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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday,
Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of May.
Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.
Speaker 2: Each week we hear more and more about how AI
Speaker 2: is changing the world, whether that be for better or
Speaker 2: for worse.
Speaker 3: Artificial intelligence has become so advanced it has now surpassed
Speaker 3: human performance on several basic tasks.
Speaker 1: Some of the news you read is being written by AI,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't know it.
Speaker 2: Now, one of the biggest news companies in the world,
Speaker 2: News Corp, has signed a new deal with one of
Speaker 2: the biggest AI companies in the world, Open Ai, and
Speaker 2: the idea is to better train its AI bots with
Speaker 2: news corps and news reports. Now, while we don't know
Speaker 2: the details of the deal, it's understood to be worth
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars. In today's podcast, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk talk about that new deal, how the broader
Speaker 2: industry is dealing with the growth of AI, and what
Speaker 2: comes next. Before that, ZAM, what's making headlines.
Speaker 1: Over six hundred and seventy people are believed to have
Speaker 1: died in a landslide in Papua New Guinea. According to
Speaker 1: estimates released by the UN's International Organization for Migration, the
Speaker 1: landslide occurred in the remote village of Calcalam on Friday.
Speaker 1: As a major rescue operation continues, Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi
Speaker 1: said Australia stands ready to assist. US. President Joe Biden
Speaker 1: also committed to delivering humanitarian assistance and disaster relief to
Speaker 1: the region.
Speaker 2: Optus is being taken to court over a twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two data breach which saw around ten thousand customers personal
Speaker 2: details published online. The Australian Communications and Media Authority AKMA
Speaker 2: are taking Optis to court on the grounds that the
Speaker 2: telecommunications company failed to protect the confidentiality of its customer
Speaker 2: personal information. The media watchdog said the matter is now
Speaker 2: before the court.
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, the International Court of Justice ordered Israel
Speaker 1: to quote immediately halt its military offensive in Rufa in
Speaker 1: southern Gaza. More than eight hundred thousand Palestinians have been
Speaker 1: forced to flee parts of Raffa in recent weeks as
Speaker 1: Israel conducts military strikes in the area. The ICJS said
Speaker 1: the humanitarian situation in Rafa should now be categorized as
Speaker 1: quote disastrous. In response to the ruling, Israel's Ministry of
Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs said it quote has not and will not
Speaker 1: conduct military operations in the Raffa area, which may inflict
Speaker 1: on the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza conditions of life
Speaker 1: that could bring about its physical destruction.
Speaker 2: And today's good news, the European Space Agency has given
Speaker 2: the world a first glimpse of the dark universe with
Speaker 2: new images showing distant clusters and galaxies. The Euclid telescope
Speaker 2: captured what it called a treasure trial of unprecedented discoveries.
Speaker 2: It's part of a mission that will work towards mapping
Speaker 2: billions of galaxies and researching the formation of the universe.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to take a quick break and
Speaker 2: then the deep dive. NewsCorp and OpenAI, which is the
Speaker 2: tech company that created chat GPT, have signed a multi
Speaker 2: year content deal. NewsCorp, of course, is a multinational media
Speaker 2: and publishing company founded by none.
Speaker 3: Other than Rupert Murdock. We are familiar, We are familiar.
Speaker 2: It owns several international several feels like an understatement, many
Speaker 2: many plethora international and domestic titles, including The Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 2: the Australian News, dot com dot Au. If we keep going,
Speaker 2: we will be here all day, but many many titles
Speaker 2: now under a new partnership, News Corpse content will be
Speaker 2: used to respond to chat GPT's user questions. News Corps
Speaker 2: CEO Robert Thompson said the deal will set new standards
Speaker 2: for voracity, for virtue and for value in the digital age.
Speaker 1: So this was really big news last week, not just
Speaker 1: in media circles but in general news. Before we go
Speaker 1: any further into the deal, can we just go back
Speaker 1: and explain exactly what open ai is. It's chatjbt, right
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: So. It was launched by Sam Altman, who we have
Speaker 2: dedicated many a podcast too, and Tesla owner Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: who we have similarly dedicated many a podcast too. It
Speaker 2: was launched in twenty fifteen and the company's state admission
Speaker 2: was to benefit humanity as a whole. As you said,
Speaker 2: open Ai is most known for launching the conversational chatbot
Speaker 2: chat GPT, and that can generate things like essays and
Speaker 2: poems and travel itineries if you're mean and going on
Speaker 2: your honeymoon.
Speaker 1: It was crazy you told me last week that you
Speaker 1: asked chat GPT the best route for your honeymoon, and it.
