Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms Flex and Fromes. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Froomes catch up podcast. My name is Frumy.
Speaker 2: I am a one half of the Flexing Frooms duo
Speaker 2: and in very exciting news, I'm writing a book a
Speaker 2: bo okay. This has been a lifelong dream. I will
Speaker 2: say it's a lifelong dream of most human beings, particularly
Speaker 2: those who have main character syndrome. No way, really, I
Speaker 2: think everybody thinks that they could write a book.
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone thinks a movie could be made
Speaker 3: about their life. Do people want to sit down like
Speaker 3: Ernest Hemingway and write a book Ernest?
Speaker 1: As in Ernest Ernest, This isn't.
Speaker 3: About Ernest, It's about fruit. Tell us about your book.
Speaker 3: When Fruny says it's a long time coming, you might
Speaker 3: not be across her law, but most people know her
Speaker 3: for being a comedian, the face of a Australian youth
Speaker 3: website that will not be named for legal reasons at
Speaker 3: such reason, and just being an all around legend on
Speaker 3: social media. She's phasing out of that phase of her life.
Speaker 3: She's just a regular cat. But now she's back on
Speaker 3: the app with a book. Tell us about it.
Speaker 2: My book is called Perfect candidate. We've done one of
Speaker 2: those things where I've come up with the title like
Speaker 2: before it's finished, right fantastic, which it's kind of giving
Speaker 2: me a little bit of direction.
Speaker 3: It is about We're definitely still in the drafting phase
Speaker 3: of book right in and process. The book isn't due
Speaker 3: to come out anytime soon, so I'm not excited anyway.
Speaker 2: Perfect Candidate is trigger warning. It's about my experience with
Speaker 2: an eating disorder. That's kind of like the kernel of
Speaker 2: the book. However, I would say it is an interrogation
Speaker 2: of pop culture, early two thousands culture. I've always been
Speaker 2: a bit of a sucker for nostalgia, so I'm diving
Speaker 2: back into the archives of the early two thousands to
Speaker 2: look at what people who are our age twenty four
Speaker 2: grew up with the images that we had.
Speaker 1: The general why are you laughing?
Speaker 3: Pushing thirty at this time? I don't even know the
Speaker 3: age anymore, but she's definitely not twenty four. Can't pass
Speaker 3: for twenty four. This is audio based, but just rooms
Speaker 3: with three I's on Instagram you'll see for yourself.
Speaker 2: And fine lines are fine learning guys. I'm out of
Speaker 2: juvenile is going to fix that?
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a lot about your book
Speaker 3: and start with the obvious question, Yes, how did you
Speaker 3: pick the subject matter? Because I'm not sure when people
Speaker 3: would hear that you're writing a book, that this subject
Speaker 3: matter would be the one to jump out at them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely fantastic question you, Lillian. This reminds me of the
Speaker 2: first time that we met, when I was injewing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuscle full circle. We were so professional. We still
Speaker 1: are sitting in the little stools. Yeah, we are with So.
Speaker 2: I came up with this book topic. First, I wrote
Speaker 2: about I. So how do I just explain it?
Speaker 1: You wrote about the first of your newsletter? Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I read about the first my newsletter. So not knowing
Speaker 1: the law, how I'm going to have such a fan It.
Speaker 2: All comes out when you're dating someone that you really so.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Let me tell you about that book,
Speaker 1: book Candy.
Speaker 2: So, I had been approached to write a book in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I'm pretty sure, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: do you want to write like something about how to
Speaker 2: be a good CEO? Like a jokebok. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: let's do a joke book, like a coffee table book.
Speaker 2: But then at the time I was recovering from an
Speaker 2: eating disorder, and like, I'd always write notes in Google
Speaker 2: docs about my experience, never thinking I would ever publish
Speaker 2: it because it was just kind of like a therapeutic,
Speaker 2: cathartic thing. I actually had the thought, one day, I
Speaker 2: will write about this experience when I'm forty, when I'm rich,
Speaker 2: when I've established myself as like an inherently funny person.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that time's not coming. So she said, let's
Speaker 1: cash in now.
Speaker 2: The price high, the prices, hie, you must strike when
Speaker 2: nine is hot. But no, I ended up on like
Speaker 2: not really a win, but it was during COVID, And
Speaker 2: I write about this in the book. During COVID I
Speaker 2: had COVID, I was in lockdown early twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: in my parents' house.
Speaker 1: Okay, early adopter absolutely.
Speaker 2: Always at New Year's after kissing a few too many friends.
Speaker 1: And friends, friends and family. So that kind of book.
Speaker 2: And I wrote about my experience with anorexia. And I
Speaker 2: think about this with people who have eating disorders. It's
Speaker 2: easier for me to talk about the anorexia as opposed
Speaker 2: to like binge eating, because there's still so much shame
Speaker 2: around that. So I want to explore it in the book.
