1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: But we know right now the poles aren't looking great 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: for the Yes vote. The Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, though, 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: is in all Laru this morning where he's welcoming a 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: former politician and Ultra Marathon runner Pat Farmer and joining 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: us on the line this morning from All Laru. Matt Cunningham, 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Matt. How's all Laru this morning? Mate? 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: Not a little bit windy, but that's probably keeping the 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: flies away, so that's a good thing. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Oh, Mada, I'm imagining you with a bit of an 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: akubra on, you know, with the fly you know, the 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: things that hang down to keep the flies away. Could 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: you do across with one of those on? 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? Not try. 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: Now, mate. It is serious, serious stuff there though this morning. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: It's not looking real good for the Yes vote if 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: you look at those poles. But the Prime Minister still 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: seems to have some pep in his step. 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: He's just out of press conference here, Katie, and he 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: was asked about whether he had any regrets about holding 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: his referendum, and he said that he didn't. He said 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: he described himself as a conviction politician. He said he'd 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: made a commitment to people like Noel Pearson and Marion 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: Scrimger and others that this was what he was going 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: to do, and that is exactly what he's done. And 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: he said even if he loses the referendum, he won't regretted. 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: He likened it a little bit to the Brisbane Broncos 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: in the NRL Grand Final. Actually he said they might 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: have had a bad last twenty minutes, but he said 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: it would have been worse if they hadn't taken the 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: field at all. So over the words of the Prime Minister. 31 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: This morning he was here waiting for Pat Farmer, who's 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: just finished this quite remarkable run around the country. It 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: started six months ago in Tasmania and he traveled through 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: every state and territory fourteen thousand, four hundred kilometers Katie, 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: fourteen pairs of shoes. He's sixty one years old. I 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: see what He jogged into Ularu this morning and I 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: tried to go with him for about the last fifty 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: meters and I can check up. So he's gone right 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: for an old feller. 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Oh mate, did you have your camera and you sneaks? 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: God just imagine that runs read holding. 42 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Up too well. 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: But good on him. What an incredible effort like I've 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: run one marathon and I thought I was going to 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: die at the end of it. So I don't know 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: how to speaking about you. 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: I ran half a marathon. 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Oh, we've gone downhill run. 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I've ran sort of some of it. 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how he's managed it though, every day 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: up to eighty kilometers some days. 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 2: From what I've read, it's pretty incredible. I mean, it 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 2: just it really is remarkable. I was asking about that afterwards, 54 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: and he said that he just sort of tries to 55 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: take his mind to another place while he's traveling along. 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: He called it a lickory stick. I mean, you can 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: imagine some of those stretches through w A. We're just 58 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: looking at hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of Himan. You're 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: trying to You've just got to keep going. It really 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: was remarkable. But he's doing it all for a cause 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: in that for the Voice to Parliament, and he really 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: these key message here today was that he just wanted 63 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: people to be educated about it before they vote, saying, 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: please go out and read the ulary statement, read the 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: question that's going to be asked, and make sure you're 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: informed before you do vote. He's obviously supporting the s campaign. 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: But as we know, Katie, a lot of people are 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: probably trending the other way at the moment as well. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: So that's how the polls. 70 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that is certainly how the polls are looking 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: at this point, aren't they. Mat. I know that Sky 72 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: News had some got their hands on some of those 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: numbers a little earlier in the week. From what I 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: could see and correct me if I'm wrong, I couldn't 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: see much in terms of the numbers for the Northern territory, 76 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: but it really looked like the only places where they 77 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: were going to do well was in some of those 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: inner city seats. 