1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: That is so fat. Thank you, Happy Friday, and welcome 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: back to Outspoken. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I think you mean welcome back to Frank the Podcast. 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I forgot that was our new name. One 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: of our listeners pointed out that there was an article 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: written in the Sydney News today and they referred to 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: our podcast as Frank the Podcast. I'm so confused where 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: that even came from, because Outspoken sounds nothing like Frank. Yeah, 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: because they also called. 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Us k Amy and Sophie Toyba, which was spelled Tybar, 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: which is like completely different to the spelling of our name. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: I have to say our name is pretty difficult to 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: spell and pronounce, though I know it sounds like the 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: they went for the very German pronunciation. I think we 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: should get into our social dilemma of the week because 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: we've had some listeners write in so there's a few 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: questions that we have. The first says, should I invite 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: a friend's boyfriend to my birthday even though he makes 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: me feel incredibly uncomfortable? Do I suck it up because 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: I want my friend there? Or do I not invite 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: her at all? She knows I don't like him. 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: I feel like you've got to work out is the 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: friend going to come even if you don't invite her 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: boyfriend because it seems like this listener thinks that they're 30 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: coming as a couple, and you know, if one doesn't come, 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: the other one go. Yeah. 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, she said that she's thinking of not inviting the 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: friends so she doesn't have to uninvite. Will not invite 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the boyfriend? 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: I feel like that's just a friendship breakdown waiting to happen, 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: because I feel like once she feels excluded, then it's 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: kind of making an issue between you and her. 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: And it's strengthening the relationship as well. 39 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 40 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: But also she said that he makes her feel uncomfortable. 41 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I wonder how he's making her feel uncomfortable. Is he 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: hitting on her? Is it just because he's rude or 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: doesn't treat the friend properly. I feel like if this 44 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: girl's your friend. You should be able to have a 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: discus with her and say, look, I really want you 46 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: to come to my party, but he makes me feel 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: a bit uncomfortable. So does he have something on that 48 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you know he can do? Rather than coming see, I 49 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: think she should just be the bigger person and just 50 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: invite him and see if he comes, because if this 51 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: guy is making her feel uncomfortable, he might actually not 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: like her and not want to come to see You 53 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: be mutual that way, you seem like the good guy. 54 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the bigger person out of it. 55 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: Well, I have to say we experienced this a little 56 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: bit with UK when you had your ex boyfriend, because 57 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: it was quite evident that Amy and I did not 58 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: get along with him. He did not like us, and 59 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: there were many situations where, you know, because he lived 60 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, he'd be coming over for the weekend and 61 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: we'd just be like, no, I don't want to spend 62 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: any time with him, because it also made us feel uncomfortable. 63 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: But it was really hard to come to you and. 64 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: Say that, well you told me all the time. 65 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: It just caused arguments and do you know what that 66 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: was the worst thing because then suddenly Sophie, and I 67 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: became the enemy rather than. 68 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: You towards the boyfriend, because then they're gonna bitch about 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: you or the friend whatever. They're going to bitch and say, oh, 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: it's not fair that they should have put you first. 71 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Or also other friends might feel sorry for the boyfriend 72 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: that's not invited, and he may then look like the 73 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: good guy out of this. 74 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: So it's a really difficult situation. I just think, I think, 75 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: invite him and see if he comes. Yeah. 76 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: The next question was should you tell your partner if 77 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: they have bad bo This is funny because because you 78 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: have bad bio. No, not because I have bad bio. 79 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I hope I don't have bad bio. But I was 80 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: using this natural deodorant for a little while and Brandon, 81 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: we were lying next to each other in bed, and 82 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: he kind of went over and sniffed my under arm. 83 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: He's like, you never want that? 84 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Could you stop using that natural stuff? Like, I'm so sorry, 85 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: but ever since you started using it really smelled like. 86 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: You just smell different. See. 87 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: I find that really confusing because I use that deodorant 88 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: and I love it, and I feel like I smell less. 89 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: It's kind of scary for me. To hear that Reeves 90 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: hasn't made it in comments, maybe I have. 91 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: To ask He's like, can you just go back to 92 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: the chemical stuff, because clearly it was doing. But I mean, 93 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a really hard topic to broach because 94 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you could broach it with a sense of humor. It's 95 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: kind of like the question of do you tell your 96 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: partner if they've got bad breath? Because with the breath 97 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: and the bo thing, I kind of think if they're 98 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: leaving to go to work and you can smell their 99 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: breath or they've got bad bo you should probably tell 100 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: them because they're going to be around other people. But 101 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: if it's kind of just a lingering sense, say you've 102 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: been on a run or something, then and there's an 103 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: obvious reason why they smell, maybe don't mention it. 104 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: I think, though, that there's a way of saying it, 105 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: because I know with the three of us, we're so 106 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: cruel to each other that when we lived together, I 107 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: remember if I'd breathe in your way like you stink, 108 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: and I'd. 109 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Be so offended, I would have never ever said that. 110 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: You could. 111 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: I could have said to you, k Oh, I'm really sorry, 112 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: but maybe you should brush your teeth. 113 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: And you would have been offended. Yeah, well, I think 114 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: last year ideal way to broach something like if your 115 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: partner's breath stunk or something and they were about. 116 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: To go out, be like, oh did you brush your teeth? 117 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Or you know what another one is? You should like, 118 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: in the case of the BeO, maybe you should just 119 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: buy them a new deodoran and say, hey, I actually 120 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: got this from the shops, not subtile at all. Sutup, 121 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: but I also think you needed it depends how long 122 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: you've been dating someone for. Because Brandon and I have 123 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: been together for almost five years, and in that situation 124 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: it was fine. Had we been going out for a year, 125 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I would have been really embarrassed. 126 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 2: It just reminded me when we were in year seven, 127 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: we did this thing called Tournament of Minds and it was 128 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: this problem solving acting thing and Amy. In Amy's group, 129 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: they had a girl that unfortunately smelled like bo and 130 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: it was kind of that awkward stage at primary school 131 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: when you're kind of going through puberty, but some girls aren't, 132 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 2: so I think some were wearing deodorants, some weren't anyway, 133 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: so this poor girl was kind of stinking the whole 134 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: room out so one of the other girls came up 135 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: with the idea that she was going to make all 136 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: everyone in order for everyone to enter the room at 137 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: the start of the day, that they'd have to spray 138 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: themselves with deodorant. So it was kind of making it 139 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: didn't make her feel singled out, which I think was 140 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: quite a clever idea for a year seven student. Yeah, 141 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: it definitely was. 142 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: The other question we had is saying no to being 143 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: a bridesmaid because it costs you your life saving. 144 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: Do one of you guys done this? 145 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: We even asked us officially, Well, you might not be 146 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: asked if this is your attitude. I feel like the 147 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: bridesmaid topic is a really awkward one because it's at 148 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: this point in your life when you can actually lose 149 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: really good friends. Why because well, one, you're pointing out 150 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: who your best friends are. You're ranking your friends. So 151 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: the fact that you're ranking people, some people are getting 152 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: upset for not being asked. Then you have a situation 153 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: where someone doesn't even want to be asked because I 154 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: don't want to spend any money. But I think it's 155 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: because it kind of anytime you bring up money in 156 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: a friendship, it does get awkward. And I think there 157 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: are no set rules in how much someone is meant 158 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: to spend as a bridesmaid. It's hard to know what 159 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: to expect. 160 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's an awkward thing for me 161 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: coming up because I've never really thought about how I 162 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: do it. I mean, I've heard backlash about from other people, 163 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: you know, having to spend too much money. 164 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: I also think, though, if you are worried that it's 165 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: going to cost too much money and you just don't 166 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: have the money to spend to be the bridesmaid, I 167 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: would just have a really open and honest discussion with 168 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: your friend about it and say, hey, I'm really flattered. 169 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: I would love to, but I'm just concerned that I 170 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: don't have the money at the moment to spend on this. 171 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it would be better than just rejecting 172 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: the role completely, because I'm sure if this person is 173 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: your friend, they're going to understand where you're coming from 174 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: and not want you to feel uncomfortable. 