Speaker 1: Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose
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Speaker 1: elders past and present.
Speaker 2: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
Speaker 2: recorded on gaddigal Land. Hey guys know no, Hi guys,
Speaker 2: and welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 3: I'm Brittany, I'm Laura. Why are you saying no and'
Speaker 3: yelling at me across the room?
Speaker 2: No, we were just having a laugh about what we
Speaker 2: were going to call our podcast five years ago. So okay,
Speaker 2: when we very first started a Life on Cut, we
Speaker 2: had brainstorming sessions.
Speaker 3: We all had ideas.
Speaker 2: My idea gets brought up as being poo pooed all
Speaker 2: the time because it's the only one I remember.
Speaker 1: I wish I remembered what I put forward more, but
Speaker 1: the only one. We had all these when we say brainstorming,
Speaker 1: we had a coffee. We had a piece of paper
Speaker 1: and pencil. It was a pencil and anything was a pan. Heay,
Speaker 1: that's a brainstorm session. Why do we have a pencil?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But we wrote it down on a notepad, lined on
Speaker 2: a lined notepad, and one of my podcasts. Name ideas
Speaker 2: was Coming Up Roses, which, at the time, coming off
Speaker 2: the back of The Bachelor, I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker 2: And five and a half years on we can all
Speaker 2: agree that it wasn't brilliant.
Speaker 3: But at the time it felt very good, felt good
Speaker 3: in my bones. It didn't.
Speaker 1: It never felt good, never landed for it. But then
Speaker 1: I suggested a lot of names that you didn't like
Speaker 1: as well. I just don't remember them. The only one
Speaker 1: that stuck with me is Coming Up Roses, because I
Speaker 1: was like, I think we should steer away from just
Speaker 1: being like the The Bachelor, and that's.
Speaker 3: All we are. Imagine now the Bachelor's not even around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be canned. The Brittany Hockley Show didn't really
Speaker 3: do it for me either. Oh that was like that
Speaker 3: was did you just turn into my teenage brother? Yes
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: Hello, welcome friend Laura here on the Brittany Hockey Show
Speaker 2: on Coming Up Roses anyway, good to be.
Speaker 3: How was your weekend?
Speaker 1: Laura and I both went away this weekend for a
Speaker 1: long weekend. Incidentally, I booked it first. I just want
Speaker 1: to say that.
Speaker 2: Actually you didn't I just didn't tell you about it.
Speaker 2: Our fortieth birth because we went away from Matt's brother's
Speaker 2: fortieth birthday. It's been booked for like four months. I
Speaker 2: just don't know the weekend and don't Nothing in my
Speaker 2: life is like things happen around me and then I
Speaker 2: just show up wherever I'm told to be.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so Matt had already planned that entire trip.
Speaker 2: But anyway, you did post a photo yesterday from Zulu
Speaker 2: and Zephyr store and I was like, Brittany, you're four
Speaker 2: hundred meters away from me.
Speaker 3: I also already knew that too. I walked in there
Speaker 3: and they're like, Laura came in here yesterday. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like and I was like, of course she did. I
Speaker 3: was like, I see that bitch enough. I don't need
Speaker 3: to see her on my holiday. No, So Laura and
Speaker 3: I both went to Byra and for separate events.
Speaker 1: My event was I'm in Love and that was it,
Speaker 1: and Laura's event was a birthday party, but we chose
Speaker 1: not to see.
Speaker 2: To be fair, though, I did say this because I
Speaker 2: was talking to my mother in law about it and
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, is Brittany going to come visit?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Brittany's here on a romantic holiday
Speaker 2: with her boyfriend who she hasn't seen for five months.
Speaker 2: Event she doesn't want to see me, and probably more
Speaker 2: than that, she doesn't want to see my children. She
Speaker 2: doesn't want to come and hang out at the kids
Speaker 2: pool at Elements with my entire family. There's no part
Speaker 2: of me, not one single iodor of my entire body,
Speaker 2: that's offended by this. I'm okay with it, and I
Speaker 2: understand genuinely. It wasn't just that.
Speaker 1: If we had more time there, for sure, but we
Speaker 1: didn't actually stay in Byron. We stayed up the coast
Speaker 1: and we went to buying just for the day. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to show Ben parts of Australia, so.
Speaker 3: Like, with very little amount of time. It is like
Speaker 3: we're in the army, like I have a regime.
Speaker 1: He wakes up in the morning and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing today, this is what we're doing,
Speaker 1: this is where we're going. Because I'm trying to fit
Speaker 1: all this stuff in. If it was up to me,
Speaker 1: we're just lay in bed, probably have sex all day,
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't see any of Australia in that.
Speaker 3: He's like, Australia is amazing. Yeah, it's so warm. I
Speaker 3: love it here. It's very moist. It's so warm, and
Speaker 3: she's like a rainforest.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Keisha, Kisha sitting there already disappointed in us. Things
Speaker 2: have spired out of control and we're only at eight
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3: He's funny.
Speaker 1: Now, we've spoken about this on the podcast before many times.
Speaker 1: The fact that you know, I've been with Ben a
Speaker 1: bit over a year and a half now, but we're
Speaker 1: always perpetually in the honeymoon stage because we spend so
Speaker 1: many months apart. Then we spend a couple months together
Speaker 1: and it's amazing, but you're not really like in that
Speaker 1: deep living together, constantly finding out about each other. But
Speaker 1: every time we spend these chunks of time together, we
Speaker 1: find out something else.
Speaker 5: And it's not that it's bad, but I have figured
Speaker 5: out it's not that it's good. It's great, okay, But
Speaker 5: this one thing is the only thing I've realized now
Speaker 5: that I can look back over the nearly two years
Speaker 5: of time. It's the one thing we always fight about
Speaker 5: and I know we'll never ever be able to do
Speaker 5: it without fighting. And that is any form of physical
Speaker 5: activity like any sport, golf, mini golf, tennis, badminton, Crisby.
Speaker 3: It's the competition element.
Speaker 1: So we go to play anything and I just want
Speaker 1: to go and play for fun, Like it's mainly him.
Speaker 3: I just want to play for fun.
Speaker 1: But immediately we're like ripping each other's jugular out because
Speaker 1: he's so competitive and he takes everything so seriously that
Speaker 1: we were playing, we had a full on brawl, not
Speaker 1: a brawl, but like an argument on the tennis court
Speaker 1: at this place. I know there were people listening.
Speaker 3: And I was like, we are leaving. It was like
Speaker 3: a child. I was like, get your racket, we are leaving.
Speaker 3: What are you fighting about?
Speaker 1: Because he was angry I wasn't good enough on the tennant.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, like he's like, Bri, you've
Speaker 1: played better before.
Speaker 3: I know you can do it. I'm like, well, obviously
Speaker 3: I can't do it right now. The balls are not
Speaker 3: going in. The balls are not going in.
Speaker 2: Have you ever questioned, like what, because like, I'm all
Speaker 2: for competition, and I'm all for, like, especially as a parent,
Speaker 2: like making sure that your kids have drive and like,
Speaker 2: you know, having that competitive edge. I've got nothing against that,
Speaker 2: but you have you ever wondered what kind of parent
Speaker 2: he will be in terms of like we.
Speaker 3: Like drop and get me triny. That wasn't good enough
Speaker 3: to me. I actually think I will be that parent. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's how I was brought up.
Speaker 1: My parents were very much like encouraging of us in
Speaker 1: our sporting Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like they were like, if you're not foost hue, let
Speaker 3: no drop an elbow.
