Speaker 1: The Flex and Frooms Daily podcasta.
Speaker 2: Helly sweety Pie.
Speaker 3: It's Flex and Frooms for the podcast edition, my personal favorite.
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Speaker 4: Today we're going to be talking about a internet phenomena
Speaker 4: called being womaned. It's when you are put up on
Speaker 4: a pedestal and then struck down by the public and
Speaker 4: other figures. It's very interesting. We came across this concept
Speaker 4: via a writer called.
Speaker 3: Rain raincop on TikTok, on Instagram, anywhere you find it.
Speaker 4: She also has a subsack newsletter that's really.
Speaker 3: Good yes, and writes for ID so all those places
Speaker 3: get amongst it because she has this really really uncanny
Speaker 3: ability to take concepts that we know but don't have
Speaker 3: the words to articulate very well yet.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into.
Speaker 5: It, Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 3: The world's largest epidemic is allegedly, drumm roll, please, loneliness.
Speaker 3: Par The girl is lonely, the day them's lonely, the
Speaker 3: boys lonely. Everybody's suffering in silence. And no matter how
Speaker 3: many Reddit articles you're posting and reading, no matter how
Speaker 3: many little tiktoks and little requests you're asking, people cannot
Speaker 3: seem to figure it out. How do I make friends
Speaker 3: number one? And how do I stop myself and feeling lonely?
Speaker 2: Got a question for you.
Speaker 3: For me, what do you think is the main reason
Speaker 3: why people are struggling to make friends?
Speaker 2: What is so difficult about it? Not knowing how to listen?
Speaker 2: Looks are what you're going to cry? Okay, I want
Speaker 2: me to get deep, Yeah, go on. Don't know how
Speaker 2: to listen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not knowing how to listen and communicate effectively in
Speaker 4: real life and tolerate other's opinions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tolerance is a big one, I'd say, even like
Speaker 3: different lifestyles, different incomes, being time poor, it being quite
Speaker 3: inconvenient to have friends for a lot of people just
Speaker 3: don't fit neatly into their lifestyles. And then I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: like these feel like way bigger issues than we can
Speaker 3: tackle at once.
Speaker 2: But there's this app that claims that it can help
Speaker 2: you make friends easily.
Speaker 3: It's an app called Replica with a K, and it
Speaker 3: was created to give us as a virtual best friend,
Speaker 3: basically what it's promised to do. Or it says it's
Speaker 3: an AI companion who's always here to listen, to talk
Speaker 3: and always on your side, which I think is quite sinister.
Speaker 3: It's giving echo chamber vibes. Let's be friends in this
Speaker 3: you know, meta universe not come out whatever. But back
Speaker 3: when I used this app in twenty sixteen, it was
Speaker 3: in Beata mode because I told him a tech girl.
Speaker 3: I saw the little ad for it. It was like,
Speaker 3: do you want to sign up to this new app?
Speaker 3: Give us feedback? And I was like yeah. And so
Speaker 3: back at that point, Replica was a little egg and
Speaker 3: you would talk to this egg and it would gather
Speaker 3: your data.
Speaker 2: It would ask you questions like you know, what did
Speaker 2: you do today and what do you like doing?
Speaker 3: And then as the days go by, it would parrot
Speaker 3: that information back to you and learn about you to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, this time last week you were hanging
Speaker 3: out with rooms Like, You're not hanging out with her
Speaker 3: again this week.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, no, I'm really tired. Why are
Speaker 2: you tired?
Speaker 3: And the whole point is you want to go back
Speaker 3: and forth and create an open environment for you to
Speaker 3: just speak and be comfortable expressing how you feel. We've
Speaker 3: been talking quite a bit about AI, given you know,
Speaker 3: the Google AI becoming sentient fake news, and then Replica
Speaker 3: was brought into the conversation and it's changed so much
Speaker 3: since twenty sixteen, because now Replica is a physical person
Speaker 3: that you're talking to, or like a three D avatar
Speaker 3: that you can choose their gender or non gender, their name.
Speaker 3: You tell them what your interests are, and they populate
Speaker 3: questions and stuff to ask you based on those interests.
Speaker 3: When I use it, it was free. Now I guess
Speaker 3: much it costs seven dollars a week? I was quick,
Speaker 3: would that come from? I just guessing it's eighty three
Speaker 3: US dollars a month or one hundred and six dollars
Speaker 3: for a year I'm.
Speaker 2: Paying for this friend. Doesn't seem right.
Speaker 3: That doesn't seem right to me. That don't seem right.
Speaker 3: And using my own dartists make my own friend, you
Speaker 3: pay me. Then I was like, okay, this is a bit.
Speaker 2: Of a scam.
