1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Last time I had my friend Lisa Lyong on How 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: I Work, we were about as nerdy as you'd expect. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: We talked color coded calendars, collaboration manuals, and broke down 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Lisa's somewhat extreme morning routine. But it wasn't enough nerdiness, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: so I've asked her back. Now. If you don't know Lisa, 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: you perhaps might have heard her as the host of 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Sundays on ABC Radio Melbourne, or maybe you've listened to 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: This Working Life on ABC Radio National, and perhaps you've 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: seen her on her regular appearances on ABC Breakfast TV. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: For Lisa, every day is lab day, and that includes 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: her days off, so you won't be surprised to know 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: she's as much as a health nerd as she is 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: a work nerd. Today, we dive even deeper into Lisa's 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: new and improved morning routine. We cover some of the 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: more unusual gadgets and tools that she uses on a 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: daily basis, and we go right back to the start 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: of Lisa's experimental health journey. My name is doctor Amantha Imber. 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist and founder of behavior change consultancy Inventium, 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: and this is how I work. A show about how 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: to help you get so much more out of the 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: hours in your day. For the next few weeks, I 22 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: am deep diving into my guests habits and rituals around health. 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: We will be covering physical health, mental health, and emotional health. 24 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: And in case she didn't know, my new book, The 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Health Habit has just hit bookshelves in Australia. If you 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: are stuck in a cycle of unhealthy habits, then the 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Health Habit will help you design a personalized, science backed 28 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: plan to change your habits for good. Now onto my 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: chat with Lisa, which starts with an event that happened 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: about a decade ago that completely changed her perspective on 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: her health. 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: So I was actually doing a lot of trithlon and 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: I was an executive and I'd been posted to Asia, 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: and so I was really flying around a lot. 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I had a high powered job. 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 2: I knew it was high powered because I had lots 37 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: of emails and lots of meetings. 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: That's why I was high powered. You must have been 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: very important. I was very important then, was this? Yeah? 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So that was probably twenty twelve, so a decade ago. 41 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: And then at the time I thought work life balance 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: was I was trained for an Olympic distance trithlon. So 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: at the same time, I was running, and I was 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: cycling and swimming, and I think because I run, you 45 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: know pretty quickly, you know what I mean, like high energy. 46 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: I think doing high energy activities really was too much 47 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: adrenaline and cortisol. Now the what happened. What happened was 48 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: I was working really hard, but every so often I 49 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: would get this chest infection, and you know, I just 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: thought it was just part of life. And I would 51 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: get this recurring chest infection, so I would go on steroids, 52 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: antibiotics and all sorts of things, which I slowly started 53 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: relying on Amantha. So I would just keep on working, 54 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: and then suddenly I would get this chest infection bronchitis, 55 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 2: and I would just keep on going. But I would 56 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: just take lots of drugs basically. And then one day 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I took a holiday and I basically fell over. It 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: was like too much, and I found out that I 59 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: had shingles. You've heard of shingles. 60 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I have, so what are shingles exactly? 61 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I thought it was like a medieval disease 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: because it sounds really ancient. But it's like this rash 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: that apparently comes from the same type as chicken pox, 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: and it's a virus and it gets into you and 65 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: then it turns into this rash and then after that 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: some people get post to pedic neuralgia, which is well. 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: The GP said to me, whatever you do, Lisa, don't 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: google it. So I went home and I googled it. 69 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why he said, don't google it. 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: It's because some people never recover from it. It is 71 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: secondary nerve damage, a nerve pain that was so intense 72 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: that I would cry out whenever, like the wind would 73 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: brush my clothing against the side of me. I couldn't 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: hug my daughter, I couldn't hug my husband. I was bedridden, 75 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: and I remember weeping because I read these stories saying 76 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: some people never go back to work. I was on 77 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: seven painkillers a day, different types. 78 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: Right, and how long were you in that state? 79 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: For a couple of months, and so I was, you know, 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: once ago, I was bedridden and I thought, this is it. 