1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Katy Wolf and three point sixty online at Mixed 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: one O four nine dot com dot. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: You you are listening to Mix one O four point 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: nine's three sixty and I'll tell you what we're about 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 2: to start, the Big Issues and a big thanks to 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Well Kolano Community Association and Aborigin Alone to operate it 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: and community lead organization from the top end to Tenant 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Creek and Well joining us in the studio this morning. 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: We have got Dave Tolner, Good morning to you. 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning, Katie. I don't know who the hell 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 4: it is sitting with us. 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: Well, Davian Haile is a way so Kenny man, it's 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: stepped in. 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 5: Hello people. 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: It's not even a shadow on highly. 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 6: Enough. 17 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 2: We can call it the Big Issues because Kenny's lost day, 18 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: bucket load of. 19 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 7: Weight, unbelievable, been running Saturday because I've gone You're arrogant, bastard, 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 7: I said, ain't. 21 00:00:52,159 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: You all your life? Another person to the list, So 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 4: I didn't like you. There's just less of your like. 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 5: Incognito at the moment. 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 7: Why have your lost Kenny, I'd be in the forty 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 7: odd kilos. It's been a five six years. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 5: Je probably longer. 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, for the first time in my life. I don't 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 7: get bored after fifteen minutes of running or things like that. 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 7: But I just my dad died at fifty two, or 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 7: my mum's brothers in the fifties. I said, by fifty 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 7: I need to be fit just to give myself a chance. 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 8: I take all the boxes for those people listening. I mean, 33 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 8: but you know, if you haven't seen Kenneth for a little. 34 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: While, he's lost a bucket light away. 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 8: He really is almost he's fit, and you know he's 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 8: looking ripped, ripped. 37 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 5: Anyway. 38 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: My number is he's not a shadow on hard you'd 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 4: have to run around the bath to get wet. 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 5: You probably look at me and going. 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: Rarely struggling to fit in the bard. 42 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: He'll be back and. 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 4: He's probably listening, wouldn't get. 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: Well, Hey, let's get into it, and I tell you 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: there is some very serious stuff to cover this morning. 46 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: I'm going to go firstly to the situation at the 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: Fink Desert Race. 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: We know that well. 49 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: The NT News is reporting that this man was an 50 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: amateur photographer who extended his holiday to be track site 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: at the Fink Desert Race, was tragically killed when a 52 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: vehicle veered off the road and into spectators. 53 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: The man was in his sixties. 54 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: He died instantly on impact when he was struck by 55 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: the vehicle about nine thirty five yesterday. The man from 56 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: the act was on holidays photographing the vehicles as they 57 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: traveled over the crest of a hill about thirty five 58 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: kilometers from the finish line. We know another male spectator 59 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: in his fifties sustained serious injuries and was taken to 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Alice Springs Hospital. He'll be flown to the Royal Adelaide 61 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: Hospital today. And a woman in her fifties, the navigator 62 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: of that vehicle, sustained minor injuries as. 63 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: A result of the craft. 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: I did catch up with the paramedics earlier this morning, 65 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: and look, my understanding is that this is the first 66 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: time that we've had such a serious, well serious situation 67 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: unfold at the Pink Desert Race with involving spectators. 68 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: I could be wrong. 69 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: We know that it is a dangerous sport, but yeah, 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: it is a real tragedy, There's no doubt about that. 71 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 7: Look, Katie, I was actually down to think. I just 73 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 7: drove back last night, so I didn't you know. I 74 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 7: was commenting to my friend in the car about what 75 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 7: a great day I had on the Sunday, like the 76 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 7: star and the families everywhere. All I know, we went 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 7: drove past that that thirty five k's because everybody camps 78 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 7: all the way down ninety. They haven't got their special 79 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 7: spots for their families. And it was interesting because my 80 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 7: friend said, this is a bit like mad Max here, 81 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 7: because you've lived got this little track and there's people, 82 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 7: you know, like in Europe when they do the rallies, 83 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 7: there's people two meters from the track camping, and I 84 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 7: just my own self preservation. I literally up beyond a 85 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 7: tree to go well over in motorbix most of my life. 86 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 7: I know, you know it's aroound to kill grand bike. 