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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledge the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to wiggle Talk Podcast for parents. My name is

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Speaker 2: Locky and I wear purple in the Wiggles.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Lockey. My name is Simon and I wear red

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Speaker 3: in the Wiggles. Yes, it's great to be here, Lockey.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 3: We're in the pod, yep, and this is We talk

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Speaker 3: a lot of things in the pod, you know, unveil

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Speaker 3: a lot of things about ourselves. Yes, and I have

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Speaker 3: spoken about We moved house. Yes, we bought a new couch. Lovely,

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Speaker 3: it is lovely. It's a lovely couch. It's a lovely

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Speaker 3: cream colored couch.

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Speaker 4: Very well done.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. But see it's not the smartest color,

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Speaker 3: is it. Because I've got a bit of couch paranoia. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I understand why people used to keep their coverings on

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Speaker 3: their couch. We got to a point where they are

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Speaker 3: old couch where it didn't really matter. You could eat

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Speaker 3: on it, you could, you know, and so Asha would

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Speaker 3: eat on a drink on it. Whatever I've spiled a bit.

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Speaker 3: You could also unzip that one jugging in the wash

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Speaker 3: and get back on, but not. Now. This is an

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Speaker 3: expensive couch and I've got couch paranoia about stains.

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Speaker 4: Will the blankets over it or not?

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Speaker 3: Yet? There's a little stylish throw.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it doesn't cover all the couch.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. But I think it's probably a good

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Speaker 3: thing just to actually Asher understands the importance to me

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Speaker 3: of this new couch. Yes, and so we're not eating

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Speaker 3: on the couch okay, yes, well one either. There's the

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Speaker 3: rules for him, it has for me. Do it for

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Speaker 3: lows as well.

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Speaker 2: Sneaky hot chocolate after Ash has gone to bed watching

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Speaker 2: a movie or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you mentioned red wine or imagine if a

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Speaker 3: little spillage I know, see apparently has been treated. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what that means. What does that actually mean?

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Speaker 2: It should have a covering on it, so if you

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Speaker 2: do spill something, it should come.

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Speaker 3: Off yeah easier. Yeah, So now I mean we just

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Speaker 3: don't sit on the couch. Well, that looked, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: I will relax. But I think it's a nice thing

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Speaker 3: not to eat your dinner at the couch anyway. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 3: and snacks and things, and we can move that. There's

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Speaker 3: an island bench, sure, there is actually I think it's

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Speaker 3: called the dining room table. Yes, you can actually sit

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Speaker 3: there and eat your dinner and anat food.

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Speaker 2: I just remembered Mum and dad the only house they built,

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Speaker 2: we had a dining room, had a lovely table.

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Speaker 4: And we never sat it there.

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Speaker 3: That was nice. Yeah, thinking back now, it was a

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Speaker 3: lovely room, a little bit of formal dining.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when we have people over, we did use it.

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Speaker 3: The good china came out.

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Speaker 4: None of the couch.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's that's where we're at. But if you

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Speaker 3: come over, which I'd love you too one day, how

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Speaker 3: would you welcome to sit on the couch?

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I will not just dont No, we're talking about season two. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we will talk. We've had two seasons, but we're still

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Speaker 3: in season two. We are, and we've had a bit

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Speaker 3: of everything.

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Speaker 4: Yep, we've got a new Neon.

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Speaker 3: And we've got big feelings. It was just about the

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Speaker 3: new Neon. There's been big questions and we've had some

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Speaker 3: truly unforgettable guests.

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Speaker 2: We have and it all began with one of the

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Speaker 2: most emotional conversations we've had on this podcast, and that

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Speaker 2: was with our friend and former general manager of The

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Speaker 2: Wiggles and Anthony's big brother, Paul Field, sharing his incredibly

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Speaker 2: sad but moving story of his daughter Bernadette and the

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Speaker 2: night that changed his family's life forever.

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Speaker 4: Here is that moment.

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Speaker 5: The next morning was the first National Red Nose Day

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Speaker 5: after they arrived they had said she's died, right, and

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Speaker 5: the doctor very quickly also said it's sudden infant death syndrome, right.

