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Speaker 1: Last week we obviously saw the government push through changes

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Speaker 1: raised concerns about the changes. Now joining us on the

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, into your listener.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show now, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: These pediatricians, they wrote to you last week with concerns

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Speaker 1: also ensuring early neuro developmental assessment and appropriate access to

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Speaker 1: diversionary alternatives. Chief Minister, have you received that letter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, so, I received that question in Parliament and

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Speaker 3: when I did follow that up, they had only written

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Speaker 2: So I think the summary of.

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Speaker 3: All of this is, if you're going to behave political

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Speaker 2: You cannot write to.

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Speaker 3: Me and three days later be demanding answers in parliament.

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Speaker 3: That's just unrealistic. And it says to me that these

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Speaker 3: my message to them was, please, families desperately need access

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Speaker 1: I guess some would argue that, you know, ensuring the

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Speaker 1: Some would argue, you know, that is in their realm. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And every kid who gets into detention has to

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Speaker 3: In terms of healthcare, again, that's where we have access

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Speaker 2: So detention is.

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Speaker 3: Not a perfect place, nor should it be. But at

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of the concerns that have

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Speaker 3: No, I won't be ktered. This is pointless me meeting

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Speaker 2: Back to doing what they do during the way.

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Speaker 1: Some have been Some including the AMA the Australian Medical Association,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, everyone has a role to play in life. If

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Speaker 1: Do you think some people were messaging through last week saying, well,

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Speaker 2: Katie, it's not new news and so you know it

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're going to struggle to get an

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I want to move along because the Domestic

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Speaker 2: Now, firstly, do you.

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Speaker 1: Think it was appropriate the findings were delivered I'm talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not.

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Speaker 3: So look, there's valid questions to be raised. Obviously, mister

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Speaker 1: I mean, should the coroner have delivered the findings on

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Speaker 3: I think people, you know, a lot of people would

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Speaker 3: But the accountability is what's really important.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Minister Robin Carl said of the coroner last week.

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Speaker 3: Violence did not mince her words. And what we know

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Speaker 2: But we have to measure the success.

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Speaker 3: We can't just keep lumbering forward in the same way

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Speaker 2: These numbers are so high, So.

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Speaker 3: We do need to do more and that's why we've

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Speaker 2: Largely that coronial. The DV coronial has largely been implemented.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just that we don't believe these

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Speaker 3: Everyone talks about, obviously the victims, which is absolutely fair.

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Speaker 3: No, because it's entirely the purview of the government. I

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Speaker 2: So the coroner is independent.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes that is the case, and we've certainly seen

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Speaker 2: For the future. And to do that, we've really narrow

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Speaker 2: And reducing crime.

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Speaker 3: You know, the coroner has a big role to play

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Speaker 2: We've been elected to do a job. We are doing

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Speaker 2: We can't win.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Over the weekend, the government release figures which you

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Speaker 3: Now that we've been in government eleven months, we've starting

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Speaker 3: And I just want to thank Samara Lavity for working

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Speaker 2: So it is it is now.

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Speaker 3: Very very clear to us that since January when so

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Speaker 1: And look, I know a lot of people will feel

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Speaker 3: So what it means is that where police would have

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Speaker 3: So what am I supposed to do, Katie? Am I

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Speaker 3: So they will continue to throw stones, and they'll continue

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Speaker 1: too much detail, but Mick Fairfield have been in contact

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Speaker 1: support for victims of crime. He says that no one

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory or federal governments prepared to meet

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Speaker 1: with him, will provide any further assistance to his family.

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Speaker 1: The court case over the death of his wife has

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Speaker 1: been going for three and a half years and was

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Speaker 1: again adjourned last week. Surely something can be done to assist.

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Speaker 2: This is just the most tragic, tragic situation.

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Speaker 3: Katie and I have met with Mick and so have

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Speaker 3: my colleagues a number of times, and you know, the

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Speaker 3: continued Adjoermans just prolonged the pain for this family. But

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Speaker 3: it is a court process and you know that unfortunately

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Speaker 3: has to run its course. One step we have taken

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Speaker 3: with victims of crime since coming to government recognizing that

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Speaker 3: it was inadequate is increase the Victims of crime levy.

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Speaker 3: So that's the levee that people who break the law

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Speaker 3: pay when they go to court, and we increase said

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Speaker 3: I think by about forty percent, Katie, So that will

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Speaker 3: see more money go into the victims of crime. Bucket,

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Speaker 3: which means more money to victims, but a horrific situation.

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Speaker 1: But you, Kenny, you will continue to meet with him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely, all right.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you one of the things that

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Speaker 1: really fired our listeners up last week is the question

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Speaker 1: that was asked in Parliament by the Independent Member for Johnston,

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Speaker 1: Justin Davis, around the flyover on Territory Day. Can we

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Speaker 1: just have confirmation that the flyovers not going to be canceled?

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Speaker 3: No way, absolutely, no way will it be canceled. It's

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Speaker 3: incredible and I actually I was so gobsmacked by their

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Speaker 3: stupidity of the question, Katie, but I felt for the

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Speaker 3: people that she was trying to represent. There will be

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Speaker 3: people in the Northern Territory who are from war torn countries,

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Speaker 3: but what was she be doing as a community is

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Speaker 3: saying to them, you're here, now, you're safe. And when

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Speaker 3: you hear jets flying in the sky in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 3: that is freedom.

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Speaker 2: That is the very freedom that I have.

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Speaker 3: For fathers and sisters fought for us for. That is

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Speaker 3: why we have democracy, that is why we are the

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Speaker 3: lucky country, and that is why we get to live

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Speaker 3: the life we live. So we should be embracing migrants

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Speaker 3: to this country who might have had a fearful pause

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Speaker 3: to say no, no, you're here now, and that is

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Speaker 3: the pure sound of freedom for Australians.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro, we better leave it there. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Take everyone,