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 7: A one hundred kilos is going to cause some damage. 88 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 7: But I absolutely do not want to see this canceled. 89 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 7: I know, I think it's a you know, it's a sad, 90 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 7: sad thing. Of course, it's a fantastic event, and you 91 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 7: know there's going to be reviewed, which is always a 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 7: good thing about safety, simple as that. But you know, 93 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 7: I would not like to see it canceled. My heart, 94 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 7: and so I'll go out to the you know, the 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 7: families of the deceased and the people struggling now in 96 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 7: the hospitals. And although all the events and organizing volunteers 97 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 7: that go down and spend all their time to make 98 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 7: this event such a big. 99 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 5: Thing, and I'll tell you it is a massive thing 100 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 5: down there. 101 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 7: It's just it was just so good to see kids 102 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 7: and you know, not on iPads everywhere, everybody enjoying themselves. 103 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 5: But tragedy is a tragedy, yea sad. 104 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 8: I think it's absolutely terrible, and you know, the thing 105 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 8: is one of those iconic events in the Northern Territory, 106 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 8: so I'd find it unlikely that it'd be canceled. And 107 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 8: a course, motorsport the world over is incredibly dangerous. You know, 108 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 8: if you go back a few decades, it was more 109 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 8: the norm that somebody would be hurt or killed in 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 8: matter sport than than not. And you know that the 111 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 8: sport I think has taken huge leaps in safety and 112 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 8: looking after competitors, you know, in the decades gone by. 113 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, accidents will happen, and of course 114 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 8: there's got to be an inquiry and a bit of 115 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 8: a review understand what went wrong, how we can make 116 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 8: the event safer. But it'd be a damn shame to 117 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 8: see it canceled because of this, and I'm certain that 118 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 8: all of those people in Vold wouldn't want to see 119 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 8: the race canceled as a result. 120 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, and I think that obviously 121 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: the police are conducting their investigation into exactly what unfolded. 122 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: I know that they have asked for witnesses to go 123 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: forward and say what they've seen. But definitely you would 124 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: expect a pretty robust investigation that happened. 125 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 8: It's one of those events. It's a huge participation event people. 126 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 8: You know, it's not just professionals, you know, professional riders 127 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 8: and drivers that are involved in that. You get a 128 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 8: range of amateurs that go down there and have a go. 129 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 8: I mean, you know, coming out of the Parliament we've 130 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 8: seen plenty of parliamentarians who've participated in. 131 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: Actually mentioned about how Peter Toyn got away with it. 132 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 8: Mister h there was few of them that John Elfrek 133 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 8: ever missed. Jared Mayley, of course in there now, has 134 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 8: been a regular participant in. 135 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 5: I think he's Peter Toyn. 136 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 7: It was the directions minister, and he got the prisoners 137 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 7: to build the truck and maintain the truck and sometimes 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 7: you can't find as a minister and somebody wants to 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 7: write about it just to stick you up a bit 140 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 7: and going down and do it fantastic because it meant 141 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 7: so much of those mechanics. 142 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 8: I always had a laugh at Ross Bowl and and 143 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 8: you would remember Ross, you know, in the Parliament. No, 144 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 8: he wasn't a bad fellow. He's a top feller actually, 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 8: but mad on motorsport, absolutely mad. 146 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: He's I think that's what he's doing now. 147 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 8: He's working on vehicles and that, and you know he's 148 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 8: as close to a professionalist a territory has probably produced. 149 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 8: And oddly enough he never finished think which he really 150 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 8: irritated the hell out of him, given that John Lfriink. 151 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 4: Jared Mayley and others that all competed and finished. I 152 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: was not aware of that. 153 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 7: I was a. 154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 5: Thousand other males, females and kids out there. 155 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, would love. 156 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 7: To twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. 157 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: You've got a quick you've got. 