WEBVTT - 📗 FROOMIE IS WRITING A BOOK! 📗

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms Flex and Fromes. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Froomes catch up podcast. My name is Frumy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a one half of the Flexing Frooms duo

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<v Speaker 2>and in very exciting news, I'm writing a book a

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<v Speaker 2>bo okay. This has been a lifelong dream. I will

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<v Speaker 2>say it's a lifelong dream of most human beings, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>those who have main character syndrome. No way, really, I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody thinks that they could write a book.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like everyone thinks a movie could be made

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<v Speaker 3>about their life. Do people want to sit down like

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<v Speaker 3>Ernest Hemingway and write a book Ernest?

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<v Speaker 1>As in Ernest Ernest, This isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>About Ernest, It's about fruit. Tell us about your book.

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<v Speaker 3>When Fruny says it's a long time coming, you might

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<v Speaker 3>not be across her law, but most people know her

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<v Speaker 3>for being a comedian, the face of a Australian youth

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<v Speaker 3>website that will not be named for legal reasons at

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<v Speaker 3>such reason, and just being an all around legend on

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<v Speaker 3>social media. She's phasing out of that phase of her life.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just a regular cat. But now she's back on

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<v Speaker 3>the app with a book. Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 2>My book is called Perfect candidate. We've done one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things where I've come up with the title like

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<v Speaker 2>before it's finished, right fantastic, which it's kind of giving

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of direction.

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<v Speaker 3>It is about We're definitely still in the drafting phase

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<v Speaker 3>of book right in and process. The book isn't due

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<v Speaker 3>to come out anytime soon, so I'm not excited anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect Candidate is trigger warning. It's about my experience with

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<v Speaker 2>an eating disorder. That's kind of like the kernel of

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<v Speaker 2>the book. However, I would say it is an interrogation

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<v Speaker 2>of pop culture, early two thousands culture. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a sucker for nostalgia, so I'm diving

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<v Speaker 2>back into the archives of the early two thousands to

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<v Speaker 2>look at what people who are our age twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>grew up with the images that we had.

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<v Speaker 1>The general why are you laughing?

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<v Speaker 3>Pushing thirty at this time? I don't even know the

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<v Speaker 3>age anymore, but she's definitely not twenty four. Can't pass

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty four. This is audio based, but just rooms

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<v Speaker 3>with three I's on Instagram you'll see for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And fine lines are fine learning guys. I'm out of

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<v Speaker 2>juvenile is going to fix that?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you a lot about your book

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<v Speaker 3>and start with the obvious question, Yes, how did you

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<v Speaker 3>pick the subject matter? Because I'm not sure when people

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<v Speaker 3>would hear that you're writing a book, that this subject

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<v Speaker 3>matter would be the one to jump out at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely fantastic question you, Lillian. This reminds me of the

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<v Speaker 2>first time that we met, when I was injewing you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fuscle full circle. We were so professional. We still

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<v Speaker 1>are sitting in the little stools. Yeah, we are with So.

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with this book topic. First, I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>about I. So how do I just explain it?

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<v Speaker 1>You wrote about the first of your newsletter? Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I read about the first my newsletter. So not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>the law, how I'm going to have such a fan It.

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<v Speaker 2>All comes out when you're dating someone that you really so.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you. Let me tell you about that book,

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<v Speaker 1>book Candy.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I had been approached to write a book in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, I'm pretty sure, and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to write like something about how to

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<v Speaker 2>be a good CEO? Like a jokebok. And I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do a joke book, like a coffee table book.

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<v Speaker 2>But then at the time I was recovering from an

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<v Speaker 2>eating disorder, and like, I'd always write notes in Google

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<v Speaker 2>docs about my experience, never thinking I would ever publish

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<v Speaker 2>it because it was just kind of like a therapeutic,

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<v Speaker 2>cathartic thing. I actually had the thought, one day, I

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<v Speaker 2>will write about this experience when I'm forty, when I'm rich,

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<v Speaker 2>when I've established myself as like an inherently funny person.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately that time's not coming. So she said, let's

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<v Speaker 1>cash in now.

