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Speaker 1: Special treat for everyone because Missy Higgins is in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Miss you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Geez, what a bill?

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Speaker 1: What are your production You've got a lot going on, man,

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Speaker 1: I really do Jesus.

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Speaker 3: A big year. I'm tired.

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Speaker 5: How does it feel to hear the stats read out

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Speaker 5: like that, Missy? Like twenty six ARIA nominations, nine wins

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Speaker 5: at the Arias, You're going to be inducted into the

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. How does that sit with you when

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Speaker 5: you hear that back?

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Speaker 3: It feels like maybe I should be dying or something.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's the kind of things people read out

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Speaker 6: about you when you're on your deathbed. Look at all

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Speaker 6: she's achieved now she's about to leave us.

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Speaker 4: It's a shame that people reserve that sort of stuff. Yeah, dying, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: not dying, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right, Hopefully I won't die for a while. I feel

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Speaker 6: like I've got a few more albums in me. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I there's just a lot has happened this year that's

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Speaker 6: been really incredible, Like, I honestly can't quite believe it,

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Speaker 6: especially the Hall of Fame stuff, that's just, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: it's such an incredible honor.

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Speaker 4: I'm still that's wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, I was having a look at some of

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Speaker 1: the other inductees, but obviously some of the other women,

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Speaker 1: because we had Tena Arena on this show a little

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Speaker 1: while ago, and we were saying to her she was

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Speaker 1: the first woman to win an Album of the Year,

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Speaker 1: like in like nineteen ninety nine or something ridiculous, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And then so I'm just looking back at some of

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Speaker 1: the other women who have been inducted, and obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: naturally there's not a man and not a woman who's

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Speaker 1: involved until much later on.

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Speaker 4: There's so many dudes. But the women that.

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Speaker 1: You're joining, Olivia Newton, John Kylie, Tina Arena, obviously you

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Speaker 1: Casey Chambers was the most recent one as well, Marsha

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Speaker 1: Heines like pretty amazing names.

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Speaker 4: I know, to be in the same sentences, I.

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Speaker 6: Know, Yeah, it's an incredible honor. I remember when Tina

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Speaker 6: Arena got into I was at that Arias and the

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Speaker 6: Veronicas and Jessica Malboy did a song with her, did

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Speaker 6: one of dons, and it was so epic. Everyone was

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Speaker 6: on their feet and pumping their fists in the air

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Speaker 6: and singing along and I just remember being yeah, I

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Speaker 6: was full of shivers, and just I was watching those guys,

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Speaker 6: you know, just the younger generation and the older generation

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Speaker 6: all kind of inspiring each other and working together and

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Speaker 6: very inspired watching that.

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Speaker 5: Citional to hear you talking about being inspired by seeing

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Speaker 5: people that were you know before you and seeing the

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Speaker 5: younger generation get around their music, because Missy, you're now

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Speaker 5: in that position where the younger generation is getting inspired

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Speaker 5: by your music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about Angie McMartin moore because I know

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Speaker 1: you popped up on stage with her a few times,

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Speaker 1: and that was my favorite record of the year, and

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Speaker 4: You made me feel very old. That was so red hot.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe I.

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Speaker 3: Get that's my favorite record too.

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Speaker 4: Don't get me started. Everyone the team's going, don't.

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Speaker 6: I've been going on about it as well. Actually, and

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Speaker 6: one of the songs on my new album.

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Speaker 3: Was inspired by that album.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's amazing. I Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's funny because I never realized how much my first album,

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Speaker 6: the kind of impact that it made until literally maybe

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Speaker 6: the last year or two, people have started coming out

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Speaker 4: And after you got inducted, they all jumped on.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like, you know.

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Speaker 6: It's been around for almost twenty years now, and people

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Speaker 6: are maybe just getting old enough to have realized, oh

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Speaker 6: maybe you know, looking back, maybe at why they started

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Speaker 6: and then talking about it. But it's it's my favorite

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Speaker 6: thing is to hear that I've inspired someone to start songwriting.

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Speaker 1: I was reading earlier that however, people have interpreted this

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Speaker 1: song for them. This song was the specialty was about

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Speaker 1: you and your sister at that time, and that's what

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Speaker 1: or some tension is Yeah, there was.

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Speaker 6: A bit of tension over a boy that we both liked,

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Speaker 6: and that had never really happened before. Like, she's eight

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Speaker 6: in so many ways. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 6: I was a woman like i'd become, you know, eighteen

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Speaker 7: Oh it was good.