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 8: A quick bike or a quick buggy, you know, I 159 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 8: think is a wonderful place to go and race it. 160 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 7: For that day because you're talking about the amateurs coming, 161 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 7: you know, people, if you're not aware that you know, 162 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 7: the top ten from last year go first, and the 163 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 7: cars and the bikes and all that. So you see 164 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 7: this marked difference, you know, the motorbikes just around the corner, 165 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty clicks flipping out 166 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 7: and then in the end you just see And I 167 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 7: was like, you can hear the difference in the motors 168 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 7: because you know, I love my motocross, And I said, 169 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 7: but just look at the bellies. That's right, that's the different. 170 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 7: And the last half there's more wrobble. He's going on 171 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 7: everywhere and slowing down. I thought this is great because 172 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 7: there's all his families around, were right, yes, Dad. 173 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: And yeah it's right, all their friends and supporters, and 174 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 5: there's so many locals and it is. 175 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: An amazing thing for Central Australia. You know, you see 176 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: the whole town. Just get into it. Everybody's so excited 177 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: when it gets to her to think race time. But yeah, 178 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: as we know, there will indeed be a full investigation. 179 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: I want to take you across to this story which 180 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: is capturing headlines all around the nation, and it's our 181 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: Australian swimming squad. A photograph has emerged of a male 182 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: swimmer who was made to wear girls toggs as a 183 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: punishment for swimming slow at an elite Australian squad training session. 184 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: The squad is coached by an Olympic coach and dealite 185 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: swimmers were in the pool at the time. It is 186 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: part of a full investigation really that is underway. We 187 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 2: know that Swimming Australia's bored met yesterday to discuss allegations 188 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: of a toxic culture in the sport, and since Olympic 189 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: swimmer will the silver medallist Maddie Groves announced that she 190 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: would not complete not compete, I should say at the 191 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 2: Australian Olympic trials, citing misogynistic perverts in the sport. A 192 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: number of allegations around an allegedly bullying coaching culture have 193 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: also been made. I mean, it's pretty bad, Like you 194 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: would not I've got to say, I've grown up in 195 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: the swimming pool. My dad was a swimming coach and 196 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: I would not have expected like some of the stuff 197 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: that they're coming out sort of saying, you know, particularly 198 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: with her saying that there's a misogynistic. 199 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: Culture, it is a pretty bad situation. 200 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 8: I mean, a misogynistic culture is one of those easy 201 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 8: ga two things. 202 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: I mean, there's a misologic, fantastic culture everywhere. 203 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 5: In the league. 204 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: Believe if you like, making one of the on a 205 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: pair of girls swimming togs and. 206 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: To train like a girl. 207 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 5: Gone and punched him in the face. Stay sorry, hate so. 208 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: Straight up he'd laugh at you. Turn it up maybe 209 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: a few years ago. 210 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 7: Seriously, I do anything for as we do for our 211 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 7: children and our family that we love it and care for. 212 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 5: But that is just as obviously. 213 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 7: Dave has been an athlete as well as I have, 214 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 7: and just a parent. It's just out bloody rageous, like 215 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 7: that's just you should be sacked and just banned forever, 216 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 7: like you do. 217 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: Just think to yourself, I love to me. 218 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: I'm sort of surprised that it's obviously been happening for 219 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: quite some time and no one's kind of had the 220 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: guts to say anything. 221 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: Well, no one's come out and say anything. 222 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 8: You're rolling a grade too, isn't like this sort of 223 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 8: like grade too? This is what sort of kids in 224 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 8: grade to do? You know, I mean, you know you 225 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 8: don't expect this sort of behavior from adults. Well, and 226 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 8: it's like that bloody teacher in Victoria the school in 227 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 8: Victoria that demanded all the boys stand up and apologized 228 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 8: for their gender. 229 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: You know, I think this is very different. 230 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: I think you're actually talking about him and feeling unlike, 231 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, feeling very uncomfortable with me. 232 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 8: You just sit there and you sit there and you go, 233 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 8: what motivates these type of behavior, Well, that's a I'm. 234 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 5: Going to put you in a girls because you swim 235 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 5: like a girl. 236 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: Feel proud. 