Speaker 2: But yeah, essentially I wrote about in the newsletter. These
Speaker 2: newsletters did wildly well. Hates people share them. I'd never
Speaker 2: had so much good feedback on something that I'd done
Speaker 2: that was not funny. Yeah, and that was actually like
Speaker 2: a very freeing moment for me as a human being.
Speaker 3: Do you have any reservations about writing about this topic?
Speaker 3: I only ask because it reminds me of when I
Speaker 3: first started DJ Just bet with me. But I did
Speaker 3: this one one DJ set for Nike, right, it was
Speaker 3: a Nike run club, and then after that the only
Speaker 3: job office I would get were athletic affiliated DJ gigs. Right,
Speaker 3: you do one panel talking about race, and everyone's like,
Speaker 3: this is the race girl. Are you prepared for the
Speaker 3: reality that's going to come when you become the poster
Speaker 3: child for speaking about because I think people will frame
Speaker 3: in like a body positivity way. Sure they frame in
Speaker 3: an anarexia bing cheating way.
Speaker 1: Does that worry you? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I hesitated to write this kind
Speaker 2: of book for a long time. I hesitated to write
Speaker 2: about it in the newsletter like that was the biggest
Speaker 2: concern for me, and I actually when I announced a
Speaker 2: book I wrote about this in the announcement newsletter saying
Speaker 2: how like for a long time I have shied away
Speaker 2: from talking about women's issues because I just think that
Speaker 2: is catching it.
Speaker 3: You set it out, you set it out, and I
Speaker 3: just took it. When I take it back, dam you
Speaker 3: got me so good about perhaps the best. That was
Speaker 3: incredible timing Lilian and Preey's apprentice comedian by Proximity Unleash
Speaker 3: to Beast.
Speaker 1: You should be worried about that. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: That's why I had so many reservations for so long
Speaker 2: talking about it because I want to be funny. I
Speaker 2: feel like, like you said with the DJ thing, things
Speaker 2: are expected of you to talk about which just aren't fun.
Speaker 2: And that's how actually not our personality. Like we are silly,
Speaker 2: both of us. But I think the way that I'm
Speaker 2: going to write the book is going to be in
Speaker 2: such a way that like, this isn't a body positivity book.
Speaker 1: It's not put in the prologue.
Speaker 2: This is about the contradictions of being part of this culture,
Speaker 2: being in the juveiterim community, girls and boy bosses. And
Speaker 2: also like we had a conversation with this podcast that
Speaker 2: I find really interesting and I want to introgate this
Speaker 2: in the book, the idea that everyone is beautiful rhetoric
Speaker 2: but not giving. That's why I kind of really want
Speaker 2: to focus on looking at beauty standards across time as
Speaker 2: well as kind of interrogating is us being all really
Speaker 2: like cognizant of our bodies?
Speaker 1: Is that a new thing?
Speaker 2: Like you know, people like plastic urdiers on the rise data,
Speaker 2: Like I actually want to look at the facts. I
Speaker 2: want this to be. I want to have really water
Speaker 2: tight research in this book to kind of paint a
Speaker 2: picture of both my experience as well as kind of
Speaker 2: the experience of others.
Speaker 1: Because I'm also really.
Speaker 2: Aware of the fact that like, and this comes into
Speaker 2: the title, if you're going to ask me about the title.
Speaker 1: Why do you interview?
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so perfect candidate means a few things. It's what
Speaker 2: I would be told when I would go. For example,
Speaker 2: I had braces and I went to the dentist and
Speaker 2: he said, I think we should break your jaw to
Speaker 2: pull it forward because you're very cute, but it would
Speaker 2: look better. You're the perfect candidate for this. And I'm
Speaker 2: fourteen years old, so I've had a lot of these
Speaker 2: experiences in my life. You know, I look back now
Speaker 2: at this age and I'm like, Damn, I was fourteen.
Speaker 1: I was just a client.
Speaker 2: Literally, I was a client. And then also perfect candidate
Speaker 2: refers to the idea that I've always felt like a
Speaker 2: lot of what I've done has been for this job.
Speaker 2: The weight stuff, the body dysmorphia, was all like I
Speaker 2: need to be this perfect getaway presenter girl because I'm
Speaker 2: so driven and I want to get everything, and the
Speaker 2: one way to like shield myself from getting rejected is
Speaker 2: by being as thin as possible, by being this so
Speaker 2: that when I'm being a woman and I'm being loud,
Speaker 2: no one can say, oh, she's fat. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? And then also the final thing is
Speaker 2: being you know, like a middle class white woman. I'm
Speaker 2: the perfect candidate for an eating disorder. Everyone expects I'm
Speaker 2: the perfect candidate. I'm exactly what you look at.