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Speaker 6: It was really awkward, and we'd never we'd never fancied

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Speaker 6: the same person before, and I overstepped the line.

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Speaker 3: Let's just leave it at that.

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Speaker 6: She wasn't happy with me, and I was just I

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Speaker 6: just felt really horrible for kind of portraying her or

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Speaker 6: just breaking the sister code, and I wrote her this

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Speaker 6: song as kind of an apology letter.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I've also heard you say recently that when you were

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Speaker 5: writing music for the Sound of White, it was a

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Speaker 5: so it was okay. But then obviously the Sound of

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Speaker 5: White was this huge, huge success.

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Speaker 7: Is it a bit scary for you? You know, because

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Speaker 7: I write.

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Speaker 5: In a journal and there's some things that I write

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Speaker 5: it scary for you knowing how many people are going

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Speaker 5: going through in a certain time.

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Speaker 6: No, for some reason, it's not, and I'm not quite

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Speaker 6: sure why. I mean, there's this stuff in my diary

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Speaker 6: that I'd be absolutely humiliated if anyone read. But I

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Speaker 6: guess when I put it into song I do it

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Speaker 6: in a kind of poetic way, and I like, I

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Speaker 6: think about it for many, many weeks, and I work

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Speaker 6: convey something deeper than what I'm going through. Specifically, they're

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Speaker 6: trying to convey kind of the universal truth at the

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Speaker 6: It's just kind of thought out to be a little

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Speaker 3: Just oh my god, Tony's such an asshole.

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Speaker 5: I'd listen to Tony's such an asshole news song on

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Speaker 5: the new album I believe, Missy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the next album.

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Speaker 1: Well, as we were just saying about this song, the

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Speaker 1: special too, I'm sure it has meant so many different

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Speaker 1: things to so many different people. The Sound of Why

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Speaker 1: Its celebrated its twentieth anniversary this year, Missie, the piano

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Speaker 1: is in front of you. If you would do us

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Speaker 1: the honors, we would be a very grateful audience.

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Speaker 4: Whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it seems like a good opportunity. I have

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Speaker 6: a piano in front of it. Coincidence?

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Speaker 4: What's this doing here?

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Speaker 7: We said, a trap? We want to do it before.

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Speaker 8: I've hardly been outside my room in days because I

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Speaker 8: don't feel that I deserve. The sun shines rays, the

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Speaker 8: darkness held until the whiskey wore away, and who is

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Speaker 8: Then I realized that the conscience never fades. When you're young,

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Speaker 2: Of your life.

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Speaker 8: The UBI screwuss in one day, even make a wife,

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Speaker 8: and you may boundary easy you'd never dream to cross.

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Speaker 8: Then if you happen to awake complete little loss that

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Speaker 8: I will fight. Be sure that I will fight until

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Speaker 8: the special tu once sick, and we will only in

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Speaker 8: be insured to hold another's and.

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Speaker 2: With a specialty. I remember someone old one.

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Speaker 8: Said to me, the lies will lock you up, with

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Speaker 8: I was warm inside my shell, and I couldn't see

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Speaker 2: Could suit become my heir? So is it better to

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Speaker 8: Hurt or lie to save their face? I guess the

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Speaker 8: answer is don't do it in the first place. I

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Speaker 8: know I'm not deserve and I.

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Speaker 2: Your trust from you. I know, Oh, very bad chance

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Speaker 8: You know I will not let you down because we

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Speaker 8: were the specialty and will be again.

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Speaker 2: And we will only need it. Shudder.

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Speaker 8: We'll breathe together. Our hands will not be said a

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Speaker 2: Shudder.

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Speaker 8: We'll bleed together, these arms will not be soured a hold.

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Speaker 2: Another's because what a special two step outside my mind's

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Speaker 2: Nothing cures the hurts you.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Bryon by yourself, just remembering, just remembering.

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Speaker 2: If we know we were.

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Speaker 8: And we were all indeedios shudder, wellbury together hands we'll

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Speaker 8: We bleed together these farms or not bitsid a hold

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Speaker 2: We're a special suit. Oh wow, wow, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Not a single person who hasn't got somebody in mind

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Speaker 1: when they listen to that song Missy Higgins in the

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Speaker 1: Missy perform that and a bunch of the songs from

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Speaker 1: the Sound of White. It was the twentieth anniversary take.

