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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and joining

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Speaker 1: us live in the studio this morning from the COLP

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Speaker 1: we've got Marie Claire booth Pe Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Keasier Puick the Independent, Good morning to you, Ez. Get

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Speaker 3: back after a couple of weeks off.

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Speaker 4: I've been down in the Blue mountains and they're not.

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Speaker 3: Just blue, their bloody blue blue mountains.

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Speaker 4: I've got windy roads. According to my mother, not good.

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Speaker 4: But we survived for a wedding for my knees. But

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Speaker 4: I've got to be back and hellow Bush people.

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Speaker 1: Morning, Good morning to everybody out there listening, and of

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Speaker 1: course from the Labor Party, we've got Naria Kis this

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Speaker 1: morning from Karama.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to.

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Speaker 5: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you all in the studio now.

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Speaker 1: I do, obviously our show does focus on local issues,

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Speaker 1: but I do really want to well to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Israel conflict. And we know that there was some

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Speaker 1: positive news yesterday in the sense that the Federal government

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Speaker 1: has now announced that they're going to begin assisted departure

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Speaker 1: of Australians affected by the situation in Israel and Gaza.

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Speaker 1: The government said on Monday that they directed Department of

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Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs and Trade to assess all options to assist

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Speaker 1: Australians wanting to leave. The Australian government assisted departure flights

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Speaker 1: are now going to depart well starting I believe early

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Speaker 1: hours of tomorrow morning our time, and those that already

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Speaker 1: have plans to leave on commercial options are obviously encouraged

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Speaker 1: to continue to do so. But all the while there

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Speaker 1: is incredibly disturbing scenes.

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Speaker 3: It's quite unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I think in this day and age, some of what

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Speaker 1: we are here in come out of Israel. Disturbing images

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Speaker 1: of dead babies and their charred remains have been released

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Speaker 1: as Israel's vengeance spread across the Middle East. The US

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln was in shock at those

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Speaker 1: bodies of soldiers and the bullet riddled corpses of children

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Speaker 1: as he visited Israel to offer unconditional military support.

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Speaker 3: It is just horrendous what's gone on.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. I mean, the region itself

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Speaker 4: has got a long and torturous history in regards to conflict,

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Speaker 4: and it's obviously not going away anytime fast. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we're going back we're going back centuries, you know, the

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Speaker 4: conflict in that region. And I think what's happened is

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Speaker 4: apart from the actual first lot of bombings and terror

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Speaker 4: on the hop and as you said, Katie, vengeance will

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Speaker 4: be theirs. Their military has been embarrassed, their intelligence has

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Speaker 4: but I have read that he has formed a war

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Speaker 4: and I think sadly the worst is yet to come.

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Speaker 4: Vengeance will be theirs, and I think they will stop

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Speaker 4: at nothing to why the Hummos off the map, and

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Speaker 4: that in itself then leads to other potential conflict because

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Speaker 4: Ummas obviously has allies, Israel has allies, Israel's part of NATO.

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Speaker 4: Hummas has got all its networks within it, its community

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Speaker 4: not like olden day conflicts where there was some kind

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Speaker 4: These days it's all game. And you've got children's soldiers

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Speaker 4: like you know, as they call me. They're in the

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Speaker 4: And you know, they haven't just thought about this. This

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Speaker 4: do we get to get back at these bastards over

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Speaker 4: never know us humble people here in Darwin. But this

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Speaker 4: the Hummus people and I think the worst is yet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, you know, it was absolutely horrendous in

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Speaker 1: When there is babies and children being beheaded when there

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Speaker 3: And killed and then killed it is humanely, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It is next level. It is the next level of

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Speaker 4: Say, and I don't know where I read it or

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Speaker 4: so I've read to get their messages out what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: And they take no prisoners literally, they will take no prisoners.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think you know when the family's

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Speaker 4: does at any time there's an issue or conflict in

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Speaker 4: the country, they try and get their citizens out. But

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Speaker 4: these things just don't happen overnight. You know. Yes, Constius

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Speaker 4: is our carrier main carry them. Yes, but they have

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Speaker 4: with the COMWORLF government. They also cannot put their people

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Speaker 4: you know, people start saying, oh bloody Australian government. You know,

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Speaker 4: why aren't they in here picking us up? You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm scared. I'm scared you went to a high risk

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Speaker 4: country you went. I'm not saying you shouldn't go to

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Speaker 4: and all that sort of thing, but if you go

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Speaker 4: you take a calculated risk when you go to those countries.

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Speaker 4: And thank you the Federal government. You know, because if

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Speaker 4: to come and help me. So be patient, That's what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And don't expect government to be on your doorstep,

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Speaker 4: you know, every second minute when something goes wrong.

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Speaker 1: And we did speak to the Federal Minister for Transport yesterday,

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Speaker 3: And yet we know that there is an northern territory.

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Speaker 1: Will a Palmestan family that's there at the moment hopefully

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Speaker 1: But you know, for those that for those that are

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Speaker 3: Yeah there is.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find that number now, but yes,

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Speaker 1: there is quite a.

