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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the daily This is

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<v Speaker 1>the daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty seventh of May.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Each week we hear more and more about how AI

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<v Speaker 2>is changing the world, whether that be for better or

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<v Speaker 2>for worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Artificial intelligence has become so advanced it has now surpassed

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<v Speaker 3>human performance on several basic tasks.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the news you read is being written by AI,

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<v Speaker 1>and you wouldn't know it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, one of the biggest news companies in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>News Corp, has signed a new deal with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest AI companies in the world, Open Ai, and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea is to better train its AI bots with

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<v Speaker 2>news corps and news reports. Now, while we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the details of the deal, it's understood to be worth

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of millions of dollars. In today's podcast, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk talk about that new deal, how the broader

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<v Speaker 2>industry is dealing with the growth of AI, and what

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<v Speaker 2>comes next. Before that, ZAM, what's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Over six hundred and seventy people are believed to have

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<v Speaker 1>died in a landslide in Papua New Guinea. According to

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<v Speaker 1>estimates released by the UN's International Organization for Migration, the

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<v Speaker 1>landslide occurred in the remote village of Calcalam on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>As a major rescue operation continues, Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi

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<v Speaker 1>said Australia stands ready to assist. US. President Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>also committed to delivering humanitarian assistance and disaster relief to

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<v Speaker 1>the region.

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<v Speaker 2>Optus is being taken to court over a twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two data breach which saw around ten thousand customers personal

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<v Speaker 2>details published online. The Australian Communications and Media Authority AKMA

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<v Speaker 2>are taking Optis to court on the grounds that the

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<v Speaker 2>telecommunications company failed to protect the confidentiality of its customer

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<v Speaker 2>personal information. The media watchdog said the matter is now

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<v Speaker 2>before the court.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the weekend, the International Court of Justice ordered Israel

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<v Speaker 1>to quote immediately halt its military offensive in Rufa in

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<v Speaker 1>southern Gaza. More than eight hundred thousand Palestinians have been

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<v Speaker 1>forced to flee parts of Raffa in recent weeks as

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<v Speaker 1>Israel conducts military strikes in the area. The ICJS said

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<v Speaker 1>the humanitarian situation in Rafa should now be categorized as

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<v Speaker 1>quote disastrous. In response to the ruling, Israel's Ministry of

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<v Speaker 1>Foreign Affairs said it quote has not and will not

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<v Speaker 1>conduct military operations in the Raffa area, which may inflict

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<v Speaker 1>on the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza conditions of life

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<v Speaker 1>that could bring about its physical destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>And today's good news, the European Space Agency has given

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<v Speaker 2>the world a first glimpse of the dark universe with

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<v Speaker 2>new images showing distant clusters and galaxies. The Euclid telescope

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<v Speaker 2>captured what it called a treasure trial of unprecedented discoveries.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of a mission that will work towards mapping

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<v Speaker 2>billions of galaxies and researching the formation of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're going to take a quick break and

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<v Speaker 2>then the deep dive. NewsCorp and OpenAI, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>tech company that created chat GPT, have signed a multi

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<v Speaker 2>year content deal. NewsCorp, of course, is a multinational media

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<v Speaker 2>and publishing company founded by none.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than Rupert Murdock. We are familiar, We are familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>It owns several international several feels like an understatement, many

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<v Speaker 2>many plethora international and domestic titles, including The Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian News, dot com dot Au. If we keep going,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be here all day, but many many titles

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<v Speaker 2>now under a new partnership, News Corpse content will be

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<v Speaker 2>used to respond to chat GPT's user questions. News Corps

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<v Speaker 2>CEO Robert Thompson said the deal will set new standards

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<v Speaker 2>for voracity, for virtue and for value in the digital age.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was really big news last week, not just

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<v Speaker 1>in media circles but in general news. Before we go

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<v Speaker 1>any further into the deal, can we just go back

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<v Speaker 1>and explain exactly what open ai is. It's chatjbt, right

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So. It was launched by Sam Altman, who we have

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated many a podcast too, and Tesla owner Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 2>who we have similarly dedicated many a podcast too. It

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<v Speaker 2>was launched in twenty fifteen and the company's state admission

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<v Speaker 2>was to benefit humanity as a whole. As you said,

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<v Speaker 2>open Ai is most known for launching the conversational chatbot

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT, and that can generate things like essays and

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<v Speaker 2>poems and travel itineries if you're mean and going on

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<v Speaker 2>your honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy you told me last week that you

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<v Speaker 1>asked chat GPT the best route for your honeymoon, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave me I'm lazy and I don't have time, and

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<v Speaker 2>my chatbut gives me everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And my chatj BT hack of the week has been

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<v Speaker 1>if you upload a screenshot of a game into chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 1>it will give you the code to build that game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're talking here about terrifying. We're talking here

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<v Speaker 1>about really powerful software. I mean amongst our friends, most

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<v Speaker 1>people are using it for things like writing speeches.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, holidays, every wedding speech we have been to.