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<v Speaker 2>The price high, the prices, hie, you must strike when

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<v Speaker 2>nine is hot. But no, I ended up on like

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<v Speaker 2>not really a win, but it was during COVID, And

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<v Speaker 2>I write about this in the book. During COVID I

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<v Speaker 2>had COVID, I was in lockdown early twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>in my parents' house.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, early adopter absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Always at New Year's after kissing a few too many friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And friends, friends and family. So that kind of book.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wrote about my experience with anorexia. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think about this with people who have eating disorders. It's

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<v Speaker 2>easier for me to talk about the anorexia as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to like binge eating, because there's still so much shame

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<v Speaker 2>around that. So I want to explore it in the book.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, essentially I wrote about in the newsletter. These

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<v Speaker 2>newsletters did wildly well. Hates people share them. I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>had so much good feedback on something that I'd done

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<v Speaker 2>that was not funny. Yeah, and that was actually like

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<v Speaker 2>a very freeing moment for me as a human being.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have any reservations about writing about this topic?

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<v Speaker 3>I only ask because it reminds me of when I

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<v Speaker 3>first started DJ Just bet with me. But I did

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<v Speaker 3>this one one DJ set for Nike, right, it was

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<v Speaker 3>a Nike run club, and then after that the only

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<v Speaker 3>job office I would get were athletic affiliated DJ gigs. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>you do one panel talking about race, and everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the race girl. Are you prepared for the

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<v Speaker 3>reality that's going to come when you become the poster

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<v Speaker 3>child for speaking about because I think people will frame

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<v Speaker 3>in like a body positivity way. Sure they frame in

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<v Speaker 3>an anarexia bing cheating way.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that worry you? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why I hesitated to write this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of book for a long time. I hesitated to write

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<v Speaker 2>about it in the newsletter like that was the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>concern for me, and I actually when I announced a

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<v Speaker 2>book I wrote about this in the announcement newsletter saying

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<v Speaker 2>how like for a long time I have shied away

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<v Speaker 2>from talking about women's issues because I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>is catching it.

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<v Speaker 3>You set it out, you set it out, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just took it. When I take it back, dam you

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<v Speaker 3>got me so good about perhaps the best. That was

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<v Speaker 3>incredible timing Lilian and Preey's apprentice comedian by Proximity Unleash

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<v Speaker 3>to Beast.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be worried about that. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I had so many reservations for so long

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it because I want to be funny. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, like you said with the DJ thing, things

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<v Speaker 2>are expected of you to talk about which just aren't fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how actually not our personality. Like we are silly,

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<v Speaker 2>both of us. But I think the way that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to write the book is going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>such a way that like, this isn't a body positivity book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not put in the prologue.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about the contradictions of being part of this culture,

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<v Speaker 2>being in the juveiterim community, girls and boy bosses. And

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<v Speaker 2>also like we had a conversation with this podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>I find really interesting and I want to introgate this

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<v Speaker 2>in the book, the idea that everyone is beautiful rhetoric

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<v Speaker 2>but not giving. That's why I kind of really want

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on looking at beauty standards across time as

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<v Speaker 2>well as kind of interrogating is us being all really

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<v Speaker 2>like cognizant of our bodies?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a new thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, people like plastic urdiers on the rise data,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I actually want to look at the facts. I

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<v Speaker 2>want this to be. I want to have really water

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<v Speaker 2>tight research in this book to kind of paint a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of both my experience as well as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the experience of others.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm also really.

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<v Speaker 2>Aware of the fact that like, and this comes into

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<v Speaker 2>the title, if you're going to ask me about the title.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you interview?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so perfect candidate means a few things. It's what

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<v Speaker 2>I would be told when I would go. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>I had braces and I went to the dentist and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I think we should break your jaw to

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<v Speaker 2>pull it forward because you're very cute, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>look better. You're the perfect candidate for this. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years old, so I've had a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>experiences in my life. You know, I look back now

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<v Speaker 2>at this age and I'm like, Damn, I was fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just a client.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, I was a client. And then also perfect candidate

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<v Speaker 2>refers to the idea that I've always felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what I've done has been for this job.

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<v Speaker 2>The weight stuff, the body dysmorphia, was all like I

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<v Speaker 2>need to be this perfect getaway presenter girl because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so driven and I want to get everything, and the

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<v Speaker 2>one way to like shield myself from getting rejected is

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<v Speaker 2>by being as thin as possible, by being this so

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<v Speaker 2>that when I'm being a woman and I'm being loud,

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<v Speaker 2>no one can say, oh, she's fat. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? And then also the final thing is

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<v Speaker 2>being you know, like a middle class white woman. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect candidate for an eating disorder. Everyone expects I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect candidate. I'm exactly what you look at.

