1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: On today's show, the Messy Business dispute between two of 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Australia's most well known boyfriends of Instagram, Justin McKeehan is 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: labeled disappointing by a recent fling, a vegan influencer has 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: reportedly died of starvation, and Sophie Cacia in damage control. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy, 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Torbert and Kate. We're so excited to have you back 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: finally from Bali. It's great to be back. We had 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: the absolute best time in Bali. It was so relaxing. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I ate so much good food. But you know, I 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: was missing having these sorts of conversations. And also I've 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: got a lot to bring up with you guys during 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: this episode. So one of them is you guys really 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: roasted me about not taking enough photos, which seemed quite 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: hypocritical because it's like do I post too many or 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: too little? Because on one of our subscribe episodes, you 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: were talking about how you hate when people brag too 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: much about it. I know what I said was there 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: is a certain social media etiquette when it comes to 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: posting holiday photos and that. Personally, I think that photo 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: dumps are a good way to get around it as 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: opposed to doing constant feed posts. Let's be fair, though 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Kate doesn't have enough photos to do a photo top, 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: I do. I do have enough photos. I am working 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: on my photo dump. Well, it's taking too long. You 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: need to strike while the iron's hot and actually post 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: when you're there. When you're back home, you're sort of like, Eh, 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: people don't know I'm back yet until they listen to 29 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: this podcast, So I have to post it tonight, I think. Kay. 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: You also had a bit of an awkward incident with 31 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: your pet sitters. Yeah, so I had these amazing people 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: look after my dogs for eight nights, so they were 33 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: living in our house and poor bustards. They kept sending 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: really cute updates, but they were never about Shadow. They 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: were always about Sunny and it was always something naughty 36 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: she was doing. And she is our naughty problem child, 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: but we love her very much. She's literally destroyed your house, 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: like she's eaten your couch, She's getting the walls. You 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: go in there and there's like poor prints on the wall. 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah lucky. She's cute anyway, So it seemed like she 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: was quite anxious being separated from her mother and father, 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: and apparently she was humping things. She actually ripped one 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: of our couch cushions and she started opening draws, so 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: like our bedside table, she's managed to open them. So 45 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: the people had to take everything out and put it away. 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: This is hardly unusual behavior, though, this is how she 47 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: acts when you're at home. No, I think it was 48 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: a little bit worse. Really, it's been getting a bit 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: better anyway. I was overly thankful for these people because 50 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: we were hoping that if we found good dog sitters, 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: we might be able to go away more together. Anyway, 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: so I sent them a big message thanking them and saying, 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was great to have you guys there. 54 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I felt so calm having you guys looking after the dogs, 55 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: and are you open to looking after them again? And 56 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: I got this response, glad you enjoyed your trip. We 57 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: thought she might have been a bit anxious too. I 58 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: bet you got a big, happy welcome home. We hope 59 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: her humping settles down. Depends on how soon you go away. 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: We may not be pet sitting anymore. We're currently winding 61 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: down a bit just due to personal life. Stuff, and 62 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I want to put it out there. This couple were 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: in their early twenties. One was at Union, one of 64 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: just finish UNI. So I think they were trying to 65 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: let me down softly. Yeah, it's kind of like you 66 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: came on too strong, as if you were dating these 67 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: people and they've gone nuh. I don't even think it's 68 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: that Kate came on too strong. I think it's that 69 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: her dogs were so poorly behave that they have just 70 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: ruined them from ever wanting to come back again. It's interesting, though, 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: because I used a platform called mad Pause. It's kind 72 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: of like Tinder for a dog sitter and or Airbnb. 73 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: And it's going to be interesting to see if they 74 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: keep their profile up, because then I'll know that they 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: were lying. See. I think next time you've got to 76 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: take them to one of those doggie retreats where they 77 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: get in a whole new environment. Basically, they lock them away, 78 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: they have lots of activities with other dogs. Maybe Shadow 79 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: can go to one of his grandparents' houses and Sonny 80 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: will be in doggy boot camp. I just love that 81 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: these dogs have forced these people into retirement. See. I 82 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: was hoping to use them for my honeymoon. Look, they're 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: not in retirement, they just don't want to look after 84 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: our dogs, So this will be a ploy. I'm going 85 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: to contact them and see if they're available for my honeymoon. 