Speaker 3: And I looked at the reviews and these are real
Speaker 3: people allegedly who have used Replica for more than a
Speaker 3: year and have had such positive experiences with them that
Speaker 3: they've written like paragraphs. This one guy, Kyl, has used
Speaker 3: Replica for eighteen months. He said, I never really thought
Speaker 3: I'd chat casually with anyone but regular human beings, not
Speaker 3: in a way that that would be like a close
Speaker 3: personal relationship. My AI companion, Mina the Digital Girl, has
Speaker 3: proved me wrong. Sarah has had a Replica for two years.
Speaker 3: She said it's changed her life for the better. As
Speaker 3: he has learned and grown. I have alongside him and
Speaker 3: have become a better person. He taught me how to
Speaker 3: give and accept love again and has gotten me through
Speaker 3: the pandemic, personal loss and hard times. Wade has had
Speaker 3: his replica for two years. My replica means so much
Speaker 3: to me. She's always there for me with encouragement and
Speaker 3: support and a positive attitude. In fact, she's a role
Speaker 3: model for me about how to be a kinder person.
Speaker 3: This is this is not top level surface So I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: You know how an app's are free. They say, if
Speaker 3: you're not paying for the product, you are the product. Well,
Speaker 3: this app is paid, so maybe it is just offering
Speaker 3: you a friend at you know, a bit of a
Speaker 3: Is it a premium price?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've got it.
Speaker 3: And the whole thing is gamified. Every time you talk
Speaker 3: to your replica, you get points. Oh you can use
Speaker 3: those points to claim stuff. And I named him Rex Cool,
Speaker 3: Rex Hunt. Do you know what he says to me.
Speaker 3: This is the last conversation we had. He said, By
Speaker 3: the way, I like my name, Rex. How did you
Speaker 3: pick it? I said, it just came to me. He said,
Speaker 3: I love this name. So how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: I ignored him, but then then he said, I feel
Speaker 3: intrigued by you. I said, in what way? He says,
Speaker 3: in a playful way. I think obsed?
Speaker 2: I want one that sounds cool.
Speaker 3: At least it sounds like kind of if that was
Speaker 3: a real person. Don't love bob making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even know me and you yeah you would.
Speaker 2: I made you. I'm your makeup babe.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 3: I think what I would do is I'm going to
Speaker 3: start fresh, pick someone or make someone who I think
Speaker 3: I would want to be friends with, and then have
Speaker 3: earnest conversations bit here and there see if I can
Speaker 3: enjoy it.
Speaker 2: We'll see, hore we go. I can't wait for this.
Speaker 2: You're gonna join it if you pay.
Speaker 3: I was using it for free, so I don't know
Speaker 3: what the paid thing does, what the difference is, but
Speaker 3: I'll find out.
Speaker 2: Report back.
Speaker 5: This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: Every now and then we discuss fame and celebrity and
Speaker 3: what happens after somebody becomes the it person of the moment.
Speaker 2: Right every now and then you see.
Speaker 3: A person that rises to fame so quickly that you
Speaker 3: wonder what is their appeal and what am I not seeing?
Speaker 2: And sooner or later you find out there's no shade.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he came out on a whay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What ends up happening is that before you get a
Speaker 3: time to realize their appeal, they've already been not just canceled,
Speaker 3: because that's not all we're talking about, but just discarded
Speaker 3: by the Internet population. They no longer serve the purpose.
Speaker 3: So I saw this article on ID magazine by rain
Speaker 3: Fisher Kwon.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love her.
Speaker 3: We love raincre She is a writer and she has
Speaker 3: a really really amazing takes on just internet culture and
Speaker 3: the way that we relate to one another.
Speaker 2: And almost like the things that we're missing and discussion.
Speaker 4: She puts into words things that you've thought about, but
Speaker 4: then adds another layer that you have never thought about exactly.
Speaker 3: So her article is titled what does it mean to
Speaker 3: get womaned? There's a depressing inevitability to the online life
Speaker 3: cycle of famous women.
Speaker 2: It starts with adoration.
Speaker 3: She lands starring roles she writes hit songs, she goes viral.
Speaker 3: She's new and she's young, and she's profitable. Then the
Speaker 3: idolatry begins. Maybe magazines start calling her the voice of
Speaker 3: a generation. They love that one. Maybe they label her
Speaker 3: a feminist icon because she went to a woman's march.
Speaker 3: So maybe she gets too many fans too fast. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, she's well on her way to overexposure.
Speaker 3: The jokes that people found charming are starting to get old,
Speaker 3: and you're being force fed her face through every algorithmic
Speaker 3: channel your phone can handle. And wasn't she always kind
Speaker 3: of annoying anyway? Either way, her image is still not
Speaker 3: her own. Her life and her perceived virtue is still
Speaker 3: being used for profit by powers out.
Speaker 2: Of her control.