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: I've really stuffed up. And I don't know why, because 82 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when you get this chea 83 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: list of things that you're supposed to do, you know, 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: you get the job and husband and a daughter, and 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: you know, I was training hard, and I thought I 86 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: was doing all the right things, but actually there was 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: something missing, and it was this idea of being fit 88 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: but unhealthy. So there were heaps of things that I 89 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: had to then do to re design Myselfmantha. 90 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: So was there a moment in that two month period 91 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: that just sounds like a nightmare where something switched within 92 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: you and you thought I need to change. 93 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the intervention of a friend. So my 94 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: friend Tristan. He had been banging on about mindfulness for 95 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: so many years, and I'd said, Tristan, and I have 96 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: time for that, and why would I stop. I've got 97 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: so many things to do, why would I stop? But 98 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: I was so desperate, Amantha, that I basically signed up 99 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: for John kabat Sin's program. It's a twelve week program 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: and it's called Mindfulness for Stress Reduction. He went into 101 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: hospitals and he started looking at supplementing and complementing normal 102 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: Western medicine. But with this tradition of meditation and mindfulness. 103 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: And remember back in the day, it was not a 104 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: cool thing to do, to be honest, it was a 105 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: bit woo woo, and people didn't understand that you know 106 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: what we know about science now and so at the 107 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: time it was still not that popular. But I signed 108 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: up for this program. It was really hard, especially for me. 109 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: It was super hard, and but what I learned was 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: pretty transformational for me. So the first thing was informal mindfulness, 111 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: so just every so often just being really present in 112 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: the moment and being in a non judgmental state. My 113 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: team members said that I was much nicer. My brother 114 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: said it, I was much nicer as well. And the 115 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: reason why I was nicer was that I used to 116 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: be so busy that when team members were talking to me, 117 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: I was multitasking. I was thinking about other things. Sometimes 118 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: I would send them emails and they would receive the 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: email even though they were talking. 120 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: To me in percenter. Wow right. 121 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: And so just this change in my outlook about being 122 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: in my body in the present moment and being truly 123 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: present with people, and it also helped me with my 124 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: client relationships as well. And so that started me on 125 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: a journey of understanding my body a bit more. And 126 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: then that's when I started working with this incredible GP 127 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: when I came back to Australia. 128 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: How did you actually put that into practice and change 129 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: those really embedded habits to go from being distracted and 130 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: multitasking and feeling like you have to do a million 131 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: and one things at the same time to being genuinely 132 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: one hundred percent present. 133 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: What's really interesting about that mindfulness practice is there's the 134 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: formal part, and that's whether you do, you know, half 135 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 2: an hour in the morning of mindfulness, which I still 136 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: struggle with, to be honest, And we can talk about 137 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: how I do more of a body practice rather than 138 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: a sitting down mindfulness practice. I kept on falling asleep, 139 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: to be honest. But the informal mindfulness, you know, you 140 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: were talking about my presence when I'm you know, one 141 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent with you. So that became just a daily practice, 142 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: just like going to the gym, of just paying attention, 143 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: paying attention to, oh, where is my mind right now? 144 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: And how might I be present? And the reason why 145 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Tristan had suggested by the way doing this mindfulness was 146 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: not even just about being present in the moment moment. 147 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: It's that it can actually help you with pain because 148 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: often our thoughts about the pain add on top of 149 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: the pain. So you've got the pain, which is the 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: physical sensation, and then you've got the pain that you 151 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: create in your head around the pain, and so just 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: even I now pay attention to my thoughts and feelings 153 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: around things, and that's part of the presence that I use. 154 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: I think, whether it be at work or being with friends, 155 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: and I think just letting go so there's no outcome 156 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: that I need from this moment. It's just I'm in 157 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: the moment, and that helps. 158 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: Have you got any mantras or self talk that tends 159 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: to be repetitive to help ground you in the moment 160 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: or bring you back when you find your mind flying 161 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: off in another direction. 