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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just on answers.

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Speaker 2: While it deals with some really intense themes, it's done

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show. My mom

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Speaker 1: and Dad has nothing to do with parenting. But my

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast every month now is our book club, our

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Speaker 1: book reviews, the chance that we.

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Speaker 2: Get to what I just say. You say that your

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Speaker 2: favorite podcast every month, there's a different one every time

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Speaker 2: because you like everything we do well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really like the doctor's desk, and I

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Speaker 1: like I'll do it tomorrow, and I love your insights.

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Speaker 1: But I love book Club like I get properly excited.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, book Clubs coming around again. We get

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Speaker 1: to talk about the books we've been reading. And that's

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Speaker 1: what we're doing today. Hello. This is Justin and Kylie.

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Speaker 1: We are the parents of six kids. We're a husband

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Speaker 1: and wife podcast team, well life team really, and we

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Speaker 1: we love to podcast and share our ideas with you

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Speaker 1: about how to make your family happier. But today we're

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Speaker 1: taking a break from Happy Families and we're just indulging

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to try and stick to time. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to completely cheat. I know we're only supposed to

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Speaker 2: What about you, I'm going to talk about two.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So I'm going to go first. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be me, me, you, and then me again to

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Speaker 1: finish it off, because why not. So the first book

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to talk about is by Taylor Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: Read at the start of the year, I read one

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Speaker 1: loved it. It was called Malibu Rising. I think at

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Speaker 1: that character called Carrie Soto is Back. So in Malibu Rising,

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Speaker 1: How many stars for We Are.

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Speaker 2: Wolves it would be five?

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Speaker 2: I will give a special mention to What Happened to You.

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Speaker 1: He's the one who wrote The Boy Who was raised

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Speaker 2: That's on my shelf. I haven't got there yet.

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