1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: On today's show, Matt Paul takes another swipe at Ollie Frost. 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa hard launches her new boyfriend as she binds 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: this controversial view on cheating and what are your rights 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to getting a nightmare haircut? Hello, and 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Abe Torba 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: and people who are working from home and taking the 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: piss need to take notice because this week it was 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: reported that an Australian woman was fired after being caught 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: out not doing enough work from home, so her work 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: went to the extreme length of putting a key stroke 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: monitoring device on her computer. What do you guys think? Look, 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying we're not accusing 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: any of our listeners for bludging whilst they're working from home, 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: because that's what I hate. I hate that it's implied 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: that if you work from home, you're not doing anything, 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: because there's so many people who are doing the right thing. 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: But in this case, I actually don't have much sympathy 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: for this woman because she's clearly been caught out taking 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: a piss and ruining it. For other people. I do 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit unfair that they tracked her 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: computer because it really should be based on your output. 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if the woman isn't doing enough work, surely 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: her employees should talk to her rather than basically stalking her. 25 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: But it's not stalking her. I actually think it's really clever. 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: You can always tell that a lot of officers will 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: set up a morning meeting to make sure that their 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: staff are actually awaken of doing stuff he're working for. 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: But that doesn't do anything. That just means that people 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: are available on the zoom and then they could literally 31 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: close their computer lid and fuck off for the rest 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: of the day. The keystroke monitoring, yeah, but at least 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: it means you know, they're at their house, they're away. 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: But the thing is, it depends what job you're doing. 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: But the keystroke monitoring might not even reflect like this 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: woman worked for an insurance company. Was she on the phones? Like? 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Did she need to be typing? So apparently a lot 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: of her job was typing stuff, so they were able 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: to identify that she wasn't doing her work. I am 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: in two minds about the working from home situation because 41 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: as someone who runs a small business. I would feel 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: really nervous employing someone knowing that they're not in the 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: office with me. I can't see what they're doing, particularly 44 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: if there's someone new, But I don't know if you 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: can trust them. Yeah. But the thing is from having 46 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: an office job, it is so easy to not be 47 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: doing your work and be on social media during when 48 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: you're in the office. Yeah, people can bludge when they're 49 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: in the office as well, because you just literally look 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: like you're doing work, but you're on social media or 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you're doing your own thing unless you have someone standing 52 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: over your shoulder watching everything you do. You need to 53 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: actually have trust in the people you employ in both 54 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: situations in the office and also from working from home. 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: It's actually such a skill though, when you're at a 56 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: job and you've got nothing to do, to look like 57 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: you're busy, it's actually work. I heard a lot of 58 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: people during COVID were actually using those those systems on 59 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: their computer where it would automatically move their mouths around 60 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: just in case they were being tracked by those keys. 61 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: It's so they look active on team. Yes, yeah, yeah, 62 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: it says if you're away or if you're there. I 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: do find it funny when bosses are like, you need 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: to come back to the office for the culture, and 65 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the culture is literally just silence and people not even 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: talking or working together. Well, what's horrifying is that there 67 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: has been a lot of media coverage on this case. 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: Is this going to mean that a lot of businesses 69 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: are going to start using this technology or now will 70 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: work as having the back of their mind? Shit, I 71 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: actually better do my job because I might be caught 72 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: out next. 73 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: Would you make me a Walldorf? 74 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: Shout Tammy Hambrose. Former fiance Matt Paul has taken another 75 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: swipe at Nicky Westcott's fiance Ollie Frost. Now, the well 76 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: known boyfriends of Instagram are in the midst of a 77 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: very nasty business dispute that has been playing out publicly 78 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: for the past few weeks, and as we mentioned on 79 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: last week's episode, Matt is claiming that Ollie has squeezed 80 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: him out of his stake in popular Burlyhead's restaurant A 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Man Now. Matt alleges that Ollie asked him to invest 82 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars in the business in twenty twenty three 83 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: years on and the business is now in liquidation and 84 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: Matt has no idea where his money is. And as 85 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: we touched on last week, despite the Gold Coast restaurant 86 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: closing down, Ollie and his business partner Jonathan Eddings have 87 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: recently opened a bunch of new companies with similar names. 