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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Susy Burrow.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Liam Water, and together we bring you The

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Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to

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Speaker 1: of nutrition, as well as supplements spend. We have some

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Speaker 1: Recently, I was milling the aisles of none other than

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Speaker 1: And if you look at nut bars, they're often having

437
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Speaker 1: a heavily peanut base, which is where there's not as

438
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Speaker 1: many benefits to that. So you're really wanting to look

439
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Speaker 1: for those more variety cashew, walnut, alm and a range

440
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Speaker 1: if you can, or even I like, rather than just

441
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good peanut butter, which are a

442
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Speaker 1: hundred percent nuts, but I prefer the seeded mixes which

443
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Speaker 1: you get a whole range, so they're a good addition,

444
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Speaker 1: or you know, flax seed LSA in a smoothie each

445
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Speaker 1: day but yeah, I thought it was just some nice

446
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Speaker 1: starter to talk about and a reminder because I would

447
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Speaker 1: argue that often busy people.

448
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Speaker 2: Are not getting those fats on a day to day basis.

449
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Speaker 3: I'll just have a lot of quick tip for our listeners.

450
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Speaker 4: And because we are certainly as women, we are not

451
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Speaker 4: saying don't eat chocolate if you're on your period or

452
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Speaker 4: you have some PMS, but really be particular with the

453
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Speaker 4: type of chocolate. Really go for that darker you know,

454
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Speaker 4: seventy percent or higher, so it's higher and antioxidants. You're

455
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Speaker 4: getting more benefit from that. It's also not so much

456
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Speaker 4: of an ultra processed food either. A lot of milk

457
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Speaker 4: type chocolates have a lot of added you know, different

458
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Speaker 4: vegetable oils and stuff in them. So if you can

459
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Speaker 4: grab a handful of nuts or seed, some pistachios, some walnuts,

460
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Speaker 4: some pecan, some almonds, lay them onto a bit of

461
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Speaker 4: baking paper, even put some fresh berries in there for

462
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Speaker 4: some extra fiber and antioxidants, and drizzle that with some

463
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 4: good quality dark chocolate. You can basically make like a

464
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Speaker 4: nut and seed bark and that's a much better I guess. Addition,

465
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Speaker 4: you're getting the you're hitting the cravings from the chocolate perspective,

466
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Speaker 4: but you're also getting the protective benefits of the nuts

467
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Speaker 4: and seeds with the researchers shown, and again legumes. So

468
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Speaker 4: many of our ladies eat a salad for lunch, which

469
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Speaker 4: is amazing, but when was the last time you put

470
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Speaker 4: some black beans or some brown lentils or some chickpeas

471
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Speaker 4: into that salad as well, So really focusing on your

472
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Speaker 4: beans and legumes. And again, if you need that little

473
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Speaker 4: bit of a chocolate fixed, totally fine. There is actually

474
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Speaker 4: a growing range of things like roasted chickpeas, and there's

475
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Speaker 4: a brand out there. I think it's Happy Snack Company,

476
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Speaker 4: isn't it Susi that does the dark chocolate coated chickpeas

477
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Speaker 4: as well. So again you're getting the benefits of the

478
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Speaker 4: sweetness from the chocolate, but also the additional benefits of

479
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Speaker 4: legumes too, So it's not all or nothing. You don't

480
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Speaker 4: have to give up chocolate and replace it with nuts

481
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Speaker 4: and seas. You can do a combination of both. And

482
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Speaker 4: that's the message that Susi and I for the last

483
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Speaker 4: four or five years i've had the podcast, we've always

484
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Speaker 4: tried to say to our listeners it's about balance. It's

485
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Speaker 4: not black or white, it's not about all or nothing.

486
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Speaker 4: You don't have to give anything up, but really focus

487
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Speaker 4: on what you can add into your diet, which particularly

488
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Speaker 4: from a PMS perspective, is going to be really really.

489
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Speaker 3: Beneficial for women.

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Speaker 4: So NATSI dark chocolate, bark, bitter berries for antioxidants, absolutely

491
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Speaker 4: wonderful to hit those sweet cravings but also give you

492
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Speaker 4: some additional benefits to hopefully reduce some of those PMS

493
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Speaker 4: type symptoms.