237 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 7: I'm happy for my nieces, my little niece that swim 238 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 7: better than me, as long as he's out down on 239 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 7: there can jump it and through. 240 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, we are talking 241 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: about sort of a culture within a sport. 242 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: It's like swimming. You sort of, like I said, right from. 243 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: The get go, I wouldn't expect that there's kind of 244 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: that sort of culture within within swimming. You would anticipate that, 245 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: given the that it's both genders, that it would be 246 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: pretty fair. 247 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 8: I do have to say, you know, having mane a 248 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 8: couple of elite sports people in your life, and particularly swimmers. 249 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 8: I went to school with Duncan Armstrong and a couple 250 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 8: of other gold medalists, and you know those people as kids, 251 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 8: it is the most serious going they're up, but you know, 252 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 8: Sparrow's fat every morning and in the swimming pool before 253 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 8: they get to school, aren't you how they're generally in 254 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 8: the swimming pool after school, they're in the swimming pool. 255 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 8: And it's not a hobby, it's not It is something 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 8: that it's a hard, hard slog and the people that 257 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 8: are involved, the coaches and all of that, they're serious, 258 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 8: serious people. And you know, this is obviously a case 259 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 8: where people have just taken it too far. But for 260 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 8: the average person to undertake that sort of lifestyle is 261 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 8: just you know, it's unthinkable anywhere. You know, who wants 262 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 8: to do it? Who is that hungry for a gold 263 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 8: medal that they're going to do that when you know, 264 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 8: at twelve thirteen years old, when these kids start off, 265 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 8: you know, it's just I'm just I'm. 266 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 7: Just offended for everybody that, you know, the whole swimming fraternity, 267 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 7: because you know. 268 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 8: A wonderful thing about these labour types, they're always afeended for. 269 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 7: Just jump in and so you can't finish your sentence 270 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 7: a bit what you're trying to say, Come on, Dave, what. 271 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 5: I'm trying to say. 272 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: So you're probably afforded by that offended. Yeah, that's right. 273 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: You know I went. 274 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 5: I worked for a while in the Department of Sport 275 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 5: and Record. 276 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 7: I was going around to clubs talking about their roles 277 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 7: and responsibilities as board members and all these things, and 278 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 7: also as a coach and talking to the coaches saying, 279 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 7: we've got these things non inclusive bullying. You know the 280 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 7: old days are you Yeah, I'll pick you two captains, 281 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 7: pick yes now because you always pick the person who's last, 282 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 7: who's never good, and so you always they always feel 283 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 7: crap and it's not good. 284 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: So it's not inclusive bullying now. 285 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 7: So no, And that's why teachers are change and gone 286 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 7: one two one two one two one two. Don't have 287 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 7: that The worst athlete or the worst person picks last 288 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 7: and they just feel terrible. 289 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: Look, people are going to feel terrible, matey don't. 290 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 7: But this is about trying to I've just had a 291 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 7: coach this point of view. I think it's absolutely disgusting. 292 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 7: But an elite coaching, which I have been an elite coach, 293 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 7: it would have come from some weird, strange place where 294 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 7: I think Dave's trying to get to from this coach 295 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 7: to say, what's going to give you inspiration? And incentive 296 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 7: to try work harder, well, embarrassing him. 297 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: I think that's probably a life problem. 298 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 7: And if she's charging that coach, I reckon with all 299 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 7: the psychology bills over the rest of his life. 300 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, according to Grumpy, one of our listeners, he said, 301 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: the kid's mum has said that the pictures three years 302 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: old and he chose to wear the swimsuit. 303 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: I'll take that on board, Grumpy. 304 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: But look, the thing is, you know, the thing is 305 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: here is that we have You've actually got one of 306 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: our elite swimmers who's saying that she refuses to swim 307 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: because of you know, of this culture, which I think, 308 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: whether we like it or not, we've got to take 309 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: it on board of a situation. You know, at the 310 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: end of the day, you want the best possible team, 311 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: and if you've got some of your best possible swimmers 312 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: not feeling comfortable about being part of that team. 313 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: Then you've got to ask questions. 