162 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: I think I use my breath a lot. So different 163 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: people have different anchors, and sometimes people don't like using 164 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: the breath, but for me, it's readily accessible in terms of, oh, yes, 165 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: I'll just think about my breathing, even if it's just 166 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: for one second. I'll go back to my breath. I'll 167 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: often find, especially in stressful situations, that my breath is 168 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: way shallower or I'm not breathing right. So I think, oh, wow, 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: I've just noticed I'm not breathing. I'm obviously getting angry. Yeah, 170 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: and I'll go back and I'll just take a deeper breath, 171 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: and you know, do those long breaths out and then 172 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: I realize, oh, I've actually come back to myself. 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: Ah. I like that. I try to do that myself. 174 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: I've had Christian o'connellin a couple of times and so 175 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: into breath works he is. He taught me a couple 176 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: of exercises and I can so relate to that. I've 177 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: had such a stressful month the last month, and I 178 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,479 Speaker 1: like part of me feels like I'm in this constant 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: stat of sort. 180 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: Of flight, the hyper vigilance, say exactly, you know when 181 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: you're stuck in your head and sometimes I describe it 182 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: as a brain on a stick, and I feel trapped 183 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: in my mind and that's when I know, okay, I 184 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: need to go back into my body and realize that 185 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: I have a body and I'm not a brain on 186 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: a stick, because it's quite dangerous actually when you become 187 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: disconnected from your body. And so I do try and 188 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: get back into it. And yeah, breath work is one way. 189 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: Some people also have a yoga practice. It's any practice 190 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: that reminds you I have a body. 191 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Which is so obvious but so powerful. Now I know 192 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: that since everything that happened in twenty twelve, You've gone 193 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: down some pretty extreme bio hacking go you have, you have, 194 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: and so I'm really keen to understand where are you 195 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: at now currently, what are your current rituals and practices, 196 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: whether they be what you do in the morning, evening, 197 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: or during the day, that are really working for you. 198 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: So, yes, I am a biohacker, and I think it's 199 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: because I did science and law at Union. I've always 200 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: been fascinated with scientific method and experimentation, and so I 201 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: have a bit of that mindset. Every day's lab day 202 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: with my own body. So I've become fascinated with biohacking 203 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: and tweaking things. Now there's extreme. So I have tried 204 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: cryotherapy where you go into a very very cold chamber 205 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: for three minutes. How cold I think it's like minus 206 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty degrees celsius. 207 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: WHOA, Okay, so this is not just an ice bar, No, 208 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: this is pretty extreme, and you're trying to expose your 209 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: skin as well, so you kind of it's like being 210 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: on the top of a mountain with you know, like 211 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: a snowy mountain, but you've got no clothes on. 212 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: That's how cold it is. It is cold, and when 213 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: you come out. Of course you feel elated, mainly because 214 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: you're but do you know what all that cold therapy, 215 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: what I realized was, you know, especially with biohacking, just 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: do what feels good for your body. Because cold therapy, 217 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: even though it's super on trend right now, is not 218 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: good for my body. So I tend to play more 219 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: with infrared saunas and light therapy like my red light 220 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: therapy that I use every morning to get over seasonal 221 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: effective disorder. So they're the bio hacks that have been 222 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: successful for me. But I wanted to describe my morning routine. Yes, 223 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: plus okay, so Show and Tell I brought with. 224 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Me my weekly Good Habits No pad. It's great and 225 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: so especially this is because this is a podcast, not 226 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: a visual medium. But I love that you've done Show 227 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: and Tell even though you are a radio presenter and 228 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: you're very familiar with the audio radio with pictures. So 229 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: we've got a notepad that looks like it's like yeah, 230 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: and it says weekly good habits, and then every road 231 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: is a different habit, and then you've written in that 232 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: you've written in, and then you've got the days of 233 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: the week across the top is different and been ticking 234 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: them off. Yeah, okay, so talk me through all these 235 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: habits that you're ticking off every day. 236 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: So these habits are ones that I'm trying out at 237 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: the moments that they do change. That's why I quite 238 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: like having the notepad. And hilariously, when we're in COVID 239 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: and in lockdown, they got so long that it used 240 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: to take me ten hours to do my morning routine. 241 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: But I have. 242 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: Whittled them down. But it's still a full pad, isn't it. 243 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: So for example, my first habit in the morning, the 244 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: very first thing I do is I go into the 245 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: kitchen and I create a lemon water and I drink 246 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: my So it's like a warm, lukewarm water with lemon 247 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: juice in it. 248 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: And why are you doing that? 249 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: I do that because I'm thirsty and the lemon is there, 250 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: because it's it just feels like I'm cleansing my body. Yeah, 251 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: So I've been doing that, and then I've got something 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: called this is a little bit hilarious, it's called zen Kitchen. 