Speaker 1: No, they weren't like that, but like, I just think, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that I'm gonna have to accept
Speaker 1: that I love. But I'm either going to have to
Speaker 1: bite the bullet or we're gonna have a divorce. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know which way it's gonna go.
Speaker 2: I also think you should be expecting that when you
Speaker 2: choose to be in a relationship with someone who's a professional.
Speaker 3: Sports player football not tennis.
Speaker 2: You're true, but it kind of like doesn't it just
Speaker 2: like bleed out into every sport.
Speaker 3: It's the nature of it, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last year's fight was over table tennis in Hamilton Island.
Speaker 2: That's what we had to think about it. When you
Speaker 2: say fight, like to what degree.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm proper surarly, I'm like, you've ruined my day.
Speaker 2: You're also grudgy, that's The thing that's the problem is
Speaker 2: like it would happen and then you would hold onto
Speaker 2: it for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. It's actually funny.
Speaker 1: We walk away and I'm pissed off, and I'll turn
Speaker 1: around and I'm like i'd be like, I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: said that, and still way and he's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I did it too, and then we walk.
Speaker 3: Away holding hands like that's how we fight.
Speaker 1: It's cute, but we know that we're disappointed in each
Speaker 1: other's behavior, but we hold hands and like walk off
Speaker 1: and make up.
Speaker 3: But it's just that's just one of those things I've accepted.
Speaker 3: So that was what we thought about the weekend tennis.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, speaking of us not seeing each other on
Speaker 2: the weekend, Matt and I made a stupid real whilst
Speaker 2: we were in Byron because his podcast so like his
Speaker 2: co host on Two Doting Dads, Ash Wiggs, rocked up. Now,
Speaker 2: you might look at that video and think I was
Speaker 2: in on the joke.
Speaker 3: But I want it known.
Speaker 2: I had no idea that Ash was coming on our
Speaker 2: family holiday. So it was day one and we were
Speaker 2: going to see our really good friends Josh and Ash,
Speaker 2: who have a little baby sage.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen them in ages.
Speaker 2: And I said to Matt, Oh, what time is Ash
Speaker 2: getting to dinner? And Matt looks at me really confused,
Speaker 2: and he goes, what do you mean? And I was like, Ash,
Speaker 2: what time's Ash coming to dinner? I'm speaking about Ash,
Speaker 2: my our friend, a female Ash who we're going to
Speaker 2: dinner with that evening.
Speaker 3: And he looks me and he.
Speaker 2: Goes, oh, did you know? And I was like sorry,
Speaker 2: what do I know what? And he's like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: know about Ash? And I was like, yeah, are we
Speaker 2: talking about the same thing because we're going for dinner
Speaker 2: with Ash tonight and he goes, oh, yeah, I forgot
Speaker 2: to tell you. So Ash might he might be in
Speaker 2: town and I was like, he might be in town
Speaker 2: or he is in town. So there was because like
Speaker 2: stoneA Wood is one of their sponsors for their podcast, right,
Speaker 2: and there was a Stonewood Festival happening, and Matt had
Speaker 2: asked me if I wanted to go and just pop
Speaker 2: into the Stonewood Festival and I was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll go and check it out, like no problems. Unbeknownst
Speaker 2: to me that during him organizing this with me and
Speaker 2: as getting a babysitters that we could go and do
Speaker 2: this thing. He also had invited Ash, and Ash was
Speaker 2: flying up and I was like, oh, okay, cool, so
Speaker 2: you got You're actually going to the Stonewood Festival with Ash,
Speaker 2: not with me. That's fine, But I was like where,
Speaker 2: Like where's Ash staying? And he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just staying the night at Elements And I was like, you're.
Speaker 3: Keep it in the second room that we hid in
Speaker 3: our village. He's on the pull out trundle bed. Anyway,
Speaker 3: it was very funny.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, just don't go into
Speaker 1: the closet tonight. There's Ashes there wearing my robe and
Speaker 1: my slippers.
Speaker 3: Why are you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you just tell me? It was so I
Speaker 2: genuinely don't care. It was just weirder that he decided
Speaker 2: to kind of emit all the details anyway.
Speaker 1: Thinking do you think you would have cared? Not against Ash,
Speaker 1: but do you think if he gave you enough notice?
Speaker 1: Because obviously he's made a decision.
Speaker 3: Matt has waited up.
Speaker 1: Madd has been like I can either let her know
Speaker 1: and she's in on it, or I can pretend I forgot.
Speaker 1: So obviously his his trainer thought, He's like, this is
Speaker 1: the best case scenario is I pretend I forgot and
Speaker 1: then it's too late and he's already there.
Speaker 2: But also when he said that, I was like, do you, like,
Speaker 2: why would you pretend? Like do you think I'm a psycho?
Speaker 2: Like how do you think I'm going to react? Are
Speaker 2: you like trying to minimize and manage? Like a yeah,
Speaker 2: like why is your reason for keeping this seat? Anyway,
Speaker 2: I didn't go psycho and actually was fine. I got
Speaker 2: to the Stonewood Festival and I walked talked about.
Speaker 3: Last week when you're like, fine, cool, I am the
Speaker 3: cool girl. Yeah, you can hang out with your friends
Speaker 3: and our family holiday. It's fine. I'll just be over here.
Speaker 3: So we went to the Stonewood Festival. I walked in.
Speaker 2: It's me a long time since I've been to a festival.
Speaker 2: Guys like love Stonewood, great beer. Do I love loud
Speaker 2: outdoor music when it's raining and it's it was fully
Speaker 2: raining and it was a festival and it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 2: no it is. There's two different areas. There's an area
Speaker 2: with laser beams and people had their kids there and
Speaker 2: shit sharks sharks with laser bees, and then there was
Speaker 2: another area which was like a big outdoor on like
Speaker 2: on stage band.
Speaker 3: I'm a loser. I love that discovery, that moment.
Speaker 2: So we were there for a while and then I
Speaker 2: think I was there for maybe half an hour, and
Speaker 2: I looked around at this one point and it was
Speaker 2: so fucking loud. It was so loud, and I have, look,
Speaker 2: my hearing is not great, and so I find I
Speaker 2: find loud noises hurt my ears.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys.
Speaker 2: So I was there for about half an hour and
Speaker 2: then I just looked at me and I was like,
Speaker 2: you do this, you have this moment with ash. I'm
Speaker 2: going to go back and put the kids to bed.
Speaker 2: But you know this was BET's planned. No, he was
Speaker 2: to be fair, we'd organize a babysitter. We were all
Speaker 2: supposed to stay out together. And then I was like,
Speaker 2: do you know what, the babysitter can go home. I
Speaker 2: would prefer to be with my children putting them to bed.
Speaker 2: You go to be here, Yeah, I'll go home. I'm
Speaker 2: too old with this shit. I literally looked around. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm too old for this, even for the
Speaker 2: on stage band, for the on stage loud band. Hurt
Speaker 2: my ears. Anyway, that was it. Look, we have a
Speaker 2: great episode for you today. Now, the thing that has
Speaker 2: been happening in the world that everyone is talking about,
Speaker 2: but maybe not everyone knows the details around, like the
Speaker 2: specific details is Donald Trump and everything that's been happening
Speaker 2: with his criminal court case over the weekend. And I
Speaker 2: spent the whole weekend googling and reading up on this
Speaker 2: because I found it absolutely fascinating, and there was part
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you know the story.