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<v Speaker 2>The dad has got enough and made a joke about

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<v Speaker 2>how chat GPT has written the wedding speech.

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<v Speaker 1>As without fail. As with any new technology, it's working

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<v Speaker 1>its way into our lives in weird ways. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing it hasn't been able to do is give us

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<v Speaker 1>reliable news content, right Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that US journalists have been incredibly cocky

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<v Speaker 2>about this. You know, everyone else is fearing for their

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<v Speaker 2>jobs and the age of AI, and yet journos haven't

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<v Speaker 2>quite felt that in the same way. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you go on to the current free version of

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT, and I went in and typed in, tell

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<v Speaker 2>me the latest about Julian or Sanche for example, big

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<v Speaker 2>news story. It came back with, I'm sorry for any confusion,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't provide real time updates or information on

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<v Speaker 2>events occurring beyond my last training data in January twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. And so that is going to this idea

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<v Speaker 2>that AI to inevitably need to be fed the information

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<v Speaker 2>from somewhere and on a recurring basis, and they need

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<v Speaker 2>to be made smarter, and that that needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>a reflection of the kind of ever evolving nature of information.

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<v Speaker 2>If the last time this bot was taught about Julian

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<v Speaker 2>Assiunge was in twenty twenty two, it's got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of learning to do. And so that's why this deal

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<v Speaker 2>with news Corp is such a big deal, because basically

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<v Speaker 2>NewsCorp has agreed to let open Ai use its content

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<v Speaker 2>to support chat GPT's responses and its learning and to

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<v Speaker 2>enhance the knowledge of its database and systems.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, in your Julian Dessinge example, it could scrape

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<v Speaker 1>News Corps newspapers from all over the world and give

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<v Speaker 1>you an answer in real time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so NewsCorp, on their behalf have said that it's

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<v Speaker 2>sharing its resources to ensure the highest journalism standards exist

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<v Speaker 2>across open AI's products, which is interesting. On open ai side,

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO Sam Moltman said the deal was a proud

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<v Speaker 2>moment and he said it was setting the foundation for

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<v Speaker 2>a future where AI deep respects.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's an interesting word.

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<v Speaker 2>We're personifying AI here enhances and upholds the standards of

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<v Speaker 2>world class journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so right now News Corp is saying open ai

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<v Speaker 1>you can have access to a significant volume of information

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<v Speaker 1>in real time. What are they getting in return?

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<v Speaker 3>Money?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know the specifics of the agreement because that's

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<v Speaker 2>not been made public by either News Corp or open Ai,

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<v Speaker 2>but NewsCorp would be getting a lot of money out

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<v Speaker 2>of this, and we had some NewsCorp publications reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>the deal that said could have been worth more than

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty million US dollars, so around three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty million Australian dollars over the next five years.

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<v Speaker 1>So ultimately a whole new revenue stream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we know that in Australia Meta has ended

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<v Speaker 2>its funding for news organizations, including News Corp, and that

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<v Speaker 2>that would have left a gaping hole where those millions

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<v Speaker 2>had been coming in from Meta and so it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>that NewsCorp has now kind of pivoted and is now

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<v Speaker 2>getting that money from another tech giant, which is open Ai.

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<v Speaker 3>The new kid on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Is NewsCorp the only news company to assign a deal?

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<v Speaker 3>They're not?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I can confirm that the Daily Ohs hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been approached for a multimillion Maybe touse Spam maybe check

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<v Speaker 2>it after this, but no.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been other deals met.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know that Politico, which is a political publication

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<v Speaker 2>and an international one, the Associated Press and French newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>Lamond have also got agreements with open Ai.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's clearly now a bit of a playbook for

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<v Speaker 1>media companies that's emerging of go to the AI companies

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<v Speaker 1>and do a deal. But are there other ways?

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<v Speaker 2>But those are only with open Ai. That's one AI company,

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<v Speaker 2>just to be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>So are there other ways that news companies and AI

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<v Speaker 1>are beginning to work each other out?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this is the big conversation as media

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<v Speaker 2>companies strategized, you know, we put our heads together at

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<v Speaker 2>our newsroom and figure out what we can do with AI.