175 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: But also, how does this person know that it's going 176 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: to be expensive. If the bride to be is putting 177 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: off a vibe of it going to be a very 178 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: bougey expensive ordeal for you, then I do think it 179 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: should be reasonable for you to say, hey, I'm so sorry, 180 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: we're just saving for a house and I don't really 181 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: have that much money, so I want you to have 182 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: what you want for the bridesmaids, so I'm happy to 183 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: maybe play a special part in the day doing something, or. 184 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: Even offer to just pay a percentage of the dress. 185 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: You could say, hey, I'm happy to pay fifty percent, 186 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: but are you able to put the rest of the 187 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: money in. 188 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Lillian Lillian link? This one's pretty. Yeah, it's really pretty 189 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: and sweet, and you know, we don't want to upstage 190 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 2: pulling in with a big fancy dress. Maybe we should 191 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: just get something kind of simple. 192 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: The Australian Securities and Investments Commission have put influencers on 193 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: notice this week Assex Commissioner Daniel Press confirms it is 194 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: illegal for unlicensed influencers to provide financial advice. The Commissioner 195 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: urged the public to alert assex to influencers who are 196 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: straying into formal financial advice without a license. So Kate, 197 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: what exactly did the Asset Commissioner say? 198 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, Daniel Press said, if it is advice and it's unlicensed, 199 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: that is an illegal activity. We would be very interested 200 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: in that activity. If there is evidence, we would very 201 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: much appreciate it being referred to us so we can 202 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,239 Speaker 2: look at it appropriately because it is a legal activity. 203 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: The Commissioner also went on to say that unlicensed advice 204 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: was one of the topics the regulator was looking at 205 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: very closely and considering assex Chairman Joe Longo also commented, 206 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: saying social media influencers giving financial advice was an area 207 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: of big concern for the agency. 208 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Will these comments from ASEX seem to be in complete 209 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: contradiction to the comments from Financial Services Minister Jane Hume 210 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: last month, Well. 211 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: They very much are. We actually did speak about this 212 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago on the podcast, but for 213 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: those who missed it, Minister Hume compared the level of 214 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: influence of a TikTok influencer sprooking Nokia to the bloke 215 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: down at the pub sharing investment tips. 216 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: And we obviously thought this was a load of crap 217 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: when the Minister made these comments, because she was completely 218 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: ignoring how much influence these influencers and other influencers have 219 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: over society. 220 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: I mean, the name is has influence exactly. 221 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: She lost me when she was referencing Nokia, it's a 222 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: different story. Well, talking about contradictions, The Australian Financial Reviews 223 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: Wealth editor Alex Vikovich has some egg on his face 224 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: following his coverage of influences. So on June eighth he 225 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: wrote an article called Influences at War over robo advice deals. 226 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so in this article Alex really champion in the 227 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: opinions of unlicensed influencers Tash Echman and Maddie Walton, who 228 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: accused licensed financial advisor Victoria Divine of non disclosure of 229 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: financial benefits around her white label investing platform. So we 230 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: did discuss this topic in depth on a podcast last week, 231 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: so we'll link it in the show notes for those 232 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: who missed it. On this topic, I really did want 233 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: to point out that we certainly don't think Tash and 234 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: Matty need to be licensed financial advisors to share their 235 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: opinions on the marketing of the shees on the Money 236 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: investing platform. Unfortunately, some people misunderstood our stance when we 237 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: were discussing Tash and Matty's professional qualifications. So I just 238 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: wanted to point out that we discussed their status as 239 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: unlicensed as it was relevant to the broader discussion about 240 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: rules regarding unlicensed and licensed influencers, and really in the 241 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: wake of a six deeming unlicensed influencers providing financial advice 242 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: as illegal, it is rather interesting that their opinions on 243 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: a licensed financial advisors product were championed in this AFI article. 244 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting is Alex ended up writing a 245 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: small article for the Australian Financial Review about the recent 246 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: revelations from ASK, which was entitled ACIK takes aim at Influencers. 247 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: And it's really interesting to note the size of the article. 248 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: It was so tiny in comparison, there was no photo. 