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Speaker 3: Large number from what I've heard love this morning.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people and I've known people, they seek

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Speaker 4: They seek it as a way of life, to know

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Speaker 4: I think it was one of the kibbutz's right on

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're feeling it here in Australia too, with the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is sad and horrifying.

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Speaker 6: I think every Australian would have heard or seen, you know,

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Speaker 6: the pictures that you're talking about, Katie.

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Speaker 5: It's just absolutely horrific.

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Speaker 6: And you know, thank you to the Australian government and

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Speaker 6: over there. Like Kezia said, the conflict has gone on

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Speaker 6: I'm with Marie Claire. I think we need a greater

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Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a very quick break and

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Speaker 1: of a political football right now by the two former

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Speaker 4: We've got WA that's got high oborriginal population.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think that you know, I think the

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Speaker 3: To focus on. And yes, we do want some.

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Speaker 1: Focus here in the territory because we want to see

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Speaker 1: some change. But to say that we're a failed state

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Speaker 2: Then these former prime ministers wouldn't have to say the

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, the COLP was in power

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Speaker 1: But both sides of politics have a part to play

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Speaker 3: Situation that we're in right now.

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Speaker 4: Surely, Katie, there's two parts to what you brought in

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Speaker 4: this country. Now, personally, I think those two prime ministers

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Speaker 3: Thought you're going to say something else there.

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Speaker 4: Just say to a you know, be dignified in your

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Speaker 4: the thing. We are not a failed state. We have

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Speaker 4: We have a large land mass, we have a spread

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Speaker 1: Issue with people that dinactually live in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: happy for you to look in and and you know observer,

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Speaker 1: In Tony Abbot's defense, I think that he did travel

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Speaker 1: other prime ministers have. And you know, the fact is

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Speaker 4: Not only government has poured billions into the economy, industry

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Speaker 4: There's money that has come from industry, not just mining,

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Speaker 4: don't know if someone has said it, I've read it

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Speaker 4: about undertaking audits of you know, where expenditure goes, where

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Speaker 4: You have to account for it. You have to you know,

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Speaker 5: Accountability is that keyword, Keysier.

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Speaker 6: It's making sure that and you're right, there's got to

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Speaker 6: the intervention was based upon coming up with, you know,

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Speaker 5: Rammifications in the Northern territory. They should have done their homework.

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Speaker 5: So we are not a failed state.

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Speaker 6: And it's really great to hear you know, all of

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Speaker 5: It's not nice for you.

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Speaker 6: Know, our territory to be used as a political football.

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Speaker 6: And I agree with you, Gizy. I think people when

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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister of Australia had every opportunity to help

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Speaker 5: It's unfair and you had your opportunity.

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Speaker 6: And if you want to help out, give us a

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Speaker 1: And look, we'll talk about the voice in just a second,

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Speaker 4: Which government's you're referring to, it means an Northern Territory government. Now,

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Speaker 4: I think it's just such a complex and complicated issue.

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Speaker 4: Therefore they are partly deaf, they don't hear well at school,

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Speaker 4: they get disinterested, et cetera, et cetera. So to just

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Speaker 3: Don't forget it.

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Speaker 4: Was way back when.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about these issues, I mean when

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Speaker 3: And we've just discussed it.

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Speaker 1: We've also just discussed funding and the enormous amounts of

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think Katie the Voice, in whatever

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Speaker 1: What we have seen and like we've literally just discussed

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Speaker 1: it means that those policies change and what was being

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Speaker 3: If we had a voice, would that make some kind

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Speaker 6: I absolutely believe it would, Katie, And that's why I'm

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Speaker 6: a big advocate and a supporter.

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Speaker 5: Of the voice.

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Speaker 6: I think the best way for government in the Federal

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Speaker 5: People right around the country.

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Speaker 6: I take on keysiest point and I've had a number

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Speaker 6: been really healthy talks and debates. But if people spend

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Speaker 6: understanding community life, understanding a lot of our mob don't

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Speaker 6: I worked in the Intervention. I took a job in

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Speaker 6: communities about the impact. I watched a lot of the

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Speaker 6: men become disempowered. Remember that it was based off things

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Speaker 6: where they were making allegations that men were doing the

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Speaker 6: wrong thing against There was pornography involved, there was pedophilia,

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Speaker 6: and how would you like to be labeled as that.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of chucked the blanket over. We've got the

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Speaker 6: way forward, but you actually don't if the intervention, If

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Speaker 6: when planning the INTERVI mentioned the federal government had have

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Speaker 6: actually spoke to First Nations people in the territory, in

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Speaker 6: those remote communities, they would have told them it wouldn't work,

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Speaker 6: So hopefully they wouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 1: What we're doing right now, though, isn't working either. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a really tough part. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know where we get it so wrong.

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Speaker 3: But it's not working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, Whe're some years on from that intervention, and

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Speaker 2: you're right, we have a different government now, and you

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Speaker 2: know it was the Labor government who implemented the intervention

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Speaker 2: after it was ordered by the coalition at the time.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you just say you're out speaking to

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Speaker 2: people on the ground about that. I mean, when our

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Speaker 2: team is out speaking to Indigenous communities, the one thing

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Speaker 2: they're telling us is that they want to take that

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Speaker 2: control of their communities and actually have you know, go

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Speaker 2: back to the shires or the smaller councils that they

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Speaker 2: had so they can make their own decisions. They feel

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Speaker 2: like that there's all these other people telling them what

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Speaker 2: to do all the time, and so they can't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've got plenty of Indigenous people that are telling me

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Speaker 2: every day that they just can't see how this change

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Speaker 2: to the constitution is going to make their lives better

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Speaker 2: on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, this is I suppose this is a

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Speaker 1: really hard point at this you know right now, is

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Speaker 1: that it is looking as though it's going to be no.