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Speaker 5: And so I was on tour at this time. You know,

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Speaker 5: So they were there for quite a while and in

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Speaker 5: one who told me what had happened, which is just

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Speaker 5: I just I don't know how he did that, you know,

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Speaker 5: I just wailed. And they put Pauline onto the phone

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Speaker 5: once we got to talk to each other, and she

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Speaker 5: that's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: Well, this next segment Somewhere with Hugh Van Klember, got

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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of social media attention. Again,

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Speaker 2: a very open and incredibly generous of you to share

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Speaker 2: his time with us. It was the first time he

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Speaker 2: spoke on another platform after releasing that beautiful letter that

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Speaker 2: he wrote. He put that out on their Imperfect podcast,

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Speaker 2: But it was all about an open letter about raising

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Speaker 2: a neurodivergent child, and that itself got an incredible reaction online.

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Speaker 2: We spoke all about that, all about that letter all

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Speaker 2: listening to him talk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been been very lucky to have you on

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Speaker 3: the podcast a couple of times. He's the founder of

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Speaker 3: the Resilience Project. He's a podcast, The Imperfect He's one

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Speaker 3: the judgment people might have when you have a new

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Speaker 3: divergent child, as not coping out in public. All those

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it had a huge amount of traction online

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Speaker 3: We're listened to a scene. I think that was what

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were saying in the commentary through socials,

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Speaker 3: the crux of it, how he actually spoke to his

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Speaker 6: Years of preparation and the build up was huge, and

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Speaker 6: we've found this book. It was a book about different brains,

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Speaker 6: so every page is a different type of brain. Talked

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Speaker 6: are like, and everything was very positively framed, which Penny

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Speaker 6: and I really love. And we said, we don't want

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Speaker 6: to say we want to talk to about something. We

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Speaker 6: want to bring them in on this information instead of

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Speaker 6: educating the lots of different brains and you have a

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Speaker 6: certain type of brain. One of the pages was about

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Speaker 6: an OCD brain, and my wife, Penny has OCD, So

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Speaker 6: we said, why don't you put that child to bed

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Speaker 6: that night you read in that book, and then maybe

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Speaker 6: when you get to the page and autism, you could say,

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Speaker 6: and that's what we believe your brain is, and then

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Speaker 6: you can have a conversation. I'll be in the room

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Speaker 6: next door putting the other child, one of the others

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Speaker 6: to bed, but I'll be there to come in. And

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Speaker 6: I remember, I've ever done this with your kids. But

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Speaker 6: you're reading a book, but you actually are not listening

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Speaker 6: It's amazing how often that happens. Actually, when my child's oh,

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Speaker 6: but what did Polly say?

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Speaker 3: Who's Polly in the book? I've done it with as

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Speaker 3: you were said, Oh this isn't we haven't read this

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Speaker 6: So my wife Pennies in the room there and I'm

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Speaker 6: doing the reading, but not this, not paying toothing. I'm

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Speaker 6: listening to every single word that's happening. I'm ready to

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Speaker 6: run in and say, you know, there's a big moment,

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Speaker 6: and in my head is a huge moment. And I

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Speaker 6: heard Pennies say to our child, and that's the brain

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Speaker 6: you have. You are autistic. You have an autistic brain.

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Speaker 6: And I waited to hear their response and the response was, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 3: And what I just said how do you feel about that? Yeah? Fine,

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Speaker 2: During the chat with Hugh, all the comments on social

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Speaker 2: media were, oh, my goodness, it's the book that he

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Speaker 2: was talking about that he read to his child in

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Speaker 2: explaining autism was a book called The Brain Forest. And

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Speaker 2: so many people wrote in and said, this is the book,

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Speaker 2: this is the book, this is the book he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: So we tracked down the incredible writer of The Brainforest,

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Speaker 2: which was Sanja Menon, and got her into the pod.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great to have her in andto I mean,

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Speaker 3: she was blown away by the response. I think that

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Speaker 3: people were reading this book and that how many family

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Speaker 3: was actually helping, because you don't know you write a book,

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Speaker 3: or you'd write a song where you actually don't know what.

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Speaker 3: And so we got her in and she has some

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Speaker 3: wonderful insights into the world of neurodivergent children and why

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Speaker 3: she wrote the book. And you know, she was really

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Speaker 2: Sandra is all about normalizing neurodivergence and that's why The

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Speaker 2: Brainforest is such a beautiful book, because every brain is different.