Speaker 1: Lauren's at the festival with the on stage band googling
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So shows the point of life. I found it so
Speaker 2: fucking fascinating. So I was like, how is this adult
Speaker 2: star She's single handedly brought down Trump? And to think
Speaker 2: about the fact that there has been so many cases
Speaker 2: that have been brought against him, but this is the
Speaker 2: first one that actually has been prosecuted. And now this
Speaker 2: all happened over the weekend, and we wanted to get
Speaker 2: someone on to talk through the intricacies of this. So
Speaker 2: we have Charles Croucher joining us in the podcast in
Speaker 2: a little bit. He's a journalist and also a US
Speaker 2: political expert. But before we get into that conversation, britt
Speaker 2: there was something I wanted to share with you which.
Speaker 3: Is less high brow.
Speaker 2: Actually it's very low bra It's so low brow that
Speaker 2: it has to do with uh, the anus.
Speaker 3: That's how far down in the low of the brow is.
Speaker 3: It's very mid browed. Would you say it's not about feet?
Speaker 3: Is it? It's about buttons? Okay? So there is a TikToker.
Speaker 3: Now her name. I thought it was going to be
Speaker 3: about your buttle. Her name is Baby Charlotte one at
Speaker 3: Baby Charlotte one. She's a TikToker.
Speaker 2: She is also an only fans star, and she shares
Speaker 2: a lot of things very openly on her TikTok.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I came across this on the weekend and when I
Speaker 2: was also googling Donald Trump funnily enough, and I thought
Speaker 2: this was so funny. First of all, I found this
Speaker 2: so funny, but it was a PSA. And it's a
Speaker 2: PSA around bullet vibrators and the orifices that you should
Speaker 2: and shouldn't use them in.
Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
Speaker 4: This is a psa. Do not put them little bullet
Speaker 4: vibes anywhere in the back region. Because I am currently
Speaker 4: about to head off to A and E because one
Speaker 4: is stuck in mine and I'm sure you can hear that.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. This is going to be very embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So she's sitting in her car, she's doing a like
Speaker 2: a live PSA is She's about to go into emergency
Speaker 2: because she has a bullet vibrator stuck in her asshole
Speaker 2: and it's still vibrating. You can you can audibly hear
Speaker 2: it in the background of the video.
Speaker 3: She's also she's visibly distressed.
Speaker 2: The poor girl is crying like she of course she
Speaker 2: is a bullet vibrator in.
Speaker 1: Her but this is what people Okay, And I'm not
Speaker 1: overly shocked because I spent over a decade imaging like
Speaker 1: X raying people with things up their butttholes.
Speaker 3: Right, This was a huge part of my job as adio.
Speaker 2: How many times a day do you reckon you'd have
Speaker 2: or times a week do you think you'd have people
Speaker 2: with foreign objects up their backsides?
Speaker 1: It changed markedly depending on where I was. When I
Speaker 1: was working more regional, not as often. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: was in the city hospitals all the time, it was
Speaker 1: standard like query on the sheet, it has a question
Speaker 1: mark and then it just says fo in anal in anus,
Speaker 1: so query foreign object anus.
Speaker 3: That was how we would get a referral.
Speaker 1: And you just know that someone else has slipped on
Speaker 1: something in the shower, because that's what everyone says. But
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you. It's such a common misconception. People
Speaker 1: don't understand what the butt hoole is. People don't understand
Speaker 1: the anus. The anus is a vacuum.
Speaker 2: That's what it works at Like, don't tell me that
Speaker 2: you don't learn things here at laugh on cars exactly.
Speaker 3: It acts like a vacuum. So like obviously when you
Speaker 3: do a poop, you're pushing out Wait, do you want
Speaker 3: that noise? If that's sound effect? Again, that's it.
Speaker 1: So when you put something up, there's a certain I
Speaker 1: don't know what the terminology is like, but there's a
Speaker 1: certain level. If you had like a pencil, right, there's
Speaker 1: a certain point that it's going up and up and up,
Speaker 1: and your butts doesn't really want to take it, and
Speaker 1: then it flips and it sucks it up and that's it,
Speaker 1: and it's a point of no return. And quite often
Speaker 1: it's too far, it's gone, it's deep, and it can
Speaker 1: travel all the way up your bow. I have seen
Speaker 1: a rexona doodor and can up near the diaphragm, which
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like, a whole can of rexona. Look,
Speaker 1: if it's not flat, don't put it in there, I
Speaker 1: think is the lesson for everyone.
Speaker 3: That's not the lesson, Yes it is. If you're gonna
Speaker 3: stick things in.
Speaker 2: Your ass that are vibrators, make sure the base of
Speaker 2: it is flared. But I wanted to read this to
Speaker 2: you because I mean, that was enough of a story.
Speaker 2: I was like, funny, ha ha ha, but also decent PSA, like,
Speaker 2: let's not go sticking things in our Assholes aren't supposed
Speaker 2: to go in there.
Speaker 3: But this article came up on Pedestrian right.
Speaker 2: Pedestrian wrote they did it like a piece on this
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to read you the very first
Speaker 2: line of this article. The publisher is Michael di Laio.
Speaker 2: Sometimes all a girl wants to do is go full
Speaker 2: feral Kirby mode and absorb.
Speaker 3: Everything and anyone into their hole.
Speaker 2: Imagine typing that out as the first light, being like,
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist and that's the first line you put
Speaker 2: together to describe this story.
Speaker 3: Also not true. We don't walk around be like, what
Speaker 3: can I suck up there today.
Speaker 2: It's also so weird that this dude who's a journalist
Speaker 2: has put this together and written that.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this you living out your Fantasy's?
Speaker 2: Like, I'm all for a chicks who want to like
Speaker 2: have anal play, but women are not walking around wanting to.
Speaker 3: Consume the universe in their asshole.
Speaker 1: If we're vacuuming up our house naked with a but hoole,
Speaker 1: do you know.
Speaker 3: What I've seen on butts before? I would love to
Speaker 3: know the list. I have seen a toilet brush cleaner.
Speaker 1: A toilet brush, the prickly end, the prickly end, the
Speaker 1: prickly end, like was a Christmas tree doing all its
Speaker 1: prickly tickly things on the inside of the bout.
Speaker 3: How did they get it in there?
Speaker 1: The brush itself has the bristles, so I guess when
Speaker 1: you pushed it up it would crush down. And then
Speaker 1: I guess they thought it would open up on the
Speaker 1: inside and the head came off the thing so it
Speaker 1: got stuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen toy cars, lots of little things toy cars.
Speaker 1: I've seen batteries very dangerous. You can get lithium poisoning.
Speaker 1: Do not put a battery inside of you in any capacity.
Speaker 3: I know a guy who's stuck a toy car in
Speaker 3: his backside. Toy cars. You will not believe how common
Speaker 3: the toy car is. I don't know why. It must
Speaker 3: be the wheels.
Speaker 1: It's an unusual fetish or is it like a male
Speaker 1: fetish because they have a car crush, Like you know,
Speaker 1: our men love cars.
Speaker 3: So they want to consume it with their asshole.
Speaker 1: Because no, what I'll tell you is now that i've
Speaker 1: I've never thought about it in this much depth.
Speaker 3: Every toy car. I've never seen a woman with a
Speaker 3: toy car upper butt. It's men. It's always a man
Speaker 3: at the.
Speaker 2: Time, because obviously you're not working as a ready erefer
Speaker 2: anymore and you're not allowed to talk about those things
Speaker 2: when it happens. But now in retrospect you can be like, hey,
Speaker 2: this once upon a time there was a guy with
Speaker 2: a car is But no.
Speaker 1: You actually can talk about it, but you can't have
Speaker 1: any defining features, so like you can't say where it was,
Speaker 1: who it was, when it was.
Speaker 3: But I can easily say things I've seen up people Like.