86 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: What a burn if they are. The worst bit is 87 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: they were actually like the nicest people ever. The fact 88 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: that Sonny has broken them is quite sad. Right, it 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: looks like his time for Plan B. Oh right, there's 90 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: a Plan B is there. It's just Plan A was 91 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: so brilliantly devised. I wouldn't have thought we'd need a 92 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: plant bee. Former Bachelor contestant and Adelaide makeup artist Leah 93 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Cummins has generated headlines by revealing she recently dated Olivia 94 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Rodgers's ex husband Justin mckinn and touted him as disappointing. Well, 95 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: can you imagine if you were him opening up the paper, 96 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: he would have been so pissed off because this is 97 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: quite embarrassing for everyone involved. It's embarrassing because when I 98 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: first saw the headline, I was like, oh my god, 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: is she talking about him being disappointing in bed? Or 100 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: well part of him is disappointing. Yeah. The whole article 101 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: was very sensationalized. It started off by saying that Leah 102 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: is happy to kiss and tell when it comes to 103 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: Olivia Molly Rodger's ex husband. And I didn't like how 104 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: they made Olivia the focus because this has nothing to 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: do with her. She wasn't with Justin when this happened. Yeah, 106 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: but of course she's the focus because she's making both 107 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: Leah Cummins and Justin relevant. Yeah, they're on her coattails 108 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: at the moment. I mean, this wouldn't have been an 109 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: article if he wasn't Olivia's ex hust yet. Yeah, I mean, 110 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: you've got to give it to the advertiser because they 111 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: did make a story out of nothing, because Leah told 112 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: the paper Justin wasn't who he made himself out to 113 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: be and said, unfortunately, I see the best in people 114 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: and it was disappointing when this was proved wrong. However, 115 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: they used that word disappointing to then generate the headline 116 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: I dated Olivia Rodgers' ex husband dot dot dot it 117 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: was disappointed. Yeah, I agree with you, Amy. There was 118 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: definitely a sexual connotation on there to try and make 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: people click on the article, and I think it would 120 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: have worked. I don't think Leah thought that Justin McKean 121 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: was going to be the focus of this article and 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: it was going to be quite as sensational as it 123 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: was because later in the article she spoke about how 124 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: she and her sister were attending a local radio station 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: singles party. See I think she was purposely putting digs 126 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: in there to make Justin look bad, because she did 127 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: say that her and her sister had recently been cheated 128 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: on at the same time, and then by Juxsap positioning 129 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: this with the fact that she did date Justin McKean, 130 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: it's like she's referring that he was the one that 131 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: cheated on her. You could be right, Kate, because a 132 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: couple of months ago we did a segment on the 133 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: fact that there was this developing love triangle between Justin McKean, 134 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Leah Cummins and also another Bachelor star, Tash Candae, so 135 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Leah and Justin were spotted in Melbourne together looking very cupply, 136 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: but not long after, Justin was spotted at the Team 137 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: Ellis boxing match with Tash. Now shortly after, Tash shared 138 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: a photo to her Instagram story of her and Justin 139 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: at the match, but she ended up putting a clown 140 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: emoji over his face and had the song player in 141 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: the background. Yeah, and Leah was also at the boxing 142 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: match as well as Tash, so they were all there together, 143 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: which makes it even weirder. Yes, So apparently at the 144 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: boxing match, it's since come out that despite the fact 145 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: he was there with Leah, he said to Tash, would 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: you consider dating me? Oh? Well, so this has all 147 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: been aired because in June, Leah actually appeared on the 148 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: So Dramatic podcast and she opened up about what actually 149 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: went down. So she revealed that she flew to Melbourne 150 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: twice to see Justin and she was under the impression 151 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: that they were dating. She didn't think they were official, 152 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: but she thought that it was going to lead somewhere 153 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: because she's an Adelaide girl. Yeah, and she said that 154 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: things took a turn when Justin saw something in the 155 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: news about them being an item and apparently it freaked 156 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: him out. And following these reports of their supposed relationship, 157 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: Meaghan Pisetto from So Dramatic reached out to Justin to 158 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: ask if they were an item and he responded saying 159 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: absolutely not. I'm looking forward to dating, but not with Leah, 160 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: and Leah said that it was this revelation that really 161 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: hit home, and she said that if they weren't dating, 162 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: what had they been doing. And this is actually where 163 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: Tash and Leah teamed up against Justin and they basically 164 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: traded notes about his poor behavior. Oh, this is such 165 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: bad pr for Justin. Yeah, and Tash ended up getting 166 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: proof that Justin had been two timing them, so she 167 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: sent him a message saying, hey, did you mean what 168 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: you said about dating me? And he said yeah, So 169 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: she then sent those greenshots to Leah. So after getting 170 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: shut down by Tash, Justin then tried to go back 171 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: to Leah acting like nothing had happened, and then that's 172 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: where Leah ended things with him. I mean, not to 173 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: stick up for Justin McKeon, but what are we expecting 174 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: after a public marriage breakdown after eight months? But of 175 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: course he's going to be playing the field. Don't pretend 176 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: that you're dating people. You can be upfront and say, look, 177 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: I've just had a marriage breakdown and this is just 178 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: what are you expecting. Of course he's going to be 179 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: emotionally started from the experience raising the women for him 180 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: being a two timing dickcas. She said herself she didn't 181 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: know if they were actually in a relationship. It seems 182 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: like it was one of those casual stages where you 183 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: don't really know what's going on. I don't think there 184 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: is an issue with people in the dating stage seeing 185 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: several other people. That is quite common. But where he 186 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: went wrong is dating one of her friends and co 187 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: stars from The Bachelor at the same event. Oh, I'm 188 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: not saying that what he did was right. In no 189 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: way am I saying that. I'm just saying, did we 190 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: really expect more from Justin mckinn. Well, clearly they did 191 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: and they were disappointed. Well, this saga is quite awkward 192 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: because ever since Olivia and Justin broke up, there's been 193 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: little whispers that maybe infidelity on Justin's part had something 194 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: to do with it. There is no proof so far, 195 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: but I don't think that this helps his case and 196 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: it is not a good look for him in the media. 197 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Would anyone be interested to see Justin on The Bachelor 198 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: because I would actually tune in channel ten if you're 199 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: listening well as I had him on as the main person. Yes, 200 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I would, because would you want him rewarded like that? No? 201 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: I would not want to see that at all. Well, 202 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: he's dating all these Bachelor contestants anyway, So I want 203 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: to put it on TV may as we have the 204 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: camera crew there. Maybe there could be a new show, 205 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: but they just call it The Player instead. I have 206 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: had enough with people trying to hold me accountable and 207 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: people online accountable for the mistakes that we make. On Tuesday, 208 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: we discussed how Sophie Casha's make up line Azuru, was 209 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: caught out for using stock images to promote its product, 210 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: and it appears Sophie was in damage control after our 211 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: podcast aired because she shared on her personal Instagram account 212 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: that Azuru was doing a giveaway. What interesting timing. Yeah, 213 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: but first she wanted something from her followers, so she 214 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: asked them to take part in what she called market 215 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: research for the makeup brand. So she quizzed her followers 216 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: about how often they use and war makeup, how much 217 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: they spend on products, their demographic information. She then announced 218 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: she would be choosing three people at random on Friday 219 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: to win two hundred dollars worth of a Zoo makeup 220 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: as well as two movie tickets, and the winners would 221 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: also be the first to try new products before the 222 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: general public. Wouldn't it be funny if the makeup giveaway 223 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: was actually all those dud lipsticks that they had to 224 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: throw out after that nosewiping incident. Well, that's the thing. 