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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Gloria Allread. Our next guest has represented victims in some

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Speaker 2: of the biggest cases we've seen, from Bill Cosby to

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, R Kelly Harvey Weinstein, and now she's representing

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Speaker 2: twenty seven victims of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 2: alleged victims of Gallaine Maxwell. She joins us. Now, Gloria, Hello, Hi.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for inviting me. Well, it's great,

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda, that's us. Are there any questions?

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Speaker 2: A million questions, and I don't it's hard to know

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Speaker 2: where to start. But this case, the Epstein files, the

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Speaker 2: story around Epstein on the front page, off the front page.

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Speaker 2: On the front page, the president says, nothing to see here,

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Speaker 2: there are no criminals here. How do the victims feel

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Speaker 2: through all of this?

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's obviously very traumatizing to have to reliver

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Speaker 1: it all again. But because this has been going on

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Speaker 1: for years, and some of them were children when they

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Speaker 1: were victimized, when they were sex trafficked, when they were

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Speaker 1: sexually abused, because they were vulnerable, and that's why he

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Speaker 1: did it. And so what they really want now is transparency.

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Speaker 1: They want accountability. They want whatever form of justice they

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Speaker 1: can obtain, and they want the truth. They do know

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Speaker 1: their own truth, they know what happened to them. But

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Speaker 1: the big picture, whether others rich, powerful, famous men or women,

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Speaker 1: but mainly its men who assisted Jeffrey Epstein and miss Maxwell,

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Speaker 1: enabled them and victimized them and sexually exploited them, or

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Speaker 1: assistant in trafficking. We want the answers to all of that,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we need to see all of the files,

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Speaker 1: the investigative files, FBI, Homeland Security, the prosecutors, investigators, the

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Speaker 1: investigations involving mister Epstein, both in Florida where he got

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Speaker 1: a sweetheart deal where he only had to serve thirteen

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Speaker 1: months on two counts and register as a sex offender

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Speaker 1: and during the day get to go to his office

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Speaker 1: and work and at night he slept in jail. Who

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Speaker 1: gets a deal like that when the US attorney apparently

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Speaker 1: have been considering charging him was sixty six. Oh felonies

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Speaker 1: didn't happen. So there's a lot officious, suspicious transactions, suspicious

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Speaker 1: tract activity, and suspicious people around. I think everybody in

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Speaker 1: that birthday book that you were just mentioning everybody president,

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Speaker 1: former president, you know, Ambassador to the United States, other people.

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Speaker 1: Every one of them should voluntarily agree to testify for

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Speaker 1: a congressional committee. Let's get to the truth. I think

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Speaker 1: we owe it to the victims.

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Speaker 2: What's to stop the victims themselves in naming these men,

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Speaker 2: naming the so called clients of Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. Nothing can stop them because they have

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Speaker 1: their free speech. On the other hand, exercising free speech

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Speaker 1: can have consequences. In other words, accusing a rich, powerful,

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Speaker 1: famous man of raping them when they were children child

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Speaker 1: sexual abuse would be accusing them of a crime. And

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Speaker 1: that rich, powerful, famous man, who can certainly afford a

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Speaker 1: lot of lawyers, experienced high price ones, could soothe them.

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Speaker 1: And then the victim would have to defend herself, and

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Speaker 1: she can't afford generally a lawyer to defend her, and

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Speaker 1: so therefore she'd be stuck, and she'd feel intimidated and threatened,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I would have a lot at risk. Though.

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Speaker 1: That's why they're not going to name them. But there

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Speaker 1: is a member of Congress who said, tell me the

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Speaker 1: names and then I'll name them on the Congressional floor.

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Speaker 1: That would give perhaps some kind of legal immunity to

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Speaker 1: the member of Congress who might enjoy that privilege of immunity.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's the answer to the question what

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Speaker 1: the consequences could be for the victim.

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Speaker 2: Thirty three thousand pages, that's a lot of reading.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think they're probably more than one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: pages if as and when all of the pages are

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Speaker 1: counted and also provided to the committee. Who's going to

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Speaker 1: read them, Who's going to develop the narrative, how are

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Speaker 1: the decisions as to who shall be deposed and required

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Speaker 1: to be subpoenad and appear before the Who's going to

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Speaker 1: make those decisions. Let's face it, this is a political process.

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Speaker 1: However you slice it. This is a political process. It

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Speaker 1: does have some legal ramifications, but this is the way

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Speaker 1: we're going to know what we can know. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there are many people are going to try to

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Speaker 1: hide the truth, but the victims are going to be

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Speaker 1: very persistent. We'll have to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, Gloria, that's fascinating, and that's quite the fight that

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Speaker 2: you've got on your hands. But thank you for enlightening

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Speaker 2: us on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, my pleasure. I've been I mean January I'll have

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Speaker 1: been doing victims' rights for fifty years, where the leading

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Speaker 1: women's rights law firm in the United States. And even

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Speaker 1: after fifty years, we still have many more battles to

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Speaker 1: fight to win justice for victims. That's our commitment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for.

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Speaker 1: Having me on, and we'll look forward to another time

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Speaker 1: and give you some more updates if you wish to have.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Gloria appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: Gloria, already good day. Thank you, thank you,