Speaker 1: There's this whole forums online that people submit the craziest
Speaker 1: things they've found in people's ashole.
Speaker 3: One hundred cent. There was one on our forum that
Speaker 3: was a kangaroo's tail. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are pretty crazy, you know, And we're not
Speaker 2: here to yuck anyone's yum, but I am.
Speaker 3: If you're putting a kangaroo tail up, I'm yucking you yum.
Speaker 1: It's an animal that you're killed and you've chopped its
Speaker 1: tail off and you're masturbating up your butt with it,
Speaker 1: I'm yucking you yum in that sense.
Speaker 3: Any other way you want to masturbate, go crazy.
Speaker 1: But if it's an animal, do you know I do
Speaker 1: listen back to this in this podcast, and I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we try so hard to be PC that sometimes
Speaker 1: things are said and.
Speaker 3: I'm like, actually, I'm not okay with that.
Speaker 2: But I was trying so hard to be okay because
Speaker 2: I didn't want to offend anyone anything. Guys, guys do
Speaker 2: whatever you want, and I'm like, fuck that, and then
Speaker 2: I realized I'm like, actually, no, I'm not okay with it. Actually,
Speaker 2: funnily about that, when we went out to dinner on
Speaker 2: the weekend, we met this really lovely girl and she
Speaker 2: is a lifer listens to the podcast, and she was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to.
Speaker 3: Check something with you.
Speaker 2: You had Stephen ka Ayemoss on the podcast recently and
Speaker 2: he told actually unfiltered story about how he had a
Speaker 2: dirty kink and he sat on a guy's face and
Speaker 2: hadn't washed his backside anyway, go on back and listen
Speaker 2: to the podcast episode if you want to. She was like,
Speaker 2: I just want to point out you and Britt seemed
Speaker 2: oddly fine with the whole story, and I want to
Speaker 2: let you know how uncomfortable it made me that you
Speaker 2: guys were okay with it.
Speaker 3: Why wasn't okay with it? I was like, no, you
Speaker 3: can't ever do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we came across to her especially that
Speaker 2: we were fine with it, and that's kind of what
Speaker 2: made me realize, actually, maybe we might need to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more critical of these things from time
Speaker 2: to time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start now, no animals in your buta hole.
Speaker 1: On that note, let's get into the really serious political.
Speaker 3: Er, speaking of ours wholes.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Donald Trump. That's a great segue.
Speaker 2: We were thinking about how we were going to segue
Speaker 2: this because it's unusual for us, but you are on
Speaker 2: that segway, Laura. No, it's unusual for us to talk
Speaker 2: about politics American politics. It's also unusual for us to
Speaker 2: have an interview on a Tuesday episode, But we wanted
Speaker 2: to get someone who was very well versed in American
Speaker 2: politics who could explain the nuance as to why this
Speaker 2: is such a pivotal case. But also, I think if
Speaker 2: you were looking at this from the outset, it's very
Speaker 2: easy to go, oh, it's one hundred and thirty thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: which I know is a lot of money, but in
Speaker 2: terms of American politics, I'm sure is absolute piss in
Speaker 2: the ocean. Why was this so impactful? And what was
Speaker 2: the role that Stormy Daniels played? And is it the
Speaker 2: affair itself that's problematic, is it the hush money or
Speaker 2: is it how that hush money was paid out to
Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels that was the criminal part of this case.
Speaker 3: I think this is.
Speaker 1: Why we wanted to talk about this case, because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that are more interested in
Speaker 1: American politics right now than ever have been before. And
Speaker 1: I mean that's due with the multijd things, But a
Speaker 1: big part of this is a are we really going
Speaker 1: to potentially have an American president that could be in
Speaker 1: jail like he has been convicted. Are we really going
Speaker 1: to have a leader of the free world that is
Speaker 1: in prison? And b the fact that this whole case
Speaker 1: surrounds Stormy Daniels, who was an adult star. It's garnered
Speaker 1: so much more attention than ever before. It's literally the
Speaker 1: stuff that reality TV is made out of. We are
Speaker 1: watching history unfold and that's not me being dramatic. This
Speaker 1: is going to go down. This is unprecedented. It has
Speaker 1: never ever happened before, and it's really worrying that there's
Speaker 1: a part of me that thinks I don't want it
Speaker 1: to be. It's a part of me thinks that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is still going to win this campaign.
Speaker 3: He will become president again.
Speaker 1: But I think the interesting part of this case is,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people probably don't understand from the outset.
Speaker 1: You've seen the headlines and you're thinking, what's the big
Speaker 1: deal about paying somebody hush money? But this criminal charge
Speaker 1: isn't about Donald Trump paying hush money. That's not illegal
Speaker 1: at all. It's about him falsifying the documents of that
Speaker 1: hush money. So I think it's really important we get
Speaker 1: that clear at the start. The second part of this
Speaker 1: that is very Bothersome is the way in which Trump's
Speaker 1: defense attorney tried to undermine and take down Stormy Daniels
Speaker 1: purely by slut shaming her. He tried to say that
Speaker 1: she was not a reliable witness because she was a
Speaker 1: very successful adult film star. Part of me is like
Speaker 1: to be in twenty twenty four and think that that
Speaker 1: is an accurate defense to say you like sex publicly,
Speaker 1: so we can't trust anything you say, And I'm like.
Speaker 3: How are we doing that in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: But then there's another part of me that says, well,
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty four and we're probably going to vote
Speaker 1: in a president that's in prison.
Speaker 3: It's actually insane.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also this has come at a very interesting time
Speaker 2: because obviously this all pertains to stuff that happened in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, but now people are saying that the timing
Speaker 2: is actually like very politically timed to try and undermine
Speaker 2: his new presidential campaign, and that it's a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: from Biden. So we wanted to speak to Charles Croutcher,
Speaker 2: who is an expert on this, to get all of
Speaker 2: the facts. But before we do interim, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to share something that I think is beautifully enlightening. You
Speaker 2: guys would all remember the very famous quote from Donald
Speaker 2: Trump where he said you can.
Speaker 3: Do anything grab him by the pussy.
Speaker 2: The quote and slogan that's been going around surrounding this
Speaker 2: campaign is the pussy Grabs back, and we thought that
Speaker 2: this was a beautiful way to segue into the chat
Speaker 2: with Charles.
Speaker 3: A song by Kim Bokbinder.
Speaker 7: Bussy Grabs, Bad, Bussy Grabs Bad, Busy Grabs bats, Busy
Speaker 7: grabspad pussy.
Speaker 1: Grabs that Charles Croucher, journalist and US political expert, is
Speaker 1: joining us on the podcast Today Live from the US
Speaker 1: to help us get through all of this Trump drama.
Speaker 1: Because the world has gone crazy, not a lot of
Speaker 1: people completely understand what is happening. So Charles, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us this morning.
Speaker 2: Any times I think I would love to start with, like,
Speaker 2: why is it that this is now so heavily in
Speaker 2: the media. Why is this all happening when what I
Speaker 2: guess is this circulating around goes back to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's an old case, right, but this has taken
Speaker 8: so long for the prosecution to bring this case and
Speaker 8: it's coming an interesting time with Donald Trump obviously running
Speaker 8: for president once again. So this is a case that
Speaker 8: dates back to twenty six stands you said, effectively, the
Speaker 8: case itself is pretty minor in terms of the matter
Speaker 8: of fari that stands some of the accusations of business fraud.
Speaker 8: And while there are thirty four charges, a lot of
Speaker 8: those charges are based off different check stubs, so there
Speaker 8: are felony accounts in there. That's what takes us to
Speaker 8: the new level. And the real reason that there's so
Speaker 8: much interest in this case, but from being Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: Is the question is what does it do to the election.