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Speaker 2: This next bit we're going to listen to is all

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Speaker 2: about neuroaffirming and what that means.

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Speaker 4: So let's have a listen to Sancha.

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Speaker 7: Neuro Affirming is just short for neurodiversity affirming, which means

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Speaker 7: we're starting to work with the way that your brain

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Speaker 7: works rather than against it. And part of that is

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Speaker 7: actually unpacking the neuonorms, the ways that we are told

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Speaker 7: that we should operate, and we're looking at how do

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Speaker 7: we operate how do we actually move through the world.

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Speaker 7: So I'll give you an example in my every day

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Speaker 7: is school lunchboxes off my life. My child used to

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Speaker 7: go to school with a ham and cheese sandwich, and

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Speaker 7: over time that was no longer an accepted food, and

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Speaker 7: they went, oh, no, what do I give them? Because

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Speaker 7: it was just coming back for all the time, You're

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is hilarious. If you've seen him on

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Speaker 4: So it was a lovely, really lovely, open, wonderful chat.

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Speaker 3: that he felt after they had the twins, the process

440
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Speaker 3: of you know, through surrogracy getting the twins. He was

441
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Speaker 3: so open and while at the same time, even though

442
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Speaker 3: he has which he speaks about, had some struggles, he's

443
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: very funny and he sees the world and parenting in

444
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Speaker 3: a very humorous way, even through the struggles and the

445
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Speaker 3: hard time. So it was a really great chat and

446
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Speaker 3: you really lovely person Yeah.

447
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, and it was really eye opening to

448
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Speaker 2: the stuff that we didn't understand as much as other people.

449
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Speaker 4: So it was just really lovely to have.

450
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Speaker 2: A lovely informative chat with someone so willing to share

451
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Speaker 2: their story and help others learn about different situations, which

452
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Speaker 2: was really lovely.

453
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Speaker 4: So that's Sean's epps.

454
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Speaker 12: When people see me out and about, usually looking much

455
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Speaker 12: cuter than the average dad at school pickup, I just

456
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 12: you know, just a little bit. They often think babysitter, nanny.

457
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Speaker 3: Okay, uncle.

458
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Speaker 12: And it's not just that they think that, it's that

459
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 12: they say that to me. How long have you been

460
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Speaker 12: watching the kids, I'm like every day since they were born,

461
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Speaker 12: So like, I know what's going on in their heads.

462
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Speaker 12: You know, if I wasn't me, and if I didn't

463
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Speaker 12: grow up the way that I grew up in the

464
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Speaker 12: environment I grew up in, I would be much more judgmental.

465
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Speaker 12: But the reality is they just don't have a ton

466
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Speaker 12: of examples. I know that I'm the only one of

467
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Speaker 12: the playground and I'm the only one in the school,

468
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Speaker 12: So like, if they have the questions, I'm going to

469
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Speaker 12: try really hard to be as calm and polite as

470
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Speaker 12: I can. And almost one hundred percent of the time

471
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Speaker 12: people are like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Of course, yes,

472
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Speaker 12: that's great, Oh that's great, that's.

473
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Speaker 5: Great, and they move on.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I had it the other day, which didn't know, well,

475
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Speaker 3: I didn't feel great about it, but as a grandfather

476
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Speaker 3: with his job walking down the he looked at me,

477
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Speaker 3: so you too, you were like no, no, no, no,

478
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Speaker 3: no no. And I didn't say anything, of course, just

479
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Speaker 3: a smile and oh yeah.

480
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Speaker 12: Oftentimes people will say older women usually go home and

481
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Speaker 12: thank your wife, and I love to play with that.

482
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Speaker 12: I have two paths. There are two options, actually have

483
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Speaker 12: three options. Option one, she's doing great. I'll tell her

484
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Speaker 12: what would I do without her?

485
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Speaker 3: That's my favorite.

486
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Speaker 12: Option two you're looking at the wife baby, and that

487
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Speaker 12: doesn't usually go. And then option three is a full

488
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Speaker 12: explanation of the truth. Well, I'm glad you asked two

489
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Speaker 12: father family, And so it's just depending on how much

490
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Speaker 12: coffee I've had or maybe how many margaritas, you know,

491
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Speaker 12: we get to decide what.