494
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Speaker 1: True, and I had just recently reviewed the dark chocolate

495
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Speaker 1: brands for an article I inkerret for nine honey, and

496
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Speaker 1: I would say seventy to eighty percent of dark chocolate

497
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Speaker 1: in the supermarket has the first ingredient sugar as opposed

498
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Speaker 1: to cocoa beans, which means that it's less equality. So

499
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Speaker 1: just if you are a dark chocolate eater, So for example,

500
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Speaker 1: that Audi which we do love their portion control chocolate,

501
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Speaker 1: the General brand definitely even their dark chocolate is still

502
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Speaker 1: sugar base, whereas when you go to that mond one,

503
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Speaker 1: the thin one that's more blocked like a lint with.

504
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Speaker 2: The five serves. Their pure dark is first ingredient cocoa butter.

505
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Speaker 1: So your best to seek out dark chocolate has that

506
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Speaker 1: higher proportion of antioxidants if you're doing a kind of

507
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: bark or if you are having it because it is

508
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Speaker 1: a better quality product. And there's only a small handful

509
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Speaker 1: that do have that base as opposed to sugar. All

510
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Speaker 1: rightly and well, I have been to Audi, as you

511
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Speaker 1: might have inferred, I don't go. I love Audi because

512
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Speaker 1: I get a few key things there, but I don't

513
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Speaker 1: go that often. It's not in my sort of normal

514
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Speaker 1: grocery rum. Keep in mind if I go to most

515
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Speaker 1: both supermarkets in most days. But I did have to

516
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Speaker 1: go for something else recently, and I did a little

517
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Speaker 1: bit of a look over pantry staples there, and I

518
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Speaker 1: remember that when I had a colonoscopy, I used the

519
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Speaker 1: chicken soup and I really quite liked it, And when

520
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Speaker 1: I had to look at nutritionally, it's actually pretty good.

521
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: And it's only retails for three dollars the pouch, So

522
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Speaker 1: I thought that was quite a good one coming into winter,

523
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Speaker 1: and you know, we're back into soup season now. No

524
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Speaker 1: one is saying that it's not better to make your own.

525
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Speaker 1: My issue or not feedback on making your own? Is

526
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Speaker 1: that a good soup? That's got in it, say chicken legumes,

527
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: a good quality stock, a base of celery, onion, galic

528
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: leak can cost twenty at least, not thirty dollars of

529
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Speaker 1: base ingredients. Now, sure you'll get four or five six

530
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Speaker 1: serves out of that, but it's still quite a big

531
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Speaker 1: spin for a bowl of soup. Whereas if you can

532
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Speaker 1: buy them at reasonably cheap prices and nutritionally they're pretty good,

533
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Speaker 1: you'd argue for busy people like you don't have to

534
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Speaker 1: feel guilty about different soups. Now, I'm not saying that

535
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Speaker 1: this soup is the best in a supermarket. There are

536
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Speaker 1: chicken soups that are so pristine nutritionally that, as I said,

537
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Speaker 1: you'd be pushed to make your own Potango Chicken and

538
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: vegetable is an example of that. It is so strong nutritionally,

539
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Speaker 1: I can't really fault it. But I thought I would

540
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Speaker 1: just talk about an Aldi product because I know some

541
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Speaker 1: of our listeners enjoy shopping Aldi, and I think this

542
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Speaker 1: one's not too bad, particularly keeping the cupboard as a

543
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Speaker 1: bit of a backup. So this is an old fashioned

544
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Speaker 1: chicken soup, and it retails for two dollars ninety nine,

545
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Speaker 1: which is incredibly inexpensive for a product. Also, Leanne Audio

546
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Speaker 1: remo good books at the moment because for a long

547
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Speaker 1: time I couldn't get any.

548
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Speaker 2: Of the nutritionals of the products online.

549
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Speaker 1: They just didn't put them there, And now they've added

550
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Speaker 1: them all in, which really makes me happy.

551
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Speaker 2: So they're in my good books.