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Speaker 1: It's looking like tomorrow. That is how it's going to

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Speaker 1: it's going.

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Speaker 3: To roll out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go on the numbers that are

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Speaker 1: coming through, that is the way that it's looking at

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Speaker 1: this point in time.

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Speaker 4: The country has voted already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so I'll read some of the numbers that

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Speaker 1: were printed yesterday. So it's saying that Australians are most

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Speaker 1: likely to vote. The Australians that are most likely to

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Speaker 1: vote Yes it's Saturday's Voice to Parliament referendum are the

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Speaker 1: ones that if they live in one of a.

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Speaker 3: Handful of inner city electorates.

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Speaker 1: This is according to a News Corps story yesterday, with

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of seats in suburban, regional and rural

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Speaker 1: Australia sharpening their pencils to vote no.

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Speaker 3: So this new analysis by UK.

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Speaker 1: Firm Focal Data, using advanced statistical techniques pioneered at the

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Speaker 1: most recent Australian and British elections, revealed that just twenty

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Speaker 1: two out of one hundred and fifty one federal electorates

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Speaker 1: home to a majority of likely Yes voters in New

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Speaker 1: South Wales, only a handful of inner city and suburban

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Speaker 1: seats are expected to vote yes, with with the seat

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Speaker 1: of Sydney expected to come in at seventy point four

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Speaker 1: percent in favor of the referendum. So, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can go through all of the different seats. Even for

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Speaker 1: us here in the Northern Territory, it's looking like Lingiari

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Speaker 1: is going to be a no. It is looking like

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Speaker 1: Solomon is going to be a no. That is according

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Speaker 1: to this data. And we never know until you're actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, until the results actually start to come in. Look,

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Speaker 1: I voted yes, And the reason that I voted yes

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Speaker 1: is because I do want to see some change.

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Speaker 3: I want to see that self determination.

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Speaker 1: I want to see, you know, when a new government

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Speaker 1: comes in that there isn't new policies that change the

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Speaker 1: way that things are being delivered and more money being

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Speaker 1: poured into something that's not actually working. I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether it will make a difference. I really don't, but

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, I'm just at the point where

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Speaker 1: I think what we're doing right now is not working.

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Speaker 4: Some parts do work, all right. We should acknowledge that

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter which government's in power. There are parts within

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Speaker 4: our community of a range of programs to do with

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Speaker 4: all sorts of things, and they do work, and they

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Speaker 4: work well because of one the design and then to

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Speaker 4: the implementation, but also to focus and not exclusively on

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Speaker 4: the outcomes and the outputs. I think what happens a

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Speaker 4: lot of the time, and it happens within our community

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Speaker 4: in the public service, is they set up a program

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Speaker 4: and they just focus on the processes and they don't

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Speaker 4: focus on what do we actually want to get out

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Speaker 4: of this and how we're going to gauge if we

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Speaker 4: do get what we want to get, you know. So

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Speaker 4: I think there's big chunks in our community that work

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Speaker 4: very well across the board. But it also comes back

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Speaker 4: to get success, you've got to have really good, strong leadership.

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Speaker 4: Now that's the question that could be asked, and it

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Speaker 4: could be up for discussion or debate whether this Labor

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Speaker 4: government has had good leadership in regards to delivering programs

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Speaker 4: and delivering legislation that's going to get outputs and outcomes

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Speaker 4: that can be gauged or judged.

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Speaker 2: I think whatever happens on Saturday with the result of

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Speaker 2: the referendum, the work needs to be done, and that

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Speaker 2: needs to be done by the governments who have been

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Speaker 2: elected to lead our nation and to lead the territory

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Speaker 2: of course, and so as I say, no matter what

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Speaker 2: the result is, there is so much work that needs

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Speaker 2: to be done. We have the most astronomical levels of crime.

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Speaker 2: We have seniors that won't even leave their backyards for exercise,

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Speaker 2: which obviously plays to their mental health. You know. We

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Speaker 2: have families that don't want to send their kids on

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Speaker 2: the bus to school. These are the types of real

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Speaker 2: issues that territories speak to me about every single day

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Speaker 2: in my community, and that is what all of the

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Speaker 2: labor government members need to be focused on, no matter

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Speaker 2: what the result of the referendum is.

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Speaker 4: Katie, I had a briefing with all these center Melanderie McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: She offered it and so I had a talk and

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Speaker 4: had to listen, and I asked her the question. I said,

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Speaker 4: has your government, as in federal government, given any consideration

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Speaker 4: if this referendum doesn't get up? And I really didn't

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Speaker 4: get a fullsome answer, but in short it was not

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Speaker 4: really no. So I think in any exercise there should

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Speaker 4: be some consideration, and I think the federal goverment's now

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Speaker 4: doing it. When they realized that it's not going to

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Speaker 4: get up, and so the language changed completely. It was

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Speaker 4: like oh, well, yes, if it doesn't get up. But

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Speaker 4: it's been a good discussion. It's been a good debate.