Speaker 2: Gave me I'm lazy and I don't have time, and
Speaker 2: my chatbut gives me everything.
Speaker 1: And my chatj BT hack of the week has been
Speaker 1: if you upload a screenshot of a game into chat GPT,
Speaker 1: it will give you the code to build that game.
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking here about terrifying. We're talking here
Speaker 1: about really powerful software. I mean amongst our friends, most
Speaker 1: people are using it for things like writing speeches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, holidays, every wedding speech we have been to.
Speaker 2: The dad has got enough and made a joke about
Speaker 2: how chat GPT has written the wedding speech.
Speaker 1: As without fail. As with any new technology, it's working
Speaker 1: its way into our lives in weird ways. But one
Speaker 1: thing it hasn't been able to do is give us
Speaker 1: reliable news content, right Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that US journalists have been incredibly cocky
Speaker 2: about this. You know, everyone else is fearing for their
Speaker 2: jobs and the age of AI, and yet journos haven't
Speaker 2: quite felt that in the same way. Because you know,
Speaker 2: when you go on to the current free version of
Speaker 2: chat GPT, and I went in and typed in, tell
Speaker 2: me the latest about Julian or Sanche for example, big
Speaker 2: news story. It came back with, I'm sorry for any confusion,
Speaker 2: but I can't provide real time updates or information on
Speaker 2: events occurring beyond my last training data in January twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. And so that is going to this idea
Speaker 2: that AI to inevitably need to be fed the information
Speaker 2: from somewhere and on a recurring basis, and they need
Speaker 2: to be made smarter, and that that needs to be
Speaker 2: a reflection of the kind of ever evolving nature of information.
Speaker 2: If the last time this bot was taught about Julian
Speaker 2: Assiunge was in twenty twenty two, it's got a lot
Speaker 2: of learning to do. And so that's why this deal
Speaker 2: with news Corp is such a big deal, because basically
Speaker 2: NewsCorp has agreed to let open Ai use its content
Speaker 2: to support chat GPT's responses and its learning and to
Speaker 2: enhance the knowledge of its database and systems.
Speaker 1: So basically, in your Julian Dessinge example, it could scrape
Speaker 1: News Corps newspapers from all over the world and give
Speaker 1: you an answer in real time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And so NewsCorp, on their behalf have said that it's
Speaker 2: sharing its resources to ensure the highest journalism standards exist
Speaker 2: across open AI's products, which is interesting. On open ai side,
Speaker 2: the CEO Sam Moltman said the deal was a proud
Speaker 2: moment and he said it was setting the foundation for
Speaker 2: a future where AI deep respects.
Speaker 3: And I think that's an interesting word.
Speaker 2: We're personifying AI here enhances and upholds the standards of
Speaker 2: world class journalism.
Speaker 1: Okay, so right now News Corp is saying open ai
Speaker 1: you can have access to a significant volume of information
Speaker 1: in real time. What are they getting in return?
Speaker 3: Money?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: We don't know the specifics of the agreement because that's
Speaker 2: not been made public by either News Corp or open Ai,
Speaker 2: but NewsCorp would be getting a lot of money out
Speaker 2: of this, and we had some NewsCorp publications reporting on
Speaker 2: the deal that said could have been worth more than
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million US dollars, so around three
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million Australian dollars over the next five years.
Speaker 1: So ultimately a whole new revenue stream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know that in Australia Meta has ended
Speaker 2: its funding for news organizations, including News Corp, and that
Speaker 2: that would have left a gaping hole where those millions
Speaker 2: had been coming in from Meta and so it's interesting
Speaker 2: that NewsCorp has now kind of pivoted and is now
Speaker 2: getting that money from another tech giant, which is open Ai.
Speaker 3: The new kid on the scene.
Speaker 1: Is NewsCorp the only news company to assign a deal?
Speaker 3: They're not?
Speaker 2: I mean I can confirm that the Daily Ohs hasn't
Speaker 2: been approached for a multimillion Maybe touse Spam maybe check
Speaker 2: it after this, but no.
Speaker 3: There have been other deals met.
Speaker 2: So we know that Politico, which is a political publication
Speaker 2: and an international one, the Associated Press and French newspaper
Speaker 2: Lamond have also got agreements with open Ai.
Speaker 1: So there's clearly now a bit of a playbook for
Speaker 1: media companies that's emerging of go to the AI companies
Speaker 1: and do a deal. But are there other ways?
Speaker 2: But those are only with open Ai. That's one AI company,
Speaker 2: just to be clear.
Speaker 1: So are there other ways that news companies and AI
Speaker 1: are beginning to work each other out?
Speaker 3: I think it's a good question.