492
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Speaker 3: Path to go about. We spoke with Tia Pitt, who

493
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: is a remarkable person. She's an author, speaker, athlete, mum

494
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Speaker 3: of two. Love for her humor and honesty. She's a

495
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Speaker 3: survivor of catastrophic burns and she has an extraordinary specive

496
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Speaker 3: on residence in life because of that and what she

497
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Speaker 3: went through is unbelievably traumatic and the fact that she

498
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Speaker 3: can come out the other side now and she's written

499
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Speaker 3: books and she's helping people, she has talk she's you know,

500
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Speaker 3: just to give a whole her perspective on life and

501
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Speaker 3: now having children, on parenting as well.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about a new book that has

503
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: been out for a while now, but it's called selfish,

504
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: and that just the idea that you can actually stop

505
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Speaker 2: and look after yourself. And she recognized that she had

506
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: such burnout and what she was going to do about that,

507
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: and how she was going to look after herself in

508
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Speaker 2: those moments that it wasn't actually selfish, it was just

509
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Speaker 2: crucial in her family set up.

510
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Speaker 4: And it was an awesome chat.

511
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Speaker 2: She had some really full on stories about things people

512
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: have said to her even now and how she responds

513
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Speaker 2: to them, and an amazing person.

514
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Speaker 3: An amazing woman, and such a great reminder that we

515
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Speaker 3: do need to as parents look after for ourselves to

516
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Speaker 3: be the best people we can be for our children.

517
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Speaker 3: With excellent chat.

518
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Speaker 13: One of the reasons that contributed to my burnout was

519
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Speaker 13: that I didn't have very good boundaries. And I had

520
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 13: good boundaries in some ways, but a really bad way

521
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 13: in which I didn't have any boundaries was when someone

522
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 13: would come up to me and they'd say, wow, you

523
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 13: got burnt. That's a crazy story, what happened. I'd feel

524
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Speaker 13: like I'd have to answer this stranger's question. I'd have

525
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Speaker 13: to be polite about it, and I'd have to make

526
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Speaker 13: sure that they felt okay. And that they weren't rathered

527
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Speaker 13: by what had happened to me. So I'd spend all

528
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Speaker 13: of this energy, all of this emotional investment, and making

529
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Speaker 13: sure that they were good, they were fine. I answered

530
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Speaker 13: their intrusive questions, and then I'd walk away from that.

531
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Speaker 13: I'd feel really depleted and also a little bit lucky.

532
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Speaker 13: And so what I did is kind of learned to

533
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Speaker 13: set better boundaries. I didn't just figure that out by myself.

534
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Speaker 13: I did it with the help of a psychologist. And

535
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Speaker 13: she was like, you know, you don't have to answer

536
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 13: those questions. And I was like, what do you mean

537
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 13: asked me a question? I have to answer it? And

538
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 13: she said, well, you don't have to. You can walk away,

539
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 13: you can ignore them.

540
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Speaker 4: Was that hard to do? Kind of the first time

541
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Speaker 4: you went to put that so.

542
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Speaker 13: Awkward, so uncomfortable. Was sitting next to go on the

543
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Speaker 13: plane and he was like, do you still get sunburnt?

544
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Speaker 13: Didn't even I didn't even know this Blake's name. I

545
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Speaker 13: had nothing to.

546
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Speaker 3: Do with him.

547
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Speaker 13: And I was like, this is it to real?

548
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Speaker 4: This is your chance?

549
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Speaker 13: And I put in my AirPods. So I didn't say

550
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Speaker 13: anything to him. I just ignored him for the whole

551
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Speaker 13: area plane trop. I ignored this guy next to me,

552
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Speaker 13: and I realized I didn't feel bad about ignoring him.

553
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Speaker 13: I actually felt good about it, which is when I

554
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Speaker 13: realized that where setting those kinds of boundaries that can

555
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Speaker 13: actually be really empowering.