253 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: I clean up the kitchen, clean up the kitchen. Yees, 254 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: So I empty the dishwasher. And that's for my husband, Darcy, 255 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: because he is an ax of service person. And so 256 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: I don't do a lot at home, and so I 257 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: did sing. 258 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: That's Darcy's love language, and so he appreciates when you 259 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: do yes, good acts. Yes the require time. 260 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: And because I was not doing anything at home, at 261 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: one point, I was called the Ministry of Fun. And 262 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: then he said one day, well, the Ministry of Fun, 263 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: please empty the dishwasher. So then I thought, you know what, 264 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: I can empty the dishwasher every morning, and I call. 265 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: It zen Kitchen, like the Ministry of cleaning. 266 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's zend Kitchen. That's number two because if 267 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: I don't do it, if I don't do it, second, 268 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: I won't do it at all. And then number three. 269 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: I won't go through all of them, but I'll just 270 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 2: give you the like. 271 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: The top five. Okay, bulletproof coffee. Have you heard of that? 272 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: I tried bulletproof coffee. But for those that are unfamiliar, 273 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: can you explain what is in a bulletproof coffee? Okay? 274 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: The original bulletproof coffee has butter coffee and some mct ls, 275 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: so it's like a coconut oil, and then you blend 276 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: it together. 277 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: And quite large quantities because we're talking about a tablespoon 278 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: of butter, a tablespoon of MCT oil, and then the 279 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: rest of black coffee. 280 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I do ghee now, and I do just a 281 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: teaspoon of gee gee just because I'm lactose intolerant as well, 282 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: so I sort of but I sort of moved from that. 283 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: But it tastes like an amazing cup of coffee. 284 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I agree. So I used to do bulletproof coffee, but 285 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: what I found through blood testing pretty regularly is that 286 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: it's very high levels of saturated fat. And my body 287 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: is one that my cholesterol goes through the roof if 288 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: I have even moderate amounts of saturated fat, which is 289 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: something I've just had to learn, I'll regularly check my cholesterol. 290 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: So bulletproof coffee good for some, good for some, but 291 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: not for everyone. 292 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: So what do you say the benefits? So for me, 293 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: often with coffee, you know how you get the rush 294 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: and then sometimes you get a mini crash, which then 295 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: means that you might feel like a mid morning muffin 296 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: or something sweet. And so what I find for me 297 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: is that it evens out the energy that you get 298 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: and the focus. And I definitely notice the focus. At 299 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: that point, I'm pretty supercharged because I've had my lem 300 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: and water, I've had a zen kitchens, so everything's looking nice, 301 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: and my bulletproof coffee. 302 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: And then. 303 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to share something weird that I don't share 304 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: with everyone. But I have a pemph mat. What's that 305 00:17:52,680 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 2: pulsed electro magnetic frequency MATT? And so it's it's looking 306 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: at our bodies. So we are chemical and we're also 307 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: energetic our bodies, and so it basically pulse electromagnetic frequency 308 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: through my body and is there can you see me 309 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: pulsing in front of you? 310 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: That's why tell me what like what research there is 311 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: around this? 312 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: So if you look at the books, it's kind of 313 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: like people who think about grounding and the Earth's magnetic 314 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: resonance as well. So it looks at each of our 315 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: cells as being a sort of magnetic charge and the 316 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: fact that you can charge every body. And this is 317 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: kind of why I don't tell people about it, but 318 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: some practitioners use it, so usually it's something that practitioners have. 319 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: I just happen to have my own pimphmat. And that's 320 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: another reason why I don't share a lot with people, 321 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: because most of the things I do are low cost, 322 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: except for that. 323 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: One, okay, and so I'm imagining I use it. 324 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: To sleep as well. It actually helps my brain waves 325 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: relax at the end of the day. 326 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: Really, so is this like how big is this match? 327 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: And are you just like lying on the ground on 328 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: the mat. 329 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm doing. I'm lying there and in 330 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: the mornings, I sort of do it to activate myself. 