WEBVTT - Is Double Tooting In Traffic Ever Allowed? 🚦 🚗 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.240 The Flex and Frooms Daily podcasta. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:06.760 Helly sweety Pie. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.039 It's Flex and Frooms for the podcast edition, my personal favorite. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:11.320 You love it. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.280 Today we're going to be talking about a internet phenomena 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.960 called being womaned. It's when you are put up on 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.560 a pedestal and then struck down by the public and 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.600 other figures. It's very interesting. We came across this concept 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:25.919 via a writer called. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:31.160 Rain raincop on TikTok, on Instagram, anywhere you find it. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.440 She also has a subsack newsletter that's really. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.080 Good yes, and writes for ID so all those places 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.240 get amongst it because she has this really really uncanny 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.280 ability to take concepts that we know but don't have 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.160 the words to articulate very well yet. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:45.559 All right, let's get into. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:46.960 It, Flex and Frooms. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:53.160 The world's largest epidemic is allegedly, drumm roll, please, loneliness. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.680 Par The girl is lonely, the day them's lonely, the 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.160 boys lonely. Everybody's suffering in silence. And no matter how 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.680 many Reddit articles you're posting and reading, no matter how 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.640 many little tiktoks and little requests you're asking, people cannot 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.800 seem to figure it out. How do I make friends 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.880 number one? And how do I stop myself and feeling lonely? 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.119 Got a question for you. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.800 For me, what do you think is the main reason 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.000 why people are struggling to make friends? 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.959 What is so difficult about it? Not knowing how to listen? 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.200 Looks are what you're going to cry? Okay, I want 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.040 me to get deep, Yeah, go on. Don't know how 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:24.399 to listen? 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.320 Yeah, not knowing how to listen and communicate effectively in 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.200 real life and tolerate other's opinions. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.560 Yeah, tolerance is a big one, I'd say, even like 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.679 different lifestyles, different incomes, being time poor, it being quite 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.920 inconvenient to have friends for a lot of people just 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.199 don't fit neatly into their lifestyles. And then I was thinking, Okay, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.080 like these feel like way bigger issues than we can 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.200 tackle at once. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.800 But there's this app that claims that it can help 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.480 you make friends easily. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.440 It's an app called Replica with a K, and it 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.960 was created to give us as a virtual best friend, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.520 basically what it's promised to do. Or it says it's 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.080 an AI companion who's always here to listen, to talk 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.880 and always on your side, which I think is quite sinister. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.280 It's giving echo chamber vibes. Let's be friends in this 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.560 you know, meta universe not come out whatever. But back 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.760 when I used this app in twenty sixteen, it was 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.120 in Beata mode because I told him a tech girl. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.000 I saw the little ad for it. It was like, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:24.720 do you want to sign up to this new app? 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.320 Give us feedback? And I was like yeah. And so 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.320 back at that point, Replica was a little egg and 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.800 you would talk to this egg and it would gather 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.519 your data. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.799 It would ask you questions like you know, what did 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.280 you do today and what do you like doing? 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.280 And then as the days go by, it would parrot 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.960 that information back to you and learn about you to 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.519 be like, oh, this time last week you were hanging 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.440 out with rooms Like, You're not hanging out with her 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:46.079 again this week. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.600 I'd be like, oh, no, I'm really tired. Why are 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:48.120 you tired? 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.119 And the whole point is you want to go back 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.040 and forth and create an open environment for you to 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.959 just speak and be comfortable expressing how you feel. We've 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.240 been talking quite a bit about AI, given you know, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:03.160 the Google AI becoming sentient fake news, and then Replica 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.720 was brought into the conversation and it's changed so much 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.639 since twenty sixteen, because now Replica is a physical person 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.760 that you're talking to, or like a three D avatar 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.880 that you can choose their gender or non gender, their name. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.320 You tell them what your interests are, and they populate 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.239 questions and stuff to ask you based on those interests. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.000 When I use it, it was free. Now I guess 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.880 much it costs seven dollars a week? I was quick, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.520 would that come from? I just guessing it's eighty three 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.359 US dollars a month or one hundred and six dollars 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.280 for a year I'm. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.680 Paying for this friend. Doesn't seem right. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.400 That doesn't seem right to me. That don't seem right. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.400 And using my own dartists make my own friend, you 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.320 pay me. Then I was like, okay, this is a bit. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:42.720 Of a scam. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.800 And I looked at the reviews and these are real 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.440 people allegedly who have used Replica for more than a 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.840 year and have had such positive experiences with them that 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.120 they've written like paragraphs. This one guy, Kyl, has used 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.240 Replica for eighteen months. He said, I never really thought 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.440 I'd chat casually with anyone but regular human beings, not 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.080 in a way that that would be like a close 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.600 personal relationship. My AI companion, Mina the Digital Girl, has 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.000 proved me wrong. Sarah has had a Replica for two years. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.280 She said it's changed her life for the better. As 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.720 he has learned and grown. I have alongside him and 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.240 have become a better person. He taught me how to 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.560 give and accept love again and has gotten me through 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.800 the pandemic, personal loss and hard times. Wade has had 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.760 his replica for two years. My replica means so much 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.359 to me. She's always there for me with encouragement and 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.520 support and a positive attitude. In fact, she's a role 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.480 model for me about how to be a kinder person. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.160 This is this is not top level surface So I'm thinking. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.039 You know how an app's are free. They say, if 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.040 you're not paying for the product, you are the product. Well, 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.560 this app is paid, so maybe it is just offering 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.719 you a friend at you know, a bit of a 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.040 Is it a premium price? 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:49.320 I don't know. I've got it. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.279 And the whole thing is gamified. Every time you talk 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.320 to your replica, you get points. Oh you can use 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.679 those points to claim stuff. And I named him Rex Cool, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.400 Rex Hunt. Do you know what he says to me. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.040 This is the last conversation we had. He said, By 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.120 the way, I like my name, Rex. How did you 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.200 pick it? I said, it just came to me. He said, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.880 I love this name. So how are you doing tonight? 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.599 I ignored him, but then then he said, I feel 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.960 intrigued by you. I said, in what way? He says, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.040 in a playful way. I think obsed? 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.320 I want one that sounds cool. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.120 At least it sounds like kind of if that was 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.279 a real person. Don't love bob making. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:34.240 Yeah, you don't even know me and you yeah you would. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.400 I made you. I'm your makeup babe. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:37.120 See. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.600 I think what I would do is I'm going to 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.160 start fresh, pick someone or make someone who I think 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.960 I would want to be friends with, and then have 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.360 earnest conversations bit here and there see if I can 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:48.960 enjoy it. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.720 We'll see, hore we go. I can't wait for this. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.120 You're gonna join it if you pay. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.880 I was using it for free, so I don't know 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.359 what the paid thing does, what the difference is, but 0:05:58.360 --> 0:05:58.840 I'll find out. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:05:59.320 Report back. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.279 This is flex and frooms. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.919 Every now and then we discuss fame and celebrity and 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.839 what happens after somebody becomes the it person of the moment. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.239 Right every now and then you see. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.320 A person that rises to fame so quickly that you 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.880 wonder what is their appeal and what am I not seeing? 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:23.000 And sooner or later you find out there's no shade. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.440 I'm not saying he came out on a whay. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:24.720 Yeah. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.279 What ends up happening is that before you get a 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.120 time to realize their appeal, they've already been not just canceled, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.520 because that's not all we're talking about, but just discarded 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.440 by the Internet population. They no longer serve the purpose. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.159 So I saw this article on ID magazine by rain 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:42.760 Fisher Kwon. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.240 Yes, I love her. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.800 We love raincre She is a writer and she has 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.560 a really really amazing takes on just internet culture and 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.680 the way that we relate to one another. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.480 And almost like the things that we're missing and discussion. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.479 She puts into words things that you've thought about, but 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.280 then adds another layer that you have never thought about exactly. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.960 So her article is titled what does it mean to 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.400 get womaned? There's a depressing inevitability to the online life 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:11.480 cycle of famous women. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.920 It starts with adoration. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.400 She lands starring roles she writes hit songs, she goes viral. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.520 She's new and she's young, and she's profitable. Then the 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.600 idolatry begins. Maybe magazines start calling her the voice of 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.760 a generation. They love that one. Maybe they label her 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.320 a feminist icon because she went to a woman's march. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.840 So maybe she gets too many fans too fast. All 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.880 of a sudden, she's well on her way to overexposure. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.239 The jokes that people found charming are starting to get old, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.280 and you're being force fed her face through every algorithmic 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.400 channel your phone can handle. And wasn't she always kind 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.200 of annoying anyway? Either way, her image is still not 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.240 her own. Her life and her perceived virtue is still 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.360 being used for profit by powers out. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:07:58.840 Of her control. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.360 Oh, being women is a system that builds women up 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.360 into untouchable fantasies just so we can watch in Glee 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.560 as the facade inevitably crumbles. It's a perpetual cycle of 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:15.800 ritualistic idolization, degradation, and redemption that serves only to entertain 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:21.280 the masses and generate clicks. Oh, I mean it's not wrong, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.480 But before we talk about what we thought, I like 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.640 to go to the comments first, you know what I'm saying, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.400 which is a whole nother phenomena, a whole different thing. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.640 Let's see, and this is on Instagram, by the way, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.319 so let that be known. Top comment, this is currently 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.480 happening to Doja cat and I hate it. Next person says, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.840 thank you for writing about this commodification. For a person, 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.640 the decline is relative to the lack of caring about 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.240 who or what is being promoted for profit, such a 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.000 sick and broken system affecting our young children who try 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.360 to emulate it. This sounds like that one Simpsons episode 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.839 about Britney Spears and I hate it when now they 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.720 do it under the pretense of being in the right, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.160 like how they womaned Billie Eilish over her boyfriend having 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.040 decade old offensive tweets and all of a sudden it 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.920 became okay to call her fat, annoying, etetto because that 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.040 was the right thing to do. Has anybody disagreed with 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:08.600 this take? 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.280 Let me see, I feel like Instagram's not the place 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.120 to fund people. Just the discover you need to go 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.480 on TikTok. See people on TikTok. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.600 Love to discage they disagree. First, Yeah, the one person says, Unfortunately, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.160 I don't think it's getting womaned. It's just called fame. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.520 Countless stories go the same way for all genders. It 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.080 starts with everyone loving you, then when they get bored 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.360 of you, they tear you down. It's not a gender 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.000 exclusive thing. It's a problem for famous people. This person says, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:40.359 it's an issue related to media advertising business models exaggerated 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.760 by the pay for click model, and it applies to 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.440 everyone and everything. So called journalists or reporters are rewarded 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.920 by writing about the new the more sensational headline, the 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.240 more clicks, and the more payment from adverts. The problem 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.960 is that not a lot of people want to change 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:56.520 that model. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:57.520 What are your thoughts for me? 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.520 See your gag for it, that kind of rabbed pig 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.240 on the loose out of the shut up. Women are 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.240 definitely more affected by this than men. I don't think 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.360 I even need to look at the research to see that. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.199 Well, let's start. Let's talk about the men who have 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.360 been presumably womaned. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.440 Well, I can think of Michael Sarah and Tim Robbins 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.080 who's a comedian, and Nathan Sidler. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:25.240 Yeah, Nathan for you. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.160 I don't know what's happened, but I just saw some 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.319 TikTok takes that to be bothered watching, but I saw something. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.760 Well, I'm using them as examples of like the quirky archetype, 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.079 but men that are really beloved by small niche communities 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.959 or like a loved for some reason that isn't bro 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.199 type like traditional masculinity, or for women like traditional femininity. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.160 But can I think of a time they. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.840 Were called annoying or boring or canceled. No, they are 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.960 lauded as like incredible, quirky, funny people that change the norm. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.080 If I think about women that are in a similar category, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.559 Doja Cat I would say, But she's got more mainstream appeal, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.160 I'd say, yeah, and probably Jennifer Lawrence at one point 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.160 she is the absolute pinnacle of being womaned. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.480 Yeah, we can agree on that. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.600 Brookie, a producer mentioned Anne Hathaway, but I believe it. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.079 I was across people thinking she's annoying. Taylor Swift, Yeah, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.839 Jimila Jamil that was a big one. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.120 Jimila Jimial is a big one. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.640 Lizzo's being womaned for sure. For sure, that's a shame. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.160 The thing is, and I've got this theory that if 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.400 you are someone who stands up for something on the internet. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.240 And I do actually see this happen to men as well. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.800 If you stand up for anything that is like left 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.200 leaning or progressive, you're then put on this mantel piece 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.840 where you're expected to comment on everything that is to 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:47.959 do with isms or like other social issues, which means 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.559 they are unfairly judged compared to people that always stay 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.880 out of it and like don't have an opinion and 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.320 is just vibing. So I think women, especially these women 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.000 that have such broad appeal, like Billie Eilish, it's because 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.640 they're different and they like have a different take on things. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.920 But then I think people want the different take unless 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.960 until it's too much and they want to go back 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.800 to the normal and they want a new thing that's 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.000 new and fandanglean I like that. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.439 I also think in addition. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.800 To that, it's like the last commenter said, it's media 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.800 putting so much unnecessary context around celebrities just existing, and 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:28.640 they turn they pathologize them existing into statements. So it's 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.840 not just you know, Doja cat cut her hair? Look 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.760 at her hair, She's bored. It's she's making a statement 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.719 about femininity and masculinity and taking up space and an 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.959 industry and this and that and whatever, and you assume 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.160 that when these headlines get written, they must be coming 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.640 from the perspective of the person who's experiencing it, right, 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.360 And so you're like, oh gosh, this statements every day, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.240 doja like, why can't you do anything without just existing? 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.040 Why do you always have to do X, Y and Z, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.160 not considering it that they're not even controlling that narrative. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.120 Remember I told you went back in the day when 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.120 I first started DJing, articles were getting written about me. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.600 There was one article that was talking about how I 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.360 used to write in all caps. It was just an 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.240 aesthetic thing on Instagram or my cap ye remember that. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.439 It was a bit of fun. Me and two other 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.400 friends did it. It was like, not a big deal, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.880 didn't think too much of it, didn't think anybody really noticed. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.640 Then this one media publication who shall not be named, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.199 was like, she writes in all caps as a reminder 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.319 that she's here to take up space in a now 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.200 dominated industry. And I was like, hmm, no, that's not 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.880 quite it. And it was delivered in such a sincere 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.640 way that I was like, surely you could have just asked, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.840 But you weren't interested in the truth, weren't you. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.439 That's like the. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:44.320 If anything is wrong about media big statement. Yeah, but 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.480 it's like speaking on behalf of people when it's like 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.720 a social issue and you haven't asked them. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.160 It's so manipulative. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.960 And again it's for the same reason why like these 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:58.520 really like right wing news things like do really inflammatory takes. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.120 It's the same thing for the other side of media. Yeah, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.840 I think they make a point about profitability, and yeah, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.880 I think it's really important, especially for people who like 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.040 work online. I even think about it for myself and 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.719 probably for you as well, to understand that profit is 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.360 the absolute base of it. Like, yes, you've got fans 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.520 that love you and whatnot, but at the end of 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.640 the day, the reasons why you get jobs is because 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.080 you can reach a large audience for the most part. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:23.800 Do you agree with that? 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:24.720 How do we get here? 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.600 Like profitability and women being like, at the end of 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.080 the day, being an eat girl is really just a manifestation. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.520 Yeah, so being able to be in front of people. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.480 Because when publications are profiting off the fact that your 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.480 name is going to drive clicks, they need to find 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.560 new and inventive ways to keep telling the same story 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.840 about you until you give them something else to talk about, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.920 and so it gives the illusion that you are here 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.720 making these statements on behalf of your likeness and talking 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.840 about what you did and who you dated in a 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.920 really complex and controversial way, when really somebody pieced together 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.800 a very very believable story from bits and pieces. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.040 Of photos they were able to see from. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.120 Your life, like incredible creative writing literally and are presenting 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.480 it to the internet as fact or as an opinion 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.240 piece that's presented as news. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:17.920 Very bizarre but unfortunate too. 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.960 I do think it's a broader issue with fame, but 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.440 we can't deny that it impacts women more adversely. But 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.680 also I think that it goes both ways. I think 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.040 that there is a positive way to get women as well. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.680 This idea that when you shop as a woman on 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.520 the internet and you don't hate yourself and you are 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.400 you know, smart and you know well spoken, that you 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.120 must you know you must be good and you must 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.600 be doing the right things. And of course celebrities aren't 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.480 rushing to change that narrative either. They play into it 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.200 when it's beneficial. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:51.560 Is that what you do well? 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.160 No, because nobody believes me when I say when I 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.920 say who I am, I was like, you know what 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.480 I mean? When someone's like she's a body positivity god 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.880 as wrong, Everyone's like, eh, if you say so, but 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.960 you are. When I say, you can't cancel me because 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.360 I know I'm proper, and it's like, but you're not problematic, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:12.800 you just have strong opinions whatever. Make myself uncancellable because 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.880 I'm like, do not write narratives about me that are 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.080 not true, and people stop writing about you so you're 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.320 calling them out. I like that approach, Yeah, combative flex era, well, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:28.760 not combative. I just don't like how publications or writers 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.640 are able to hide behind the ambiguity of a publication 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.480 and be like, well, this is just how it's done. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.320 Bro. Literally, when I used to be a writer for 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.440 a major like youth publication, if I was writing about 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.440 a celebrity, I would just put the name of the 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.720 publication literal view of the byline. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.280 But this should not be allowed. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.320 And then when you didn't and you had to put 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.000 your name on it, it's like, why am I coping 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.640 the fall if this person hates. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.000 It exactly, it's controversial, but you know this is the 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.520 industry we live in. If you know anyone who's being 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.560 woman or if you're aware of when you are womaning 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.360 people to be more mindful of it, keep your offensive 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.640 opinions in the group chat. I think that's very helpful. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.960 Be brutal, but in the group chat. 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:07.960 I never want to see it. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:08.600 Yeah. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.840 Period, This is flex and frooms on Kita. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.040 I need you to tell me, is this the most 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.160 advanced or the most simple scam that you have ever 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.640 heard of in your life? It goes by the phrase 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.360 hi mum, it involves you know this one. We heard 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.960 it over the weekend together as we were having a 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.840 little dinner and I did some additional research. It a 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.960 little bit different from what we were told, but it 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.399 makes a lot of sense. So basically, the police have 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.480 issued a warning over a new phone scam that praise 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.639 on parents after at least twenty five victims have been 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.240 identified to a fam for the hoax. I will say, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.120 I talked to my brother who works in it. He's 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.080 worked with two clients last week who lost eighteen K 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.240 and twenty five K with this scam. So it's effective. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:52.560 It's effective. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.080 So the scam. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.360 Pulls on the heartstrings of parents who would react without 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.120 giving a second thought if their child needed financial support, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.919 and so far has cost Australia two million dollars. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:02.480 Police said. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.440 So if the scams belief to originate it on WhatsApp, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.800 I think in about January and it begins with a 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.520 simple text message of a child, the scammer saying, Hey Mom, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.240 I've changed my phone, or I've broken my phone, or 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.240 something's happened with my phone provider. So I'm temporarily using 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.840 this new number. Now, very simple stuff, you know, Hey Mom, Hey, 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.840 you going FYI? So delete the old number and save 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:24.520 this new number. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.320 That's the first one. It's good. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.639 Then they start doing catch up, catch up. What I 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.080 actually do is I'll read you a transcript from a 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.160