1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: This episode of Two Good Sports was recorded on Warundry 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: and gadaguland this land was never seated, always was always 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: will be Hello and welcome Two good sports sports news 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: told differently. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: I am Georgie Tunny. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: And I'm maybe Jelmy and I'm not dead, which is 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: brand new news to everyone. Hi, geiz back. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, dear listeners would know I have missed you, Jelmy, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: Where the heck have you been? 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: Well? 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 4: As you know, George, I had a really fun condition 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 4: called high premises gravidarum, which sounds like a sounds like 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 4: a Harry Potter spell. And if that spell is pregnancy 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: with a side of nausea, vomiting and not being able 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: to get out of bed, that's what it delivered. So yeah, 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 4: we're very excited to be welcoming number two later this year. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: A new good sport in the family, a new. 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: Good sport to keep me busy. But it did. 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 4: It's just unfortunate that for me the first trimester comes 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: with a side of hospital three times a week, not 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: being able to leave bed, and it was, To be honest, 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 4: it was pretty scary. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: It was horrific. Yeah, I feel like you're sugarcoating. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: You're sugarcoating it somewhat like it sounds awful, but it 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: was genuinely so scary. 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: It's horrible. Yeah, it's the hardest thing I've ever done. 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 4: And those that have gone through high premeses, I salute you, 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 4: And again I appreciate that I'm one of the fortunate 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 4: ones that it tends to be the first trimester, so 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: eight weeks of feeling like you might be dying, and 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: then I sort of come out of it, whereas for 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: some women it's the entire pregnancy. 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, it's just it's so grim. It's pretty grim. 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 4: But again I would go through it a million times 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: if it meant that we have a happy, healthy baby, 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: which at the moment it looks like we do. 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just really nice to be back. 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: But I just wanted to let everyone know that that's 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: why Georgy and producer James couldn't explain where I was. 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 4: And a big thank you to Nevo, who I was 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: jealous that the two of you are catching up without me, 42 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: but that's fine. That obviously stood in and yeah, I 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 4: just I really appreciate it, and I really appreciate the support, 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: which is where I'm getting into my good Sport of 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: the week, and my god, I'm going to try not 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: to cry here, but. 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: Georgie Tunney, you are the most amazing person. 48 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 4: And I think during this whole ordeal where you can't 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: really tell many people what's going on, I had some 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: wonderful friends say let me know if I could do anything. 51 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: Your message just said I'm on my way. 52 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 4: And the way that you show up for people, given 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 4: that you are the busiest person I know. I don't 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 4: know if we've been mates for over a decade now, 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 4: which shows that we're really old, but I I just 56 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 4: appreciate you so much. And my bad sport of the 57 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: week is on dere Brubeleff, so I stopped crying because 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: he gave about as many tears at the bloody French. 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: Open and needs to grow up. 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: But no, I appreciate it, and I appreciate you, and yeah, 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: thank you, and I'm bloody excited to talk about this 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 4: week's topic because it was fun to think about anything 63 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: other than vomiting. 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 3: So let's do it. 65 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are so so gorgeous. 66 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: Of course, of course I was there. 67 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: I very much and readily accept your honor of good sport. 68 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: Also a good sport to Nevoens, who did step in 69 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: as well when we needed her. But jellmy, it's just 70 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: so fricking good to have you back. And can I 71 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: say bad sport for hyperremesis. I don't know if I've 72 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: said it right, but you get in the bin. Get 73 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: in the bin that condition, but also bad sport. Andre 74 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: Rubelev take the floor, jellmy, why are we mad at him? 75 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: Well? 76 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: I just think he just genuinely was a bad sport. 77 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: He absolutely spat it at the French Open. And when 78 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: you talk about scales of tennis players losing it like 79 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: we used to broken rackets and it's. 80 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: Kind of funny. 81 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: He was having a flat out tantrum, but at least 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: had the perspective that in the immediate post match was like, 83 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: that was bad. That was the worst that I've ever 84 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: performed and this is not okay. Yes I have a 85 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: good sport this week. 86 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: Jellmy, that's right for you. Yeah, it actually is, it 87 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: actually is. 88 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: But can I just say this was not planned because 89 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know you were going to say such wonderful 90 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: things about me. Thank you so much, but I wanted 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: my good sport is to my beloved Reese Walsh because 92 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: he held a press conference that was basically talking about 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: how important his friendship with Paddy Carrigan, his Broncos teammate. 