225 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I really want to be the 226 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: first person to try a product, because it almost sounds 227 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: like you're this guinea pig. Does the product work? I 228 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: mean again, I'm sure it has been trialed and tested 229 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: and everything else. I'm not saying that it hasn't, but 230 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: I don't really want to be the first person to 231 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: try some Yeah, this brand hasn't really got off to 232 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: a good start for sophi caation, and yeah, I don't 233 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: think I would want to be a guinea pig for it. 234 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: It also seemed like a desperate grab to get more 235 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: engagement on their Instagram account weekly because, as we reported 236 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: on Tuesday's episode, they did end up having to delete 237 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: about forty percent of the content on the page because 238 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: people are speculating that perhaps a lot of those other 239 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: images were stock images that have been taken from somewhere else. Yeah. Well, 240 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: so far, four thousand people have actually commented on Sophie's 241 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: post to enter the competition, so I'm assuming A zero 242 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: has got a big hit of followers. I don't know 243 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: how many they had before, but they've got fourteen point 244 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: nine thousand at the moment. I wonder how many of 245 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: them are actually repeat commentus. The thing that gets me 246 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: is that I think it's incredibly poor of Sophie not 247 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: to address this controversy on her own Instagram account. She's 248 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: clearly putting her head in the sand and pretending like 249 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. But I think when you run a brand, 250 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: you have to have accountability and actually talk to your 251 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: followers and your audience. She did last time and then 252 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: got in the shit over it, So maybe her approach 253 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: now is just to sweep things under the car. But 254 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: it's a pretty cheap approach, because what six hundred dollars 255 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: worth of makeup look to remind listeners. That's when she 256 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: responded to our segment about those botched lips sticks Amy, 257 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: and she said that I am so sick of people 258 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: asking me to take accountability for things. I think we 259 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: constantly use it as an upset on the podcast. I 260 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: love every time because every time we do a Sophi 261 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: Kesha topic that goes straight in there. It's in the 262 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: library bank of grabs, laugh Foster. I was in Bali 263 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: when that bit came on this use a cappuccino. I 264 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: asked for a decab cafe. Loved you and carpety kimberself. Now, 265 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: while I was in Bali, I was screaming at my 266 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: phone when you guys rather naively stated that Georgia Richards, 267 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: out of the goodness of her heart, gifted her followers 268 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars of Starbucks coffees. Can I point out 269 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: I did question Sophie. I said, I saw this and 270 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: I thought this was an AD, but Sophia assured me no, 271 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: there was no hashtag ads. I actually don't think this 272 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: is my fault. I think it's the fault of the 273 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: said influencer for not disclosing that this was an AD. Proper, 274 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: we're saying Georgia misled you. Oh I challenge you on that, SOVI. 275 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: Because this is an influencer podcast, we should always be 276 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: looking under the surface, not just taking on board what 277 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: they say. And also, you claim that you're a Georgia 278 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: Richards fan. If you're an OG, I wouldn't always have 279 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: a fan. Well an OG follower, you would know that 280 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Georgia worked at saraffatas is that you know that Brisbane 281 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: coffee shop. So if she was genuinely going to do 282 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: a coffee giveaway out of the goodness of her heart. 283 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: It would have been with them, not Starbucks. No, I'm sorry. 284 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: Like I've worked at different places before, and it doesn't 285 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: mean I love that particular product. I don't agree with 286 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: that either, Kate, because on her YouTube she is always 287 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: posting about going to Starbucks, and it seems quite genuine. 288 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: It seems like Starbucks is one of those aspirational brands 289 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: that she's always wanted to work with, So hence my confusion. Look, 290 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: so you can argue all you want, but you have 291 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: been proven wrong and I have great satisfaction from it. 292 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Several listeners sent this ad to me. So this week 293 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: Georgia posted an ad promoting Starbucks is at Home Range 294 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: and disclaimed it was in fact an ad. Yeah, exactly. 295 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: So hence my confusion again because the other promotion where 296 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: she said, here's two hundred dollars you guys buy a drink. 297 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: This is for my followers. That's why I was confused 298 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: because there was no ad disclosure. Maybe she felt like 299 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't an AD because she was giving away free coffee, 300 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: but it exactly my point. But it definitely was an ad. 301 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: It was definitely a part of his partnership with Starbucks. 302 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: She didn't pay for it, is what Kate says. But 303 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Starbucks are getting a lot of good promotion. 