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Speaker 1: She's doing a show at Sidney my music bill and

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Speaker 1: just announced today actually would that she's gonna be doing

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of guests Dann Sultan, cap Milla hydeke

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Speaker 1: Go and see who do That and her brand new record,

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Speaker 1: which Missy I'm so excited to talk about right now.

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Speaker 1: The second act. Thank you for that before we get

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Speaker 4: That was so good.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't know if I can do the

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Speaker 1: next next round of songs.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna tak That was tough. You just got We're down.

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Speaker 1: So you've just got two fully grown men just looking

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Speaker 5: We both had moments listening to the second AAC today

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Speaker 5: then I was relistening in the office before and like

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Speaker 7: It's a radio studio as well.

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Speaker 5: So the vibes are high and I just had eyes down,

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Speaker 5: Like the emotion in the new album is.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it is so raw and it is so honest.

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Speaker 5: How does it feel to be having that out there now?

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Speaker 3: And it's the heartbreak of you know, the story.

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Speaker 2: This album, but I'm really proud of it.

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Speaker 6: Like it's I wrote all these songs late at night

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Complicated Truth is a song for my daughter, my

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's hear it if we can.

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Speaker 1: All is a Complicated Truth from the brand new Missy

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Speaker 11: The trees are sway the wind, and you're not with

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Speaker 8: Hope you're run and round in circles. Hope you're laughing

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Speaker 2: The days along when you'll not.

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Speaker 8: Here, have been stain at the sky, when jin what

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Speaker 2: It's trying to figure out why.

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Speaker 8: The endings in your books don't match shells.

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Speaker 2: And it breaks my heart. Try to find some.

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Speaker 8: Words you'll understand, because Baby, nothing about.

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Speaker 2: This was in the plan. All that I can tell

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Speaker 2: you is a complicated truth. Wise love, your dady is together.

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Speaker 2: We made.

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Speaker 8: From the moment I first met him, A knew everything

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Speaker 2: Ye Daddy woke my heart up in the kitch.

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Speaker 10: In that day.

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Speaker 8: You are a medalong on the road of ast be

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Speaker 2: That I had never felt so seen and so adorned.

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Speaker 9: Wounds till one day we rolled Maignant too. And I

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Speaker 8: And Lord did I contel is a calmplicated truth.

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Speaker 2: All is love your dad. But now I love is

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Speaker 10: Now I'm walking batted your empty bedroom, turning off the light,

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Speaker 10: and I'm hoping that's talk to you in time, because

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Speaker 2: When you ask me what low runs away?

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Speaker 8: And all that I can give you for these calms

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Speaker 2: It is the hardest thing to choose. But always love

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Speaker 7: So good, so good? So how do you listening to WI?

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Speaker 7: By the way, how do you.

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Speaker 7: How do you go there? Every like every time you

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Speaker 5: I've heard that song a couple of times today and

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Speaker 4: How sad?

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Speaker 3: Every time I play it live at AH, I have

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Speaker 8: To the.

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Speaker 4: There's no escape, there's no escaping and either like you

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Speaker 1: I both got little girls, so girls are just around

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Speaker 4: Like, everyone can relate to that. If you're alive, you

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Speaker 7: It's the empty house, empty house.

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Speaker 4: Sadness and kids.

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Speaker 1: There's something about sadness and parents that's right, gets right

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you feel such a responsibility to protect them

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Speaker 3: And oh yeah, it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: Well done, mate, Yeah, well done.

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Speaker 1: I can think of many people that have tried to

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Speaker 4: That's bloody awesome. That's a new gear from Missy Higgins.

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Speaker 4: It's called a Complicated Truth.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be on her second record called a

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Speaker 1: Second Act, the Second Act, I should say, which is

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Speaker 3: Not my second record.

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Speaker 1: Than that, Sorry but sorry. There's a few songs that

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Speaker 1: of course the twentieth anniversary of her first record, and

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Speaker 1: now I got that right because the Sound of White

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Speaker 1: was that twenty years ago. You know, and watch Missy.

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Speaker 1: Ash's going to be at the City my Music. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll be there Friday the sixth.

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Speaker 4: I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Missy with Dan Sultan, Kate Miller Hike is going to

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Speaker 4: The day on the Greennie were want to see her

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Speaker 4: live and what sounds like it's going to.

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Speaker 1: Be an incredible to her mate, thank you for coming in,

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Speaker 1: thank you for playing for us, thank you for making

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Speaker 4: I think I'm saying that, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me guys.

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Speaker 7: Thank God bye Missy bye, thank you