Speaker 1: So can I say I really ate? So this is
Speaker 1: good for me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because I think me writing this book, a million other
Speaker 2: girlies in my position have spoken about this topic. I
Speaker 2: want to be really aware of that, and not in
Speaker 2: a self flagellation like I know what I am by
Speaker 2: but in a way that's actually like when you look
Speaker 2: at the eating disorder statistics, it is more common for
Speaker 2: people in my experience to have it. But this is
Speaker 2: across countries, socio economic levels. It happens in places where
Speaker 2: people are starving. It happens everywhere. For me, Like, the
Speaker 2: point of the book is for people to understand, for example,
Speaker 2: with eating disorders, that it is a mental illness. People
Speaker 2: don't think of eating disorders as mental illness. I know
Speaker 2: from my own experience. I have friends who've gone through it,
Speaker 2: and I've been like, oh, they're being so annoying, and
Speaker 2: then I've got to be like, wait, why is it different?
Speaker 2: The cost of mental illness is people being annoying and
Speaker 2: being rude. We look at someone with an eating disorder
Speaker 2: as we think of it as a choice. When I
Speaker 2: really want to reiterate that this is a mental illness
Speaker 2: that you can It's a one thing that I'm very
Speaker 2: sure you can cure.
Speaker 1: When is the book coming out? The book TBC?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to it's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a big one. Yeah, everyone don't get excited. It's definitely
Speaker 3: not a twenty twenty three in deavor. It might be
Speaker 3: early twenty twenty five only because and I know this
Speaker 3: from experience, if you miss the writers' festivals I think
Speaker 3: are either March or October, like start or enter they
Speaker 3: and then you got to be there for the next ones.
Speaker 2: So the publisher said late twenty twenty four. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to really try and push my pussy to
Speaker 2: get this done. Any other questions did you think?
Speaker 1: I explained that well from your perspective, perfect, like perfect.
Speaker 3: I really think it's going to be fantastic again, because
Speaker 3: I think the way that you'll write it will be
Speaker 3: really really accessible and interesting, and you have a really
Speaker 3: great way of connecting ideas, you know, like when for
Speaker 3: me speaks it's SYNTHESI or when for me right, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, wait, I'm laughing, but I'm learning, but
Speaker 3: it's information. But what's happening here. And I think what'll
Speaker 3: be really awesome too, is that your reference points will
Speaker 3: be so accessible Simpson's call, No, I was just thinking
Speaker 3: early two thousands broadly. And also, I would say, because
Speaker 3: this is not a topic you've rinsed virtually before diving
Speaker 3: into with the book, I think people be intrigued to
Speaker 3: know what your thoughts are on this broadly as opposed
Speaker 3: to them being like, oh yeah, I know, I know
Speaker 3: her experience.
Speaker 1: We've heard this a thousand times. Yeah yeah, yea yea yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Can you see any plot holes of what I've said
Speaker 2: or anything that you're like, how are you going to
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 3: From your perspective, When I think about you writing this book,
Speaker 3: I only care about your opinion. I really don't ever
Speaker 3: care about stats, facts or whatever. Well, I care in
Speaker 3: the sense, but it doesn't make me think something is
Speaker 3: more believable or worth listening to. The further, someone dives
Speaker 3: deep into just their natural curiosities, platforms, tradictions, pulls out,
Speaker 3: pulls out what the audience might perceive this as being
Speaker 3: that feels way more interesting, Like I would love to
Speaker 3: write about you said that the newsletter you wrote on
Speaker 3: this eating disorder was one of the most popular things
Speaker 3: that had come to be, And you said this was
Speaker 3: the first thing that I had written that wasn't funny
Speaker 3: that you know that got people's attention. I'd be like,
Speaker 3: but why and for what reason were they connecting with
Speaker 3: the concept, connecting with you, humanizing you. This is a
Speaker 3: weird way where people kind of like, oh, well, she's
Speaker 3: not just a public figure. She has issues and therefore
Speaker 3: she's more accessible to me. And I would love to
Speaker 3: know if there was like a before this and an
Speaker 3: after this. But I definitely feel like, don't ever feel
Speaker 3: as you're writing that the facts and stats are more important.
Speaker 3: Then you almost taking us through that journey of like
Speaker 3: plugging in and plugging out of this and recognizing what
Speaker 3: you said before, Like I could talk about the eating
Speaker 3: disorder broadly way more than I could talk about BINGI
Speaker 3: as a concept even that, I want to know why,
Speaker 3: Like what's the difference, why is there a different and
Speaker 3: what is the shame as well?
Speaker 1: And I also give it away. Oh anyway, thanks for
Speaker 1: the questions. We're gonna have fun with this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, anyway, everyone save your questions until at least
Speaker 3: early twenty twenty and.
Speaker 1: Save your coins please. Yeah. I'm gonna get some pre orders.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the pre order campaign is the one that matters.
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