Speaker 8: That's coming out and what does it mean if America
Speaker 8: is going to vote in a convicted felon, which is
Speaker 8: a possibility and you know, to believe the book makes
Speaker 8: it is a likelihood in November.
Speaker 9: So that's the sprite.
Speaker 2: When you say it's relatively minor. Just for anyone who
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily understand what it is that he's been convicted for,
Speaker 2: can you run us through what that looks like.
Speaker 8: The accusation and in fact, what has been found guilty
Speaker 8: of is paying money through his lawyer to Stormy Daniels,
Speaker 8: who is a film star, and effectively, as hush money
Speaker 8: during the twenty sixteen election. She accuses Donald Trump that
Speaker 8: they had an affair one night stand. Really he denies
Speaker 8: that's ever happened. But the issue was that the twenty
Speaker 8: sixteen election, Trump had trouble with him and voters who
Speaker 8: was runn against Scillaris Clinton. Clearly he thought this case
Speaker 8: would be damaging to him and through his political prospects,
Speaker 8: so he paid the money to Stormy Daniels as well
Speaker 8: as a non disclosure agreement, and that was enough to
Speaker 8: effectively silence her throughout the campaign with the help of brothers. Now,
Speaker 8: usually if he did that just out of his own money,
Speaker 8: that would be considered a campaign contribution, so they have
Speaker 8: to write it down and like file the check stuff.
Speaker 9: Now any journal.
Speaker 8: Looks through Donald Trump's distilosures and sees that he's paid
Speaker 8: money to Stormy Daniels, he's going to ask why. So
Speaker 8: instead to get around this and use his lawyer, Michael
Speaker 8: Cullen to do it and sort of use through a
Speaker 8: business transaction. And that's where the falsifying documents charges have
Speaker 8: come in as.
Speaker 9: Well, So it's convoluted.
Speaker 8: Dodald Trump's facing a couple of charges here. This is
Speaker 8: probably the weakest of the charges, but he's now sound guilty,
Speaker 8: So this is the one that will stick for now.
Speaker 1: So speaking about the fact that it was back in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, it is an old case.
Speaker 3: It has been brought up now.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's getting even more media attention because of the
Speaker 1: heat surrounding Stormy Daniels. Who she is, what she has said,
Speaker 1: the slander that's gone on within the case. But who
Speaker 1: has actually brought this case now? Because we've heard Donald
Speaker 1: Trump blaming Biden, saying, you know this is his doing,
Speaker 1: He's trying to bring me down. He's corrupt. But we
Speaker 1: know it's a state level and it's not Biden. So
Speaker 1: who and why has been brought up now?
Speaker 8: Alvin Bragg is the district attorney and in New York
Speaker 8: he is a Democrat. I was elected, so this is
Speaker 8: a place where you elect your.
Speaker 9: Attorneys and your prosecutors in some of the situations. So look,
Speaker 9: there's certainly a political motive.
Speaker 8: He need gets an out of it, but he says
Speaker 8: he's just administering the law, and the jury sound with him.
Speaker 8: He found they had the case. So that's why Donald
Speaker 8: Trump is blaming Joe Biden. I think in many ways
Speaker 8: it's just throwing accusation to to a free can, right.
Speaker 8: But Harry Truman, why the old presidents used to say,
Speaker 8: if you can't.
Speaker 9: Convince people, who confuse people.
Speaker 8: So that's what this is, right, as much confuduring as
Speaker 8: you can and accuse everyone Republicans. Donald Trump's side. At
Speaker 8: the same time, it's using Joe Biden as being old
Speaker 8: and senile while also masterminding this court case and legal
Speaker 8: case against him. So there's perhaps some inconsistency, is there, But.
Speaker 1: It's actually so funny when you say that whatever suits
Speaker 1: on that day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's hard to have those two charges at the
Speaker 8: same time. You charge and brighten with that, But don't
Speaker 8: forget that America is deeply divided, and they're divided on
Speaker 8: the line of the president. And so if Donald Trump's
Speaker 8: ten think they can just get everyone to go back
Speaker 8: to their corners by using this of being a political which,
Speaker 8: as he says, then they're going to do it because
Speaker 8: they think that will win them votes. And it's certainly
Speaker 8: gotten a lot of money over the last few days
Speaker 8: since the Verticantcent's own.
Speaker 2: In terms of it being hush money and the way
Speaker 2: in which you said that, it's been transferred to Stormy
Speaker 2: Daniels through his lawyer. Is there anything illegal about paying
Speaker 2: hush money if it had come through the right channels?
Speaker 2: Or is Kim expecting Stormy Daniels to have some sort
Speaker 2: of NDA around their nefarious affair? Is that something that
Speaker 2: is actually totally legal if it had been done through
Speaker 2: the right processes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think if she signs the contract and it
Speaker 8: is a mutually agreed contract between two consenting adults, and
Speaker 8: it's fine. It is the falsifying documents, which is why
Speaker 8: the case is being brought by the state and not
Speaker 8: by Stormy Daniels herself. She was merely a witness as
Speaker 8: part of this, and she had a couple of days
Speaker 8: of pretty tough testimony on the stand as well. So
Speaker 8: it's the state that brings the case against Donald Trump
Speaker 8: because it's a crime, rather than the person in the
Speaker 8: civil trial.
Speaker 2: So then, why, I guess, would she come forward with this?
Speaker 2: What would be her motivator to come forward and bring
Speaker 2: this information if she has signed an NDA.
Speaker 3: Technically, regardless of where that money came from, it's.
Speaker 8: Hard to assign motivation. She came forward During his term
Speaker 8: as president, she did an interview with sixty minutes over
Speaker 8: here with Anison Cooper in the US and spoke about
Speaker 8: what had happened.
Speaker 9: She said she was.
Speaker 8: Instead of a shamed by what went on, and she
Speaker 8: thought it was you know, this is a time when
Speaker 8: Don Trump was married Milanaiir, had just had the youngest son, Baron.
Speaker 9: She was upset by it all.
Speaker 8: This you know, this alleged affair dates back well before
Speaker 8: the election. It was just at that twenty sixteen campaign
Speaker 8: when the money was given and there when he became president,
Speaker 8: she said she wanted to speak out and have her say.
Speaker 8: So that's what she's done, and she's certainly done more
Speaker 8: than that. She's become a household name, particularly here in
Speaker 8: the United States, and that's brought with it a whole
Speaker 8: lot of pressure elsewhere that she's dealing with. So that
Speaker 8: seems the motivation. Look, it may be political. She certainly
Speaker 8: doesn't like to hold Trump and I think she wants
Speaker 8: to be president again, so that's beneficial as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it comes back to the fact
Speaker 1: that she wants to be believed like, this is her story,
Speaker 1: this is what happened, and she's tried to tell the
Speaker 1: story and imagine going up against literally the most powerful
Speaker 1: person in the world at the time, and his supporters
Speaker 1: are so ferocious and fierce, and I know that the
Speaker 1: level of hate she got there, and I have heard
Speaker 1: the level of hate she's getting now, like the death
Speaker 1: threats that she's getting from his supporters.
Speaker 3: Well, apparently she wore a bulletproof vest. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his defense is trying to make her an incredible witness,
Speaker 1: which I think is I was just saying this to
Speaker 1: Laura before we started. I was like, it's such an
Speaker 1: unusual tactic to take in twenty twenty four to try
Speaker 1: to slut shame somebody into being an unreliable witness. Can
Speaker 1: you just tell us about what the angle they took
Speaker 1: and what they were saying about Stormy Daniels.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I certainly.