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Speaker 1: So it recommends two serves a pack now, to be honest,

553
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Speaker 1: I ate it in one, so I think it Stretching

554
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: it to two serves is a bit of extreme, but

555
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Speaker 1: you know you could as a side dish, so perseve

556
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Speaker 1: if you're basing it on tuo per packets one hundred

557
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: and eight calories. It's got five point eight grams of protein,

558
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Speaker 1: three point seven grams are fat, only one point five

559
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Speaker 1: saturated as you would expect in a soup. Three point

560
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Speaker 1: seven sugars per serve, which is actually pretty low for

561
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Speaker 1: a soup because you do get some natural sugars from

562
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Speaker 1: a vegetable based soup. And the sodium is three forty four,

563
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Speaker 1: which is actually quite low. Even if you double that,

564
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Speaker 1: you're coming in less than seven hundred. That is low

565
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Speaker 1: for a soup. So that's one of the reasons I

566
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Speaker 1: quite like it. The ingredients are water, and someone asked

567
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Speaker 1: me if I should be concerned water is the first

568
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Speaker 1: ingredient in a soup. Absolutely not, It probably should be

569
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Speaker 1: in most cases. Dice chicken thigh. Now we'd prefer chicken breast,

570
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Speaker 1: but chicken thig is not too bad. Five percent not

571
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: overly high, but not loverly low. Five percent potatoes skim

572
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Speaker 1: milk powder, so they're using that to cream it up, celery, carrot,

573
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Speaker 1: sweet corn, so you're getting another sort of five percent

574
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Speaker 1: vegetables there, which adds it to about ten, including the potato,

575
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: natural flavored corn starch for thickening, cream powder, onion, potato starches, extract,

576
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: canola oil, thickener, spices, and herbs. Now, yes, it's not

577
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Speaker 1: as clean as some of them, but it's pretty clean.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have any added sugars really, and it's not

579
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Speaker 1: a bad percentage of vegetables for a soup that retails at.

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Speaker 2: Two ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: So I would give it a seven eight out of ten,

582
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Speaker 1: and I think at the price point it's just quite

583
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Speaker 1: a good product that because some of the soups, if

584
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Speaker 1: it's a cup of soup, for example, or a more

585
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: broth baited soup, they're not overly tasty, so you're not

586
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Speaker 1: going to have it. The reason I like this is

587
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Speaker 1: it is quite creamy without being too high in calories.

588
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Speaker 1: So I think it just is a nice middle ground

589
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Speaker 1: option to keep in the cupboard and just say you

590
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: make yourself a toasted sandwich, you make yourself a wrap

591
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Speaker 1: for lunch, or some crackers, and you're wants some extra

592
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Speaker 1: box to go with it. The three bucks. I think

593
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty good option. So yeah, I quite liked it.

594
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Speaker 1: What do you think I like it?

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Speaker 4: I like this as no artificial colors, flavors, there's no preservative. So,

596
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: like you said, like it's a good ingredient list I

597
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: would use this more as a snack, I guess, like

598
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Speaker 4: particularly one hundred cows of serve, six grams of protein,

599
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 4: it's more a snack.

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Speaker 3: It's not a meal, let's be honest.

601
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Speaker 4: But as you said, you use it as a bit

602
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Speaker 4: of a side dish or even for really active listeners,

603
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: like that's a good stack. Even the whole pouch, like

604
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Speaker 4: two hundred calories, twelve grams of protein, it's good. Particular

605
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Speaker 4: if you're active. Six hundred milligrams are sodium. I wouldn't

606
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Speaker 4: really be concerned about him someone who's active, Like, I'm

607
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Speaker 4: not that concerned unless you've really got issues with blood

608
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Speaker 4: pressure or you know, heart or something like that.

609
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Speaker 3: So I think it's good.

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Speaker 4: I think Aldi is definitely competing with the bigger supermarkets.

611
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Speaker 4: They're bringing out more and more products which are very

612
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Speaker 4: very similar to some of our favorite brands in more

613
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: the big giant supermarkets as well. But I do think

614
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Speaker 4: we're definitely heading into soup season and a lot of

615
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Speaker 4: I had a favorite range of fresh soups and coals,

616
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Speaker 4: but they.

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Speaker 3: Just seem to have been gone in the last year

618
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Speaker 3: or so.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just not so much a fan of the

620
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: fresh ones in Wulworest that I am in Coals, So

621
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of the fresh soups have kind

622
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Speaker 4: of gone off the market.

623
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's due to the expiry dates or something.

624
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't find the Potango, which was the best

625
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: chicken and vegetable soup.

626
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening.