304 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about it now. It's making me feel like 305 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: a caramel frappuccino as we talk. This just reminded me 306 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: because last time we spoke about Starbucks, we explained that 307 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Adelaide doesn't even have a star but they used to. 308 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: They used to about ten years ago. But we have 309 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Gloria Jeans. That's our Starbucks. And a listener reached out 310 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: saying that they were so happy to hear Gloria Jeans 311 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: actually mentioned because she does the marketing for Gloria Jeans. 312 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: So shout out to Gloria Jeans. Yeah, they are really good, 313 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: very on par with Starbucks. I must say. Can't get 314 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: enough of Outspoken. If you're left wanting more each week, 315 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: then it might be time to subscribe to Outspoken Plus. 316 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: Outspoken Plus is our subscription offering that gives subscribers access 317 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: to a bonus episode every week. If you sign up now, 318 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: you can enjoy our that catalog already full of scandalous 319 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: influencer deep dives and behind the scenes conversations so juicy, 320 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: we've had to put them behind a paywall. Outspoken Plus 321 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: is available on both Apple Podcasts and Patreon. A monthly 322 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: subscription cost five ninety nine, or you can save with 323 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: our annual package for forty nine ninety nine a year. 324 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: That's less than one dollar per episode. And for those 325 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: who have already signed up to Outspoken Plus, we wanted 326 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: to say a big thank you. It means the world 327 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: to us that you're supporting our content and enjoying it. 328 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: It really helps us to invest more time into creating 329 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: content that you love. So thank you. M Davies has 330 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: announced she's pulling back from her clothing line Venom, hitting 331 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: pause on the business for the unforeseeable future now, so 332 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: is hitting pauses at the new term for just saying 333 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: we're closing down and we don't really want to talk 334 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: about it. I'm in two minds about this because em 335 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: did launch the Brown four years ago, and in this 336 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: goodbye message she mentioned the short term success that the 337 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: brand had had, so she said that they ended up 338 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: selling out a number of collections. However, I had a 339 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: lot at Venom's Instagram account, and it does appear that 340 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: they're flogging off a lot of their stock, so they 341 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: recently had a mini warehouse sale and since then they've 342 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: also been promoting to their followers come and buy out 343 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: under thirty dollars items and they even had sunglasses for 344 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: ten dollars now. Em did describe it as one of 345 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the toughest decisions that she's had to make, and she 346 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: actually didn't cite financial reasons for the closure. She explained 347 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: that the reality of a slow label is that you 348 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: have to become more caught up in the business side, 349 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: unless in the creative space, which is apparently what she enjoys. 350 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: And she did admit that it might not look like 351 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: the smartest business move to insiders, but her intuition is 352 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: telling her otherwise. I feel like this is quite similar 353 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: to what Britney Saunders has done, but in reverse. So 354 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: she has a very popular clothing line called Fate. She's 355 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: opened a couple of retail stores and is doing very 356 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: well for herself and has decided that it doesn't feel 357 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: genuine to her to do influencer promotions anymore. And with Em, 358 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: it seems like she actually doesn't want to do business, 359 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: like she didn't get into it to just run a 360 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: she wanted to maybe make the most of a following 361 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: and do a bit of fashion design well in saying that, 362 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: she actually has hinted at another business venture that's on 363 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the horizon, so she said it's not goodbye forever, and 364 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: that she'll be using her time to focus on Studio Precinct, 365 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: which is a new business, her personal brand, current projects 366 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: in the works, and to get excited for this new 367 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: business venture that's happening. So what is Studio Precinct. So 368 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: it is a new photography studio that she opened in 369 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: March that's in Perth and it's basically for instagrammers and 370 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: content creators so they can go and shoot their own 371 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: content there. It does seem a bit of a trend though, 372 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: because recently Brooke Hogan had to give up her brand Lemon. 373 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: She is pregnant, so I think that was part of 374 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: the reason. But she was always having issues with people 375 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: complaining about how expensive her items of clothing were. I 376 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: definitely do think it was for financial reasons. It's quite 377 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: ironic because with influencers, it's got to a stage where 378 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: we expect so much from them when they release a brand, 379 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: so they need to be size inclusive. It needs to 380 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: be made in Australia. It needs to be slow fashion. 