88 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: And this isn't the first time that Olli and Jonathan's 89 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: companies have faced trouble. The pair were the founders behind 90 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: the defunct Grass in the Green music festival that went 91 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: into administration late last year. Now, this festival ended up 92 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: owing more than three million dollars to artists, fan suppliers 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: and the tax office. And after we dropped last week's episode, 94 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: we had quite a few listeners contacting us saying that 95 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: they had been caught up in that debacle and still 96 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: hadn't had their money returned to them. And in an 97 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: interesting twist, an investigation found that more than seven hundred 98 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in festival funds were loaned to Ollie and 99 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan's restaurant companies, which will never be paid back. The 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: man was found to be one of the businesses propped 101 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: up by the festival funds. So now they were all 102 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: up to speed. This week, Matt Pool took a major 103 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: swipe at Ollie Frost On Instagram, Matt shared a story 104 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: of his desk with his laptop sitting on top of 105 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: a newspaper and it just so happened that the newspaper 106 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: was opened to an article about Olli and Maman and 107 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: you clearly read the head line, which said restaurants firms 108 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: facing two point three million dollar debts. Matt then captured 109 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: the story back in the office for an honest day's work. 110 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I personally love this pettiness. This is something that I 111 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: would do, and it's something that you have done before, Amy, 112 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: it is something I've done. Unfortunately, my name was in 113 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: the media a couple of years ago with stuff to 114 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: do with a former employer, and I did enjoy putting 115 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: in little newspaper articles that we just happened to be 116 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: next to my breakfast in the mornings. And that's the thing, 117 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: when you are locked in a legal dispute, you have 118 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: to be subtle and giving a reaction like this, even 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: though it might be sort of detrimental to the case, 120 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: it makes you feel a little bit better. See, I 121 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: don't know how subtle it is, because he added that 122 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: caption that was pretty telling. Yeah, you can't get in 123 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: trouble for that. I actually, yeah, I'm with Sophie. I 124 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: think that's funny. I did laugh because I also saw 125 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: that Matt Paul liked our Instagram post promoting last week's episode. Yeah, 126 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: so that was also a bit of a subtle swipe. Now, 127 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: the recent article in the Gold Coast Bulletin was quite damning. 128 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: It out line that, according to reports, Lodge with asig 129 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: Ollie's restaurant companies have debts of more than two point 130 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: three million to unsecured creditors, and the article also revealed 131 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: the liquidatas were currently attempting to sell the business through 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: a public advertising campaign. Now, Ollie and his business partner 133 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan have enlisted the help of a PR firm, but 134 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: they declined to provide a comment to the paper. I 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: do find that quite interesting that they have got a 136 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: PR firm involved, because they know how detrimental this is 137 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: to their image and also to the image of Nicky Wescott. 138 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that the PR company would take them on, 139 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: considering it's been publicized that they owe so much money. 140 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: We've had that recently, so for we had a company 141 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: reach out to us that was in the papers, and 142 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: that was clearly though in liquidation, and we're like, why 143 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: would we take you on you're clearly not going to 144 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: pay your bill. I mean a lot of companies do 145 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: have to deal with crisis management, but as you say, 146 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel that confident taking them on board. I 147 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: would want the money up front before I started doing 148 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: any work with them. And it's also important who you 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: align yourself with though as a PR company. I'm actually 150 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: surprised that they're not commenting. I think it looks like 151 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: they're wiping their hands of the whole thing. I just 152 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: think they probably get themselves in more trouble if they 153 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: start putting comments out. I do think that it's best 154 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: probably not to say something, because when they comment, it's 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: just going to generate another story where they rehash all 156 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: this negative information. They're waiting for the story to die. 157 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: That's the strategy all were then hearing is one person's 158 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: side of how terrible they are at business and how 159 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: much they are with But I'm not seeing the other 160 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: side to the story. They might be genuine reasons. Well, 161 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: they might be crafting a positive news story if they're 162 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: launching another business. You know, I really want to know 163 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: what NICKI Westcott is thinking because she is having to 164 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: front up and do a podcast every couple of days, 165 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: and it would be really awkward when all of this 166 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: is going on in the background. Because she's huge on 167 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: the social scene. She and Lucy are always out and 168 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: about at restaurants. I just think it's very awkward for them, 169 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the association. It is awkward, but it's her partner. It's 170 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: not her. I get that it's not her, but the 171 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: person that you're marrying, and your financial situation is merged 172 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: with the How can you not? I don't know. I 173 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: feel like it'd be interesting to say, see how many 174 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: DMS she's receiving over this. Please? Can all of the 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: boyfriends and husband stop staring at my ars every time 176 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: I stap outside because I feel really bad for all 177 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: the wives and girlfriends. TikToker and OnlyFans creator Mikayla Tester 178 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: has debuted her new boyfriend by sharing an X rated 179 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: photo of him, as well as a taste of their 180 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: late night text message exchanges. Now. The new relationship comes 181 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: just a year after Mikayla split from her longtime boyfriend 182 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Addis Paul. Now, so if this has put new meaning 183 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: into hard launching a relationship. Yeah, a part in the pun. 184 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I was quite taken back when Mikayla's Instagram 185 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: story popped up, and for those who haven't seen it, 186 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: she shared a screenshot of a text message exchange as 187 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: you said, Amy, which included a photo of the new guy. Unfortunately, 188 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: we didn't actually get to see his face in the photos. Oh, 189 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: I though you're gonna say something else. No, this photo, 190 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: the best way I can describe it is this guy 191 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: has grabbed his phone, he's standing in the nude, and 192 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: he's positioned the photo up so you can't quite see 193 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: his groin. I mean, if he had any pubes, I 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: feel like you definitely see a hint of pubes and 195 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: his face and his privates was strategically cut off. You 196 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: can see his very chiseled body though. Yeah, he was 197 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: absolutely ripped. And in this text message exchange, Mikayla says, 198 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: they know and they don't mind. They like hearing about it. Though, 199 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: I assume that she is talking about her OnlyFans, audience 200 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: and her followers on Instagram, saying that they don't mind 201 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: her being in a relationship. See. I wondered if that 202 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: was about Adams Paul. I actually don't mind this reveal 203 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: of a new relationship. It's better than just having the 204 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: arm with the watch and the photo. It kind of 205 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: takes it to a different level. It's quite funny because 206 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: in this text message exchange, Mikayla responded saying, ah delicious. 207 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: And it's funny because she actually tagged him in this 208 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: Instagram story. So I of course had a bit of 209 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: a stalk. And this guy's name is Emmanuel. He's eighteen 210 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: years old, a body builder and also a fellow OnlyFans creator. 211 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: They sound perfect together and many people were surprised to 212 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: hear that there's a five year age gap between the 213 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: two of them, because Mikayla is twenty three. But I 214 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: think those people must be quite unaware of her dating 215 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: history with k Leroy because kid Laroi is nineteen years 216 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: old and they dated, I believe when Mikayla was eighteen. 217 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: But do we actually think this is a relationship or 218 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 1: is this just an onlyfan's collaboration. I think this relationship 219 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: is genuine because Mikayla then shared that it was the 220 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: end of her eurosummer and that she's been there for 221 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: three months, and she wrote I miss Australia. My cats 222 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: and my boyfriend so much. It's been a long three months. 223 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: And then she revealed that Emmanuel has been looking after 224 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: her cat Eddie, and she shared a photo of him 225 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: cudled up with Eddie in her house. I'm sorry, so 226 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a genuine relationship. Why would 227 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: you launch it by sharing that kind of photo Because 228 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: it's her brand, it's teasing your audience into it. We're 229 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: going to be collaborating soon. That's how I bet she'll 230 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: do that. Anyway, It doesn't mean it isn't her boyfriend, 231 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: Like she was doing stuff on OnlyFans with Adams Paul 232 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: and that was a genuine relationship. I mean, this guy 233 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: has I think thirty six thousand followers already, Obviously that 234 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: number is going to climb. But I just think it's genuine. 235 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense that she would date someone 236 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: who's in a similar to her, who understands it. I 237 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: wonder if this is the guy that she was talking 238 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: about in her White Fox boutique interview, because she said 239 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: there was a guy living in the US who was 240 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: actually from Melbourne, and I think he recently might have 241 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: moved back or was visiting, so maybe he's made his 242 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: stay more permanent. 243 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: If you don't call him, I will no, no, Cram, 244 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: I don't want you to do that. 245 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: You can't do that. 246 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call Gino. 247 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna see him, and we're gonna get that haircut 248 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: fixed up. I don't want you to call her. Rage Gee. 249 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: I was scrolling on Facebook the other night and I 250 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: came across a post from this poor woman on the 251 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Tee Time Facebook group who has had an absolute nightmare haircut. 252 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: So she asked for a trim and a few face 253 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: framing layers and she's ngured up having a hair completely butchered. 