249 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: It was literally in the corner of the newspaper that 250 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: no one would even look at. 251 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: Well for someone who's worked as a journalist, generally, if 252 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: you're having to apologize or go back on something that 253 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: was incorrect, you were supposed to publish an article that 254 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: is the same size. 255 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: You can't just but it. But it wasn't a retraction. 256 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: It was just I know it's not a retraction, but 257 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: I almost feel like it is, because how can you 258 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: champion one thing in one publication and then go back 259 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: and say something different. But it's just that it's based 260 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: on the minister's comments, so it's not a complete. It's 261 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: not him retracting his comments. But you make a good 262 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: point in that normally newspapers are meant to actually write 263 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: an article which is the same size if there is 264 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: a retraction. However, most end up writing a tiny little 265 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: article which they put in the back page of the paper. 266 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: And this is what it looked like. So to me, though, 267 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: I found it rather interesting that this wasn't a bigger article, 268 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: because I feel like this is a really big deal 269 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: and he could have really promoted this a lot, because 270 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: everyone's discussing this and everyone's been calling out for influencers 271 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: to be regulated. 272 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: I can imagine it would have been quite embarrassing for 273 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: Alex considering the newsletter he published last week as well. 274 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine he didn't enjoy printing Essex's commentary, 275 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: particularly after he praised the new Breeder financial influencers for 276 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: their positive intentions and valuable insights in his AFR newsletter 277 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: called Wealth Generation. So in the newsletter, Alex said it's 278 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: not correct to say all unlicensed commentators should be discounted 279 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: or that all licensed advisors should be trusted. In the 280 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: same newsletter, he actually slammed our podcast. So he said 281 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: the nasty comments about the young women who dared to 282 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: call out Victoria, Divine and six Park for lackluster disclosure, 283 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: as well as in accuracies about our own coverage. He 284 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: also claimed he had requested clarification to the podcast as publisher, 285 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: who he noted as Wholer Media, which for those who 286 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: don't know his aiming Sophie's pr business. 287 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: Now, can I say I did receive an email from Alex, 288 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: It was actually in my spam mail as I've never 289 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: actually engage with him before. 290 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: How the media is not connected to podcast at all, 291 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: It is not in saying that I was also on 292 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: a week's leave. 293 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: Well, I thought Alex's comments were pretty interesting because to 294 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: me it seemed like but he had a bit of 295 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: internalized misogyny going on because he was quick to label 296 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: a female led podcast commentary as nasty, yet he had 297 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: nothing to say about Glenn James's comments, who was lovely 298 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: and appeared on the podcast. He had a lot of 299 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: interesting things to say, yet his commentary was quite similar 300 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: to ours, and he has since appeared on Glenn James's podcast. 301 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: It seems to be odd well talking about Glenn James, 302 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: as you said, Alex actually. 303 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: Did appear on the My Millennial Money podcast and he 304 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: was there to talk about essex targeting influences, and he 305 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: actually used the opportunity to open up about his article 306 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: Influences at War, which we spoke about before. So during 307 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: the interview he disclosed that Unlicensed Influences, Tash and Maddie 308 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: came to him with their criticism of Victoria Devine's white 309 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: label investing platform. 310 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: What was really interesting here is he actually referred to 311 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: Tash and Maddie as whistleblowers. 312 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: This is what he said. 313 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: I think, you know, the reason that I have been supportive, 314 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: i'd say recently more than others in the media around 315 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: some of these influences, partly because I think that in 316 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: the case that you're talking about, you know, you had 317 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: a couple of young women there with growing social media 318 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: profiles who were simply you know, criticizing a product and 319 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: then bring it to the attention of the press, which, 320 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: you know, to explain my own biases, any journalists worth 321 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: their salt would always support a whistleblower and would come 322 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: in to support them and wouldn't have them be you know, 323 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: publicly bullied if they were helpful in terms of trying 324 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: to provide information that may or may not be in 325 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: the public interest. 326 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: Right. 