627
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Speaker 4: My favorite ones were the Coals Perform range. At Coals,

628
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Speaker 4: they had really strong nutritionally, is like between three to

629
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Speaker 4: four hundred calories like of course to thirty grams of protein,

630
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: really great fiber, and they're just they've mostly gone.

631
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Speaker 3: I can't find them at my local, so it's very upsetting.

632
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Speaker 4: But a lot of the better quality soups have been

633
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: replaced the fresh ones with these more pouches, so you

634
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 4: find them on the shelf in the canned soups out

635
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: of sort of section and their pouches. So just making

636
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: sure of course you're decanning it out of the plastic

637
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Speaker 4: pouch and you're putting it into like a saucement or

638
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Speaker 4: something and warming it up on the on the stove top.

639
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's I think it's pretty strong nutritionally.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's to me, it's a lot. It's a

641
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: snack or it's a very very very light addition to

642
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: a meal, like you said, a bit of a toasted

643
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: sandwich or a nice you know, a bit of leftovers

644
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: we might not quite have enough and you can have

645
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: a bit of sort of soup on the side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I love sandwich and a soup when you

647
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: go to the States. I think it's such a good combo.

648
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: It's even a piece of leftover chicken or Yeah, I

649
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: think it's a nice one just to keep one hand

650
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Speaker 1: for three dollars, really nice price point.

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Speaker 4: Alrighty, and that brings us to our final segment of

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Speaker 4: the show, Susie our listener question. So today the listener

653
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Speaker 4: question is there are a growing range of high protein

654
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Speaker 4: flavored milk drinks on the market. Yes, there are? Are

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Speaker 4: they a good choice? So this is an interesting question

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Speaker 4: because my first question back to you, listener, would be

657
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Speaker 4: a good choice for what as a meal or as

658
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Speaker 4: a snack? Because some of these higher protein flavored milk

659
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Speaker 4: drinks can be upwards of three hundred calories and for

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Speaker 4: somebody who's actively trying to lose weight, who's not really

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Speaker 4: that tall and who's not really living in a larger body,

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Speaker 4: say for example, someone's you know, five foot four, they're

663
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Speaker 4: about you know, sixty eight kilos. They just want to

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Speaker 4: drop a couple of kilos that you don't really need

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Speaker 4: a huge amount of calories, you know, per meal. So

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Speaker 4: I think for some of these, I think a lot

667
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Speaker 4: of us are using them as snacks, whereas I think

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Speaker 4: some of them are pretty high calorie you just need

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Speaker 4: to be careful.

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Speaker 3: A lot of them are also very ultra process.

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Speaker 4: Particularly if you look at the ones that are more

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Speaker 4: I guess like the mere replacement formulated ones. But if

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Speaker 4: you're thinking what I'm thinking, Susie more the ones in

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Speaker 4: the cold iced coffee kind of section.

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Speaker 3: The Rookby Farms Pools has a new one as well.

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Speaker 4: I think they have a time and place like I

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Speaker 4: certainly don't write them into my client meal plans. But

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Speaker 4: if they're busy, they might have left their lunch at home.

679
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Speaker 4: They just, you know, want to quick and easy kind

680
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Speaker 4: of lunch. They're going in and they're going to grab

681
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Speaker 4: something like that soup and one of the high protein

682
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Speaker 4: milk drinks to go with them. I don't really have

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Speaker 4: a problem with that, but I certainly don't use them

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Speaker 4: on a regular basis or really write them into my

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Speaker 4: client's meal plans. I really think they're more of a

686
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Speaker 4: convenient a kid's sports. I'm just going to duck into

687
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Speaker 4: the local supermarket and grab one of these protein drinks

688
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Speaker 4: to kind of get me through, so I'm not snacking

689
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Speaker 4: on the sausages or the pies or the hot chips

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Speaker 4: at you know, the kids sports or you know, during

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Speaker 4: the work afternoon tea when all the pastries are out,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to have one of these instead. And I

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Speaker 4: went to a business conference a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: and the girls sitting in front of me had one

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Speaker 4: of them high protein milk drinks on her desk. Where

696
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Speaker 4: was When I looked around me, me being a dietitian,

697
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Speaker 4: I had my coffee.

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Speaker 3: I went out to the local coffee shop, got a coffee.