254 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: I can't even describe. How would you describe it? You've 255 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: seen the photo, Oh, my worst nightmare. So she had 256 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: layers done, and I mean lucky thing. Her hair's very thick, 257 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: but the layers they were literally like you could see 258 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: each layer that had been cut in. It was It's 259 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: sort of like when you cut a Barbie doll's hair 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: at different lengths. It was a night looked like weird Barbie, 261 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't it. Yeah, poor girl. So apparently the hairdresser she 262 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: went to had over twenty five years of experience, and 263 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: she went onto the Facebook group to ask if anyone 264 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: knew how she could fix this haircut. It was quite 265 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: funny because someone in the group said she can actually 266 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: claim for personal injury damage. So she said the same 267 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: thing happened to her, and she was given eleven thousand 268 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: dollars for personal and emotional damage. So the hair salon's 269 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: insure it decided on the amount based on how long 270 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: it would cost to pay for extensions for her for 271 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: three to four years. I actually think that this woman 272 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: deserved more than eleven thousand dollars. As someone who has 273 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: very slow growing hair. Yeah, and the amount of money 274 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: that you invest to get healthy hair as well, it 275 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: is emotionally damaging as well. Imagine if you had an 276 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: important event coming up that you had to go to, 277 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: you probably have to buy a week If someone botched 278 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: your face, they'd be liable. Or she was commenting saying, 279 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: do I just shave it all off and get a wig? 280 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: You do put so much trust in your hairdresser, and 281 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: it's really scary going to a new salon. What actually 282 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: is you're right when you do get a bad haircut. Well, 283 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: I was pleased to learn that haircuts are actually covered 284 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: under Australian consumer law, so hairdressers are required to ensure 285 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: that their haircuts are delivered with reasonable skill and care, 286 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: so depending on what happens to your hair, you can 287 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: get a refund, a part refund, or a restyle. The 288 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: biggest advice I took from reading about this is that 289 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: you have to make your feelings heard when you're actually 290 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: at the salon. And I think a lot of people 291 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: find that difficult because how many times have you got 292 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: a bad haircut and you've just gone like, yeah, yeah, 293 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: that's all good and walked out and just cried and 294 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: not said any Yeah. I've been listening to the Bride 295 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: to b podcast, which is done by Adoor Beauty. I've 296 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: really been enjoying binging those episodes, and they had a 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: hairdresser on and the hairdresser was saying, this happens all 298 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: the time with bridal trials, and the bridle will be 299 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: just too shy to say that they actually fucking hate 300 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing, and they'll either end up going and 301 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: getting someone else to do it for them, or the 302 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: day just being unhappy with it. Yeah, it is really 303 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: hard to say that you don't like something in person. 304 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: There are instances if you have like a color goes wrong, 305 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you can actually come back, but you've just got to 306 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: do it asap, and if you're not happy with the 307 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: response from the hairdresser, you can actually contact the Office 308 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: of Fair Trading in your state. That's the thing though, 309 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: if someone has fucked up your head this badly, like 310 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: this poor person who posted the photo, you would not 311 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: want to set foot back in there. You'd want to 312 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: just go somewhere else to get them to fix it. 313 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: This happened to Dale. He came home once and his 314 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: haircut looked atrocious. They'd shaved it all weirdly at the back, 315 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: and I said to him, this looks terrible, and he 316 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: just thought I was being picky because he went to 317 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: this really cheap hairdresser. And then it actually took someone 318 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: at work saying mate, did you cut your own hair 319 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: for him to go back. They fixed everything up, but 320 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: still he looked terrible for a couple of weeks. For guys, 321 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: I don't really see the back of their head doing that. 322 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: They're not looking. So there's hilarious TikTok. This woman saying 323 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: things that weren't her business. And she said, the back 324 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: of her hair is not her business. If she didn't 325 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: straighten it properly. That's not her business. Do you remember 326 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: when we first got our hair dyet and I had 327 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: that mishap where I think they put the heat on 328 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: for too long and it went all checkerboard. I need 329 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: to note this was BEFO. When our hairdresser, our much 330 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: beloved hairdresser, was away, we went to one of those 331 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: cheap places. It was as attack. Yeah, that should have 332 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: been the red flag, but that was a nightmare because 333 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: my mum complained because I think I was thirteen. I 334 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: had to redo it, jacking eleven thousand dollars worth of 335 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: damage for that checkerboard. Oh streets. I would have liked 336 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: that because I had to redye my hair my natural 337 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: color again. It just looked awful. A telltale sign that 338 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: someone's a bad hairdresser is if they've got bad hair themselves. 