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Speaker 4: It's highlighted the issues of disadvantage. Well, you should have

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Speaker 4: actually thought about it.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think they've sold the message well

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Speaker 1: at all. And I think that if it had liput

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Speaker 1: into constitutional recognition right from the get go, I reckon

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of Australians would have voted yes if.

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Speaker 4: The constitution, if the wording was such that the Aboriginal

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Speaker 4: torrestate on a lot of people were the first people

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Speaker 4: in this country. Well, of course they were, and to

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Speaker 4: recognize him in our constitution. You're right, Katie, people have

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Speaker 4: got yeah, that were the first people here.

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Speaker 1: I mean fundamentally, what the federal government asking what they

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Speaker 1: were asking, or what they're asking the Australian people to

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Speaker 1: do with trust politicians, which by very nature we just don't.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's where they've had a real issue,

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Speaker 1: is that when you're asking all of Australia to say, look,

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Speaker 1: we want to do this, you're just going to have

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Speaker 1: to trust us on the way that it works, when

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Speaker 1: by very nature we're all going we'll hang on a

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Speaker 1: Sekia quite often. No disrespect to the three of you

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Speaker 1: in the studio with me this morning, but by very

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Speaker 1: nature we sort of go. Sometimes politicians tell us one

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Speaker 1: thing and then do another.

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Speaker 4: They beat to the drum of a four or three

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Speaker 4: election cycle. Yes, and that's that's the nature of our country.

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Speaker 4: And you're right, Katie, it wasn't. It wasn't sol public

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Speaker 4: relations disaster. Quite frankly, Albanesi, Prime Minister alban Esi, I

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Speaker 4: don't think we'll have his job taken away from and

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Speaker 4: think he'll stay there, as has happened with lots of

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Speaker 4: other referendums in the country. He doesn't get rid of

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Speaker 4: the prime minister even when they fail. But I think

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Speaker 4: what it has done is it has created a division,

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Speaker 4: or it has created angst within the community. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've had the angst coming out of COVID with the

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Speaker 4: anti vaxist sentiment and all this bloody sovereign right shit

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Speaker 4: that you know, people hang on to. And this has

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Speaker 4: really divided people. You know, it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: real Now, if you vote no, you're automatically a racist. Now,

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Speaker 4: what a load of bullshit. I thought we had the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to vote yes or no, and people will vote

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Speaker 4: yes or no.

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Speaker 5: Let me raiate the input.

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Speaker 6: And I've spoken to a number of people in my

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Speaker 6: own electorate, nonindigenous, local residents of Karama and malacc who

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Speaker 6: have said, Narri, I'm all for a voice. I just

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Speaker 6: don't want to tinker with our first document, which is

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Speaker 6: our constitution.

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Speaker 5: And you know that's what I pried territorians on.

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Speaker 6: I have a lot of really good, in depth conversations

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Speaker 6: and by no means do I ever consider anyone who's

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Speaker 6: voting no a racist unless you say I'm not voting

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Speaker 6: because tomorrow, because Aberaginal people are.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to have a big issue.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you you face absolutely, these are

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Speaker 6: really good conversations.

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Speaker 5: And you know this, gentleman, I.

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Speaker 6: Was able, We were able to go back and forth

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Speaker 6: about you know, this is a very old document. It's

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Speaker 6: older than a century. It was created by white men,

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Speaker 6: it didn't include black.

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Speaker 5: People or women.

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Speaker 6: It's outdated, and there is a reason why tinkering with

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Speaker 6: the Constitution hardly ever gets up.

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Speaker 5: It's not supposed to be an easy process.

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Speaker 6: And so I've said to a lot of people throughout

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Speaker 6: the entire campaign, whether you vote yes or whether you

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Speaker 6: vote no. My job as an elected member, as an

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Speaker 6: a proud Black following the territory, I want to make

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Speaker 6: sure you have access to all of the information so

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Speaker 6: you make an informed decision. I respect that I'm not

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Speaker 6: even going to ask you how you're going to vote.

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Speaker 6: Most of the time, that's none of my business.

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Speaker 5: If you want to share it with that, great.

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Speaker 6: We need to get together on Sunday because there are

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Speaker 6: a lot of issues and that's what my government continues

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Speaker 6: to look at how the world, how our territory, how

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Speaker 6: the communities have changed, and making sure that our government

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Speaker 6: systems are fit for purpose for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to have to take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was. If you've just joined us,

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Speaker 3: it is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: We've got Marie Claire Boothby Keys here, Puric and Naria

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Speaker 1: Keys in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, some changes for the c or P.

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Speaker 1: We are just what's ten months out now from an election,

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Speaker 1: so I've no doubt that there's going to be plenty

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Speaker 1: of announcements made by both political parties and all the

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Speaker 1: independents and everyone in between over the coming months.

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Speaker 3: But what we know is that the former Northern Territory Chief.