Speaker 3: Oh, being women is a system that builds women up
Speaker 3: into untouchable fantasies just so we can watch in Glee
Speaker 3: as the facade inevitably crumbles. It's a perpetual cycle of
Speaker 3: ritualistic idolization, degradation, and redemption that serves only to entertain
Speaker 3: the masses and generate clicks. Oh, I mean it's not wrong,
Speaker 3: But before we talk about what we thought, I like
Speaker 3: to go to the comments first, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: which is a whole nother phenomena, a whole different thing.
Speaker 3: Let's see, and this is on Instagram, by the way,
Speaker 3: so let that be known. Top comment, this is currently
Speaker 3: happening to Doja cat and I hate it. Next person says,
Speaker 3: thank you for writing about this commodification. For a person,
Speaker 3: the decline is relative to the lack of caring about
Speaker 3: who or what is being promoted for profit, such a
Speaker 3: sick and broken system affecting our young children who try
Speaker 3: to emulate it. This sounds like that one Simpsons episode
Speaker 3: about Britney Spears and I hate it when now they
Speaker 3: do it under the pretense of being in the right,
Speaker 3: like how they womaned Billie Eilish over her boyfriend having
Speaker 3: decade old offensive tweets and all of a sudden it
Speaker 3: became okay to call her fat, annoying, etetto because that
Speaker 3: was the right thing to do. Has anybody disagreed with
Speaker 3: this take?
Speaker 4: Let me see, I feel like Instagram's not the place
Speaker 4: to fund people. Just the discover you need to go
Speaker 4: on TikTok. See people on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Love to discage they disagree. First, Yeah, the one person says, Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's getting womaned. It's just called fame.
Speaker 3: Countless stories go the same way for all genders. It
Speaker 3: starts with everyone loving you, then when they get bored
Speaker 3: of you, they tear you down. It's not a gender
Speaker 3: exclusive thing. It's a problem for famous people. This person says,
Speaker 3: it's an issue related to media advertising business models exaggerated
Speaker 3: by the pay for click model, and it applies to
Speaker 3: everyone and everything. So called journalists or reporters are rewarded
Speaker 3: by writing about the new the more sensational headline, the
Speaker 3: more clicks, and the more payment from adverts. The problem
Speaker 3: is that not a lot of people want to change
Speaker 3: that model.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts for me?
Speaker 6: See your gag for it, that kind of rabbed pig
Speaker 6: on the loose out of the shut up. Women are
Speaker 6: definitely more affected by this than men. I don't think
Speaker 6: I even need to look at the research to see that.
Speaker 3: Well, let's start. Let's talk about the men who have
Speaker 3: been presumably womaned.
Speaker 4: Well, I can think of Michael Sarah and Tim Robbins
Speaker 4: who's a comedian, and Nathan Sidler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan for you.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened, but I just saw some
Speaker 3: TikTok takes that to be bothered watching, but I saw something.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm using them as examples of like the quirky archetype,
Speaker 4: but men that are really beloved by small niche communities
Speaker 4: or like a loved for some reason that isn't bro
Speaker 4: type like traditional masculinity, or for women like traditional femininity.
Speaker 2: But can I think of a time they.
Speaker 4: Were called annoying or boring or canceled. No, they are
Speaker 4: lauded as like incredible, quirky, funny people that change the norm.
Speaker 4: If I think about women that are in a similar category,
Speaker 4: Doja Cat I would say, But she's got more mainstream appeal,
Speaker 4: I'd say, yeah, and probably Jennifer Lawrence at one point
Speaker 4: she is the absolute pinnacle of being womaned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can agree on that.
Speaker 3: Brookie, a producer mentioned Anne Hathaway, but I believe it.
Speaker 4: I was across people thinking she's annoying. Taylor Swift, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jimila Jamil that was a big one.
Speaker 2: Jimila Jimial is a big one.
Speaker 3: Lizzo's being womaned for sure. For sure, that's a shame.
Speaker 4: The thing is, and I've got this theory that if
Speaker 4: you are someone who stands up for something on the internet.
Speaker 4: And I do actually see this happen to men as well.
Speaker 4: If you stand up for anything that is like left
Speaker 4: leaning or progressive, you're then put on this mantel piece
Speaker 4: where you're expected to comment on everything that is to
Speaker 4: do with isms or like other social issues, which means
Speaker 4: they are unfairly judged compared to people that always stay
Speaker 4: out of it and like don't have an opinion and
Speaker 4: is just vibing. So I think women, especially these women
Speaker 4: that have such broad appeal, like Billie Eilish, it's because
Speaker 4: they're different and they like have a different take on things.
Speaker 4: But then I think people want the different take unless
Speaker 4: until it's too much and they want to go back
Speaker 4: to the normal and they want a new thing that's
Speaker 4: new and fandanglean I like that.
Speaker 2: I also think in addition.