381 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: I think that that's why we're seeing a lot of 382 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: these influencer brands shutting shop, because fast fashion brands aren't 383 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: getting that same sort of judgment. I also think that 384 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: people aren't buying from influencer brands as much anymore because one, 385 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of embarrassing to walk around with an influencer's 386 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: brand on you, because I feel like over the past 387 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: three years, even influencers have become sort of a bit 388 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: uncool to be wrapping their stuff. Do you think it's 389 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: also because once an influencer launches their own brand and 390 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: starts pushing that it's this slow fashion brand, they then 391 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: cut themselves off from doing very lucrative ads with fast 392 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: fashion brands. Yeah, because why would you want to work 393 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: with your competitors. I would never have just randomly said 394 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: I think lifts an old, lanky troll out of nowhere 395 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: to embarrassing. You're like, you've gone here, We've like Victorian reckons, 396 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: we're gone trying to give us. I think that you've 397 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: really embarrassed yourself. You should really be planning on having 398 00:18:52,040 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: kids instead of starting on children. Embarrassed why a child? 399 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: Don can you're waiting? It's monkey go away. You're waiting. 400 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: You'll never get married because no one likes you. Two 401 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: of Australia's most well known boyfriends of Instagram are having 402 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: a messy business dispute play out publicly. Tammy Hembro's former 403 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: fiance and baby daddy Matt Pool, has slammed Nicky Westcott's 404 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: fiance Ollie Frost, claiming he was squeezed out of his 405 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: steak in a popular restaurant, Kate, can you tell us more? Well? 406 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: Matt Paul is not happy with his former friend Ollie Frost, 407 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: and rightfully so. Back in twenty twenty, Matt invested thirty 408 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in a restaurant with Ollie and his business 409 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: partner Jonathan Eddings. The restaurant in question is Maman, which 410 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: has become known to be a bit of an influencer 411 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: hot spot so in October twenty twenty, the restaurant made 412 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: headlines when it launched, mostly thanks to address that Tammy 413 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: Hembro wore on opening night. Now, less than three years on, 414 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: the restaurant's original operating company is now one of four 415 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: in liquidator's hands. Now this isn't the first time Ollie 416 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: Frost and Jonathan Eddings companies have faced trouble. The pair 417 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: were the founders behind the defunct Grass and Green Music 418 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: Festival that went into administration late last year. Now, the 419 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: festival ended up owing more than three million dollars to artists, fans, 420 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: supplies and the tax office. And interestingly, an investigation found 421 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: that more than seven hundred thousand dollars in festival funds 422 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: were loaned to Ollie and Jonathan's restaurant companies, which have 423 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: never been paid back. Theman was found to be one 424 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: of the businesses which have been propped up by these 425 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: festival funds. Matt Pool has spoken to the Gold Coast 426 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: Bulletin about the matter. He said, I was a friend 427 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: of Ollie's and when he asked me to invest in 428 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: his business, I thought he would always act in the 429 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: best interests of the business and me as a friend. 430 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: It's really disappointing to see his clothes, maman bar and 431 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: kitchen and I have been squeezed out. I'm now a 432 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: retired athlete and a single dad, so it's pretty disappointing. 433 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: Could I have to buy in there? It's quite funny 434 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: that he describes himself as a single dad. I mean 435 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: tammybro has Posey a lot of the time as well. Well, 436 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: I suppose we don't know what his financial situation is. 437 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Just because his ex Tammy Hembro has a lot of money, 438 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean he does. I did see him 439 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: doing a paid ad for Bonds Baby with Posey in it, 440 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a bit strung. He did 441 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: get a bit of criticism for using Posey in the ad. 442 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: He went on to say in this interview with the 443 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Gold Coast Bulletin, I've tried multiple times to find out 444 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: from him how the business is going or where my 445 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: money is, but I never get a response to learn 446 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: about the music festival owing ticket holders and small businesses, 447 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: suppliers and artists a substantial amount of money, and to 448 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: now seem a man and other businesses in liquidation owing 449 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: more substantial debts. I find it concerning for Ollie to 450 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: be overseas on holidays living a very lavish lifestyle with 451 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: his fiance. Now. Ollie and Jonathan did not respond in 452 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: time to the Gold Coast Bulletin. Well, he's really pushing 453 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: the blame on Ollie, isn't he. Well, also bringing Nicki 454 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Wescott into it because, as we mentioned earlier, she is 455 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: his fiance and they got in Gay last August in 456 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Spain during a very lavish European holiday. They were also 457 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: recently in Bali in May on again another very extravagant holiday. 