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Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned at the stars of the show,

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Speaker 1: a notorious outback murder of Bradley John Murdoch has died,

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Speaker 1: so coming to terminal throat cancer. Now his death comes

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Speaker 1: days just days after the father of murdered British backpacker,

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Speaker 1: Peter Falconio, made an emotional plea for the convicted killer

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Speaker 1: to reveal where his son's remains were. Now we know

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Speaker 1: that Murdoch remained tight lip lipped, I should say, taking

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Speaker 1: his secrets to the grave. Just having some issues getting

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Speaker 1: our next guest on the line, so hopefully we're able

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Speaker 1: to do so in just a moment. But well, joining

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Speaker 1: us on the line is former mt Police officer Colleen Gwynn,

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Speaker 1: who lead the investigation into the disappearance of Peter Falconio.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Colleen, Hey, how are you Cody? Yeah, pretty good, Colleen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we found out early this morning that

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Speaker 1: Murdock was had indeed passed away. What was your reaction

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Speaker 1: when when you found out that that he had indeed died?

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Speaker 2: Look, I found out very early this morning as well.

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Speaker 2: Look it's been expected, But I guess my thoughts went

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Speaker 2: straight to Peter, the Falconio's and how they would be

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Speaker 2: feeling more than about how I was feeling, and having

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Speaker 2: been able to chat to them this morning, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a really hard to know how to feel today,

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Speaker 2: to be honest.

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Speaker 1: So have you spoken to the Falconio family this morning?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I have, I have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are they going, because it's it's hard

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Speaker 1: to describe. I suppose you know how like how people

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Speaker 1: must be feeling at this point because as much as

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Speaker 1: you you know your wish the murderer the worst, you

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Speaker 1: also you know you're wanting to actually reveal what he

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Speaker 1: did to Peter's body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I don't really want to go too much

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Speaker 2: into my discussion with them, but I feel that I

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Speaker 2: guess today is just about honoring Peter and Joanne, who

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Speaker 2: was so brave through this, and I guess that prolonged,

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Speaker 2: prolonged agony continues for them, but in hope's not lost.

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Speaker 2: I've said to you before, I think in an interview

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Speaker 2: and others, that when someone like Bradley Murdoch is in incarceration,

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Speaker 2: there's opportunity to talk. And has he said something to

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Speaker 2: another inmate, has he spoken to one of his friends

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Speaker 2: or connections outside of the prison, and it's been either

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Speaker 2: loyalty to him or that element of intimidation by Murdock

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Speaker 2: that they haven't come forward until now. So we can

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Speaker 2: only hope that maybe some often knows something and will

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Speaker 2: now feel free to come forward, whether it be for

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Speaker 2: their reward or just to do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have wondered that. I have wondered whether it

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Speaker 1: might actually, you know, it might mean that someone is

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Speaker 1: sort of enticed to come forward now that he has died,

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Speaker 1: as they might feel sort of safer or more willing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the hope, Katie, that's our hope, and

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Speaker 2: we will never stop paping, and a lot the Falconio

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Speaker 2: family and they are amazing resilient people who continue to

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Speaker 2: look for positives, continue to have hope. But there is

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Speaker 2: no doubt that that that that family agony continues every

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Speaker 2: day when you have a son taken from you, which

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Speaker 2: was hard enough, but then to never know what happened

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Speaker 2: or find him is just it's just a it just continues.

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Speaker 2: And yeah's it will always be difficult for them. It

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Speaker 2: changed their life that day. Yeah, And yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: I kind of take I've probably taken on a bit

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Speaker 2: of their emotion today and you develop these relationships with

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Speaker 2: people and and to see what they've gone through. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't wish that on anybody.