331 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: So I've got my thorough gun out at the same time, 332 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: and I'm doing using my Thera gun on my muscles. Oh, 333 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm sounding so weird. I can't believe you've got me 334 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: to do this. 335 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: For those that don't know, e thera gun is like, 336 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: how do you describe it? 337 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: It's like a muscle, Yeah, muscle pulsa. So it's got 338 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: like a little rubber gun and it. 339 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: Goes in and out and in and out like yeah, 340 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: a great force. So that do you use it. I've 341 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: got a theory gun. I don't use the brand Thera gun, 342 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: but I do. We've actually got a couple of lower 343 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: cost equivalents get home that my partner and I use. 344 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: So I use that for my calves and just my 345 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: legs in the morning. And then the last thing that 346 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: I do well of this, I basically do ten things. 347 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: But this is the fifth and final one that I'm 348 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: going to share with you. Is a practice called four 349 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: Golden Wheels, and that is part of my chigung practice. 350 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: So Chigung is like a cousin of tai chi. I 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: mentioned that I find it hard to do meditation sitting 352 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: down cross legged, so this is a practice that I 353 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: do to basically stretch my body and get myself back 354 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: into my body. I've been doing that since June. I 355 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: used to do tai chi, but now I'm doing chigung, 356 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: and I have noticeably made a difference to my headspace 357 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: I feel as a result of this. 358 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: I remember you telling me after it because you'd gone 359 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: to America didn from a master yes practitioner, and I 360 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: remember you saying when we caught up after that, that 361 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: people close to you in your life, your family, have 362 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: noticed a different it's in just how like your personality 363 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: all the most. 364 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, I think I've lost my joy. Actually, 365 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year, and sometimes, you know, 366 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: I spoke about being stuck in our heads. I knew 367 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: I was stuck, but I felt like a prisoner. I 368 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: could not get out, and I was really stressed and 369 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: I was feeling really sort of. I was moping around 370 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: and not myself and I couldn't buy a. 371 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: Hack my way out, Evantha. I really tried. 372 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: I tried everything, and I was stuck. And there I 373 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: read this book and it was in January about a 374 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: guy called Robert Ping. Now he's an Australian citizen actually, 375 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: so what happened was Robert Pean. I was in China 376 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: and former Prime Minister Bob Hawk happened to be visiting 377 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: as a diplomat and got injured, and so Robert Peng 378 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: sort of helped him, and Bob Hawk was so amazed. 379 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: He said, actually, my daughter, Susan, she's been sick for 380 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: seven years, bedridden, kind of like my story bedridden. Can 381 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: you help? So he flew Susan all the way to 382 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: Robert Ping in China. Robert pen worked with her for 383 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: six months and basically she was able to walk again 384 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: and get her life back. She flew back to Sydney 385 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 2: and not only was she healed, but she looked younger, 386 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: and so all her friends thought amazing, and Women's Weekly 387 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: did a story on Robert Peng and the fact that 388 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: Susan Hawk looked younger and so he became super popular. 389 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: They flew him out to Australia and he lived in 390 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: Australia for a long time and taught chigong in Australia. 391 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: But unfortunately I missed that because he went to New 392 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 2: York and so I decided there and then and this 393 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: is part of my you know, sometimes I do these things. 394 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: I thought, I feel like I need to go to 395 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: the US to spend ten days learning chigong from Robert Peng, 396 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: and I did. And do you know what? 397 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: It was? 398 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: In the middle of the week. Anthor and I had 399 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: been walking through this flower garden to get to the 400 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: chigong hall every single day, and on that day, it 401 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: was a Wednesday, I saw this cuteb dancing on in 402 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: between these flowers. And then I realized, I'm back because 403 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 2: I noticed. 404 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: We will be back soon with Lisa talking about how 405 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: she sets goals for her health based on working backwards 406 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: on what she would physically like to be able to 407 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: do and achieve when she is one hundred. If you're 408 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: looking for more tips to improve the way you work 409 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: and live, I write a weekly newsletter where I share 410 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: practical and simple to apply tips to improve your life. 411 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: You can sign up for that at Amantha dot substack 412 00:23:52,320 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Amantha dot substack dot com your morning routine. 413 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: How long does this all take? 414 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: So I only just finished to come here this morning. 415 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: I had just start at three am to get to 416 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: you today. About that, No, I'm thinking it probably takes 417 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: around an hour. I didn't get through everything this morning. 