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Speaker 1: Minister, Shane Stone has been elected as the new President

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Speaker 1: of the Country Liberal Party as the party fights to

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Speaker 1: will take control of government in twenty twenty four. Now

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Speaker 1: the COLP well, he has held the role twice before.

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Speaker 1: The President Shane Stones held the role twice before and

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Speaker 1: was also previously the President of the National Liberal Party

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: And when asked at that press conference on Monday, why

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Speaker 1: the COLP membership elected him for the role, mister Stone

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Speaker 1: said it was because I know how to win. He said,

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Speaker 1: I've got a track record of proven of proven winning

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Speaker 1: both at state and federal level. I took the COLP

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Speaker 1: as the Chief Minister to their highest level of electoral

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Speaker 1: success in its history.

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Speaker 3: It's time for a change in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Katie, we welcome back Shane Stone, absolutely welcome him. He

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Speaker 2: is a wealth of experience and says, you've just highlighted

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Speaker 2: I mean you've said it all yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I read it from an article, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: my personal endorsement. It's just reading an article.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely value him being there as the party's leader,

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Speaker 2: and you know his whole job's going to be to

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Speaker 2: help mobilize members and to you know, get those members

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Speaker 2: to help our team, you know, become the finocciero led

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Speaker 2: Sea or peak government.

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Speaker 3: Casey, what do you make of it all?

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Speaker 1: Because you've been part of the CLP obviously are an

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Speaker 1: independent now big side there.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not sure what election he's referring to where

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Speaker 4: he had a thumping win. I can't recall, but I mean, yes,

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Speaker 4: he was the chief minister. I think he was from memory,

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Speaker 4: was a pretty good chief minister apart from the fact

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Speaker 4: he cost us the referendum on statehood when because I

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Speaker 4: was part of that process and the famous words in

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Speaker 4: regards to there was questions about the structure and the

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Speaker 4: wording and all that sort of stuff, and he said, well,

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Speaker 4: if you don't like it, don't vote for it. So

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Speaker 4: that's what people did. And I had my friends saying

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Speaker 4: no because of what shapes dictated to them and I

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Speaker 4: use that word carefully dictated to them. So he did

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Speaker 4: cost us that the state would referendum. We could have

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Speaker 4: almost been well, we could have been a state by now. So,

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Speaker 4: but of course there's lots of people like we get

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Speaker 4: a turner over thirty percent of the electric you know,

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Speaker 4: with election cycles, there's a lot of people around who's

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Speaker 4: a lot higher at the moment, No Shanstone and that's

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Speaker 4: the way it is. But you know, look if the

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Speaker 4: Seal Peece got him back on board, and he does

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Speaker 4: have experience, there's no doubt about it. You know, he's

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Speaker 4: been a chief minister, he's been you know, president of

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Speaker 4: the Liberal Party whatever, he's been involved in national campaigns.

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Speaker 4: But the bottom line is going to be with this

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Speaker 4: coming election is are you going to have better policies

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Speaker 4: than the other mob? What are they and what are

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Speaker 4: you going to do to help the territory? And I

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Speaker 4: know the k the SEALPA says we've got a plan.

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Speaker 4: I actually like to see it. I like to see

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Speaker 4: the nuts.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of territories as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, like I've been around long enough, and Murray

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Speaker 4: Clay have been around a little bit not so long.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you can say I've got a plan.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to clean up the streets. How are you

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Speaker 4: going to clean up the streets? How are you going

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Speaker 4: to it's probably probably the economic thing is probably the easiest,

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Speaker 4: I think, is to encourage investment and to get things going.

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Speaker 4: And it hasn't got a lot to do with the bad,

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Speaker 4: nasty stuff on our streets or in our bottle shops.

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Speaker 4: It's to do with the high level of attracting investment

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Speaker 4: to the church because we have the potential. We know

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Speaker 4: we have the potential. And for so long I've been

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Speaker 4: banging on about the fact that you don't have any

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Speaker 4: major minds coming up behind you. And only now Nicole Madison,

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Speaker 4: the Minister, has decided, oh shit, we're facing a royalty cliff.

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Speaker 4: We've been facing the royalty cliff for the last bloody five.

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Speaker 2: Years, and introduce the legislation about the Territory Coordinator keys

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Speaker 2: now so that we could actually get our economy moving

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Speaker 2: again and have major projects that actually come to pruision

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Speaker 2: and out of the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the perfect piece of that could have done it.

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Speaker 4: But let's be clear about this. Every government takes credit

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Speaker 4: for when there's large investments, you know, that's just the

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Speaker 4: way it is, nature of the game of politics. But

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Speaker 4: a lot of time business will come here despite of government.

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Speaker 4: Minds will open, despite the value, but they will look

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Speaker 4: at the charity as whether it's an attractive place to

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Speaker 4: invest their dollars in mining, for example, or in construction

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Speaker 4: or anything else for that matter. But the CLP have

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Speaker 4: to demonstrate in a very realistic way, how are you

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Speaker 4: going to sort out law and order, what's your what's

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Speaker 4: your policies in regards to education, and how are you

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Speaker 4: going to sort out our hospitals from having code browns?