339 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I've advocated for so long for women to use their voice, 340 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: and then I was silent. 341 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: Were you silent or were you silenced? 342 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Speculation is mounting that Megan Markle is set to return 343 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: to Instagram. The Duchess of Sussex was forced to shut 344 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: down her personal social media accounts five years ago when 345 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: she married Prince Worry The discovery of Meghan's apparent secret 346 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,359 Speaker 1: Instagram account follows rumors that the former actress is exploring 347 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: new career opportunities as an influencer Amy can you tell 348 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: us more? Well? An Instagram account with the handle Meghan 349 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: has attracted tens of thousands of followers overnight, despite not 350 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: having a single post now. The account's profile picture is 351 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: of flowers and it is set to public now. Other 352 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: than sharing Meghan's name, there is no other identifying features 353 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: that it is actually her account. But despite this, many 354 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: people are certain that it's Meghan's personal Instagram account, so 355 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: much so that at the time of recording, the account 356 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: has attracted over forty five thousand followers. How did she 357 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: get the name just Megan? Surely that name would have 358 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: been taken by somebody. Maybe she's purchased it, and that's 359 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: why people are certain that it's Also what if she 360 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: maybe not just shut down her original one, but not 361 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: deleted it and then reactivated it. It wasn't Megan. She 362 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: can't really come back as Meghan Markele while everyone knows 363 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: her as Meghan Markle. It's the same with Kate Middleton. 364 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: They actually no longer have those names. When she married 365 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: Prince Harry. Normally what happens is if you marry into 366 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the royal family, you drop your last name. You're literally 367 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: just known as your Christian name. Yeah, I get that, 368 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: but I'm saying that she had so many followers on 369 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: her original Instagram account that did she just did? Why 370 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: did she just deactivate it then come back and just 371 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: change the handle. She's not going to have any issues 372 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: with attracting new followers at all. We can see these 373 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: blank accounts got forty five thousand. It's quite interesting though, 374 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: because I think this whole Meghan thing is a big 375 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: part of her rebrand because she's copped so much flak 376 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: for holding on to her title of the Duchess of Sussex, 377 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: and on her podcast she always signed off as Meghan. 378 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I know in the actual show 379 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: notes and at the end when they were reading the credits, 380 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: it would say the Duchess of Sussex. But I think 381 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: she's really trying to make just Meghan a thing, because 382 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: trying to make Meghan happen. Yeah, because Prince Harry, he's 383 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: just known as Prince Harry, and so she just has 384 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: to be just Meghan. And it's pretty ballsy to go with, 385 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: because Meghan isn't like an unusual name. It's not like share. 386 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: There's not just one Meghan. You've got Meghan trainer, you know. 387 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: So I wonder if Megan is going to try and 388 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: trademark Meghan like Kylie Jenna did during when she did it, 389 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: and then Kylie Minogue was like, hang on a second, 390 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm Kylie. Yeah. It's actually believed that this account was 391 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: created a year ago, even though it's just attracting attention now, 392 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: and that was around the time that Meghan launched her 393 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: Spotify podcast Archetypes, and in an interview with The Cut 394 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: to promote the podcast, Meghan said, do you want to 395 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: know a secret? I'm getting back on Instagram. However, she 396 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: is said to have changed her mind shortly before she 397 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: launched the podcast, so this account has potentially just been 398 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: sitting there. Do you think she's changing her mind again, 399 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: because there is a lot of speculation that she's in 400 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: talks with Cartier to become a brand ambassador after signing 401 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: with Hollywood talent agency WMEE. She's always been big on 402 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: social media. Before she married into the royal family, she 403 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: had her blog The Tig I feel like it would 404 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: just be natural for her to fall back into having 405 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: a social media career. It's a little bit more complicated 406 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: now though, with the whole Royal family thing, because apparently 407 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: Cartier are a little bit nervous because if they partner 408 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: with Meghan, they're going to piss off the Royal family, 409 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: who have been clients for over one hundred years. I 410 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: get why she can't be an influencer. I love her. 411 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: I want to see what she's up to. I want 412 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: to see what brand deals she's choosing. I want to 413 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: see what makeup she's using, what skincare products are using. 414 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: But when you say influencer as well, it's not like 415 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: she's going to be spooking teeth, whitening or anything like that. 416 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Though I know Fergie copped it at the time when 417 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: she went to the US and she was doing a 418 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: lot of brand deals. But I think Meghan's team are 419 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: going to be very careful about what products she promotes. 