418 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: So I also try and hold it lightly. So you know, 419 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: that's why I write it every week because sometimes I 420 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: change it. I will only put something else in, and 421 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: if I substitute out something, so sub out something. So 422 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing to really keep track. And I 423 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: really like ticking it. It makes me feel happy. It's 424 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: the dopamine I think of ticking it. So so, yeah, 425 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: that's what I do. But there's always a real purpose 426 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: to it. And so I wanted to talk a little 427 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: bit about goals or you know, mindset around why we 428 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: do these things. And we both read Dr Peter Tears 429 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: book outliveh Yeah, on longevity. So it's basically thinking about 430 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: when you're one hundred, what are the ten most important 431 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: physical tasks you want to do for the rest of 432 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: your life. 433 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: Don't you love that? Oh? I love that? Yeah, I 434 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: have it. I haven't actually sat down and written it out. No, 435 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I should. 436 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: Should I go through one really quickly. I'd love you too, Okay. 437 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: So it's things like hike twenty kilometers a day on 438 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: a hilly trail carrying a five kilogram. 439 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: Bag when you're one hundred Yeah. 440 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, because I like hiking Ruvy cycle on Saturdays 441 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: with the Trihards on my smart bike. So Ruby is 442 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: a particular it's a virtual riding program, but it has 443 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: footage from all over the world. 444 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: Now I had you in here as well. 445 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, table tennis with Amantha and Darcy. Yeah, 446 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: because you know what I mean, because you've got to 447 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: have hand eye for that. So what you do with 448 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: those examples then is you then look at those and say, 449 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: for me to be able to hike twenty kilometers a 450 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: day on a hilly trail, what are the things that 451 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 2: I'm doing now to help me with that, or if 452 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to cycle or play table tennis, what are 453 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: the things that would help me? And that's how I 454 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: build out my morning routine and the things that I'm 455 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: doing during the day is with those goals in mind. 456 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: That's so cool. I want to come back to the 457 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: infrared therapy. Yes, that you are doing, because this is 458 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: something that I have tried a little bit. So I've 459 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: gone to infrareds yes, and done like about thirty minutes 460 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: and I think about seventy degrees sixty five seventy degrees 461 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: so quite hot. Yes, But then I haven't done that 462 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: for ages. I think like I was going because my 463 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: partner was quite interested in it for coming a vascular health. 464 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: But then like a lot of the research that's been 465 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: done has been on like proper saunas in inverted commas 466 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: that they have over in Nordic countries, for example, which 467 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: is quite different. Infrared a lot hotter. I think, yeah, 468 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: they are a lot hotter. So I'm curious as to 469 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: what your experimentation has been and what you have found. 470 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: So I started doing this for jet lag and there 471 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: was a place where you could do hyperbaric oxygen and 472 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: then you do infrared sauna afterwards. 473 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: And can you explain what hyperbaric oxygen is? 474 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're under pressure. It's like a pressurized cabin and 475 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: then you've got all this oxygen being pumped into a mask, 476 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: and yeah, do it feels good? And then and then 477 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 2: I did the infrared sauna afterwards. And it was at 478 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: a place where there were a lot of flight attendants 479 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: and elite sports people like footballers coming into there to 480 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: do this. And the flight attendants were doing it for 481 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: jet lag, and the footballers were doing it for general health. 482 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: And then there was me. 483 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: At what place was this? It's now shut down. 484 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: So it was a place in Maulven that I'd found 485 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 2: and they were amazing, but I think it was even 486 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 2: before COVID, but then they shut down, and it was 487 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: I absolutely used it for jet lag because I was 488 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: flying every week internationally, so whether it be to the 489 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: US or to New Zealand, and it was really bonkers 490 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: on my body, but it was helping me basically stay vaguely, 491 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: you know, in my body. And so I was really 492 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: sad when they shut down. And so since then, I've 493 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: basically tried hyperbaric by itself and then I've been doing 494 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: infra red by itself. I think it was the combo 495 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: that was really working for me, and I've stopped doing 496 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: hyperbaric oxygen chamber because I'm finding it hard to lie 497 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: down for one hour and not do anything one hour. Yeah, 498 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: and that the one that I was doing doing through 499 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: a medical center, so it's totally supervised because it can 500 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: be really dangerous. It's supervised, but they need you to 501 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: be there for an hour, and then also you have 502 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: to do a series of them. And I'm way too 503 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: fiddly to life for an hour, so. 504 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: I've stopped doing it. 505 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: But the inf red sauna, I do it every so often, 506 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: and I definitely notice the benefits. I come out feeling 507 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: like there's a bit of a reset button that's happened, 508 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: and I feel clarity in my mind, and my skin 509 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: does feel better. 