79 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a city mail and in Sydney. Really, I 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: mean that pole was showing and it was done by 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: a similar mob that did a similar pole that was 82 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: pretty accurate before the twenty twenty two federal election. And 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: that pole that Andrew when Alfremsky got ex hands on, 84 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: showed that the Yes campaign Yes was only going to 85 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: get up I think in thirteen of one hundred and 86 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: fifty electorates. So that's pretty grim reason. Yes, I mean, 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: they're still trying to keep it positive, they're still hopeful 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: of the elatespeak their way, but I think that had 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: probably been an optimistic view at the moment. Also interesting, 90 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: there's a poll I think in the Sydney Morning Herald today. 91 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: We know that supporters of Yes and the Prime Minister 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: have regularly pushed this line at eighty percent of Aboriginal 93 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: people support the Voice. The City Morning heralds actually poll 94 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: that today and it's actually they've got the number at 95 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: about fifty nine percent. So that is either a significant 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: drop from that pole that was taken earlier in the year, 97 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: or I think it's probably more likely that that pole 98 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: that they've been relying on to those numbers wasn't particularly accurate, 99 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 2: given it was a pretty small sample size and people 100 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: were asked to identify themselves I think as to whether 101 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: they are Indigenous. So, I mean it's going to be 102 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: it will be interesting to see on Saturday night how 103 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: the vote goes, not just the overall vote, but how 104 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: the vote vote goes in a place where I've barely 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: counted the Northern Territory, Yeah, you know, and to see 106 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: how people voting communities and what the turnout is when 107 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: it comes to the Voice to Help. 108 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be really fascinated to see. We did catch 109 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: up with Jeff Bloom from the Australian Electoral Commission a 110 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: little while ago he said around forty six thousand had 111 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: already voted if I remember those numbers correctly, which I 112 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: think is pretty much in line with what we see 113 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: throughout other elections when it comes to early voting. But 114 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: it is going to see it's going to be incredibly 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: fascinating to see how it all rolls out on Saturday 116 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: and Matt how the Prime Minister sort of responds afterwards. 117 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be the key now, isn't it. 118 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: You know, Paul Kelly got an interesting piece in The 119 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: Australian today. He's going to have a real job in 120 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: in Canda after this referendum on Saturday. Whatever the result 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: is to bring Australians back together, whichever way you look 122 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: at it, you have to say it's been a pretty 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: device a few months and you know there's going to 124 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: really need to be some work done from the government 125 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: once all that unity. But also I think to I 126 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: think one thing that this whole campaign has done is 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: it has highlighted some of the issues that we're facing 128 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: in order to put them on the national scat stage. 129 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Excuse me, that's what I told you you should have 130 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: one of those hats on, mate, I warned you. And 131 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: that's what happens. You know when you when you land 132 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: in a place like Alice Spring, same thing when you 133 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: land in Mount Isaa. You notice those flies immediately you've 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: got to try not to eat them. 135 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Mate. 136 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: Lucky that didn't happen on television. Lucky. This is a 137 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: radio interview, oh. 138 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: Mate, reading about a bush range on the weekend. I 139 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: was trying to make a serious I know. 140 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: You were your poor bugger. We've gone. We have really 141 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: it's been an interesting interview for us this morning. 142 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: Matt. 143 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: Now, so tell me tell me what, like what does 144 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: he reckon? His next steps are going to be on 145 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Sunday the Prime Minister. I mean, like you said, it's 146 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: going to be really tough. He's got to bring the 147 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: country back together. But also, as you've touched on it, 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: it has really highlighted some of the very serious concerns 149 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: that we've got in the Northern territory. 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, and whether that be you know, our 151 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: springs which we saw, we've seen highlight of the issue 152 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: that our springs are dealing with. We're dealing with similar 153 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: things in Darwin whether it's remote education that's really been 154 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: on the cars lately. I mean, there's just, excuse me, 155 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: there's so many issues in the NT, and I mean 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: it's good that there's been a national focus on them, 157 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: but I hope that that might continue after this, something 158 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: might actually be done about Yeah, I got to go. 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let you go, Matt. We'll let you go 160 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: and sort yourself out after following swallowing that fly. Thank you, 161 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: thanks for catching on with us this morning.