556
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Speaker 2: Well, some people you talk to just make you happy

557
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Speaker 2: and inspire you. And mas Compton came into the room

558
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: and she was just an absolute bright, bubbly Her energy

559
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: is infectious. She was speaking about a really major point

560
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: in her life and about alcohol and how that affected

561
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Speaker 2: her life. What I loved from the chat was that

562
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: she knew and was listening to her body enough to

563
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: know that something just didn't feel quite right and she

564
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: wanted to do something about it, and the clarity that

565
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: came when she did make a change was life changing

566
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Speaker 2: for her. Such a great chat, such a lovely person.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she gave up alcohol eleven years ago and it

568
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: wasn't because her life was collapsing or anything like that,

569
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Speaker 3: but she just wanted to felt like she wanted to

570
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: live with more clarity and live a bit differently to

571
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Speaker 3: what she was doing. And then she became a parent

572
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Speaker 3: after that, and she talks really openly about it all

573
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: and honestly about it all and not for a second

574
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: is she telling people to stop drinking or we telling it.

575
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Speaker 3: You know, this is just all like you were saying,

576
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 3: listening to who you are and what your needs are

577
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: and your family's needs and seeing if you're, you know,

578
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: the best you can be.

579
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Speaker 2: Remember that bit that she spoke about where kind of

580
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Speaker 2: every it's an ossie cultural thing, but every kind of

581
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: moment that happens is kind of centered around having it. Like, yep,

582
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Speaker 2: on holiday, you have a drink, get some award, you

583
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Speaker 2: have a drink, You win a match, you have a drink,

584
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Speaker 2: You congratulate your birthday, you have a drink.

585
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then sadness too when she mentioned that, I

586
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: hadn't thought about that before. But in any occasion that

587
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: happens in our lives, whether it's happiness or sadness, you

588
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: can celebrate or commiserate with a drink. Look, I think

589
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: with everything we do in life, it's just great to

590
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: be aware of the patterns we have and what we do.

591
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, Maz gave us some insight

592
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: into her life and that might resonate with some listening.

593
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Speaker 14: So let's starle it back to twenty fourteen, I'll paint

594
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 14: you a little picture.

595
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Speaker 15: So twenty fourteen I actually looked.

596
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Speaker 14: Pretty similar to what I do these days, which is

597
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Speaker 14: quite nice.

598
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 15: So I was killing it.

599
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Speaker 14: And I had a national radio show, so I was

600
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Speaker 14: on billboards around the country hosting the biggest radio show

601
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Speaker 14: in Australia, which was great, and they paid me heaps

602
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 14: of money to do it, which was awesome.

603
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 15: I was living in Melbourne, in my little tiny Melbourne apartment.

604
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Speaker 14: I had an entire heart of the wardrobe dedicated to

605
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Speaker 14: just shoes because that's what I was into at the time.

606
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Speaker 14: So I felt like I was tic tick killing it.

607
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 14: But I was so internally miserable. But I was putting

608
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Speaker 14: on this really brave face so no one would ever know.

609
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 7: They would just.

610
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Speaker 15: Say, Mas, she's the bubbly one on the radio. She's

611
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Speaker 15: got this national radio show. You know she's going place.

612
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: She got so many shoes go.

613
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Speaker 14: But internally I was really not loving life, and so

614
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 14: I lived in a state of real disconnect and conflict

615
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 14: for that whole year where I was like, everything on

616
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 14: paper looks so good, but I'm not happy with who

617
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Speaker 14: I am and how I'm showing up to life, and

618
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Speaker 14: how I was showing up and managing all of that conflict.

619
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Speaker 14: Was just drinking alcohol all the time, and it was

620
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Speaker 14: doing my head in. So that's where I got to

621
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Speaker 14: the point where I was like, I'm not my best self.

622
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Speaker 15: Even though people probably.

623
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Speaker 14: Think I'm all good, I knew internally those conversations I

624
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 14: was having in the mirror in those dark hours were

625
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 14: not positive. I knew I needed to change something, but

626
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Speaker 14: I couldn't figure out how to do it.

627
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Speaker 15: So I wrestled for that whole year.

628
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Speaker 14: On like, how do I manage this alcohol thing? Do

629
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Speaker 14: I just stop drinking because that felt impossible? Do I

630
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Speaker 14: just keep going? That's kind of silly. So I was

631
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Speaker 14: really at this crossroads for a good few months trying

632
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Speaker 14: to figure out what to do.

633
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm We had a really lovely chat with Victoria Berenson,

634
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Speaker 2: who's a psychologist, educator and founder of the Safe Kids Project.