Speaker 8: I don't think that would have won the motor with
Speaker 8: any of the women on the jury. It would have
Speaker 8: been hard to see that. And I guess if you're
Speaker 8: defending someone in a US court, you know there's twelve
Speaker 8: jurors and you've only got to convince one that your
Speaker 8: person is innocent. So that may have been the tactic.
Speaker 8: You put enough dirt on someone and make them doubt
Speaker 8: her credibility. Is witness They did the same with Michael Cohen.
Speaker 8: He's former lawyer who has spent time in prison, so
Speaker 8: some of the work and the things he's done with
Speaker 8: Donald Trump. So you know, they were the two main
Speaker 8: witnesses that the prosecution had, along with some other journalists
Speaker 8: and people that have been involved. But if you can
Speaker 8: discredit that witness, again, it's the prosecution that have to
Speaker 8: prove that he did it. And so I think that
Speaker 8: was the tactic they took with her, certainly in America
Speaker 8: in particular, that there may have been one or two
Speaker 8: people in the jury that could have found that compelling.
Speaker 8: Clearly they didn't, because they all came back with those
Speaker 8: thirty four guilty charges and came back pretty quickly as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they basically just said because she was an adult
Speaker 1: worker and like sex that she was trust that she
Speaker 1: couldn't trust her, which is.
Speaker 8: Why while sex work is real work, right.
Speaker 2: That's the I mean, it seems crazy, but also nothing
Speaker 2: surprises me when you're talking about a country where there
Speaker 2: are a lot of very religious slash traditional views, where
Speaker 2: where many conflicting views around abortion and everything else. It
Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if there was one person within that
Speaker 2: jury who had those and upheld those strong sort of
Speaker 2: traditional values, and that may have worked on them. In
Speaker 2: terms of how this is going to impact his presidency campaign,
Speaker 2: is he able to still run for president? Even if
Speaker 2: he was to say, go to jail? Could he still
Speaker 2: run for president?
Speaker 8: Yeah, and jail is one of the options. Certainly, the
Speaker 8: smart people over here you speak to don't think that'll happen.
Speaker 8: They send to believe that you'll get to find a
Speaker 8: more suspended jail sentence that will be handed down just
Speaker 8: before the Republican National Convention, which is a big deal
Speaker 8: in the electoral calendar. It's about the time he was
Speaker 8: meant to be choosing his vice president and would likely
Speaker 8: announce that decision. So it's going to take a lot
Speaker 8: of the option out of that. Even if he is
Speaker 8: sent to prison, he can run. There is nothing in
Speaker 8: the constitution but from things like treason that says you
Speaker 8: got run from prison. I think Boston might have elected
Speaker 8: a mayor from prison.
Speaker 9: Once, and so he can't.
Speaker 8: And he would then have the opportunity perhaps to pardon
Speaker 8: himself on the other charges or parton himself on these charges,
Speaker 8: which again we're just like the other thing is this
Speaker 8: has never happened before. But none of this is normal,
Speaker 8: and so it's difficult when you play out what might
Speaker 8: happen because we just don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, have a listen to this. This is him
Speaker 1: immediately after he has left the court. He's literally still
Speaker 1: campaigning the second he walks out the door.
Speaker 6: This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who
Speaker 6: was corrupted. There's a rigged trial and disgrace. They wouldn't
Speaker 6: give us a venue change. We were at five percent
Speaker 6: or six percent in this district, in this area. The
Speaker 6: real verdict is going to be November fifth by the people,
Speaker 6: and they know what happened here, and everybody knows what
Speaker 6: happened here.
Speaker 10: We didn't do a thing wrong. I'm a very innocent man,
Speaker 10: and it's okay. I'm fighting for our country. I'm fighting
Speaker 10: for our constitution. Our whole country is being rigged right now.
Speaker 10: This was done by the Baden administration in order to
Speaker 10: wound or hurt an opponent or political opponent, and I
Speaker 10: think it's just a disgrace.
Speaker 1: So you can hear him still here. He's not even
Speaker 1: defending himself anymore. He's at the point where he knows
Speaker 1: he might not be able to travel to campaign further.
Speaker 1: So he's literally standing on the steps of the court campaigning.
Speaker 8: He's used that courtroom as a campaign stop. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: he's done it time and time again. He knows the
Speaker 8: world's media there. You know, people are watching on now.
Speaker 8: Whether it's cut through, everyone's pretty over politics over here,
Speaker 8: particularly the same people coming in again. Right.
Speaker 9: But look, the.
Speaker 8: People that's supporting, we're still supporting. They're raised money off this,
Speaker 8: They've used it as that thing, that sort of campaign platform,
Speaker 8: and now he can go out and actually do the campaigning.
Speaker 9: Whether it works or not.
Speaker 8: Joe Biden's team will be out to call Donald Trump
Speaker 8: a convicted felon every day at this election, all the
Speaker 8: way through.
Speaker 9: To piling day.
Speaker 8: And for me, I wonder in the suburbs where the
Speaker 8: really crucial voters both sides in the last election of
Speaker 8: womans for that are targeting what they call suburban women.
Speaker 8: So this is so many times young mums, sort of
Speaker 8: middle aged mums, people that are just trying to put
Speaker 8: third on the table to their kids and go about
Speaker 8: their life. I wonder if hearing Donald Trump is a
Speaker 8: convicted felon for five months will eventually eat away at
Speaker 8: some of those voters in those really crucial states up
Speaker 8: in the Midwest, and that might make it harder to
Speaker 8: go and pull the lever or punch a box or
Speaker 8: put a tick or one next to someone who you know,
Speaker 8: who's been charged with these crimes.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess that's the question. And you've been so
Speaker 3: heavily on the ground over there.
Speaker 1: Are the general population in America educated enough to be
Speaker 1: able to know the difference with what is happening here?
Speaker 1: And I say that in terms of will people just
Speaker 1: look at the top line clickbait one that he's a
Speaker 1: convicted felon, and two on Trump's side just saying this
Speaker 1: is a smear campaign that Biden has brought on to
Speaker 1: bring me down, which you know, one of those is untrue,
Speaker 1: and it's obviously.
Speaker 3: Biden Trump is a convicted felon.
Speaker 1: But do you think people are to surface level that
Speaker 1: they'll just take a headline and that's how they'll make
Speaker 1: their political decision?
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 8: The other thing over here is the media landscape is
Speaker 8: so divided, and again in many ways along the line
Speaker 8: of the president. So those people that support him are
Speaker 8: the former president. Sorry, those people that support him will
Speaker 8: be watching Newsmax. You know some of the more right
Speaker 8: wing groups on Fox News and beyond, and they will
Speaker 8: be defilming and in some case parodying Donald Trump's lines. Now,
Speaker 8: if there are people that are more democratic based or liberal,
Speaker 8: they might be watching MSNBC or listening to their podcast
Speaker 8: and hearing the same thing that they think this guy's
Speaker 8: convicted felon. So in many ways, people use news over
Speaker 8: here like a therapy animal right.
Speaker 9: They can use.
Speaker 8: It to prove that you're right and to reinforce what
Speaker 8: you've said. So that makes it difficult. The big question is,
Speaker 8: and the American system is so convoluted and ridiculous when
Speaker 8: it comes to electing a president, but it's going to
Speaker 8: come down to effectively five states, and you just wonder,
Speaker 8: I keep going back to the suburbs what they think
Speaker 8: of this in the suburbs. Chances are they probably aren't
Speaker 8: paying attention to the call day they've seen him going
Speaker 8: out of court. When they switch on after the summer break,
Speaker 8: before we get towards that November election, this will come
Speaker 8: up and it's up to the campaigns now they will
Speaker 8: have to sell that message and be convincing and remind voters.
