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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's.

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Speaker 2: Let's get on down to the Jonesy and Man of

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Speaker 2: Arms for the pub test this morning. Something you may

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Speaker 2: not have noticed over the Christmas break, they've taken away

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Speaker 2: the warning signs for speed cameras. They just snuck this

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Speaker 2: one through to the keep up and we were the

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Speaker 2: only state that was doing.

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Speaker 1: It, Queensland.

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Speaker 2: They don't tell you where the mobile speed cameras Victoria

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Speaker 2: they're the same.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know where they are because they'd make it

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Speaker 3: But they are they in different places all the time.

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Speaker 2: No, No, they usually go to the same location. So

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Speaker 2: there's one on King George's Road. Actually they go past

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Speaker 2: three every morning, well not every morning, but they move

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Speaker 2: around the city. But there's one on King George's Road

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Speaker 2: at South Hurstville, and there's another one a bit further down,

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Speaker 2: and then there's one just on Lane Cove Road here

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Speaker 2: coming into near.

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Speaker 1: The golf course. So they're always around.

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Speaker 2: But now they've taken away that signage that used to

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Speaker 2: be in front of them. And the thing is, last

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Speaker 2: year when we had the pandemic, was driving around so

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Speaker 2: funnily enough, speed camera revenue fell through.

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Speaker 3: The floor, and so they're doing this. Also, they're extending

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Speaker 3: the hours of operation from seven thousand hours per month

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Speaker 3: to twenty one thousand per month. I used to work

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Speaker 3: at a radio station where they tell people where the

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Speaker 3: he just couldn't understand why we would alert people that

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Speaker 3: the whole idea is to stop people speeding, and if

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Speaker 3: you notice, just slow down in those spots. What's the

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Speaker 3: lesson learned do they want? I'm playing the devil's advocate

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Speaker 3: because I don't know what I think. But doesn't it

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Speaker 3: make more sense that you just could be anywhere anytime.

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Speaker 2: You get caught speeding a lot. That's not true in

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Speaker 2: the tunnel.

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Speaker 1: That's in the tunnel. You could do one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Million kilometers per hour in the tunnel because it's a

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Speaker 2: straight road and it's pretty safe. What I resent with

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Speaker 2: what they do is they set you up to fail.

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Speaker 2: They put these speed cameras on roads where you could

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Speaker 2: easily do well above the posted speed limit safely. They

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Speaker 2: don't put it on small streets, they don't put it

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Speaker 2: on say where I live, you know, a Burrony Bay

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Speaker 2: Road or something. They don't put them there where people

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Speaker 2: that would drive quickly could easily kill someone.

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Speaker 1: No, they put them on streets.

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Speaker 2: Because they can't make the money that they're making out

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. They'll put them on there.

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Speaker 2: Say once again, the Hume Highway or something like that,

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Speaker 2: three lanes of traffic you could easily do between sixty,

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Speaker 1: And ten cas easily safely, safely, easily.

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Speaker 2: Safely, and they demonize speed. We're saving lives, not saving lives,

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Speaker 2: they're raising money. If you're serious about it, put it

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Speaker 2: on back streets or the fifty k's a'ts put it

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Speaker 2: in the streets where people go a million miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: Put them there. But they don't put them there. They

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Speaker 1: put them on streets where they're going to get the

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Speaker 3: But they think they're going to put them in the

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Speaker 3: biggest yield. That means where people are speeding.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because the road. You're not understanding what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just said one. They put them where people's speed,

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Speaker 3: but they are.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're putting it where people speed safely, where you

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Speaker 2: can what's happened as everyone demonized the speed speed kills.

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Speaker 2: Speed doesn't kill poor driving, poor intuition kills, that's what kills.

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Speaker 2: So they put it on a road, say a three

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Speaker 2: lane road, say lane Cave road for example, where you

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Speaker 1: They've got a speed camera through there.

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Speaker 2: So they put that there because it catches people, because

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Speaker 2: it's easy to speed there.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, what do you think undercover mobile speed

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Speaker 3: cameras do? They pass? The pub test.

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Speaker 1: Down to the jen z man a arms for the

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Speaker 2: We planned to get rid of all signs warning New

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Speaker 2: South Wales drivers of upcoming speed cameras.

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Speaker 1: Came into effect in November. They didn't really announce that.

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Speaker 3: I just thought we're the only state that does it.

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Speaker 3: We're the only state that tells people, hey, there are

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Speaker 1: You know they do in Queensland.

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Speaker 2: They didn't even put it in an official looking car.

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Speaker 2: There was a time when I was working up there

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Speaker 3: Well that's their point. They say that they don't want

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Speaker 3: you just to slow down when you when you see

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Speaker 3: so that is their point.

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Speaker 1: By'm more for that.

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Speaker 2: If they're going to be sneaky, we should be able

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Speaker 2: to be sneaky as well. And that's where they are.

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Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. You can go online and

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Speaker 2: find out where all the mobile speed cameras are. For example,

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Speaker 2: from me, when I come from Cronulla to North rd

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Speaker 2: every day, seventy two sets of traffic lights. I got

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Speaker 2: five fixed speed cameras, red light type cameras and three

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Speaker 2: mobile cameras that rotate probably every four or five days.

