those people move around, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Who have to wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm looking at Sam and Matt equally and thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I've got them in a different category because I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, are they just pawns for people to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of? Like I mean, I don't necessar I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>know if they are serious contenders to win this show

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<v Speaker 1>at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>It definitely seems that way right now. I and I

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<v Speaker 5>see what you're saying. But like I said that, you

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<v Speaker 5>know that Spy Skills Alliance, even that they oh the Vigilantes,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, they seem strong right now, and they seem

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<v Speaker 5>like they're not going to crack. But the cracks will

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<v Speaker 5>have to form, because that's the nature of the show.

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<v Speaker 5>If someone goes home every second night and you know

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<v Speaker 5>there has to be there's not not going to be,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, so it's going to get interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>That's all I say.

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<v Speaker 1>So lovely chatting to you, but every I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the end of this because otherwise, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking to a lot of people today. I'm asking everyone, though,

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<v Speaker 1>who do you think is going to win? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want to know what you may know now.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know where you're headed. Was that when

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<v Speaker 1>you walked out of that tribal council, Like, who did

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<v Speaker 1>you think at that point when you snuffed your torch? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you think was going to take this out?

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<v Speaker 5>So I think, Look, I think George is playing an

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<v Speaker 5>amazing game I think at this point I've walked out, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's playing incredible. He's like super masterminds, so strategic.

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<v Speaker 5>The way he's making decisions like on the fly like

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<v Speaker 5>that is just incredible, and how he's able to think

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<v Speaker 5>so many moves ahead. I just don't know, because he's

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<v Speaker 5>such a big threat, if you know, if he's really

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<v Speaker 5>gonna last that long because he is such a big threat,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I'd like to see him get a win

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<v Speaker 5>because he is incredible and like he deserves it. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think the underdog for me is someone like Nina,

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<v Speaker 5>because Nina is playing a game that hasn't gotten much airtimelate,

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<v Speaker 5>and she puts so much into it.

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<v Speaker 6>She's such a great thinker, she plays.

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<v Speaker 5>An incredible social game, and she's just like, Yeah, Nina

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<v Speaker 5>for me is definitely one to watch.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't think we've seen enough of that gameplay yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to ask, would you ever return to

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<v Speaker 1>the show And do you know what sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>theme you would need to return with? Have you thought, God,

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<v Speaker 1>they could easily have me back, Sean, He's done it

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<v Speaker 1>three times, Like, what sort of a theme do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that they could rope you into?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh look, I mean, i'd love to look if I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to go and play again.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just it's going to be hard for.

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<v Speaker 5>Me with my focus being on my career and big

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<v Speaker 5>wave surfing and that is my sole focus.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like the last two years.

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<v Speaker 5>Because of lockdown and being in Western Australia and COVID,

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<v Speaker 5>I had the opportunity to play Survivor because my surfing

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<v Speaker 5>took a bit of a back seat because I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Travel the world doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, right, and that allowed me to That allowed me

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<v Speaker 5>to Yeah, so that allowed me to play Survivor, which

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<v Speaker 5>has been incredible. It's given me, like you know, best opportunities,

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<v Speaker 5>made so many friendships and an amazing experience.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, if I was to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Again and just be like I wouldn't, I'm not, like,

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<v Speaker 5>it'd just be a lot more thought go into it

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<v Speaker 5>and timing, like, you know, is this going to work

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<v Speaker 5>out with what I'm doing right now, like with my

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<v Speaker 5>big wave surfing career, because that's my number one priority

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 6>So just a little bit more thought.

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<v Speaker 5>But in terms of what I don't know, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>it definitely again, Yeah, that'd be pretty funny, flick so

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<v Speaker 5>lovely to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you came back. I'm so glad we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to see you. It kind of as an audience,

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<v Speaker 1>makes us realize that you're okay, you know, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's really good to see because we buy

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<v Speaker 1>into these people, you know. When we saw you leave

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<v Speaker 1>last time, I mean, I can only speak for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I had a lot of love in

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<v Speaker 1>my heart for you, and it's nice to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to see you come back and look happy and be happy.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Thanks for the chat.