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Speaker 2: for today's deep dive, I'm going to throw to a

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Speaker 2: chat that I had with Billy about consent classifications in Australia.

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Speaker 2: And the Good News UK children's show Pepper Pig has

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Speaker 2: more LGBTQI plus characters in the show. We're talking today

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Speaker 2: about a call for a new classification for movies and TV.

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Speaker 2: It is c for consent, the idea being that there

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Speaker 2: of consent. Billy, Should we start with where these calls

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Speaker 4: Yes, So it's all coming from a not for profit

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Speaker 4: organization called Consent Labs, and so they're the ones who

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Speaker 4: and they compare it to existing classifications for course, language, nudity,

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Speaker 4: they say, to identify what can looks like or in

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what does Consent Labs actually say a lack

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Speaker 4: Well, I asked Angeliae Grand, the CEO and co founder

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Speaker 5: We really champion the affirmative consent models. So what we're

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Speaker 5: looking for with consent is an agreement that's freely involuntarily given,

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Speaker 5: but it's also something that is actively sought, it's verbally

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Speaker 5: So a lack of consent is when any of those

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Speaker 2: Okay, that all makes sense, But do you have any

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really interesting list. I thought. It's stuff

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I had the same reaction to Zara

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Speaker 4: after a quick message from our sponsor. Okay, So you

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Speaker 5: So in one of the very early scenes actually, where

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Speaker 5: Will you? Oh? Let's go out? Had slipping.

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Speaker 5: They're repeatedly asking again and again and applying a lot

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Speaker 5: So in that one, there's no consent given in the

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Speaker 4: There really is that lack of consent present in both

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Speaker 2: Much the same as when we think about political correctness

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Speaker 2: certainly retrospectively. But when it comes to classifications, now, like

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Speaker 4: At the moment, films, TV shows and other publications are

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Speaker 4: to change. Interestingly, though material is generally only classified once,

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Speaker 4: meaning that old films and TV shows would not automatically

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Speaker 2: Okay, So do we know if the government would actually

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was my question because it's all well and

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Speaker 2: It, definitely.

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Speaker 4: So I reached out to the Federal Communications Minister, Michelle

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Speaker 4: Classification Board identifies non consensual sex in a film as

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the government saying they already consider consent in

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Speaker 5: If they feel they already have a model that identifies

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