327 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: Firstly, I've really found Alex's decision to use the term 328 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: whistleblower rather interesting because I feel like it's quite a 329 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: loaded word in the journalism industry. So, for those unaware, 330 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: the definition of a whistle blower is a person who 331 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: informs on a personal organization regarded as engaging in an 332 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: unlawful or immoral activity. So I just found it weird 333 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: that that's how he liked to refer to Tash and Maddie. 334 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also outed them as being the sources 335 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: of his story because I think there were question marks 336 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: over whether Alex went to the girls or whether the 337 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: girls came to him, And what it's evident is that 338 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: those girls came to Alex with a story which gives 339 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: them a motive in terms of wanting to portray Victoria 340 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: Divine in a certain way. 341 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that the girls have kind of 342 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: been pushing the fact that, oh no, we were just 343 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: sort of talking on our platform to make other people 344 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: aware that these are sort of the loopholes and that 345 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: the language and marketing is a little bit confusing. 346 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: However, that's not what the article was about No. 347 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,359 Speaker 2: It's quite clear that these women went to the AFR 348 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: after they published a very positive article about Victoria's investing 349 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: platform to be negative about it. 350 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: It isactly right, and I think that's one of the 351 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: points that we brought up in our podcast last week, 352 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: that we were questioning the motives of why you would 353 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: do that. And obviously there are many whistleblowers who do 354 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: go on and question the behaviors of some companies, people 355 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: go out and expose people. But at the end of 356 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: the day, it was clear that there had been no 357 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: wrongdoing on Victoria's behalf. 358 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: Well, particularly when Victoria did clear up the issue on 359 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: Maddie's Instagram account and also then went to add additional 360 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: comments to her podcast where she outlined everything about the 361 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: investing platform. So that's why I found it really confusing, 362 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: because I do think there was a lot of hiding 363 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: behind oh No, but we're just trying to do it 364 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: for the good. And I did find it a little 365 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: bit vindictive that they went directly to the journalists to 366 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: create a slam piece. 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: But there seemed to be a narrative that all they 368 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: were doing were answering people's questions about the app. But 369 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: it's clear as you said that they actually. 370 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: Went to the AFI with this story yeap and created 371 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: negativity around it. 372 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 5: Run from my pages. You need to pack up your 373 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 5: sad little box sty and your crocs and fuck off. 374 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 5: Who are you that you think it? Unfollow would also 375 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: give me two flag just unfollown disappear. Did they give 376 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 5: a fuck? Unfollowed leave We'll never see you again, phenomenal. 377 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 5: We didn't want you here in the first place. We 378 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 5: don't want you here now, we want you here in 379 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: the future. You are ruining the vibe that we have 380 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 5: going on shore, saying. 381 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: In a rather interesting twist, Influencer Addis Paul has revealed 382 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: what happened to cryptocurrency hush Coin, which he was promoting 383 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: just four weeks ago. So in a recent Q and 384 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: a on his Instagram story, he was asked, what is 385 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: happening to hush cooin? You played us So we did 386 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: speak about this on the podcast about a month ago, 387 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: so for those who missed it, we will put a 388 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: link in the show note. So, basically, the Paul family 389 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: were promoting a new cryptocurrency token called hush coin, so 390 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: at us alongside his sister Anna and girlfriend Mikayla tester, 391 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: who all have millions of followers across TikTok, Instagram and 392 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: only fans. They shared posts promoting the coin on Instagram. 393 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: Last month, he shared a screenshot of his bank account 394 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: with the figure forty eighty two hundred and nineteen dollars. 395 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: He wrote that thirty eight two hundred and nineteen dollars 396 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: was profit from a ten K investment in harsh coin. So, 397 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: he said, I have been researching crypto for a long 398 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: long time, ten plus hours a day. I have made 399 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: my family so much effing money this year. You've all 400 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: been asking for it. So it's time to share this 401 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: shit with everyone. Private group launching tonight. Do not sleep 402 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: on this. He then followed it up by sharing a 403 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: message that someone had apparently sent him, saying, bro, I've 404 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: made eleven k from coins you've posted. 405 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: It gets a bit disturbing because Addas, who has no 406 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: background in finance other than googling cryptocurrency, started up a 407 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: private OnlyFans account called crypto ball runs, So if you 408 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: want to subscribe to his OnlyFans, it cost you forty 409 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: nine ninety nine a month to access what he calls 410 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: is every must have coin to add to your portfolio, 411 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: and he also provides daily updates on coins that he's recommending. 