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Speaker 4: I had my apple, I had my veggie sticks, and

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Speaker 4: I had my nuts and seas and a little kind

701
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Speaker 4: of container.

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Speaker 3: But that's me being a shot off dietitian.

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Speaker 4: But I was looking around me and there was just

704
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Speaker 4: bags of lollies and you know, big bags of chips

705
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Speaker 4: everywhere on blocks of chocolate, and I just kind of thought,

706
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Speaker 4: she's done really well. Like she's got a higher protein

707
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: flavored milk drink, it's got some calcium, it's got some protein.

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Speaker 4: It's really going to help stabilize her blood sugar levels.

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Speaker 3: Like I was, like, it's a great choice.

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Speaker 4: It was about three pm in the afternoon, so I'm

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Speaker 4: guessing that she, you know, ducked out and went to

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Speaker 4: one of the little, you know, metro supermarkets or something

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Speaker 4: in the city to grab that, because I had come

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Speaker 4: from home and I hadn't gone to the supermarkets by

715
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Speaker 4: the coffee shop all day, and that wouldn't have lasted

716
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Speaker 4: because I left home about seven am that morning. So

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Speaker 4: I think it's a really great option. I think there's

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Speaker 4: a time and a place for them. But I think

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Speaker 4: in terms of convenience when you're out here on the run,

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Speaker 4: I think they can be.

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Speaker 3: Really, really great.

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Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be using them as a regular option

723
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Speaker 4: basically just for the price point and the fact that

724
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Speaker 4: there are some different types of emulsifiers and additives in

725
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Speaker 4: there that we would deem them generally ultra process foods.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: Think that they have a time and a place for

728
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Speaker 4: convenience occasionally.

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Speaker 3: That's probably my two cents on them. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: A little bit upset about them, to be honest, because

731
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Speaker 1: they're doing a lot of roundstututionally as a thirty grand

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Speaker 1: of protein products and supermarket. But they've got artificial sweetener

733
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Speaker 1: in them, They've got a spar tame, and I just

734
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Speaker 1: think in this day.

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Speaker 2: And age, we're beyond that.

736
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, Coca Cola is pulling dit coke off the

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Speaker 1: shelves for a reason. A spar tame has been banned

739
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Speaker 1: in Europe. Why are we now still proactively adding it

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Speaker 1: to these drinks?

741
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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: The target market usually for flavored milk is a tradey

743
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Speaker 1: teenage market, so they're the biggest consumers of flavored milk

744
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Speaker 1: in convenience which is petrol stations, convenient quickie stores, and

745
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Speaker 1: then even in supermarkets. So tradesmen who are eating three

746
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Speaker 1: four meals a day and going through a lot of calories,

747
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Speaker 1: and also teenage boys. So for them, like you said,

748
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Speaker 1: there are a breakfast meal. In a way, they've increased

749
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Speaker 1: the protein. They're really high in calcium. Some of them

750
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Speaker 1: have got eight hundred milligrams of calcium, which is incredibly high.

751
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Speaker 1: So nutritionally they kind of tick the macro nutrient boxes.

752
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Speaker 1: But my issue is the artificial sweetener.

753
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Speaker 2: I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had quite a discussion when we were

755
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Speaker 1: formulating our hot chocolate because Jara sort of was the

756
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: hot chocolate I had always consumed and enjoyed because it

757
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: had a really nice, creamy flavor. But ultimately it's got

758
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Speaker 1: a spartan in it nine to five to one, which

759
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Speaker 1: is the same as the diet chocolate moose. So as

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Speaker 1: a dietician, I've had to say, right, I actually have

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Speaker 1: to stop recommending these products because we are telling clients

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Speaker 1: to have a product that we know has got a

763
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Speaker 1: product that's an ingredient that's band overseas, Like there's a

764
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Speaker 1: reason for this that it just banned things because of

765
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Speaker 1: a whim. There's got to be strong evidence that they

766
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Speaker 1: should be. So when we have Australian foods that are

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Speaker 1: newly formulated to contain it, I'm like, come on, there

768
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Speaker 1: are so many sweetener alternatives that are natural now. There

769
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Speaker 1: is stevia, there is natvia, there are the alcohol sugars.