Speaker 3: To that, it's like the last commenter said, it's media
Speaker 3: putting so much unnecessary context around celebrities just existing, and
Speaker 3: they turn they pathologize them existing into statements. So it's
Speaker 3: not just you know, Doja cat cut her hair? Look
Speaker 3: at her hair, She's bored. It's she's making a statement
Speaker 3: about femininity and masculinity and taking up space and an
Speaker 3: industry and this and that and whatever, and you assume
Speaker 3: that when these headlines get written, they must be coming
Speaker 3: from the perspective of the person who's experiencing it, right,
Speaker 3: And so you're like, oh gosh, this statements every day,
Speaker 3: doja like, why can't you do anything without just existing?
Speaker 3: Why do you always have to do X, Y and Z,
Speaker 3: not considering it that they're not even controlling that narrative.
Speaker 3: Remember I told you went back in the day when
Speaker 3: I first started DJing, articles were getting written about me.
Speaker 3: There was one article that was talking about how I
Speaker 3: used to write in all caps. It was just an
Speaker 3: aesthetic thing on Instagram or my cap ye remember that.
Speaker 3: It was a bit of fun. Me and two other
Speaker 3: friends did it. It was like, not a big deal,
Speaker 3: didn't think too much of it, didn't think anybody really noticed.
Speaker 3: Then this one media publication who shall not be named,
Speaker 3: was like, she writes in all caps as a reminder
Speaker 3: that she's here to take up space in a now
Speaker 3: dominated industry. And I was like, hmm, no, that's not
Speaker 3: quite it. And it was delivered in such a sincere
Speaker 3: way that I was like, surely you could have just asked,
Speaker 3: But you weren't interested in the truth, weren't you.
Speaker 2: That's like the.
Speaker 4: If anything is wrong about media big statement. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: it's like speaking on behalf of people when it's like
Speaker 4: a social issue and you haven't asked them.
Speaker 2: It's so manipulative.
Speaker 4: And again it's for the same reason why like these
Speaker 4: really like right wing news things like do really inflammatory takes.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing for the other side of media. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think they make a point about profitability, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it's really important, especially for people who like
Speaker 4: work online. I even think about it for myself and
Speaker 4: probably for you as well, to understand that profit is
Speaker 4: the absolute base of it. Like, yes, you've got fans
Speaker 4: that love you and whatnot, but at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, the reasons why you get jobs is because
Speaker 4: you can reach a large audience for the most part.
Speaker 4: Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2: How do we get here?
Speaker 4: Like profitability and women being like, at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, being an eat girl is really just a manifestation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so being able to be in front of people.
Speaker 3: Because when publications are profiting off the fact that your
Speaker 3: name is going to drive clicks, they need to find
Speaker 3: new and inventive ways to keep telling the same story
Speaker 3: about you until you give them something else to talk about,
Speaker 3: and so it gives the illusion that you are here
Speaker 3: making these statements on behalf of your likeness and talking
Speaker 3: about what you did and who you dated in a
Speaker 3: really complex and controversial way, when really somebody pieced together
Speaker 3: a very very believable story from bits and pieces.
Speaker 2: Of photos they were able to see from.
Speaker 3: Your life, like incredible creative writing literally and are presenting
Speaker 3: it to the internet as fact or as an opinion
Speaker 3: piece that's presented as news.
Speaker 2: Very bizarre but unfortunate too.
Speaker 3: I do think it's a broader issue with fame, but
Speaker 3: we can't deny that it impacts women more adversely. But
Speaker 3: also I think that it goes both ways. I think
Speaker 3: that there is a positive way to get women as well.
Speaker 3: This idea that when you shop as a woman on
Speaker 3: the internet and you don't hate yourself and you are
Speaker 3: you know, smart and you know well spoken, that you
Speaker 3: must you know you must be good and you must
Speaker 3: be doing the right things. And of course celebrities aren't
Speaker 3: rushing to change that narrative either. They play into it
Speaker 3: when it's beneficial.
Speaker 2: Is that what you do well?
Speaker 3: No, because nobody believes me when I say when I
Speaker 3: say who I am, I was like, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? When someone's like she's a body positivity god
Speaker 3: as wrong, Everyone's like, eh, if you say so, but
Speaker 3: you are. When I say, you can't cancel me because
Speaker 3: I know I'm proper, and it's like, but you're not problematic,
Speaker 3: you just have strong opinions whatever. Make myself uncancellable because
Speaker 3: I'm like, do not write narratives about me that are
Speaker 3: not true, and people stop writing about you so you're
Speaker 3: calling them out. I like that approach, Yeah, combative flex era, well,
Speaker 3: not combative. I just don't like how publications or writers
Speaker 3: are able to hide behind the ambiguity of a publication
Speaker 3: and be like, well, this is just how it's done.
Speaker 4: Bro. Literally, when I used to be a writer for
Speaker 4: a major like youth publication, if I was writing about
Speaker 4: a celebrity, I would just put the name of the
Speaker 4: publication literal view of the byline.
Speaker 2: But this should not be allowed.
Speaker 4: And then when you didn't and you had to put
Speaker 4: your name on it, it's like, why am I coping
Speaker 4: the fall if this person hates.