420 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: They'll be high end brands and it won't be consistently 421 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: every week she's spreaking something. It's not that she's an influencer, 422 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: it's just that she's a celebrity. And now the way 423 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: that celebrities do brand deals has changed Jennifer Aniston. Jennifer 424 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Aniston's actually been doing quite a few brand deals, but 425 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: in a classy way. She cops a little bit for 426 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: having no idea about social media etiquette. The thing with Megan, 427 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: she's always been a massive style icon, so she could 428 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: easily be a fashion influencer quote unquote, I mean, you 429 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: see Jade, tun't she getting to promote designer brands? Surely 430 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Megan could easily earn a lot of money promoting Louis Vuitton, Katier, 431 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: all of those brands and do it in a taste 432 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: away by posting really high fashion image. I just don't get. 433 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't get people's point of saying, oh, because she 434 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: was a royal, she can't have an Instagram account just 435 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: because in the past, Like, yeah, Princess Darna didn't have 436 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: one because it wasn't around. I bet you she would 437 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: have jumped on there as soon as she left the 438 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: role fan. But the thing is, I think because they've 439 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: over exposed themselves so much with their doco and their 440 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: podcasts and all the things that come out in the media, 441 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: they have to be careful about how much of their life. Again, 442 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: they're just a regular celebrity in the sense of a 443 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: lot of the time celebrities get oversaturated. Look at the Kardashians. Yeah, 444 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: but there's a group of people who are always gonna 445 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: hate you, always gonna love it. How to influencer, People think, oh, well, 446 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: she's just gonna be like the influence of vologging her life. No, no, 447 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: that's not what she's gonna be. It's gonna be a 448 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: different caliber of influence. Even though apparently they have shared 449 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: too much, according to the critics, people are interested the 450 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: fact that there's an account called Meghan that's only got 451 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: a photo of flowers up and like fifty four thousand 452 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: people or whatever have followed her. It shows us huge 453 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: interest in her. I also personally haven't heard from Meghan 454 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: in a while. I've seen a lot of Harry, and 455 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: I think that that's been a really clever strategic move 456 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: because years ago it was it's all Megan's fault. But 457 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: now Harry has, you know, everyone saying his book is 458 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: called where and like making fun of him, which is horrible. 459 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: But at the same time everyone's thinking, oh, actually is 460 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: him who's complaining about her? She's doing what Any sort 461 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: of influence or a celebrity does when they get oversaturated. 462 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: She she's doing a Taylor swift. She's gone quiet, and 463 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I do think we will see her return to Instagram 464 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: and sort of do a Kate Middleton in a way 465 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: and be silent but very stylish. 466 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: And I value my energy. I value present time with 467 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: my kids, I value going to the gym. I value 468 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: my sleep. 469 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Ash Bienes has divided opinions during a Q and A 470 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: on her podcast Glow and Grow Influence. It was asked 471 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: by a listener if she would stay in her marriage 472 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: if her partner cheated on her. This was Ash's response. 473 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: I would take some responsibility into as to why he cheated, 474 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: Like I feel like people cheat when their needs aren't 475 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: getting met over a long period of time and is 476 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: lack of communications. I would take some responsibility, but I 477 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 2: feel like if I stayed, I would throw it back 478 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: in his face and I'm like heated or triggered and 479 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be that trust there, so his life, I 480 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: don't feel like we'd be living our best, happiest lives. 481 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: It'd be hard to build up that trust again, to 482 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: fully trust them. 483 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: And open yourself up again to be hurt. So I 484 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: don't think so. 485 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: Oh, this is pretty funny. Poo in public? 486 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: What do you mean in a public toilet or just 487 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: in public? 488 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about Ash's comments? Do 489 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: you think it's your fault if someone cheats on you? 490 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked when I heard Ashy say this, 491 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: and I do not agree. I think that the person 492 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: who cheats is solely responsible for their behavior, not the partner. 493 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: And I think that there are a lot of things 494 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: that you can do if you're not happy relationship before cheating, 495 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Like why don't you go to counseling, set some boundaries, 496 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: talk to your part I do get all that, And 497 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: hearing that quote back, you go, oh, wow, she's really 498 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: victim blaming the person who's been cheated on. But I 499 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: kind of understand where she's coming from in terms of 500 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: sometimes there are cases where someone just goes out and 501 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: cheats because they're a bloody dickhead. But then there are 502 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: sometimes cases where maybe people have been in a marriage 503 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: for thirty years and they're just not meeting each other's needs. 