314 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: What homes have changed and some people haven't. 315 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 6: Hey, I will say that, I will though tell you, 316 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 6: I will tell you that our swimmers. 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: Are doing a tremendous job. 318 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: Though at the moment, Yeah, Ariana Tiitmas has announced herself 319 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: as one of the hottest swimmers in the world, with 320 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: the second fastest swimmer in history in the women's two. 321 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: Hundred meter freestyle. 322 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: Her time of one minute fifty three seconds at the 323 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: Australian Olympic Swimming Trials in Adelaide is only behind one 324 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: of the Italian swimmers, Frederica Pellegrini. And that was said 325 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine during the super suit era. 326 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Tell you what, it is. 327 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: Wonderful to see our swimmers doing well again and. 328 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 8: Almost as good as they've ever done in the past. 329 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 8: This is like, this is like the hottest swim team 330 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 8: that we've had in history, very close to it. Well, 331 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 8: we've had some pretty good ones, don't get that's right. 332 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 8: But you know that's funny. You know, all of a sudden, 333 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 8: you know we're doing the best we've ever done, and 334 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 8: then some swimmer comes out and says, oh, they're all 335 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 8: a pack of misogynists. 336 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: Well do you reckon? 337 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 8: Let's mark ourselves down. Let's let's be embarrassed for us 338 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 8: swimen this day. 339 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: We should allow young women in the swimming team to 340 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: feel really uncomfortable and like it's a misogynistic culture and 341 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: just let it go. 342 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that it was some girl that 343 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: was dressed up as a girl. 344 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: No, it was a woman though, who's come out and 345 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: said a young female who she doesn't want to be 346 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: part of that swimming team. 347 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 8: Anyweah, that's right, and all of a sudden, you know, 348 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 8: it's just happens to be the best swimming team we've 349 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 8: ever produced, or one of the Olympics coming up. And 350 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 8: where did this stories emanate from? 351 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: Actually there was a former swimmer who's done fourteen years 352 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: of research. So it's actually not as if it's just 353 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: something that's come to light now. It's something that's done 354 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: fourteen years of research. She is a former. 355 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 8: Commonwealth Larissa Barent She's the one that did the races 356 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 8: and inquiry into Collingwood. She's done a lot of research. 357 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: Swimmers who are coming out saying that they don't feel comfortable, 358 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: And to me, I think you've got to make sure 359 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: that you. 360 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 8: Know if there is any champion doesn't feel comfortable, that's 361 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 8: what marks. 362 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 9: A change. 363 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: Quickly. 364 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 7: As a former coach, you want your best team on 365 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 7: the ground. 366 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: You also want about your. 367 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 7: Athlete management and if that's not making her perform at 368 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 7: her best and just come out like that, well, I'm 369 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 7: sure there's a lot of there's a lot of place 370 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 7: processes in place to make sure that she is swimming 371 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 7: at her optimum and maximum that's mental and physically. So 372 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 7: you I think what you'll see with this young lady 373 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 7: is that she will become a voice for the swimming fraternity. 374 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 7: Obviously they're coming to her because, as I said, Olympics 375 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 7: coming up, a lot of focus on now, and we 376 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 7: just want to ask womens to swim well and beat 377 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 7: everybody else because they have led the way for a 378 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 7: long long time. 379 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for the announcement where she's taken out. 380 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 8: Emirate's a citizenship, you know, because she's concerned about the 381 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 8: misogyny in Austroam. 382 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, may all right, we're going to take down. 383 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to turn down this microphone down. You are 384 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: listening to Mix Mix one oh four point nine. It 385 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 3: is the big issues. 386 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: If you want to know what's happening on the local 387 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: political landscape, Katie Wolf has it covered on three sixty. 388 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Every one is listening Mix one oh four point nine. 389 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: It is just ten minutes away from eleven o'clock and 390 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: if you've just joined us, it is the big issues. 