412 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: It appears is that there are some pretty dissatisfied followers 413 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: who have taken Addis and his family's advice on board, 414 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: and they did question him in the recent Q and A. 415 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: This is what he had to say in response. 416 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 6: They played us, Okay, we were promised that there was 417 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 6: going to be a lot of big celebrities doing a 418 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 6: lot of marketing, and they were gonna be a real 419 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 6: big coin. They're gonna be a coin that's there to stay, 420 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 6: not just another moonshot coin. And I thought believe what 421 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 6: they told me. I believe they were a real coin. 422 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 6: And what happens. We were the big celebrities that posted 423 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 6: about it. There were some other flop like Instagram people 424 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 6: posting about it. They didn't do a thing to it. 425 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 6: We bumped it up. They put our faces on that 426 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 6: fucking bullshit coin. And there was other people that got 427 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 6: in early and they promoted and everything. They were pulling 428 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 6: out thirty thousand dollars out of that shit, and we 429 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 6: were watching like what is happening. We pulled out at losses. 430 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 6: I invested my own money. I lost money on that shit. 431 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 6: With everyone, So fuck them. That's the last and only 432 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 6: time I'm ever taking anyone's word for a coin. When 433 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 6: they come up to me. You're saying this is going 434 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 6: to be a good coin. If anyone does that to you, 435 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 6: don't believe them. We got fucked over. Don't ever try 436 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 6: to approach us with a bullshet again. This is the 437 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 6: last time I'm ever talking about it. 438 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: Next. I find this quite laughable because he is promoting 439 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: himself as someone who researches cryptocurrency ten hours a day, 440 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: and he's so across it that he's got his own 441 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: OnlyFans account with people are signing up forty nine to 442 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 2: ninety nine a month. However, then he's saying he's been 443 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: duped by this crypto coin currency company. It's like, well, 444 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: hang on, if you're going to put your name and 445 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: face to something, wouldn't you have been doing a bit 446 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: of this research into it, And wasn't that what everybody 447 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: assumed was happening. 448 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: Yes, this cryptocurrency was trying to get a lot of 449 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: big names on board to bump up the value of 450 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: the currency, and then everyone would pull out their funds 451 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and just the people who'd. 452 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: Invested with screwed. Wasn't that the thought there's a pump? 453 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: And But the other thing that is so clear is 454 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: that this was an ad and that they were approached 455 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: to do it. 456 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 2: So if they were. 457 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: Approached and paid money to promote hush coin, why did 458 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: they not have any ad to signs disclosed? 459 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: Its exactly exactly. 460 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: And sorry to interrupt you, Kate. What I also find 461 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: interesting is he's sitting there claiming that they've lost all 462 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: of this money from hush coin. We I'd like to 463 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: know how much money you were paid to promote hush. 464 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: Coins exactly And also so okay, he brags about how 465 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: much money he has, so potentially losing ten thousand dollars 466 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: on an investments not much for him, but for the young, 467 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: impressionable followers that would have taken his advice, they might 468 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: be losing their whole life savings or a very big 469 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: portion of money that means a lot to them. I 470 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: do find this story particularly interesting in light of what 471 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: Acid has said around influencers and influencers who are promoting 472 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: financial advice, because I feel like, surely we're not going 473 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: to be seeing cryptocurrency promoted in Australia for much longer 474 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: by influencers. Well, what was quite disturbing is in the 475 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: Q and A later on, he also answered another question 476 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: about investing in cryptocurrency, and he was urging people to 477 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: continue with it. 478 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, he's just still spooking the same bullshit. 479 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: Who have we under here, Mackenzie, sir, let me get yes. 480 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: No one saw how this happened. 481 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: I suppose you tripped. 482 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: What happened about to grass? 483 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: Are you? 484 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: Sir? There's one thing no one likes. It's a grass. 485 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: So I will ask you how this happened and you 486 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: will reply I tripped, sir. 487 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: If no one reported crimes, the justice system will collapse, 488 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: and I'll ask you again, how did this happen? 489 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: I tripped. 