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Speaker 2: I noticed these things, but then I was coming along

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Speaker 2: Lane Cove Road one morning. There's a red light fixed

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Speaker 2: speed camera there, but the lights were out of sink,

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Speaker 2: so they were changing every eleven seconds. And they did

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Speaker 2: that for about two weeks. It's almost like you're playing

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Speaker 2: Holy Moley. They're setting you up to fail.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask your question, though, so you know where

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Speaker 3: they all are? Do you speed in between those?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is that the way it should be?

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Speaker 1: It's like three point thirty in the morning, there's a

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there on sixty k's on

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Speaker 2: a road that you could easily do eighty on. And

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Speaker 2: that's the thing. And I've got my full complement of

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Speaker 2: license points.

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Speaker 3: You've had ten accidents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those accidents.

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Speaker 2: You know, because I ride a motorcycle, you're a bit

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Speaker 2: more vulnerable for those accidents. Each time. They were me

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Speaker 2: pushing my luck. I on terrible roads out in the

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Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, going too fast.

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Speaker 1: I admit that.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going along a straight road that you

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Speaker 2: could easily do one hundred and forty on. Like the

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Speaker 2: Germans got the autobarn, which is no different to the

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Speaker 2: m one that we have. We don't know, we don't

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Speaker 2: because we demon a nice speed to such a thing.

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Speaker 2: Now everyone's all poo their pants about speed. It's not speed,

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Speaker 2: it's inattention. It's poor driving. That's what kills people.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see what you think. Undercover mobile speed cameras.

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Speaker 3: Do they pass the pub test?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Why they did not?

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Speaker 2: The idea is that.

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Speaker 4: Down?

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Speaker 2: No, No they don't because they're being in a little

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Speaker 2: bit more sneaky these days.

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Speaker 1: No they don't. They want to save lives.

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Speaker 2: They could always put in point to point cameras and

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Speaker 2: that way everybody's going to keep the speed limits.

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Speaker 4: Bring them out to the suburbs sweetly in a forty

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Speaker 2: Feed is not what's don't be one hundred right with it.

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Speaker 2: The person that's in their hamburger or dives down in

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Speaker 4: That's not the speed. If you go down the road,

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Speaker 4: you go past the car, you didn't know it was there.

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Speaker 4: Two weeks later you get a fine in the mail

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Speaker 4: that didn't slow you down. How can that not be

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Speaker 4: revenue raising? I agree with you Jonesy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not holding on to thirteen de Maripoint. It's proving

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Speaker 2: pretty vis yes they do. I don't see the point

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Speaker 2: of warning people where they're the side.

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Speaker 1: It's a crime.

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Speaker 2: If you don't want to get caught.

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Speaker 4: Speeding, don't see.

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Speaker 3: Someone made an interesting point in there, saying that it's

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Speaker 3: because people are making mistakes eating a hamburger or looking

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Speaker 3: for something in their car. Well, there's always going to

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Speaker 3: be bad drivers. But if you have an accident at fifty,

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Speaker 3: it's different to having an accident at eighty.

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Speaker 1: That's true, That is very very true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm just I agree with you, but a motorcyclist,

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Speaker 2: I'm more aware of the dangers on the road better

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Speaker 3: But you know, there's dopey drivers, of course, which is

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Speaker 3: why there has to be a rules that all of

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Speaker 1: Look for a motorcyclist. The thing is, if a motorcyclist,

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Speaker 1: the common thing is like someone tries to kill me

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Speaker 1: every day on a motorbik and that's just.

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Speaker 3: The real But the bulk of us are car drivers of.

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Speaker 1: Course, of course, of course.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is if car drivers have the

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Speaker 2: same awareness that motorcyclists have when they ride a motorbike.

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Speaker 2: When you ride a motorbike and you're coming up to

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Speaker 2: you're coming in towards those cars, you have to actually

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Speaker 2: slow down because there's a good chance that guy is

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Speaker 2: not going to see you.

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Speaker 1: It happened to me the other day on the land Cruise.

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Speaker 1: Last minute.

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Speaker 2: If I was in a car, he would have seen me,

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Speaker 2: and I would have been okay, he was about to

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Speaker 3: But you're talking from a motorcyclist perspective, obviously, that's right,

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Speaker 3: But what we're talking about here is how Sydney roads

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Speaker 3: work for the bulk.

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Speaker 1: Of car drivers. We need speed cameras, we need to

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Speaker 1: slow people down.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that, but what I'm saying is the

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Speaker 2: government is luring us in to like they should be

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Speaker 2: honest about it.

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Speaker 1: It just seems a bit odd to me. This time

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Speaker 1: last year we had a coronavirus and speed camera revenue

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Speaker 1: and they say it's about saving lives.

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Speaker 2: It's not about saving lives, it's about raising revenue. And

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Speaker 2: if they were serious about it, they put it on

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Speaker 2: roads that need to have speed cameras, not on three

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Speaker 2: lane roads where you can do. They're tricking you in

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Speaker 2: to speeding, that's what they're doing. It's like you might

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Speaker 2: as well go to a carnival and play one of

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Speaker 2: those things when you're throwing rings over a bottle.

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Speaker 3: They're impossible.

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Speaker 1: Exactly Jonesy and Amanda's genation