Speaker 2: I think that this is the big conversation as media
Speaker 2: companies strategized, you know, we put our heads together at
Speaker 2: our newsroom and figure out what we can do with AI.
Speaker 2: This is happening in every single company around the world.
Speaker 2: Like you can just imagine the millions being caught into
Speaker 2: getting management consultants in to come up with, you know,
Speaker 2: the next AI strategy for help company.
Speaker 1: Or in information technology.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere exactly and so obviously the News Corp deal
Speaker 2: is one way to work with AI companies and it's
Speaker 2: a fairly big step because, as I said, they're giving
Speaker 2: access to their content straight to these AI companies to
Speaker 2: make their machine learning smarter. But there are other companies
Speaker 2: taking smaller steps. Sam Here at TDA, we have been
Speaker 2: looking into, you know, for example, whether AI tools can
Speaker 2: make some video editing a bit quicker. We film every
Speaker 2: single podcast that we do. You can go watch this
Speaker 2: on YouTube if you're that way inclined, and you know,
Speaker 2: we have two cameras and are there AI tools that
Speaker 2: can switch between those cameras automatically and that takes out
Speaker 2: a bit of the manual labor that goes into editing
Speaker 2: you know, this ten minute podcast for YouTube. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a very small step, but it's something that AI
Speaker 2: can do. When I look to the rest of the industry,
Speaker 2: I was looking around at how other media companies in
Speaker 2: Australia are dealing with it, and I saw Channel nine
Speaker 2: has recently started using a product called nine Express, and
Speaker 2: that's to reformat their TV scripts.
Speaker 3: Into digital stories.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: So Channel nine houses, of course a number of different
Speaker 2: companies underneath it, and we have the print journalism, there
Speaker 2: is a TV journalism, and then there is a digital journalism.
Speaker 2: And so in a discoimer on their website, nine says
Speaker 2: nine Express makes things easier and quicker for our producers
Speaker 2: and journalists across television and digital. They've then made really
Speaker 2: clear in how it works section how they're actually using
Speaker 2: the AI. So they say, and I quote here, a
Speaker 2: television script contains a number of technical terms in jargon
Speaker 2: so it can be used for a news report. We
Speaker 2: take this originally created script which has been written by
Speaker 2: a television reporter and producer, and then fact checked and
Speaker 2: input it into nine Express. It is then reformatted to
Speaker 2: be used as a digital tech story. It is checked
Speaker 2: again by a producer before being published. It ends by
Speaker 2: saying that nine remains committed to using new technologies in
Speaker 2: a transparent and responsible way.
Speaker 1: And in that very detailed setting out of exactly how
Speaker 1: this process is working for nine, I think you can
Speaker 1: start to identify some of the risks that are involved
Speaker 1: with AI, and for the majority of this podcast, we've
Speaker 1: talked about the opportunities that AI can present in newsrooms.
Speaker 1: But the reality is, as that nine disclaimer mentioned, there
Speaker 1: are major ethical and moral issues that arise.
Speaker 2: And you have to be responsible exactly, and we've seen
Speaker 2: some of those issues arise in other settings. So if
Speaker 2: we look internationally, at the end of last year, the
Speaker 2: New York Times launched legal action against open ai and
Speaker 2: against Microsoft, which has invested billions into open ai, for
Speaker 2: using the New York Times as news content without permission,
Speaker 2: so basically doing the news corp thing, but without any
Speaker 2: of the money or the recognition in doing so. The
Speaker 2: New York Times claimed AI generated content threatens the times
Speaker 2: as ability to provide journalism. They claimed that open ai
Speaker 2: is taking materials from The New York Times to train
Speaker 2: the AI, but they're not crediting or attributing that work
Speaker 2: to The New York Times. According to The Times, the
Speaker 2: AI chatbots seek to free ride on the Times as
Speaker 2: massive investment in its journalism by using it to build
Speaker 2: substitutive products without permission or payment.
Speaker 1: Now, the doubta in me would say the news Corp.
Speaker 1: Have gone to the table and done a deal with
Speaker 1: Open AI, and The New York Times have done things
Speaker 1: a slightly different way and broad lawsuit that could inevitably
Speaker 1: end in a deal. Yes, this is kind of true,
Speaker 1: sure roads to the same destination. But I think the
Speaker 1: bottom line here is that AI is going to be
Speaker 1: built into every industry on the planet, and news is
Speaker 1: no different. And this News Corp deal is a real
Speaker 1: big signal to the market from the biggest media company
Speaker 1: in the world that this new technology is here to
Speaker 1: stay exactly. Thanks for joining us on the Daily Ods
Speaker 1: this morning. Hope you had a wonder full weekend and
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