391 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: Thanks to Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal Loon to operate 392 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: it and community lead organization from the top end to 393 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: Tenant Creek and in the studio with us this morning, 394 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: we've got Dave Tolner and Kenny Vows and and well. 395 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: This story has been making headlines for quite some time now. 396 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: A family of Tamil asylum seekers haed on Christmas Island 397 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen, will be allowed to live in Perth temporarily, 398 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: but their long term future in Australia remains unclear. The 399 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: Immigration Minister, Alex Hawk, said that he had used his 400 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: powers under the Migration Act to allow the family to 401 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 2: live in Perth while their four year old, well, the 402 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: four year old little girl undergoes treatment in hospital. I 403 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: know that Dave may disagree with me, but I think 404 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: this is the right decision to be made and I 405 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: hope that they're allowed to stay in Australia. 406 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: With this decision. 407 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 8: I don't know whether they should be staying in Australia, 408 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 8: but you know, we've got the fact is, you know 409 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 8: what has been compassionate, what has turned out to be compassionate. 410 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 8: It is tough border policies you know, thousands and thousands 411 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 8: of people died at sea coming to Australia. That was 412 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 8: certainly not compassionate. And what we found is it's far 413 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 8: safer for people to go through the proper managed methods 414 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 8: of being a refugee. And you know, if that takes 415 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 8: a hard line approach, it takes a hard line approach, 416 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 8: but it has worked. Admittedly, there are people on the 417 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 8: fringes that you sit there and worry about. One is 418 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 8: this bill a Wheeler family? But do you undo border 419 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 8: security in order to keep one family happy or do 420 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 8: you maintain border security. I mean it's been very compassionate. 421 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 8: I think to allow them to go to Perth and 422 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 8: sit with their daughter while that she's in hospital. 423 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: Well I mean to me in fact, that she's. 424 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 8: Been taken Christmas Island to a large hospital well to 425 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 8: get treatment, I think is also very compassionate. And you 426 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 8: need to understand all of this is being footed by 427 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 8: the taxpayer. It's not like Australians have put these people 428 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 8: out in the cold. 429 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: Let's not forget though the two little girls were born 430 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: here in Australia as well. Mister Hawk has said that 431 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: the decision showed appropriate compassion in circumstances involving children in detention, 432 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: and it says today's decision releases the family from held 433 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: detention and facilitates ongoing treatment while they pursue ongoing litigation 434 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: before the Administration of Appeals Tribunal, the Federal Court and 435 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: High Court. And importantly, today's decision does not create a 436 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: pathway to visa, is what the Minister has said, Kenny, 437 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts? 438 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 5: Well, look, I think common sense has to prevail here 439 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 5: and it has. It's slowly getting there. 440 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 7: You know, you've got to the Prime Minister that's got 441 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 7: to way up, you know, vote a backlash with balancing 442 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 7: his stubbornness. You know, I think the right thing will 443 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 7: happen in the end, you know, the Prime Minister, you know, 444 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 7: they've done a fantastic job with the borders and I 445 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 7: think the changes they've done over the last their term. 446 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 7: But they'll end up settling in Australia, for sure. I 447 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 7: believe that, and it's the right thing to do in 448 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 7: the community's done it. But you know I heard something 449 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 7: last week that at the detentions they're the only family 450 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 7: there and it's costing tax base six point seven million 451 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 7: dollars a year. 452 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 10: When these guys in the community get so cruel at 453 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 10: the start to make when you've got six point seven 454 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 10: million for one family, so you've all seen the footage. 455 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 5: Are surrounded by people. 456 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 7: How does that little kid get sick so badly when 457 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 7: there's nearly seven million, seven million dollars of taxpayers money 458 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 7: being spent to look after this family. 459 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 5: And I don't know. 460 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 7: I don't have an issue looking after the family, that's 461 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 7: the policies of the governor of the day. But how 462 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 7: did that job get so sick that we're in this situation? 463 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how she's managed 464 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: to get. 465 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: Point seven million for one family. 466 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: And look for me. I think you know. 467 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: They were actually from all accounts, they were a constructive 468 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: and contributing part of the Billa Wheeler community. 