458 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: So it doesn't appear like Ollie is facing financial hardship 459 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: on his Instagram account, but we do know that Instagram 460 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: isn't really a true indicator of what's going on behind 461 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: the scenes. Well, I wonder if Nicky's footing the bill 462 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: for a lot of those trips. Well, funnily enough, on 463 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, Nicki posted dining at Meman and despite the 464 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: collapse of the company the owns Maman, the restaurant is 465 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: still operating as normal and taking bookings. And it's pretty 466 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: interesting because Olli and Jonathan have also opened up a 467 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: bunch of new companies with similar names, including one called 468 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: Maman Bar and Kitchen GC in May this year. I 469 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: can definitely see the frustration from Matt Paul. You've invested 470 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: in one bar and then you see Ollie and Jonathan 471 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: continuing to open up other companies with the same name. 472 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: How is it that they can keep opening up these 473 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: new companies when one old one's gone into liquidation. I've 474 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: read ACID can only disqualify individuals from managing corporations if 475 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: they are listed as a director and have been involved 476 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: with two or more companies that have gone into liquidation 477 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: within the last seven years. And that's where people get creative. 478 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: So Ollie's listed his mum as the sole director of 479 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: the company, and then he's gone and opened a new 480 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: company with Jonathan and listed Jonathan as the director. I 481 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: really would not want to be listed as the director 482 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: of one of these companies. Took my cupcake and I 483 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: was sat there and we were having a conversation, and 484 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I did this thing and it stopped the party. So 485 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: you take the top and you pull it apart and 486 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: then you flip it you like a like a whoopoo pie, 487 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: almost like you may get you to have a sandwich and 488 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: you don't get frosting up your knows. Before we get 489 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: into the next segment, we want to issue a quick 490 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: trigger warning as we do touch on issues relating to 491 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: eating disorders. A popular vegan influencer who allegedly only ate 492 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: exotic fruits for decades, has reportedly died of starvation thirty 493 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: nine year old Russian influencer Jana Samsonova described herself as 494 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: a vegan cook and a monofruitarian now. A monofruitarian is 495 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: when you follow a diet where you either only eat 496 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: one food item or one type of food, so in 497 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: her case, this was just fruit now. Janna cultivated a 498 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: following of twenty four thousand by sharing what she eats 499 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: as a raw vegan, her own recipes, and she even 500 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: sold virtual cooking classes. Now. She did move to Thailand 501 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: before touring Southeast Asia, where she was residing in Malaysia 502 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: at the time of her death, and sadly, news broke 503 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: in the media that she did reportedly pass away of starvation. 504 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: Her mother did tell the newspaper that she died from 505 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: a calaria like infection that was made worse by her 506 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: restrictive diet. I must point out, though, that her official 507 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: cause of death has not yet been revealed. It's really 508 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: sad because on the twenty first of July, Jana uploaded 509 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: her last TikTok video, and it was a video of 510 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: herself with the caption life is meaningless, but worth living 511 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: provided you recognize it's meaningless. Now. A lot of her 512 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: friends have spoken to the media and said that they 513 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: had concerns over her extreme style of veganism. One friend 514 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: said Xana's idle starvation was causing her to melt before 515 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: our eyes, but she believed everything was fine. Only her eyes, 516 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: merry eyes and gorgeous hair compensated for the dreadful sight 517 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: of a body tortured by idiocy. Forgive me if that 518 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: sounds harsh. Her neighbor also told the media I lived 519 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: one floor above her, and every day I feared finding 520 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: her lifeless body in the morning. I convinced her to 521 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: seek treatment, but she didn't make it. Another friend also 522 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: claimed that Xana refused to get medical attention before her 523 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: death and said she was bedbound and struggled to walk. 524 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: It's quite distressing to hear all that information, and from 525 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: a human perspective, you're obviously devastated for this poor woman 526 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: that was clearly struggling with this eating disorder. But then 527 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: you think about it. This is a woman that is 528 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: telling people online what to eat, going through step by 529 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: step guides. This is what I'm you should be following 530 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: the same diet. It adds an extra layer of sadness 531 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: to this whole story. I was really disturbed looking back 532 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: at her posts and also look at what she was 533 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: putting in her body. And I really hope that someone 534 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: does shut down this account or at least remove a 535 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: lot of her advice regarding food because it's just so dangerous. 