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Speaker 1: There are so many options now, highly likely the more

771
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Speaker 1: expensive they're in the spar tame. But I just think

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Speaker 1: in this day and age, we are beyond it, and

773
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Speaker 1: I feel like we have to be honest to say, look,

774
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Speaker 1: those products will not be in our newly updated to

775
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Speaker 1: top two hundred supermarket products coming out in a month

776
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Speaker 1: or two, because we cannot be recommending products that still

777
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Speaker 1: contain the spar tame, particularly as a new product entering

778
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Speaker 1: the supermarket shelves. So I'm seeing all these dieticians posting

779
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Speaker 1: them because they've done a massive mail out of them,

780
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, really, like, look at your ingredient lists.

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Speaker 3: Refused them as a side to say, no.

782
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Speaker 1: I think we should. They're strong, but I can't. And

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Speaker 1: I said this to the brand manager of one of them,

784
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Speaker 1: what's the go with your spar tame? Like we are

785
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Speaker 1: beyond we have to be saying these things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Leanne and I've had some heightened discussions recently about calling

788
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Speaker 1: products out in supermarket and I said to her like,

789
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Speaker 1: if we don't, who is if we don't say.

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Speaker 2: The food industry this is not good. You shouldn't be

791
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Speaker 2: doing this.

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone thinks it's okay and because they've got

793
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Speaker 1: mas market support or they're in Colls and Woolies. But

794
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Speaker 1: I think as leading dieticians in Australia, we need to

795
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Speaker 1: say they're not good. And so if you see nine

796
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Speaker 1: to five one, my recommendation is we shouldn't be having it.

797
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Speaker 1: And I believe it will be eventually banned in the

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Speaker 1: austra and food supply as well, and I think we're

799
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Speaker 1: at that stage now. These are not a one off product.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a piece of chewing gum you consume occasionally.

801
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: This is a product that people think is healthy and

802
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: when they've got attitudes in it that shouldn't be in there,

803
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I think we need to pull that out and be

804
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: quite blunts.

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00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: So even for children.

806
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: If it's got nine to five to one, I can't

807
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Speaker 1: be proactively recommending it. So yeah, that's where I sit

808
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: on them.

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree with you in terms of the

810
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: artificial sweeteners and the other brand that i'd say that

811
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Speaker 4: doesn't have the artificial sweetener that I use occasionally for

812
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: my clients, or I did up until sort of the

813
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: end of last year when I read some of this

814
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Speaker 4: newer research coming out about emulsifies with different types of

815
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: bower diseases like IBD in plummatory bow disease sensitive tummy's IBS,

816
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: there has been some new research that a few of

817
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: the different types of emulsifiers can actually worsen gut health

818
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Speaker 4: and that leakiness in the gut.

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Speaker 3: So for any of my clients that have.

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Speaker 4: Celiac disease IBD, I don't recommend these. And one of

821
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: the big brands in the market actually has carriaging and

822
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 4: which is a specific type of added emulsifier that can

823
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: have negative implications from a gut health perspective in it.

824
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 4: So it doesn't have the artificial sweetener, but it does

825
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: have a mulcifier carriaging in it. So I actually don't

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Speaker 4: generally recommend any of the brands because they've either got

827
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Speaker 4: these added emulsifiers which we know aren't great for our

828
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: gut health long term, or they've got added artificial sweetness.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like you, I use them occasionally if I

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00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: was in a pinch, Yes, i'd go buy one myself

831
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Speaker 4: if I really needed a bit of a protein hit

832
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Speaker 4: to get me through to my next meal or something.

833
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: But to be honest, i'd probably pick up one of

834
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Speaker 4: the higher protein yogurts on the market before i'd reach

835
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Speaker 4: for something like this. But if a you know, if

836
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: your husband a trader or whatever, or your teenage son

837
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Speaker 4: is having one of these massive, you know, sugary type

838
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: ic coffees or chocolate, you know, cold drinks, and you're

839
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: gonna swap them over to something with a bit of

840
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: protein in it, it's probably a good thing, but it's

841
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 4: not something that I would actively be adding into the

842
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: diets of my ladies, just due to the fact that

843
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: they are ultimately most of them are an ultra processed

844
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 4: food due to the added emulsifiers in them as well,

845
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: which you're not going to get in fresh milk, and

846
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: you generally don't find in some of the higher protein yogurts.

847
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good point.

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Speaker 1: Actually hadn't picked up on that, but absolutely right, good,

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