490 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: This week, influencer Talia Scaines revealed she has a new 491 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: business venture in place to protect her should he influence 492 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: her career abruptly end. She made the confession during a 493 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Q and A with boyfriend Mitch Third. Let's have a 494 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: listen to what Talia said. 495 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: Do you have a bit worried about the uncertainty slash 496 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: security of being self employed? I like that question, but no, 497 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: not at all. 498 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: We've put things in place that you can't say Instagram 499 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: ever did itself that we can. We've got this really 500 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: I don't want to you're talking about other things. Yeah, 501 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: we've got this really cool. 502 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: You can't say there's another. 503 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: It's Instagram or any sort of platform went down. That 504 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: would be all kind of gravy. So that's exciting. That'd 505 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 4: be here in the next month or two. So maybe 506 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 4: not one months, two months. It's gonna be. 507 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: Going to. 508 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 4: Only people in Australia who have got this scum, which 509 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 4: is really exciting, So keep your eyes out for that. 510 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: So what do you guys think this new venture could be. 511 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: Because they've already got Third Fixed the drink bottle company. 512 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: They've also got a hoodie and Loue loungewear line. Yeah, 513 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: they've got their. 514 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: Villa in Bali, and I mean, I know Talie has 515 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: brought out her own bikini through another range. 516 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: And an app, and she had a travel app. Yeah, 517 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean they're obviously very clever people. 518 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: I know that Mitch is really big on sustainability, like 519 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: he drives around in a Tesla and his drink bottle 520 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: company is based on reducing plastic bottles. I feel like 521 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: he's a bit of an entrepreneur, so I reckon it 522 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: would be in that sustainability market. He did say, it's 523 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: something that we haven't got in Australia yet. 524 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: So you do think it's a product, not a service 525 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: of any well, I think whatever it is, it will 526 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: be rooted in sustainability. Can I just say I do 527 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: actually like Tylia and Mitch because I feel like they 528 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: always bring it in their Q and as I mean, 529 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: you could see Mitch he started to pick something off 530 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: his foot in the middle level. 531 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: It wasn't something he picked off his little tone and 532 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: then I proceeded to flick it onto her jewelry and 533 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: you could tell she was quite disgusted. I mean, I 534 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: was discussed. 535 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than finding tonas I mean, I don't 536 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 1: want to embarrass my boyfriend here, but we were we 537 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: were moving a lounge upstairs because our peeting is not 538 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: working at the moment. Anyway, I pulled off the cushion 539 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: covers and I just found this collection of tone now 540 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and we've started under the pillow, and he claimed, oh, 541 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how they got there. I then pulled 542 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: up the other cushion and they were more that actually 543 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: makes me feel physically, So that is so disgusting look 544 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: that is beyond discussion. What I don't get is how 545 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: do why do boys rip them off or bite them off? 546 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: I feel like there's nothing in my your toenails with 547 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: a nice clip. 548 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: I think it's because you don't find yourself gross, you 549 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 550 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: But the thing is to put him in the bin though, 551 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: purpose around hiding the toenails in a spot. Remember someone 552 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: I know in Melbourne, her best friend. She decided she 553 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: had a spot in her car where if she picked 554 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: her nose she would have a booger spot that. I'm like, 555 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: this was a twenty five year old woman that was 556 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: doing so I want to pick up a tissue. Oh disgusting. 557 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 558 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: We do hope you enjoy today's episode. 559 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: I hope you weren't eating breakfast while I was discussing. 560 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: The tonail look and no one mentioned the tone. Nothing 561 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: in the Facebook community because I'm paranoid that Brand's going 562 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: to find. 563 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: Out about it. I'm not a member of the comit not, 564 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: but I don't want to get him back. Do you 565 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: know what's funny? We need to give Reese's brother Ryan 566 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: a shout out because he seems to be the only 567 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: person that's like male was interested in our podcast, in 568 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: our family, and he actually enjoyed the Facebook community, and 569 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: so Ryan don't say yeah, Ryan, don't tell Brandon about it. 570 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: If you guys did enjoy the episode, we'd love if 571 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: you could go and leave us a five star review, 572 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: and also make sure you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts or 573 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: Spotify or wherever you're listening from. And please make sure 574 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: you join us in our Facebook community. 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