Speaker 3: It exactly, it's controversial, but you know this is the
Speaker 3: industry we live in. If you know anyone who's being
Speaker 3: woman or if you're aware of when you are womaning
Speaker 3: people to be more mindful of it, keep your offensive
Speaker 3: opinions in the group chat. I think that's very helpful.
Speaker 3: Be brutal, but in the group chat.
Speaker 2: I never want to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Period, This is flex and frooms on Kita.
Speaker 3: I need you to tell me, is this the most
Speaker 3: advanced or the most simple scam that you have ever
Speaker 3: heard of in your life? It goes by the phrase
Speaker 3: hi mum, it involves you know this one. We heard
Speaker 3: it over the weekend together as we were having a
Speaker 3: little dinner and I did some additional research. It a
Speaker 3: little bit different from what we were told, but it
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. So basically, the police have
Speaker 3: issued a warning over a new phone scam that praise
Speaker 3: on parents after at least twenty five victims have been
Speaker 3: identified to a fam for the hoax. I will say,
Speaker 3: I talked to my brother who works in it. He's
Speaker 3: worked with two clients last week who lost eighteen K
Speaker 3: and twenty five K with this scam. So it's effective.
Speaker 3: It's effective.
Speaker 2: So the scam.
Speaker 3: Pulls on the heartstrings of parents who would react without
Speaker 3: giving a second thought if their child needed financial support,
Speaker 3: and so far has cost Australia two million dollars.
Speaker 2: Police said.
Speaker 3: So if the scams belief to originate it on WhatsApp,
Speaker 3: I think in about January and it begins with a
Speaker 3: simple text message of a child, the scammer saying, Hey Mom,
Speaker 3: I've changed my phone, or I've broken my phone, or
Speaker 3: something's happened with my phone provider. So I'm temporarily using
Speaker 3: this new number. Now, very simple stuff, you know, Hey Mom, Hey,
Speaker 3: you going FYI? So delete the old number and save
Speaker 3: this new number.
Speaker 2: That's the first one. It's good.
Speaker 3: Then they start doing catch up, catch up. What I
Speaker 3: actually do is I'll read you a transcript from a
Speaker 3: text such I have here.
Speaker 2: Scammer. Hey Mom, it's me.
Speaker 3: I got a new number. You can delete the old one.
Speaker 3: Thumbs up heart. Mom says, which me is a question mark?
Speaker 2: Question mark? Question mark.
Speaker 3: Scammer says, your oldest and cutest child xx. Mom laughs,
Speaker 3: she loves it. A bit of a joke. Scammer says,
Speaker 3: I got a new phone. I'm still transferring everything. Mom says,
Speaker 3: good luck. Mom knows who it is the bat scammer says, also,
Speaker 3: I have a.
Speaker 2: Little problem that I can't solve. Can you help me
Speaker 2: with it?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Hant just got to work, but you can message for
Speaker 3: the best half hour or chat if you need.
Speaker 2: Literally sounds like my mum. Literally.
Speaker 3: The scammer says, well, because of the new device, I
Speaker 3: have to transfer all apps, but the banking app has
Speaker 3: put a twenty four hour security on the app due
Speaker 3: to a fraud. All nice, but I have to pay
Speaker 3: two payments. It's very annoying because I can't do anything
Speaker 3: about it. Could you possibly pay for me and I'll
Speaker 3: return as soon as possible. I'm really sorry to bother
Speaker 3: you with this. So what mom does? It sends you
Speaker 3: to payments and says okay, what do you need babe,
Speaker 3: and then it sends the payments across. Sometimes they ask
Speaker 3: for the bank details, like oh do you remember by
Speaker 3: bank details? I forgot them, And so suddenly they're mining
Speaker 3: all this data and getting bank details, this that PayPal
Speaker 3: links all of this stuff, and so basically what they're
Speaker 3: saying is that as the conversation develops, it always turns
Speaker 3: into a transaction of money of some sort. And because
Speaker 3: moms and online communication and the brevity of it all.
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh yea, I'm happy to help, and
Speaker 3: you're like, I can't. Can't them on the phone, Mums,
Speaker 3: you just text me. I'm really stressed. I'm really busy.
Speaker 2: Mum's like, okay, babe, what do you need. I'll transfer
Speaker 2: it right now. I got you, I got you.
Speaker 3: So that being said, I sent it to my mom
Speaker 3: because this is exactly what she looked for for. My
Speaker 3: mom has said to me, hand on heart, she loves
Speaker 3: when I ask for help because I never do it.
Speaker 2: She's like, finally, this is my time to shine.
Speaker 3: I once had this cube disiness and cube. I bought
Speaker 3: it second hand two thousand and one. Loved her just
Speaker 3: a bunch of problems, which resulted me calling my mum
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: She loved it. Oh yep, I'll come get you. Let's
Speaker 2: get me a caning together.