504 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: They might not be giving that person enough love or attention, 505 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: and so sometimes people go and seek out these emotional 506 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: affairs and it's not saying that it's that person's fault, 507 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: but it's clearly this breakdown of people. Actually, yes, but 508 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 1: the thing relations is cheating actually hurts someone, Whereas if 509 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: you're upfront and communicate that you're not happy on your 510 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: marriage and your needs aren't being met, then you can 511 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: work through that without going and cheating on the person. 512 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: I do think Ash's response is quite a female one, 513 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: because often female's default response is what did I do wrong? 514 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: And how can I make him love me again and 515 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: stop cheating? And it's total bullshit. Women should not be 516 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: taking responsibility if their partner cheats on that, but a 517 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: man as well. But what about the other scenarios. So 518 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: say there's a woman and you know, or even a 519 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: same sex relationship, what if their partners not providing all 520 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: the things that they need. I mean, my view is 521 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: that if you're not happy in a relationship, you should 522 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: just leave the relations Actually, you shouldn't cheat on somebody. 523 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: But that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think that 524 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: there should be any scenario where your default is, oh, well, 525 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm not getting enough from this relationship, so I'm just 526 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: going to cheat on this person. Like surely you can 527 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: just separate. Surely you can break up before you get 528 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: to that point where you want to explore a relationship 529 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: with someone else. I do agree that people need to 530 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: actually put effort into their relationships because I think what 531 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: you're getting at is that, you know, as soon as 532 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: people get married, maybe they don't go out on dates, 533 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: maybe they stop communicating. Lives get really busy, and people 534 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: might not put the same effort in as they did 535 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: when they first started dating. And I think that that's 536 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: where you need to be really good with communicating with 537 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: your partner that, hey, this is what I want from 538 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: our relationship and I'm not getting it on cheat on someone? 539 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Do you think though, that you could get over somebody 540 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: cheating on you? Or is that just the end of relationship? 541 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: It's very circumstantial. I mean my instant reaction is no. 542 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: But in the past, have I taken someone back that 543 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: has cheated on me? Yes? And it was an extremely young, 544 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: toxic relationship where I was in the mindset like, oh, 545 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: what did I do wrong and how can I make 546 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: this person like me? But obviously that relationship was not 547 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: successful and I shouldn't have taken in back. What about 548 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: emotional versus physical cheating because I feel like a lot 549 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: of people have differing opinions on it. Would you rather 550 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: find out that your partner was having an emotional or 551 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: physical effort? Again, I think it's very circumstantial and like 552 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: where you are in your relationship, like we were talking about, 553 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: if you're not putting effort into your relationship, you're not 554 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: actually spending time together or communicating. You could kind of, 555 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: in a sense understand why someone would feel the need 556 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: to get an emotional connection with someone else. Again, you 557 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: would hope that person would actually bring it up with 558 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: you before they got to that stage. I think the 559 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: emotional affairs are often more dangerous because for men, if 560 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about heterosetrical relationships, I feel like for men, 561 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: sometimes they can just go out and sex isn't a 562 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: huge thing for them. Obviously it is when they've got 563 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: a partner, but sometimes it's actually more of a threat 564 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: to your relationship the emotional side of things, Like if 565 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: someone's having an emotional affair with somebody at work, I 566 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: would actually find that more threatening almost well, I mean, 567 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: it just depends what you're willing to accept. I mean, oh, 568 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that you would accept your partner physically 569 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: cheating or not either. So I would if anyone cheated 570 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: on me, I would dump them immediately. I suppose it's like, 571 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: what would you find worse the emotional or physical cheating question. 572 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: It's hard because I think your initial reaction is that 573 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: you would find the physical cheating worse because it would 574 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: be awful to think about your partner doing that with 575 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: someone else. But then again, I suppose from a deeper level, 576 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: it would be kind of offensive to know that your 577 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: partner had built this emotional relationship with someone that was 578 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: deep and they were It kind of seems like the 579 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: emotional affair is more based on the fact that they 580 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: found someone that they're more suited to, whereas a fear 581 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: physical affair seems like it was spare of the moment 582 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: and it was just sexual attraction. Well, I think that's 583 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. Thank you so much 584 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 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