Speaker 8: The best ad campaigns are the ones that confirm or
Speaker 8: reaffirm what voters already suspect of someone. I suspect those
Speaker 8: people that didn't vote for Donald Trump last time to
Speaker 8: suspect he's a crook. And they've now got a pretty
Speaker 8: good case, the Biden team to make that argument to
Speaker 8: the American public. It depends, you know, it's not compulsory voting.
Speaker 8: It depends who shows up on a Tuesday in November.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: Are those people that voted for Barack Obama then Donald
Speaker 8: Trump in sixteen then went back to Joe Biden?
Speaker 9: Is this enough to move them back to Donald Trump's side?
Speaker 8: You know, he's the one that has to make up
Speaker 8: ground on the last election.
Speaker 9: I think this hurts.
Speaker 3: Is he facing any other charges.
Speaker 8: He's facing another couple of charges, more compelling charges. One
Speaker 8: in relation to January six that's still being spelt out
Speaker 8: and that won't be heard before the election. There's one
Speaker 8: in Georgia where he asked the Secretary of State and
Speaker 8: the governor down there to find votes effectively so he
Speaker 8: could win that state because it was so crucial in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty, And he's on tape saying it.
Speaker 9: That one.
Speaker 8: It seems like a stand up and knockout case, if
Speaker 8: they ever get up to actually saying it, because it's
Speaker 8: been all kinds of trouble with the prosecution and perceive
Speaker 8: and perceptions of bias down there.
Speaker 9: So look, I don't think.
Speaker 8: Either of those cases will be heard before the election.
Speaker 8: And that's where we get that uncharted territory. If he's
Speaker 8: elected again, he can pardon himself from these cases.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by finding votes?
Speaker 8: But he asked to find votes, they were down by
Speaker 8: the margin was around twelve thousand. Someone will know in
Speaker 8: the comments and know what the actual margin was. But
Speaker 8: he is on tape asking him to find the amount
Speaker 8: of votes he needs to win the state. That's the
Speaker 8: whole question, right, is he asking him to falsify those votes?
Speaker 9: Is he asking him like that?
Speaker 8: Sounds like mob talk about a way of getting over
Speaker 8: the line in Georgia. Now, as it turns out, it
Speaker 8: wouldn't have mattered in the overall result. But given he
Speaker 8: is on tape and recorded by a man who is
Speaker 8: now the governor, it's a hard case to you against.
Speaker 8: Now he would just say he meant count all the
Speaker 8: legal votes and you know, purtain and go out and
Speaker 8: exercise democracy, but I don't know. Some of the language
Speaker 8: there is pretty difficult.
Speaker 9: So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 8: If he loses the election in November, then there is
Speaker 8: the chance that those cases will come up probably next year,
Speaker 8: and we might see don't Trump back in court again,
Speaker 8: and they have more serious charges and more serious punishments.
Speaker 1: So is there any documentation that says anywhere, because it
Speaker 1: is unprecedented that a president can continue his presidency if
Speaker 1: he's put in prison.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think there's anything that says against unless
Speaker 8: it's for treason. And again, he would have the option
Speaker 8: because the president can pardon people, so he can pardon
Speaker 8: himself and effectively eliminate the charge.
Speaker 1: Can he actually pardon himself because I was on an
Speaker 1: impression he can't. A president can't pardon themselves.
Speaker 8: It depends on which charge and in which area. And again,
Speaker 8: this is all we played out the cooks. This hasn't happened,
Speaker 8: like we haven't had a situation.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 8: Richard Nixon was the closest we got to something like
Speaker 8: this happening, and he got pardoned by his successor, so
Speaker 8: that was kind of taken off the table. There's peace
Speaker 8: that have been vice presidents have got in trouble for
Speaker 8: I think Aaron.
Speaker 9: Burr one of the early ones.
Speaker 8: For anyone that knows Hamilton, he was charged with once
Speaker 8: something the treason as well, and got off the charges.
Speaker 8: So this is unprecedented, This is not normal, and so
Speaker 8: all of this is legal theory that I don't think
Speaker 8: anyone ever thought would actually have to play out in
Speaker 8: a court. But we are steering around the face that
Speaker 8: that may just happen, and that would be up to
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court really, which don't forget Donald Trump put
Speaker 8: three of those people along the court and we'll see
Speaker 8: how they go.
Speaker 3: What does it mean moving forward now for stmmy Daniels.
Speaker 9: Look, she has been through a lot. We be interesting
Speaker 9: to see what she chooses to do. I think she
Speaker 9: has come out of this. I saw it this morning.
Speaker 8: Year she's done an interview and spoke about what that
Speaker 8: time was like on the case. You know, it's been
Speaker 8: really difficult and she will no doubt have some difficult
Speaker 8: times moving forward as well, whether she tries to go
Speaker 8: down the civil case or civil charges against the president.
Speaker 8: I don't know what her legal options are without being
Speaker 8: a lawyer, So she's going to be a household name
Speaker 8: here and there are in a deeply divided country that
Speaker 8: we have to go back to. There are people that
Speaker 8: we will see her that way for auts. I mean,
Speaker 8: you look at the situation with Monica Lewinsky, who has
Speaker 8: only sort of found her voice in the last few years,
Speaker 8: and she speaks about her experience. This is very different
Speaker 8: and much more public, and I think we'll hear more
Speaker 8: from Stormy Daniels about that in her own way.
Speaker 9: I hope.
Speaker 1: And lastly, Trump's obviously going to appeal this case. What's
Speaker 1: the likelihood do you think this will get overturned?
Speaker 9: But difficult to say.
Speaker 8: Look, the jury was very quick in returning their verdict.
Speaker 8: The Trump team will argue that it's in Manhattan, it's
Speaker 8: a pretty liberal place and therefore it was hard to
Speaker 8: find a jury. They went through a lot to get
Speaker 8: the final people they did. Whether it can be overturned
Speaker 8: before the election, I don't think there's enough time now.
Speaker 8: Things move slow. It's a glacial legal system over here.
Speaker 8: So look, I think he knows now his best chance
Speaker 8: I think of avoiding this punishment and potentially further down
Speaker 8: the line, is to win the election, and that would
Speaker 8: be all of America. Effectively being the jurors when they.
Speaker 9: Have their say.
Speaker 8: He said that, you know, this is the final verdict
Speaker 8: could be given on November fifth when they vote.
Speaker 1: Over here, crazy America could have a president, you know,
Speaker 1: ruling the free world that's in prison.
Speaker 8: That remarkable is none of this is normal.
Speaker 9: That's the thing.
Speaker 8: We've become so to sensitized to it, like none of
Speaker 8: this is normal. What happened in twenty twenty isn't normal
Speaker 8: the way that all played out. So we are in
Speaker 8: some really interesting times at a time when the glow's
Speaker 8: pretty vulnerable and we need the leadership.
Speaker 9: With democracies, it's.
Speaker 8: A minority sport, and there's it seems like they're getting fewer,
Speaker 8: and this one's looking pretty fragile.
Speaker 3: We don't have a lot of good choices.
Speaker 8: I either do one thing's got to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a scary thing. And it was almost going
Speaker 3: to be Kanye West, which is worse. It's crazy, the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for accidentally unfiltered your most embarrassing story.
Speaker 3: We've got a very low key, holesome one.