510 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I must say one of the biggest benefits I 511 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: found was it was just such a good state change, 512 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: particularly at the end of a hard or a stressful 513 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: or exhausting workday. I found spending thirty minutes in an 514 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: infrared sauna made my body state do a one eighty 515 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: oh and just go to being completely relaxed. 516 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it is really relaxing, isn't it. Something about that 517 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: extreme heat and I like it. I can't do normal saunas, 518 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, the ones with heated rocks, and I can't breathe, 519 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: whereas something about the infrared saunas, I think because they 520 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: sort of go into your deep into your cells. I 521 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: find it soothing, so it sounds similar. I mean, I 522 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: wish I had one in my house. I'd throw you 523 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: do it every day? 524 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Didjitz also say that you've got a light that sits 525 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: on your desk? 526 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: Yes? 527 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: Can you tell me about that? 528 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: Yes? Have you heard of the jew lights JOVV through you? 529 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: I have, yes, Jeeve. 530 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: So these are both infrared and red lights that people 531 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: use predominantly in the morning for ten minutes. So just 532 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: like you would get sunlight on your face in the mornings, 533 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: it's kind of that and I definitely use it in 534 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: the depths of winter in Melbourne in the mornings, just 535 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: to give me that beautiful soft feeling of light on 536 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: your face in the morning. People use the full body version, 537 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: but I've only got the little one that sits on 538 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: my desk, so I haven't invested in the full body one. 539 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: But you can use that and it kind of works 540 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: the same way as an infred sauna. So it's about 541 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: the sort of cellular and energy and infrared in your body. 542 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: So and then once again it's what works for your body. 543 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: And for me, I have found that the heat and 544 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: light works way better for me than cold therapy. Whim 545 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: Hoff breathing and that sort of stuff didn't really work. 546 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just chicken. 547 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: I was too cold, don't think so. So we've talked 548 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: about so many different health experiments and biohacking activities that 549 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: you've done. If you were forced to just like scrap 550 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: them all except for two or three, what would you 551 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: absolutely keep? 552 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: And that's nearly where I've got to this year, actually, Amantha. 553 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: Having gone through all of the biohacks with the technology 554 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: and the gadgets, I have been trying to pair it 555 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: back actually to the essence, because that's the most important part, 556 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 2: and also just being able to do it easily, you know, 557 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: and be in a flow state. So for me, my 558 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: primary practice is the chigun and that will happen over 559 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: and above everything else, and that's because it does integrate 560 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: into my body and it feels as natural as possible. 561 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: And I think that's where I'm getting to, is where 562 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: can I go which is as natural as possible. So 563 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: even going back to what food am I putting into 564 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: my body and what content am I putting into my body? 565 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: That's part of this as well, and going back to 566 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: natural I think, and not meddling too much because I 567 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: have noticed that when I meddle. You know, other things happen, 568 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: don't they, You know, when you're intervene too much. 569 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, Lisa, It's been so fun chat all things 570 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: hell so manicularly nerdy health. So thank you so much 571 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: for sharing everything that you're doing. I feel like there's 572 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: a wealth of things for people to go try out. 573 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think just. 574 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: Always think about yourself first in terms of trying things. 575 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: And I'm certainly not endorsing or suggesting that anyone try 576 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: any of the wacky things that I do. And also 577 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: maybe research more than me, because I think tend to 578 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: just try things and go, oh, well, did it hurt me? 579 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: Or is it okay? 580 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: So do what Amantha does and do your research properly. 581 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to How I Work. 582 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: If you want to connect with Lisa, search for Lisa 583 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: Leong on the Socials and check out her podcast This 584 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: Working Life, which is also a great book too. 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