536 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to go into some of the 537 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: meals that she was eating, but it was just so 538 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: clear that this woman was suffering from a very extreme 539 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: eating disorder. And isn't that disturbing that there really are 540 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: no rules around people sharing this type of content on 541 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: social media. The scary thing is I've a lot of 542 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: her devoted followers are refusing to believe that her eating 543 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: choices led to her death. There instead claiming that she 544 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: was most likely killed by chemicals in the fruit that 545 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: she ate. And it's really sad to see that community 546 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: not taking ownership over what's actually gone. I feel like 547 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: they're in a little bit of denial, but I think 548 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: it's probably because they're trying to defend veganism. It does 549 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: get a bad rap in the media. I mean, when 550 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: you see the headline saying that a vegan influence once 551 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: has died of starvation, it's not like they're actually saying, well, 552 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: it's an extreme vegan diet. Yeah, that's the thing, because 553 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: what Zanna was doing was an extreme form of veganism 554 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: where she was only eating fruit. She was a fruitarian, 555 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: so and it was only two types of fruit. I 556 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: think towards the end, well, it was durian, which I 557 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: found really interesting because that is a fruit very well 558 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: known in Malaysia because it has a very distinct smell. 559 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: Well that she's not kind of firm, that's what some 560 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: people believe. Yeah, that fruit's not even allowed in hotels. 561 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: And this is what often happens though, is that people 562 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: will get on a very restricted diet like this and 563 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: they'll become orthorexic. So that's when they fear other types 564 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: of food. Well, what's even more disturbing is that her 565 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: friends say for six years she didn't consume any water, 566 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: that she instead drank the juices from fruits that she'd 567 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: squeezed or from carrots, and that is shocking. This is 568 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: just such a sad story, and I think it has 569 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: highlighted that so much more needs to be done in 570 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: terms of making it illegal for people to promote these 571 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: top diet culture and dangerous ways of eating, because it 572 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: needs to be some moderation, because how can this person 573 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: go on this platform. I mean, you just saw photos 574 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: of her and saw how unhealthy she was, and this 575 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: person is pushing out this diet that is clearly not 576 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: good for her and not good for anyone involved. And 577 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: the scary thing is that they're also forming this connection 578 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: with their followers. Is this little community who were all 579 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: encouraging one another to eat this way, and that you're 580 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: only speaking to like minded people and you think that 581 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: your way is the only way. And there's all these 582 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: rules around porting on suicide that we learn at UNI, 583 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: and it carries through onto social media. I feel like 584 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: social media platforms are very quick to flag things around 585 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: suicide or around death. Like I remember there was some 586 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: shootings that they quickly took down, thank goodness, But why 587 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: are we not the same when it comes to diet. 588 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: This is very dangerous information to have out there. But 589 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: I also think that there's all these new rules regarding 590 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: sponsorships online and I think we really need to start 591 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: the ball rolling when it comes to un qualified people 592 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: either giving up medical advice or advice on food and exercise. Well, 593 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 594 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: you so much, for joining us for another episode about Spoken. 595 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to finally be back joining in on 596 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: all these conversations with you guys. This podcast was recorded 597 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 598 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present 599 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: and if you did like the podcast, please leave us 600 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: a five star review and don't forget to sign up 601 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: to Outspoken Plus.