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Speaker 1: And this is three things that will winndred Per one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent agree with that. And I think that you

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Speaker 1: know that labor there their line to the CLP is

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Speaker 1: that you know that they're a one trick pony that

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Speaker 1: all they talk about at this point in time is

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Speaker 1: crime and personal safety and and you know, yes that

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Speaker 1: is the case because that is the number one.

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Speaker 3: Issue for a lot of territories.

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Speaker 1: But you've got to have policies also, you know they

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Speaker 1: also you need to make sure that there are policies

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Speaker 1: for things like health, that there is things like housing.

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Speaker 3: And other areas the economy. Yeah, that's exactly the voice.

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Speaker 6: Because you don't think things are going to get better,

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Speaker 6: explain to territories how you actually got to make it better.

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Speaker 4: And I mean you have a plan and a plan

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Speaker 4: has components to I guess I'm interested in some of

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Speaker 4: the components. I guess your Rowty schemes you think around

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Speaker 4: well when it comes to land release and play for

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Speaker 4: your future of the top end, I'll just talk for

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Speaker 4: the top end. What's the seal peace policy in regards

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Speaker 4: to word deal and so regards to this, That's where

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Speaker 4: they're going to have to start to.

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Speaker 3: Drill they are going to really have to start to

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Speaker 3: drill down.

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Speaker 1: But let's you know, the government's certainly not off the

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Speaker 1: hook though, either, because you're going to have to explain

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Speaker 1: to territories how are you going to actually make them

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Speaker 1: any safer in the next I haven't done anything the

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Speaker 1: last four years exactly right, So it is going to

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Speaker 1: be a really interesting ten months. I mean, are you

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Speaker 1: thinking easier that there's going to be more independence put

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Speaker 1: their hands up. I don't think we're going to see

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Speaker 1: like a teal wave nationally.

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Speaker 4: That's stupid.

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Speaker 1: But also but I also think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: territories learnt their lesson from the last election where we

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Speaker 1: had Terry Mills and the Territory Alliance come through and

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Speaker 1: everybody go on a.

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Speaker 4: Second or Terry Mills did was split the conservative simple line,

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Speaker 4: and I personally think it was out of vengeance, but

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Speaker 4: you know that's another story. More independents put up their hand, sure,

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Speaker 4: good on you, And I've given the benefit of my

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Speaker 4: wisdom to a couple of people who're sort of.

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Speaker 3: Thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: And if more people want to put their hand up,

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Speaker 4: but don't get dewy eyed and romantic about it. It's

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Speaker 4: hard work solid win a seat as an independent, particularly

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Speaker 4: off a sitting member. Say like Mari, you know, so

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Speaker 4: this is my tip. Independent members getting elected will not

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Speaker 4: hold the balance of power. It will go to one

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Speaker 4: of the major parties, and there'll be probably independence like myself,

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Speaker 4: like Rob Homing I get elected, Mark the Mark Turner's

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Speaker 4: Mayomo I get elected maybe one. But you've got to

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Speaker 4: be super high profile and you've just been known, like

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Speaker 4: like someone like Nri if she's stopping a labor part

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Speaker 4: of person, then right as an independent, she most likely

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Speaker 4: get elected.

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Speaker 3: But acause you've already been the member for what sometimes

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Speaker 3: but he and dearly A. Laurie struggled with that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know, you'd have a very high profile.

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Speaker 4: Preferences. Preferences are the key people people think things just

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Speaker 4: magically happen. They don't know. It's all about numbers.

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Speaker 1: What about Do you think we're going to see an

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Speaker 1: increase in the Greens candidates particularly but no, definitely not,

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Speaker 1: I don't think, but particularly in some of those labor

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Speaker 1: held seats. There's you know, where people have been quite

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Speaker 1: against some of the decisions around fracking and various other things.

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Speaker 4: They will, I think they'd be smart to target the

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Speaker 4: seats where they've.

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Speaker 7: Sort of got a bit of a foothold, which helped

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Speaker 7: Fanny Bay, which is Nightcliff, maybe Casarina, you know, there's

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Speaker 7: some the lady who ran for council the Greens layer.

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Speaker 4: You know, from from an election point of view, and

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Speaker 4: garnishing the vote. They won't win a seat, but I

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Speaker 4: think the referencing, well, it's correct because Fanny Brent Potter

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Speaker 4: wasn't head on primaries, but he got them on preferences.

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Speaker 4: That's the nature of our preferential system. So yes, I

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Speaker 4: think they will target seats and they will perhaps get

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Speaker 4: a little bit more than what they have in the past. Yep,

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Speaker 4: but they won't win a seat.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a very interesting ten

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Speaker 3: months to say.

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Speaker 2: I guess you know that's a long time for people

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Speaker 2: who are living in the territory. So right now our

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Speaker 2: focus is absolutely holding the Labor government to account. We've

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Speaker 2: got two weeks of Parliament coming up. Sadly there's not

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Speaker 2: much on the agenda to deal with the things that

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Speaker 2: territorianes are talking about, and I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: seeing what the Labor government introduced next week into Parliament

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Speaker 2: and hopefully it's something that they're actually talking about.