469 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. 470 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 5: That's enough. 471 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 7: That's Australian saying there. We want them as Australians, we 472 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 7: accept them. Really, their children are Australians. 473 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 4: Come on, mate, really mean their children are Australians. 474 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 5: They were born in Australia. 475 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 8: Just because you're born in Australia doesn't make Australian if 476 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 8: your parents are foreigners. 477 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: Just because you're born, It doesn't make you Australia. 478 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: What happens, Yeah, but then what happens? 479 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: And if somebody commits a crime here in Australia and 480 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: they're from New Zealand or somewhere, we're more than happy 481 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: to ship them back. 482 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 5: Obviously asked to where. 483 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: They're born, Australia, we do well, and I don't have 484 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: an issue with that. 485 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, these little girls have been 486 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: born in Australia, So then what are we. 487 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: Coming over? Who cares they're born? 488 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 7: And then you get the chance, If you get the chances, 489 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 7: come to this amazing country. And anybody's traveled anywhere outside. 490 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 8: Of Australia, come come, come to this country, get knocked up, 491 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 8: have a kid born in Australia automatically be granted bloody 492 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 8: permanent residence. 493 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 7: It's not You've got to be contributing to the community. 494 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 7: You've got to be accepted by the community. It's good 495 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 7: process put in place. Look, I'm not some you know, 496 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 7: come here and take over this country. 497 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 5: We need skilled workers. 498 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 7: There's so many people were missing out on and I 499 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 7: think we should open up a little bit more or 500 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 7: to say, hey, you know, we've got I mean, I 501 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 7: know we've got COVID going on all that, but just 502 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 7: open up and say, let's target some countries where we 503 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 7: need these skilled workers. About we have been doing. But 504 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 7: the reality is these children are Australians. They're born here, 505 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 7: they're austrained. And the last thing we want to see 506 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 7: because the other side of this is that now with 507 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 7: all this media attention, there's no way they can go 508 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 7: back to Srilanka without. 509 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 5: Being victim victimized. 510 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 7: You see this, and this is where I think the 511 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 7: visa is going to come in with our saying we 512 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 7: can't for your own safety. 513 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 8: See this is the thing you know that these labor 514 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 8: types he's left. He say, all want a niggle around 515 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 8: the edges. 516 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 4: You know, wind it back. Well, it's like the mob 517 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: sitting out there. 518 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 8: Well we've got to have all these people come back 519 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 8: to Australia for health treatment. 520 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: You know. 521 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 9: Well it's just slowly undoing at the moment. But we 522 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 9: need to understand that they're Prime Minister really cut his 523 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 9: teeth in the ministry on immigration. When when Scott Morrison 524 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 9: was elected he became a minister. Well shortly after he 525 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 9: was elected, they won government with Tony Abbott and Tony 526 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 9: Abbott made him the Immigration Minister. He was the one 527 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 9: responsible for bringing back tough border security, stopping back. He 528 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 9: understands most Australians don't want to see open borders. They 529 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 9: don't want to see thousands of people dying at sea. 530 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 9: They've had a gupfull of that. 531 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 8: They understand now that border protection you have to be 532 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 8: quite firm on and there are people on the edges 533 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 8: where you sort of sit there and your heart goes 534 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 8: out to them. But at the end of the day, 535 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 8: we don't want thousands of people dying at sea. The 536 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 8: Minister made a lead to a permanent reasons. Well, she's 537 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 8: not dying there. She's been fined perfect great expense. 538 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 3: I'm very sorry, but we are going to have to 539 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: wrap up. 540 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: It's been great to have you both in the studio 541 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: with us. 542 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 4: Let me just say thank you. Great to see Kenny. 543 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 8: He's only half of me and I first knew it's 544 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 8: good to see him. 545 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 5: Thank you, great to see you morning. 546 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine 547 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: three sixty. That was the big issues