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<v Speaker 2>This is happening in every single company around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can just imagine the millions being caught into

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<v Speaker 2>getting management consultants in to come up with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the next AI strategy for help company.

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<v Speaker 1>Or in information technology.

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<v Speaker 2>It's everywhere exactly and so obviously the News Corp deal

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<v Speaker 2>is one way to work with AI companies and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fairly big step because, as I said, they're giving

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<v Speaker 2>access to their content straight to these AI companies to

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<v Speaker 2>make their machine learning smarter. But there are other companies

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<v Speaker 2>taking smaller steps. Sam Here at TDA, we have been

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<v Speaker 2>looking into, you know, for example, whether AI tools can

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<v Speaker 2>make some video editing a bit quicker. We film every

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<v Speaker 2>single podcast that we do. You can go watch this

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube if you're that way inclined, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have two cameras and are there AI tools that

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<v Speaker 2>can switch between those cameras automatically and that takes out

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of the manual labor that goes into editing

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this ten minute podcast for YouTube. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a very small step, but it's something that AI

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<v Speaker 2>can do. When I look to the rest of the industry,

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking around at how other media companies in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia are dealing with it, and I saw Channel nine

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<v Speaker 2>has recently started using a product called nine Express, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's to reformat their TV scripts.

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<v Speaker 3>Into digital stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So Channel nine houses, of course a number of different

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<v Speaker 2>companies underneath it, and we have the print journalism, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a TV journalism, and then there is a digital journalism.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in a discoimer on their website, nine says

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<v Speaker 2>nine Express makes things easier and quicker for our producers

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<v Speaker 2>and journalists across television and digital. They've then made really

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<v Speaker 2>clear in how it works section how they're actually using

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<v Speaker 2>the AI. So they say, and I quote here, a

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<v Speaker 2>television script contains a number of technical terms in jargon

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<v Speaker 2>so it can be used for a news report. We

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<v Speaker 2>take this originally created script which has been written by

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<v Speaker 2>a television reporter and producer, and then fact checked and

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<v Speaker 2>input it into nine Express. It is then reformatted to

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<v Speaker 2>be used as a digital tech story. It is checked

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<v Speaker 2>again by a producer before being published. It ends by

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<v Speaker 2>saying that nine remains committed to using new technologies in

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<v Speaker 2>a transparent and responsible way.

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<v Speaker 1>And in that very detailed setting out of exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>this process is working for nine, I think you can

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<v Speaker 1>start to identify some of the risks that are involved

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<v Speaker 1>with AI, and for the majority of this podcast, we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the opportunities that AI can present in newsrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is, as that nine disclaimer mentioned, there

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<v Speaker 1>are major ethical and moral issues that arise.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to be responsible exactly, and we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>some of those issues arise in other settings. So if

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<v Speaker 2>we look internationally, at the end of last year, the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times launched legal action against open ai and

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<v Speaker 2>against Microsoft, which has invested billions into open ai, for

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<v Speaker 2>using the New York Times as news content without permission,

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<v Speaker 2>so basically doing the news corp thing, but without any

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<v Speaker 2>of the money or the recognition in doing so. The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times claimed AI generated content threatens the times

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<v Speaker 2>as ability to provide journalism. They claimed that open ai

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<v Speaker 2>is taking materials from The New York Times to train

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<v Speaker 2>the AI, but they're not crediting or attributing that work

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<v Speaker 2>to The New York Times. According to The Times, the

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<v Speaker 2>AI chatbots seek to free ride on the Times as

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<v Speaker 2>massive investment in its journalism by using it to build

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<v Speaker 2>substitutive products without permission or payment.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the doubta in me would say the news Corp.

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<v Speaker 1>Have gone to the table and done a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>Open AI, and The New York Times have done things

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly different way and broad lawsuit that could inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>end in a deal. Yes, this is kind of true,

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<v Speaker 1>sure roads to the same destination. But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line here is that AI is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>built into every industry on the planet, and news is

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<v Speaker 1>no different. And this News Corp deal is a real

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<v Speaker 1>big signal to the market from the biggest media company

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<v Speaker 1>in the world that this new technology is here to

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<v Speaker 1>stay exactly. Thanks for joining us on the Daily Ods

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. Hope you had a wonder full weekend and

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<v Speaker 1>you're off to a good start to your Monday. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be here every day this week, so we'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>again tomorrow morning. Until then, have a good day. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda Bungelung

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