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Speaker 4: Rather than what the Labor Government want to do.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to mix.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, keen to talk about the situation

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Speaker 1: with the Barkley Regional mayor if you've just joined us

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Speaker 1: Nari R kit Keesi Apuric and Mary Clare Boothby in

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Speaker 1: the studio this morning for the week that was now.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this week we learned that the Barkley Regional Mayor, well,

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Speaker 1: he said that he's not going to resign after coming

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Speaker 1: under fire over vision showing him pinning an Indigenous boy

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Speaker 1: to the ground. Now, the ABC was reporting that a

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Speaker 1: confidential meeting of the Berkley Regional Council was going to

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Speaker 1: be held earlier in the week to discuss the actions

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Speaker 1: of their mayor, Jeffrey McLaughlin, who's due to return from

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Speaker 1: three weeks of pre arranged leave next week. Footage of

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Speaker 1: that incident, which is said to have occurred late August,

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Speaker 1: shows the Barkley mayors sitting on a boy while another

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Speaker 1: man makes threats towards that young boy, and in an

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Speaker 1: interview with the ABC in the Berkley, the mayor had

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Speaker 1: said that he had performed a citizen's arrest after the

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Speaker 1: child allegedly broke into his home and was chased into

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Speaker 1: his neighbour's yard.

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Speaker 3: He said, I didn't squish him. I just sat on him.

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Speaker 1: I said I can't let you go. It's school hours.

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Speaker 1: I was there for the child's welfare. Now, he also

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Speaker 1: he had said, you know that he was not the

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Speaker 1: one who was making other comments in that video and

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Speaker 1: did not condone those comments.

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Speaker 3: But I think that there is well.

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Speaker 1: We've then got the Acting Children's Commissioner, Nicole Hucks, saying

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Speaker 1: in a statement that she was deeply concerned that this

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Speaker 1: footage showed vigilanteism is alive and well in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory and that this behavior is deeply sorry is also

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Speaker 1: only encouraging encouraged by continued negative, stereotypical and often discriminatory

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Speaker 1: portrayal of children in the media and on social media,

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Speaker 1: which has to stop. Now, I want to say that

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Speaker 1: we have got kids in the Northern Territory that are

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Speaker 1: breaking the law. That is why the media reports on

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Speaker 1: those different situations. Earlier in the week, I had to

873
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Speaker 1: report on the fact that there was a seventeen year old,

874
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: a ten year old and an eight year old that

875
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: broke in to the shopping center and stole allegedly crossbow

876
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: and various other knives. We also had a situation in

877
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: Catherine just a couple of days ago where the police

878
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: were obviously reporting that there had been a woman who'd

879
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: been sent upon by five female youths allegedly assaulting her

880
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: at the entrance of a store at the Catherine Central

881
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: Shopping Center complex.

882
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Now to say that you know that the media and.

883
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: That social media discriminatory towards the portrayal of children, I

884
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: don't buy that we are reporting on issues that are

885
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: happening in the Northern Territory. Do I think it's okay

886
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: to sit on a kid that's broken into your house? No,

887
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't, but I can understand why people are at

888
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: the point where if someone's broken in, they're incredibly frustrated

889
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: and they do not know what to do.

890
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter whether kid's aboriginal kid or not, you know,

891
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what color the kids could have been

892
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: a Chinese or you know, Croatian kid for example. But

893
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: the fact that the fellow thought it was one okay

894
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: and too necessary to restrain the child. I mean, he

895
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: looked about I don't know what, is he nine or something,

896
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: you know, and you're a big, grown adult. Surely you

897
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 4: could have just held him by the arm and use

898
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: some kind of verbal sort of discussion like listening to

899
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: your kids. Sit down here, don't move until the police

900
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: get here. So it's just really odd, you know. And

901
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: I saw the photo somewhere I don't know where, but

902
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: it was uncomfortable to watch, Like I wouldn't social media.

903
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: There are people out there will be well he did that,

904
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: So next time I see a little punk doing X

905
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: y Z, then I'll just grab him when sitting or

906
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: her on the ground and do whatever, you know. And

907
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: it's just it's not no, it's not okay, you know,

908
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 4: Like I get the apprehending the person. I get that

909
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: whether it be a child or an adult that's trying

910
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: to break into your property or do hard to you

911
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 4: and your loved ones. I get all that, but it's

912
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: just it's symptom of a bigger problem. That's the issue.

913
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: It's a symptom of a bigger problem apart from the

914
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 4: abhorrent nature of what he was doing or did and

915
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: what the other person was allegedly would just go to

916
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 4: do like just not on, you know, But it's just

917
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: it's symptomatic of the biggest problem or the bigger problem

918
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: we have in the churchy and that is just law

919
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: and order. There's no laws that are looking after us,

920
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 4: and there's no order.

921
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, where is that? Like the thing that always strikes me,

922
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: where is.

923
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: His moral compass?

924
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 5: That mere?

925
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: That's what I'd be asking, where's his moral I get

926
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 4: you've got an issue with this kid breaking into your house,

927
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: but where is your and your neighbor's moral compass gone?

928
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 6: And I've seen the video to Katie, and it was

929
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 6: it was really really hard to watch, and you know,

930
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: you're looking at a young child who allegedly has done

931
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 6: the wrong thing.