Speaker 1: I was working at an RSL club and you didn't
Speaker 1: often get a chance to go to the toilet. This
Speaker 1: one day, I was absolutely busting, so when I got
Speaker 1: the chance, I raced down the hall swung into the bathroom.
Speaker 3: I would normally check the toilet first, but things were urgent.
Speaker 1: It was one of those toilets where the door opens outwards,
Speaker 1: so I raced.
Speaker 3: In, pulled the door shut.
Speaker 1: As I backed into the toilet, ripped my pants down,
Speaker 1: and as I sat down.
Speaker 3: I felt something that didn't feel like a toilet seat.
Speaker 3: I jumped up and screamed. I looked around to see
Speaker 3: a little boy.
Speaker 1: No older than six years old, staring back up at me.
Speaker 3: He just looks shocked.
Speaker 2: You imagine taking your pants off and sitting on a
Speaker 2: kid that's far His mum was in.
Speaker 1: His toilet next door and was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't shut the door, probably because
Speaker 1: he's only six, thinking that I must have just opened
Speaker 1: it and noticed it there. She doesn't know I sat
Speaker 1: on him with his pants on. I ripped my pants
Speaker 1: up and ran back out without going to the toilet.
Speaker 1: I should have apologized for scaring her son, but I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is that is extraumatizing.
Speaker 2: I know it was very innocent and not meant to be,
Speaker 2: but like, I feel for that kid.
Speaker 3: That kid is not going to be okay, what happened.
Speaker 3: At least she didn't start we actually she sat down
Speaker 3: side wing.
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't do you know what happened to
Speaker 2: me on the weekend. So we're at the pub in Barron.
Speaker 2: I'm on the toilet doing a number two and Lola,
Speaker 2: which it's not my fault, sometimes you got to take
Speaker 2: the kids to the toilet with you because she needed
Speaker 2: to go. I didn't know I needed to do a
Speaker 2: number two. It hit me as I was doing a
Speaker 2: week as it always as it always does. And she
Speaker 2: just opens the door and fucking walks out, just walks out,
Speaker 2: and the door is too I was like, Lola, don't
Speaker 2: you don't you touch it?
Speaker 3: Don't you touch it?
Speaker 2: You can't get up missed and she and she just
Speaker 2: opens it and goes by Mommy going back to Daddy,
Speaker 2: walks out there. I am this poor woman runs up.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll keep the door shut. She doesn't know
Speaker 2: that I'm doing a poop, dude, not just keep.
Speaker 3: A door shut, going stop the small child. I was like,
Speaker 3: at this point, let it go, let her rehome myself. No,
Speaker 3: I'm not at all. I don't mean that I love
Speaker 3: your disclaimers. I don't mean that she should be re home.
Speaker 3: You don't need to.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I worry that people think I don't love being
Speaker 2: a mum, But I really love being a mummy.
Speaker 3: It's the best thing ever. They know that they'm actually
Speaker 3: putting your kids on Facebook mark place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't believe used free to good home, pick
Speaker 2: up today, pick up straight away, please.
Speaker 3: On curbside, home home, honesty box, leave donation.
Speaker 2: All right, suck and sweet for the week. I mean
Speaker 2: that could have been my suck, but what was your
Speaker 2: suck for the week? My suck was coming to like
Speaker 2: a really hard realization that Ben and I are not
Speaker 2: always going to be able to share food.
Speaker 1: So like a big part of my existence and what
Speaker 1: I wanted from a relationship was obviously trust, love, respect,
Speaker 1: and I also wanted someone to share food with.
Speaker 3: However, because that's how I order my food, I would.
Speaker 1: I would never order my own meal Like that is
Speaker 1: crazy talk to me. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: order a few Hey, do you have you up your bit?
Speaker 1: Will swap halfway like, because I want.
Speaker 3: To taste everything.
Speaker 2: We're so far into that in our relationship that Matt
Speaker 2: just knows what I would order, so he'll just get
Speaker 2: a thing that will compliment my order.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Ben will be like, well, if you want that,
Speaker 1: then order two meals. And I was like, what, but
Speaker 1: I just want to try some of yours, like I
Speaker 1: don't want a whole other meal. He's generally pretty good,
Speaker 1: but there's some things he won't budge on. And I
Speaker 1: had this realation on the weekend that there's some stuff
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to share with him. Other
Speaker 1: stuff he's fine, but he'd be more happy to pay
Speaker 1: for an extra meal then share some stuff. Not everything.
Speaker 1: But sometimes he's like, I also feel like the chicken.
Speaker 1: But I was like, but I'm getting the chicken. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I also want it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, fuck my life. And you're like, we
Speaker 3: can't order two chickens. But we did. We ordered two chickens.
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? That is crazy to it that's
Speaker 3: the same meal we ordered two. I hate that.
Speaker 2: I know, Okay, why would we both eat the same
Speaker 2: thing when we could eat each other's meet.
Speaker 3: Each other full stop out.
Speaker 1: So my sweet was just the fact that I went away.
Speaker 1: I had a really wholesome weekend with Ben. We're still
Speaker 1: falling in love. I made myself sick cut that we
Speaker 1: had a good weekend. We function on cut that as well.
Speaker 3: Let me find my feet, okay, leave them both in please,
Speaker 3: all right my weekend? Hang on, I have a real one.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought that was it? No cool, that's it?
Speaker 3: Leave it okay, my slack for the week.
Speaker 2: We had a leaking window at the front of our
Speaker 2: house and we got it repaired recently, and over the
Speaker 2: weekend whilst we were away was the very first time
Speaker 2: we've had like proper big storms.
Speaker 3: And the leaking window is not a leak anymore.
Speaker 2: We had an indoor fucking water feature, so the window
Speaker 2: had been installed in correctly. And now the whole wall
Speaker 2: has to be taken out of the front of our
Speaker 2: house and redone, which is like we've already been through
Speaker 2: that process for two weeks and now we got another
Speaker 2: two weeks of doing it.
Speaker 3: So that is Helen her. That's crazy. Actually it's not really,
Speaker 3: it's but it's inconvenient.
Speaker 2: And it's more inconvenient because my sweet is Matt's mum's
Speaker 2: back from her French trip that she went over to France.
Speaker 2: She did two and a half months of French lessons
Speaker 2: and French speaking and how.
Speaker 3: Many French rendezvous No joking, she didn't shoot us.
Speaker 2: Never tell you, no, I reckon, she'd tell me if
Speaker 2: she got boned by a Frenchman.
Speaker 3: She got a bit of baguette. But did she even salami?
Speaker 3: What did she get some like a stick of salami? No,
Speaker 3: that's not sliced.
Speaker 2: I no, she did it, and but she would tell me,
Speaker 2: but no, that's like she thinks that those days are
Speaker 2: long gone for her.
Speaker 3: But she's but she's back.
Speaker 2: And so the reason why it's even more of a
Speaker 2: suck is because that is her bedroom. So the front
Speaker 2: room in our house that had the leaking window is
Speaker 2: her bedroom, and so we wanted to get everything repaired
Speaker 2: before she came home. And now she's home, and she's
Speaker 2: not gonna have a bedroom to be in for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. So it's it's just very inconveniently timed.
Speaker 2: But I'm really happy that she's home, and I really
Speaker 2: adore that I have such a awesome relationship with my
Speaker 2: mother in law because I think most of the time
Speaker 2: you always hear horror show stories around people's mother in law's,
Speaker 2: but mine's just the best.
Speaker 3: I want the mother in law Jackpot. Yeah, she said.
Speaker 3: We love Ellie. I love Ellie.
Speaker 2: She's almost like my You'll have her if you could
Speaker 2: take her mother in law anyway, guys, that's it from us.
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