635
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Speaker 2: Such an important and chattel all about body autonomy. And

636
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: you think you as a parent, I think, well, you

637
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: know that those kind of general things, but when you

638
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: speak to it specialist in the area, it just even

639
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: the most simple things and questions and how you set

640
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: it up with your children from bathtime and you know,

641
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: just you put the question out, then they start to

642
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: get an understanding of okay, someone has to ask he's right.

643
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: I started doing this with Asher because I normally dry

644
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: him after the shower. I asked him, now, would you

645
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: like me to dry you? Actually, would you like to

646
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: draw yourself? I hadn't thought about it. As soon as

647
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: she said it was like a light bulb, of course,

648
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: And also then the knock on effective as a parent,

649
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: if your child is going how to play, date or something,

650
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: you have every right to ask questions about who's going

651
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: to be there and what the plans are, because you know,

652
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: we don't know. And I think we said it in

653
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Speaker 3: the chat. If the people you're talking to have an

654
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: issue with it, then maybe you don't want your child around.

655
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: And that's okay too. I think we have every writer's

656
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: parents to keep our children in every way as safe

657
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Speaker 3: as possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, please have a listen to the chat.

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Speaker 2: It was so informative, and there were some lighter moments,

660
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Speaker 2: and there were some really important deeper moments, and this

661
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Speaker 2: is one of them that Victoria's explaining exactly how to

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Speaker 2: respond when a child does disclose something, if and hopefully

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Speaker 2: never something does happen, So have a listen, very important conversation.

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Speaker 10: Firstly, I'd say take a really deep breath because when

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Speaker 10: a child tells you or discloses something, because it is

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Speaker 10: very confronting and it's obviously a lot of high emotions

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Speaker 10: at that point. So I would say take a deep breath.

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Speaker 10: And then the next thing is you believe them no

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Speaker 10: matter what, because what a child needs in that moment

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Speaker 10: is just to be heard and just to be seen

671
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Speaker 10: in what they are experiencing, and then go from there.

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Speaker 10: So the best question that I can say is, if

673
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Speaker 10: a child comes to you, we want to keep it

674
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Speaker 10: super open ended. We don't want to lead the conversation anywhere,

675
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Speaker 10: and so you can say something like can you tell

676
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Speaker 10: me what happened next? And then what happened after that?

677
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Speaker 10: Can you tell me a little bit more about that?

678
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Speaker 10: And so it's very open and we just want to

679
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 10: provide that space to allow that conversation to flow. We

680
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 10: want to be really mindful of questions of oh, and

681
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 10: did they do this, and then did this happen next.

682
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 10: It's really like allow that to be and then once

683
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Speaker 10: that's happened, there's a lot of praise, there's a lot

684
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Speaker 10: of connection. I'm so so proud of you for telling me.

685
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 10: I'm so grateful that you felt safe to share this

686
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Speaker 10: with me. This is with mummy now, or with daddy

687
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 10: or with your caregiver. We're here to support you. You

688
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 10: don't have to hold this on your own. I am

689
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Speaker 10: here lots of praise and reassurance. And then from there

690
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Speaker 10: it's connecting in with local police, local child protection services. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and that will lead a whole different process, and that's

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Speaker 10: sort of different wherever you live.

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Speaker 3: Well, Lookie, was great having Jeff here in the pod.

694
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Speaker 3: Was you know, a fan favorite.

695
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: Yes, A lot of people have been asking for it

696
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 4: for a long time.

697
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have, and we gave it to them, we did. Yeah.

698
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Speaker 3: But he's such a lovely, humble person who was never

699
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: out for any fame or notoriety. He just wanted to

700
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: play music and live his life and very shy, very shy,

701
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: And he talks about that shyness and how he had

702
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: to kind of balance that out with a public persona

703
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: and his sort of personal life, and you know, he's

704
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: managed it very well. Yeah, and he talks quite openly

705
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: about that, which is lovely.

706
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does.

707
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Speaker 2: And the recent shows we've been doing. There's there's an

708
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: excerpt up on the screens from a message from Jeff

709
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: Wiggle and the crowd you know they still they just

710
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: they cheer and they love him so much. And it's

711
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: a really nice part of the show actually, because Anthony's

712
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: just asked the audience if they remember the o G

713
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: Wiggles and came to watch them, and they're all so happy,

714
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: and then Jeff comes up on the screen. He is

715
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: such a loved member of this group, and it was

716
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: really nice to kind of actually hear from You don't

717
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: never really know much about Jeff or doesn't share a lot,

718
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: but that's how he likes it, and it was really

719
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: lovely that he shared some of how he felt in

720
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 2: the early days and his nerves and how he dealt

721
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: with them. And this scenement we're going to listen to

722
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: was how Jeffy felt like there were two Jeffs, two

723
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: sides of him that he had to kind of work

724
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Speaker 2: on to get across on screen.

