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Speaker 1: On Monday, we were contacted, if you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: the show over the last couple of days, by a

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Speaker 1: concern parent following that brawl at the Palmerston bus exchange

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Speaker 1: on Friday. The visions now everywhere are the stories on

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Speaker 1: the front page of the paper today. And joining us

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Speaker 1: on the show is the acting Assistant Commissioner of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police, James O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to all of your

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Speaker 3: listeners out there.

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Speaker 2: Now, Assistant Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: I understand police attended that brawl on Friday afternoon. Some

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Speaker 1: parents are questioning if officers could have been there sooner.

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Speaker 4: What's your take, Well, we received two triple zero calls

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Speaker 4: on that. We've gone through all of our records with it,

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Speaker 4: just to make sure that we've got this right, because

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Speaker 4: I can understand I saw the vision. It's it's chockerble,

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Speaker 4: it really is, you know, that sort of behavior on

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Speaker 4: other students are there and that should be a really

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that was really disturbing.

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Speaker 4: So when we looked at those calls, by the time

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Speaker 4: was around about six minutes, so, which is fantastic. That's

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Speaker 4: a that's a relatively yep sort of response. Time police attended,

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Speaker 4: They disbursed the group. I think they even took somebody

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Speaker 4: we're just working through the investigatory process now.

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Speaker 1: All right, So at this point in time, has anyone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, we haven't made any arrest.

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Speaker 4: Like I say that, the investigation is still ongoing at

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Speaker 4: the moment we were alerted to that footage.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's sort of married up then with the calls.

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Speaker 4: So now we're just we're catching up, I suppose to

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Speaker 4: make sure that we've got all of those investigations.

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Speaker 1: Have you also seen that vision of being on the

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Speaker 1: you know, like again another like a fight on the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's really disturbing footage. And it's something

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Speaker 4: that you know, if it was on a school bus

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Speaker 4: the things that we need to look at, and we

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Speaker 4: July this year, which we'll see around about twenty four

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Speaker 4: then with the other two squads that are scheduled for

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Speaker 2: In social I mean there's still a while off, I guess.

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Speaker 1: So in the meantime, you know, what would you say

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Speaker 2: Should there be more of that just randomly?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely there should be. And with our Greater Darwin Commander

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Speaker 4: our Territory Safety Vision. Those two areas often coordinate and

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Speaker 4: in fact they do the daily patrol the meeting every day.

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Speaker 4: But we've got some activities on going out at Palmerston

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Speaker 3: So we'll just do a bit of a refocus out there.

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Speaker 3: And absolutely it should not be tolerated at all.

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Speaker 4: What we do find is students coming back, they might

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're definitely hearing that there's more people around. I

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Speaker 2: Be a more of an educative approach in terms.

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Speaker 1: Of, you know, this is not acceptable, this is not

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Speaker 4: I think that's a whole range of things that will

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's terrible and no like no kid should have

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and it shouldn't be that way. And so what

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Speaker 3: Focus some resources on those areas.

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Speaker 4: And we might even pick up some intelligence as well

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Speaker 1: So now, in terms of some of that public intoxication,

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Speaker 1: They should be taken to another facility or you know,

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Speaker 1: The police sort of see that if there is that

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Katie, And it's something that you know, we have

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Speaker 4: a whole new cohort of police I would say, over

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Speaker 4: thirty odd years. Know that if you clean the streets

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Speaker 4: some point where we solely focused on the alcohol in

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Speaker 4: So that was a fantastic example of if we get

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to talk about property crime.

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Speaker 1: It's something that you know, we've spoken about so much

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Speaker 1: Now, we'd heard some rumblings that things might be changing

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Speaker 4: So one of the things with that, and it's probably

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Speaker 4: and we don't want to change that at all. Okay,

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Speaker 4: their job description is not going to change. The entry

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Speaker 4: Alls we're doing is allowing now Strikeforce Trident as a

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Speaker 1: Is it going to mean, though, that they deviate away

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Speaker 3: Been doing, Not at all, Kadie.

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Speaker 2: Will it mean that they.

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Speaker 4: No, so it will remain the same as it is now,

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Speaker 4: even though they may eventually move to Peter McCaulay Center.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So that's not a done deal yet.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, But logistically, you know, to move twenty thirty odd

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Speaker 4: If it does happen, it will happen, you know, several

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: What I would say is that if they do move

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Speaker 1: Are any of those offices being forced to go to

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Speaker 4: What we do do is we do offer our offices

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Speaker 1: I know that tried and it's not often that you

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Speaker 1: I don't think about different divisions, you know, like whether

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Speaker 2: But I think it's you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Almost like they're, you know, a victim of their own

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Speaker 1: You know, they've gone out to so many different locations

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Speaker 1: hang on a second, I don't want this to change

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and like I say, Katie, that's just not going

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Speaker 4: It's probably something that your listeners don't may not be

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Speaker 4: So there's no change. And I think Viper is a

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Speaker 3: It's just we need to know about the infra right.

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Speaker 1: So the best thing to do call the police one

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Speaker 1: This morning, Daily river, how are things tracking in terms

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's been very slow rising, and what I can

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Speaker 4: That the Darwin community is welcoming them when they see

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Speaker 3: Straight back in.

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Speaker 1: Well, James O'Brien, the acting Assistant Commissioner with the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police, we better leave it there. I've kept it

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Speaker 1: for way longer than you're supposed to be. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: I thank you.

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Speaker 4: Could I just say one more thing. Trevisee is Sergeant

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Speaker 4: Trevisee's is retiring today after forty odd years in the

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Speaker 1: Forty years goodness me deserves to put his feet up.

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Speaker 1: What a legend. That's awesome work. A big congratulations to him.

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Speaker 1: What a long time to be serving the Northern Territory community.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you, y good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Thank you