932
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 5: But we do have an incredible police force who work

933
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: really hard, and.

934
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 6: I understand that the incident is being investigated, but it's

935
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 6: making sure that you know what, if I always go

936
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 6: west case scenario, if something had gone wrong in that circumstance.

937
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: It really is tough.

938
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 6: And I know that when people are frustrated and we

939
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 6: hear their frustrations, we feel it too. It's really hard

940
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 6: to kind of maintain your composure, and I guess sometimes

941
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 6: act appropriately when you're that frustrated. It was when people

942
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 6: have seen it, I just you know, I would hate

943
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 6: to see that other people think, yeah, that's a great idea,

944
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 6: let's do it too. But when the police do their

945
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 6: investigation and it turns out what it does, I hope

946
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 6: people take that message on board as well. It's not

947
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 6: okay for people to get away with bad behavior and

948
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 6: criminal activity. But I also wouldn't encourage territorians to take

949
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 6: matters into their own hands because you may end up

950
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 6: getting into a world of traumble.

951
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly in a bit of a pressure cooker

952
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: situation right now in the territory. I mean, people they

953
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: literally have fed up, you know, they're so frustrated. We've

954
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: got escalating crime, we're escalating violence, and it's all at

955
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: the hands of the labor government that just refuse to

956
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: take any action. I mean, we've seen laws be watered

957
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: down over the last number of years. We have absolute

958
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: lawlessness on our streets. And the real fear is that

959
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: that's right, someone is going to get incredibly hurt and

960
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: that's not what we want to have here in the territory.

961
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: I do just want to step to the other side

962
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: for one moment, and and you know, I go back

963
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: to this incident quite often because I'm pretty mortified by it.

964
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: But what about the situation that we've seen on the

965
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: streets of Darwin a few weeks ago where Leah Bennett,

966
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: who left Stompshoes where she was working, left and got

967
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: set upon by three teenage girls. You know, that was

968
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: a situation where the teenagers were belting into an innocent

969
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: person who was walking to her car. You know the

970
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: outrage then that we see for the mayor doing the

971
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: wrong thing, which he has done, it is the wrong thing.

972
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: But where is the outrage as well for an innocent

973
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: person like that who's been set upon by three young people,

974
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: one of them allegedly eleven years old. I just, you know,

975
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I just think it was outright, Yeah, from me on air,

976
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: But you know, you sort of go like, why are

977
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: we You know, I'm not expecting that. You know that

978
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: the National Children's Commission is going to come out and

979
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: make commentary on.

980
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: That, But you know why not? People get frustrated.

981
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: Should she be making comment on that they're underage, they're

982
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 4: under sixteen, they're not at school, and they're being violent.

983
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: Why shouldn't the Children's commissioner come out and say that

984
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 4: behavior is not acceptable?

985
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: That's about That's what people are wondering, right, you.

986
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: Comment when the little black kid gets sat on, But

987
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: when the Aboriginal women girls attack a white woman, where's

988
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 4: the commentary? You know, it's across the board. It's not acceptable.

989
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: I mean, what is your take on?

990
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 6: I hear a lot of outrage in regards to a

991
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 6: number of dangerous and criminal circumstances, and as local members,

992
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 6: we try to make sure that you know, incidences are

993
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 6: followed up.

994
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: We have regular catchups with authorities.

995
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 6: We try to make sure I personally, as a memph Crama,

996
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 6: I look through all of the local resources. I try

997
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 6: to connect people, knock on the doors, check in on people.

998
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 6: If people out there are in a situation where they

999
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 6: feel like they have to resort to that behavior because

1000
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 6: they have no support, perhaps in the home. Then there

1001
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 6: have got to be safe places, and that's what we've

1002
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 6: created in our electorate and young kids roaming around the

1003
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 6: streets getting up to no good bashing bashing here absolutely okay,

1004
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 6: But I did hear uproight that my colleagues did as well.

1005
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 5: Katie Good.

1006
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you did, because it's not the territory

1007
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: that we know and love, and it has to change.

1008
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: The behavior is not good enough. People should be safe

1009
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: to walk on the streets, no matter when it is.

1010
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: But we are going to have to wrap up for

1011
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: this morning. Marie Claire Boothby, thank you as always for

1012
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: your time.

1013
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: Thank you, and have a wonderful weekend.

1014
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: Katie, you too, Keezy if Eric, thank you for your time. Katie.

1015
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 4: I want to put a plug in. I'm looking on

1016
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: your wall here and you know your name of a

1017
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: business they must sponsor.

1018
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: The Richmond Rolling Solutions.

1019
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was there yesterday. I don't even know

1020
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: the shot, but I was there to get a circuit

1021
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: board for my electric gait which has been bung for

1022
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 4: two years. As a friend of mine, Bloody broken in

1023
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: his enthusiasts and to fix it broke. No, and I

1024
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: didn't even know they had.

1025
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: Atrange.

1026
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: Woman that came in yesterday wanting a bit for electric Day.

1027
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: So anyone want lifted gates fixed, go to this mob,

1028
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: go to theirs.

1029
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: Thank you and nari I Kip, thank you so much

1030
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: for your time this morning.

1031
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, it's been great