725
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when we finished a chat, he was like, oh,

726
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: that actually wasn't too bad.

727
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 16: Wake up Jeff before that day through, can you keep

728
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 16: that noise down? I'm trying to sleep.

729
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 17: Yes, The two jeffs my normal Jeff.

730
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Speaker 4: Yes, he is sort of.

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Speaker 17: Sort of now, although I am but slightly larger yes

732
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 17: in life than I normally am. Yes, doing an interview, Yes,

733
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Speaker 17: but the other Jeff doesn't like to be on camera, Jeff.

734
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Speaker 17: And but to reconcile that, it's interesting, I guess I

735
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 17: was being given the wake Up Jeff Mantle was a

736
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 17: way of concealing the real Jeff. So I actually had

737
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 17: a role that I could play without having to show

738
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Speaker 17: too much of my real self.

739
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Speaker 4: Was it kind of Anto that picked up on that?

740
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Speaker 3: Is that?

741
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: Is that right?

742
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: And did you talk about that at the time really

743
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: early on, like look, I'm not that comfortable yes, Or

744
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: did he just go, hey, come on, I've got something.

745
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 17: Well, well, he Anto is really good in being able

746
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 17: to get the best out of people, so I'm sure

747
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 17: that he was aware of that, and it's just his

748
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 17: ability to be able to put together a show and

749
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Speaker 17: get the best out of people. So, I mean, originally

750
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 17: I think it was wake Up Anto. Did you drive

751
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 17: a big red car? Initially I did.

752
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: I was the original big Red cards driver. And then

753
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: I had heard that story that once they change it

754
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: to wake Up Jeff, they realized it wasn't a good idea,

755
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: But not a guy who falls asleep randomly to be

756
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: the one.

757
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a very good example.

758
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: That's probably class these days. That's bad modeling. Yes, it

759
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: is modeling behavior, Yeah, but that would be jeff no

760
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: never never.

761
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 17: Anyway, the role of the wake up was. I embraced it.

762
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 17: Of course, I loved it. And I could just close

763
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 17: my eyes and basically tune out. Yeah, and without having

764
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Speaker 17: to reveal myself.

765
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Speaker 3: Well, Lockie, you know, for this episode, we just wanted

766
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Speaker 3: to revisit some of the chats we had during season two.

767
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: Of course, it's not the end of season two. This

768
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: is just a little recap because there's a lot of

769
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: information that happens, and you'll hear these little grabs or

770
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: you heard these little grabs and then it's you know,

771
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: you might want to go back and revisit, or there's

772
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: something that you missed to go back to which kind

773
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: of resonate you through these. So we just wanted to

774
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: give a little highlights real so far of season two.

775
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Speaker 4: Yes, I hope you enjoyed them.

776
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: Thank you Simon, thank you Loggie, and thanks for being

777
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: with us. But you'll come back, maybe you'll be backfiring

778
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: for the second part of season two. I'm sure you

779
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: will be because we won't have a new neon for

780
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: this because we're still in season two.

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Speaker 4: That's still new.

782
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm feeling a new table really yep? Okay, yeah, we've

783
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Speaker 2: got a few weeks to sort out a new table.

784
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, well you put yourself up for it now, handywork, No, no.

785
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Speaker 16: Table.

786
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Speaker 3: Yeah. We hope you've enjoyed listening to wiggle Talk so

787
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: far season two, and I hope you enjoyed the little

788
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: highlights you're all and there'll be more from us. Don't

789
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: you worry about that. We just don't stop. We're just

790
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: like a podcasting machine here, aren't we.

791
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: We are.

792
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: And if you if you enjoy you mean enjoying wiggle Talk,

793
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: how your friends?

794
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: Yes, rate us, review us, and we'll see you soon. Yeah.

795
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: Thanks listening to wiggle Talk. It's a podcast for parents.

796
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Speaker 4: Goodbye,