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Speaker 1: And then the heartbreak you know as well, of like

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Speaker 1: you know, reliving it all every time something like this

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Speaker 1: that you know for different reasons over the last sort

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Speaker 1: of twenty four years that it has been relived in

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Speaker 1: the media. But now you know the fact that Murdoch

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Speaker 1: has died and everybody is talking about their son again

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Speaker 1: and talking about this murderer again. And as I think

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Speaker 1: you said right at the start, you know luck you

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Speaker 1: want Peter to be the one that is remembered and

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Speaker 1: remembered fondly. And yeah, it's just a terrible situation all round. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, they Peter and Joanne had say for this holiday

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Speaker 2: for many years, this was their last holiday before they

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Speaker 2: planned to have a family settled down, and they would

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Speaker 2: never do that. This would change thing forever, Colleen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe that someone out there knows

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I do believe that. I think that

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Speaker 2: to keep that secret for this for these many many

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Speaker 1: Something, Colleen, I know we have such a raft of

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Speaker 1: I know that you know some of the prisoners listen

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Speaker 2: I guess for the family, mus stress to anyone that

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Speaker 2: knows anything, regardless how insignificant they may think it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not until the police get to weigh that up

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Speaker 2: as to how that may assist with finding what just

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Speaker 2: knowing what happened to Peter after you know, he was murdered.

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Speaker 2: So I would just thress to them to do the

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Speaker 2: aspect of this, of this whole horrendous situation.

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Speaker 1: And Colleen, having no doubt interviewed Bradley John Murdock on

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Speaker 1: numerous occasions and getting a bit of an insight into

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Speaker 1: the kind of person that he was. I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you it sounds as though you think it is entirely

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Speaker 1: plausible that he's that he would have told someone something,

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Speaker 1: but you know, he was maybe too sort of intimidating

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, his personality is such that he loves to

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Speaker 2: have control. He feels entitled to control others, and when

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Speaker 2: he loses that control, he likes to seek revenge when

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Speaker 2: he feels like he's been wrong. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: part of why he's never disclosed, is that he wanted

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Speaker 2: to keep that control. He lost control roll that night.

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Speaker 2: He lost control because Joanne fought for her life, and

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Speaker 2: that I think is critical around why he took it

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Speaker 2: to his dead. Yeah. I'm not sure what else I

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Speaker 2: that he's probably being responsible for other crimes that are

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Speaker 2: still that we're completely unaware of. This was a premeditated crime.

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Speaker 2: He targeted them. He just didn't count for as Joeanne

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Speaker 2: would fight like you did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how whether you can say much about

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Speaker 1: it or not, Colleen, But what was he like to

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Speaker 1: interview and to you know, to ask those questions when

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Speaker 1: this case and when you were trying, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to piece it all together.

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Speaker 2: Look, what was he like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Question? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like was he you know?

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Speaker 2: Was he he was very nervous. He was very uh.

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Speaker 2: He was certainly felt intimidated by myself and my colleague

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Speaker 2: that went to see him. He didn't feel he was

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Speaker 2: very much. I didn't feel in control of what he

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Speaker 2: was saying. He was he was, Yeah, he was more

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Speaker 2: certainly more nervous of how we were and he knew

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Speaker 2: that we had enough evidence to convict him. He knew

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Speaker 2: he was in a world heard at that time, and

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Speaker 2: didn't know what he could or couldn't say, and certainly

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Speaker 2: not the figure that I thought he would be. I

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Speaker 2: didn't find him intimidating at all. I found I found

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Speaker 2: him to be uh, I guess, not particularly sophisticated or

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Speaker 2: not particularly ordered in what he said.

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Speaker 1: Colleen. I always appreciate your time. I know our listeners

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. They were calling for you to have

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Speaker 1: a segment, you know, on the show last time you're on.

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Speaker 1: They like hearing from you.

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Speaker 2: Colleen. Oh, that's nice to know. It's I missed the

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Speaker 2: territory every day and it's always good to come on

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Speaker 2: and have a chat to you.

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Speaker 1: Can you too, Colleen, Gwen good to speak with you

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for your insight