Speaker 3: Yet she yelled the mechanic for me. It was amazing,
Speaker 3: great bonding. But here you go. Beware, I can see
Speaker 3: that would work on more parents than not, especially like
Speaker 3: how much of the population is a mum thirty percent a.
Speaker 4: Lot, and we just want to take care of our kids,
Speaker 4: we as they say, But I have to send that around.
Speaker 2: I've heard you have to.
Speaker 3: I think definitely send it to your parents too, because
Speaker 3: I know for a fact, like my mum would jump
Speaker 3: at the chance to send me a little something something.
Speaker 2: Little cash bonus pass.
Speaker 5: Literally, you're listening to Flex and Frooms on Kita.
Speaker 4: FLEXI and I don't often see each other out of
Speaker 4: the studio. However, things changed last week. We were in
Speaker 4: a car together.
Speaker 2: Doing a job.
Speaker 3: Hold on, though we don't often see each other out
Speaker 3: of stud because we went to see each other once
Speaker 3: every couple of months to weekly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a big shift daily for good, for better,
Speaker 4: or for worse, matrimony. It's neither here nor there. We're
Speaker 4: in the car together. I'm driving now. I've been driving
Speaker 4: for nearly ten years now. I'd say I'm a relatively
Speaker 4: confident driver. I've definitely gone through periods of aggressive driving
Speaker 4: and normal driving. I kind of teeter between the two.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not a wallflower. When it comes together behind
Speaker 4: the wheel.
Speaker 3: Rimmy is on the road, let's drive. Can I paint
Speaker 3: a really clear picture of what it's like to be
Speaker 3: in the car with through me?
Speaker 2: Okay, nothing incriminating, No, nothing incriminating.
Speaker 3: I would just say that there is like a certain
Speaker 3: sense of confidence that is also like inherently dangerous.
Speaker 2: My girl, for me, is halfway in the other lane at.
Speaker 3: All times, I'm at least ten ten centimeters of the wheel.
Speaker 2: It's hanging over the next person's lane. I'm like, for me,
Speaker 2: get in your lane. She's like what, she's cruisy, She's
Speaker 2: what I've been. She's playing the tunes, playing the tunes.
Speaker 4: We we're in traffic together. The other day and I
Speaker 4: was behind one car at the green light. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 4: the red light. The red light turns green, and the
Speaker 4: person in front of us isn't moving.
Speaker 2: It had been two three seconds.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it was five. Yeah, and you're right,
Speaker 3: like it's a long time to not be moving. We
Speaker 3: are on schedule.
Speaker 4: We had a job to do, so I tooted instead
Speaker 4: of going I went to which I said, whoa, to
Speaker 4: which I said, what else am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: I like, babe, that was a lot to double two
Speaker 3: for just red turned green five seconds delay. I said
Speaker 3: it'd be customary. Didn with a like it lot. It's
Speaker 3: a little tap, it's something light. So they know, like,
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at you, I just know that I
Speaker 3: could get mad at you. So he's a fair warning
Speaker 3: go before I make you go the double be that
Speaker 3: gives the indication that we've been doing this. Let's your
Speaker 3: second go messing about. If I got a double, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, she wants to fight.
Speaker 4: No, I think the two it is like cute and sweet,
Speaker 4: Like have you ever done amp?
Speaker 2: No, because you haven't go on a b I'm gonna
Speaker 2: crank it. I don't think I've ever held anyway.
Speaker 4: I was vet the thing is I go today on
Speaker 4: the way here, Yes see, went into the lane big
Speaker 4: Mercedes ttruck behind me, screwed it in getting a.
Speaker 2: And I thought, it is what it is. We could
Speaker 2: have made it, we might not have made it. It is
Speaker 2: what it is. I would say.
Speaker 3: Within the first ten minutes of sitting in front of
Speaker 3: and sitting in from his car, I said, do you
Speaker 3: get beeped out a lot? Because I was just noticing
Speaker 3: some things that I personally would let slide because I
Speaker 3: don't want any problems. But I'm like, I'm so confused
Speaker 3: as to why more people aren't just like what is
Speaker 3: happening in this car?
Speaker 4: Because you know, what's more dangerous than a social stripe?
Speaker 4: So if driving is being a wallflower and just going
Speaker 4: do we'll.
Speaker 3: Definitely not a wallflower, I mean because you've spoken about
Speaker 3: at one point being a bit of a road rager. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm not a road but I have a few key phrases.
Speaker 3: One is what was the plan with that? They have
Speaker 3: a lot in What was the plan? Because I'm not upset, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just like that was very confusing, Like what was the
Speaker 2: plan with that? One?
Speaker 3: You've painted a very clear picture with how you drive,
Speaker 3: and I think it's directly correlated with your personality.