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<v Speaker 1>So can I say I really ate? So this is

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<v Speaker 1>good for me, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think me writing this book, a million other

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<v Speaker 2>girlies in my position have spoken about this topic. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be really aware of that, and not in

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<v Speaker 2>a self flagellation like I know what I am by

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<v Speaker 2>but in a way that's actually like when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the eating disorder statistics, it is more common for

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<v Speaker 2>people in my experience to have it. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>across countries, socio economic levels. It happens in places where

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<v Speaker 2>people are starving. It happens everywhere. For me, Like, the

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<v Speaker 2>point of the book is for people to understand, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>with eating disorders, that it is a mental illness. People

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<v Speaker 2>don't think of eating disorders as mental illness. I know

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<v Speaker 2>from my own experience. I have friends who've gone through it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been like, oh, they're being so annoying, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I've got to be like, wait, why is it different?

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<v Speaker 2>The cost of mental illness is people being annoying and

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<v Speaker 2>being rude. We look at someone with an eating disorder

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<v Speaker 2>as we think of it as a choice. When I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to reiterate that this is a mental illness

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<v Speaker 2>that you can It's a one thing that I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>sure you can cure.

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<v Speaker 1>When is the book coming out? The book TBC?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was going to it's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a big one. Yeah, everyone don't get excited. It's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>not a twenty twenty three in deavor. It might be

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<v Speaker 3>early twenty twenty five only because and I know this

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<v Speaker 3>from experience, if you miss the writers' festivals I think

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<v Speaker 3>are either March or October, like start or enter they

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<v Speaker 3>and then you got to be there for the next ones.

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<v Speaker 2>So the publisher said late twenty twenty four. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to really try and push my pussy to

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<v Speaker 2>get this done. Any other questions did you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I explained that well from your perspective, perfect, like perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>I really think it's going to be fantastic again, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think the way that you'll write it will be

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<v Speaker 3>really really accessible and interesting, and you have a really

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<v Speaker 3>great way of connecting ideas, you know, like when for

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<v Speaker 3>me speaks it's SYNTHESI or when for me right, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, wait, I'm laughing, but I'm learning, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's information. But what's happening here. And I think what'll

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<v Speaker 3>be really awesome too, is that your reference points will

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<v Speaker 3>be so accessible Simpson's call, No, I was just thinking

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<v Speaker 3>early two thousands broadly. And also, I would say, because

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<v Speaker 3>this is not a topic you've rinsed virtually before diving

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<v Speaker 3>into with the book, I think people be intrigued to

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<v Speaker 3>know what your thoughts are on this broadly as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to them being like, oh yeah, I know, I know

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<v Speaker 3>her experience.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard this a thousand times. Yeah yeah, yea yea yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you see any plot holes of what I've said

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<v Speaker 2>or anything that you're like, how are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that?

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<v Speaker 3>From your perspective, When I think about you writing this book,

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<v Speaker 3>I only care about your opinion. I really don't ever

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<v Speaker 3>care about stats, facts or whatever. Well, I care in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense, but it doesn't make me think something is

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<v Speaker 3>more believable or worth listening to. The further, someone dives

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<v Speaker 3>deep into just their natural curiosities, platforms, tradictions, pulls out,

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<v Speaker 3>pulls out what the audience might perceive this as being

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<v Speaker 3>that feels way more interesting, Like I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>write about you said that the newsletter you wrote on

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<v Speaker 3>this eating disorder was one of the most popular things

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<v Speaker 3>that had come to be, And you said this was

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing that I had written that wasn't funny

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<v Speaker 3>that you know that got people's attention. I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>but why and for what reason were they connecting with

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<v Speaker 3>the concept, connecting with you, humanizing you. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>weird way where people kind of like, oh, well, she's

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<v Speaker 3>not just a public figure. She has issues and therefore

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<v Speaker 3>she's more accessible to me. And I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>know if there was like a before this and an

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<v Speaker 3>after this. But I definitely feel like, don't ever feel

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<v Speaker 3>as you're writing that the facts and stats are more important.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you almost taking us through that journey of like

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<v Speaker 3>plugging in and plugging out of this and recognizing what

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<v Speaker 3>you said before, Like I could talk about the eating

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<v Speaker 3>disorder broadly way more than I could talk about BINGI

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<v Speaker 3>as a concept even that, I want to know why,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what's the difference, why is there a different and

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<v Speaker 3>what is the shame as well?

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<v Speaker 1>And I also give it away. Oh anyway, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the questions. We're gonna have fun with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, anyway, everyone save your questions until at least

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<v Speaker 3>early twenty twenty and.

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<v Speaker 1>Save your coins please. Yeah. I'm gonna get some pre orders.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, the pre order campaign is the one that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody will tell you that true. After launch, it's dead

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<v Speaker 3>to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It up.

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