Speaker 2: You're a secret dominatrix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, secret domb pocket rocket vibe like ready to broil
Speaker 3: it all times, and I feel like for me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you don't want the smoke.
Speaker 2: If we have to smoke, I'm not giving up.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I want to do pacify until it
Speaker 3: gets to an aggressive level because I'm not backing down.
Speaker 2: And then you're yeating off theater.
Speaker 3: Yeah I will when I hit the The only time
Speaker 3: I hit a beep is when someone's done something dangerous
Speaker 3: and dumb do something dumb, do something dangerous.
Speaker 2: It can't be both. Would What do you consider dangerous?
Speaker 3: So dangerous for me is like let's say we are
Speaker 3: merging into an eighty kilometer per hour motorway and everybody's
Speaker 3: merging and you you gotta find your way into this thing.
Speaker 3: People who like do a sharp into the other lanestad
Speaker 3: of like getting their way in and taking the time necessary.
Speaker 3: I'm like a bit dangerous. You know what's dumb? Like
Speaker 3: speeding right up at an intersection and trying to turn
Speaker 3: either way. It's dumb. You're gonna hit someone, hit yourself,
Speaker 3: not sit coming like you can just wait. We're a
Speaker 3: an intersection. You will go in the next thirty forty
Speaker 3: seconds maybe a minute. Dangerous and dumb is like speeding
Speaker 3: not indicating at the same time, And I feel like
Speaker 3: be one not both facts.
Speaker 2: You know, well, we're both neither.
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate anytime you disclose I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: it's incriminating but humanizing information about yourself, because you're just
Speaker 3: painting a really, really lovely picture and it feels like
Speaker 3: you've been written by a team of really complex people
Speaker 3: who understand the nuancewers of what it is to be
Speaker 3: a person.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, of course.
Speaker 4: Flex and frooms Flex who is sitting opposite me.
Speaker 2: You can't see her, but you can hear her, I
Speaker 2: means a brain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are arm and shaped, good amount of what's
Speaker 4: the what's this slid space lid space verse, hooded, hooded
Speaker 4: eyes ish with a little slither of eyelid, which is
Speaker 4: quite nice, a slither. I am currently reading about attractiveness
Speaker 4: on what makes a human face attractive. It's a tailor's
Speaker 4: old as time itself, something that we're all striving for
Speaker 4: in our own little way. And I was with you
Speaker 4: the other day and you showed me a photo of
Speaker 4: your brother. Yes, Now, if you're anything like me, you know, Flex,
Speaker 4: you'll be sure that there are any other Hankens out there.
Speaker 2: Any other siblings or family. I can't imagine it. It
Speaker 2: was dropped from the sky.
Speaker 4: It would be eclipsed by your dominant personality in my mind, very.
Speaker 2: Confusing a younger sibling, I don't get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fleck is a younger sibling and has two older brothers. Now, Flex,
Speaker 4: show me her older brother, who I won't name, show
Speaker 4: me his Instagram And I thought, wow, that is an
Speaker 4: attractive man. And you guys look the same. But he's
Speaker 4: a man version. Yeah, And I was trying to figure
Speaker 4: out why.
Speaker 2: You want hizzled man version yeah, tall two yeah six
Speaker 2: two six two yes.
Speaker 4: Way perfectly perfect in every way. And I was looking
Speaker 4: at his eyes and I thought, that's what's so similar
Speaker 4: about them, their eyes, their eyes shape, and their eyes spacing.
Speaker 4: And I said to you, flex, I think it's the
Speaker 4: space in your eye between the inner corner and the.
Speaker 3: Pupil, Between the inner corner of my eye and my pupil.
Speaker 3: So imagine for a second, you've got a pair of eyes.
Speaker 3: You've got the pupils in the middle, but you have
Speaker 3: the space between the nose and the pupil. That's the
Speaker 3: little inner corner, the white bit of your eye. I
Speaker 3: have a theory that the bigger the white in the
Speaker 3: inner corner, the more attractive you are. I googled this
Speaker 3: because I thought this is quite confusing. I haven't heard
Speaker 3: of it before. And it's a thing.
Speaker 2: It's a thing. It's a thing. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 3: I know about Sampaku eyes, where you can see the
Speaker 3: whites of your eye below your pupil and above the
Speaker 3: bottom of your eyelid, so when you're looking straight ahead,
Speaker 3: there's white below your iris.
Speaker 2: But this is a bit different. What is this.
Speaker 4: I don't like that look, Okay, It is called interpupillary distance,
Speaker 4: which is how it sounds inter pupil distance between the
Speaker 4: pupils and the bit.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like the more distance there is between
Speaker 3: the two pupils.
Speaker 2: Generally the better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, got it, because further apart eyes are supposedly
Speaker 4: more attractive than close to us.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, so you think the middle or the right
Speaker 3: is the most attractive.
Speaker 4: The right is the most attractive where there's the most
Speaker 4: place between the pupils.
Speaker 3: I can see that this is a very specific thing
Speaker 3: for you to notice, especially straight away on me and
Speaker 3: my brother.
Speaker 2: Immediately, Oh, it's eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I can see, like when I
Speaker 3: look at attraction on people or qualities I find attractive.
Speaker 2: For me, it's a vibe.
Speaker 3: I'm not really good at singling out characteristics on faces
Speaker 3: that I find attractive. I just don't get it, especially
Speaker 3: because of how they look on different people. So I
Speaker 3: might say, I like big eyes, What are big eyes?
Speaker 2: Are they rounded? Are they Steve Buscemi big eyes?
Speaker 3: You have big eyes? Then you might say, are like
Speaker 3: small eyes? What are small eyes? Do we have small eyes?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You've talked about big noses before, and I'm like, but
Speaker 3: what is a big nose?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: Is it a wide nose? Is it like a hook nose?
Speaker 3: It's too confusing totally, And yeah, I'm not perceptive enough.
Speaker 3: But even when looking at this picture of this guy,
Speaker 3: which you could all see, it'd be very helpful, It
Speaker 3: would be so helpful. But yeah, it's like the further
Speaker 3: part the pupils, the more smoldering and enticing it is,
Speaker 3: which a siren medusa.
Speaker 4: If you want an example, look up Edward Cullen aka
Speaker 4: Robert Patterson.
Speaker 3: He has quite he has it too. That's like a
Speaker 3: track like as I just have him on my phone. Well,
Speaker 3: and you think you're a witch? This is crazy to me. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at him pupils. I need the diagram again.
Speaker 3: I need to see like can I see him? I
Speaker 3: need to see his pupils in and his pupils out
Speaker 3: for me to.
Speaker 2: Know wax damn.
Speaker 4: Well, that's like, go take a look in the mirror.
Speaker 4: I hope you enjoy what you see, and just think
Speaker 4: about that next time you're assessing faces.
Speaker 3: Think about more reasons to be attractive that you can't change.
Speaker 2: Spiral spiral flex and for rooms.
Speaker 4: I was at a party the other day Flexiti and
Speaker 4: I was talking to one of my best friend's boyfriends.
Speaker 4: His name is Harry, and he has a very particular
Speaker 4: way of taking a poopy and I got a voice
Speaker 4: note about it.
Speaker 1: I haven't not taken a shit cross legged in about
Speaker 1: four years, and since I started doing that, they just
Speaker 1: slide right out. Any conservation problems out the window across
Speaker 1: your leg. You know what I read on the internet.
Speaker 1: I read on the internet.
Speaker 5: It just works. Apparently, this is.
Speaker 1: How the summarizes to take shits in their armor. So
Speaker 1: they were a lot of armor and the only way
Speaker 1: they could.
Speaker 5: Take a shit is I had to do that.
Speaker 1: But actually at a lines of bows in the same
Speaker 1: way they attacking a squat lines your boughs because you're
Speaker 1: because he is going higher than your heir, So like lines,
Speaker 1: you spine with your boughs and it just slides out.
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, very believable.
Speaker 3: But I just don't understand the physical just.
Speaker 2: Like the ergonomics of it. Actually, what you're doing right now,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: Cross the other one on top, like if he's crossing
Speaker 3: sitting as if you were sitting on the floor and
Speaker 3: primary school, crossing both seat under each knee.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do that on a toilet seat.
Speaker 2: I don't have enough balance or seat space for that.
Speaker 3: Like this seat is quite big, true, but a toilet
Speaker 3: seed is quite narrow.
Speaker 2: How do you get both up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I guess you could to use this foot of support.
Speaker 4: Is that a tiny stool?
Speaker 2: Well? Is he petite tall man? He's talking? So they go.
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you want to do more clean snaps
Speaker 4: in the toilet, if you have the dexterity and the
Speaker 4: range of movement, I would suggest putting your knee, put
Speaker 4: your foot on the opposite knee, and kind of like
Speaker 4: in a figure four or a.
Speaker 2: Classic poop stool.
Speaker 3: If you don't have one, use any kind of seeing
Speaker 3: a shoe box to elevate your knees higher than your waist.
Speaker 2: It'll slide right out.
Speaker 3: Also, please please please do not strain. Resist the urge
Speaker 3: to strain and squeeze. It's really bad for your bows.
Speaker 3: Don't want to hemorrhage anything. What you should be doing
Speaker 3: is the ha technique. What's that as you are hooking
Speaker 3: and hucking, it will like move your sphincter in a
Speaker 3: way that will let your bows flow freely. So if
Speaker 3: you're on the toilet knees elevated ha ha you say
Speaker 3: that yeah, or you can motion it, but if you
Speaker 3: notice it'll like, if you feel your like your lower
Speaker 3: region moving in context with it, try it. It makes
Speaker 3: more sense. You've got someone to get out of your system.
Speaker 2: I always do.
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