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: They're both Queensland teammates. They'll be playing in the State 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: of Origin, which is coming up. But he was talking 96 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: about his friendship with Patty and he got really emotional. 97 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: And I've got a little clip here because I just 98 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: love it. It's not something that new age man how 99 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: anyone's ever described Reese Walsh. Now now he's got his 100 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: nails painted. Hold on, but take it away, take it away, 101 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: have a little listen. 102 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's massive a not just what he does for 103 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: me on the field. He you know, does a lot 104 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: for me off the field too, with my little one. 105 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: And that I'm going to be emotional, put me on 106 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: the bloody No, he's good. 107 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: Every time a little one sees him, she you know, 108 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 4: lights up and you know CAUs him Michael Patty. 109 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: So you know, our friendship's probably more than just the 110 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: rugby league one. 111 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, normalize crying about your friends. Normalize. 112 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: This is our campaign. 113 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: Because I tell you what, I've never seen a press 114 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: conference where someone other than when they're retiring but when 115 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: a male athlete is just openly crying or getting super 116 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: emotional about one of their teammates on a random I 117 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: don't know if this was a Tuesday, but let's call 118 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: it tuesday. 119 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: A random Tuesday. 120 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: For no other reason than someone asks him, Hey, what's 121 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: Patty like? 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: Like? What? 123 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: Love it? Love it? Good sport, good sport. 124 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 3: Thank you for. 125 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: Joining us on two good tissues. It's been a wonderful it. 126 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 4: But we if you want to have a cry. Melbourne 127 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: Rebels fans understandably a pretty upset this week, so we 128 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: better get into our deep dive because the Super Rugby 129 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 4: franchises in Australia have gone from five to four next 130 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: year and we want to know why. 131 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, jeemy, keep the tissues out, I guess because 132 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: what a tale of woe we are bringing you today. 133 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: Because over the years, many many professional sports teams have 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: come and gone. That's just a fact of what is 135 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: a very very brutal competitive industry. 136 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: Whether it was the expansion clubs failing. 137 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: To connect with local communities, teams running into financial trouble, 138 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: or sometimes, let's be honest. 139 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: It is all of the above, option A, B and C. 140 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: It is it is sometimes. 141 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Teams just don't survive, and Australia has one of the 142 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: most competitive sports markets in the world, especially in Melbourne. 143 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Just ask a Melbournian and they will tell you that 144 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: they are the sports capital of the. 145 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: Cosmos, and potentially beyond that we'd contest the universe. 146 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: But we'll take the Cosmos for now. 147 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: To infinity and beyond that is every Melbournian when it 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: comes to them telling you about how much they love 149 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: their sport. 150 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: Now, it's still rare enough that when we do lose 151 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: a team. 152 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Though, it really is kind of a big deal. And 153 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the latest club to get the axe is the Super 154 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: Rugby team, the Melbourne Rebels, And tell me not gonna lie. 155 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Let's be honest for our dear listeners, because that is 156 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: what we can always promise to do and promise to be. 157 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: If you are there listening to us right now, thinking now, 158 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: hold on a second, which ones are the Rebels? 159 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: What do they do well? 160 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: That probably explains a lot, and that's probably why they 161 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: have not been able to survive. 162 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people couldn't draw for you 163 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: a Rebels guernsey. Oh yes, in Melbourne, Like if you've 164 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: got the texts out and said, give us. 165 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: An idea of the colors. They wouldn't know. And it's 166 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: not the rebel true fault. 167 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: There's a general apathy towards rugby union in Australia right now, 168 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: be it the Wallabies or Super Rugby. 169 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: It's real. 170 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: It's tangible, or at the very least it's not tangible 171 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: because the care just isn't there. And it can probably 172 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: best be highlighted by the void of media coverage and 173 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 4: outrage and the news that the rebels were being axed, 174 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: because as much as it was sort of there, it 175 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: certainly wasn't the main feature on the back page the 176 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: day of the announcement. 177 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: I know that we were actually surprised, Jellmy, because we, 178 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: as investigative journalists, did our due diligence and found the 179 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: back pages of the newspapers in Melbourne and went to 180 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: be like, now, how far do we have to turn 181 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: back before we see this rebels news? 182 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: And it was to be fair to them on the back. 183 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Page, but it was a postage stamp, like it was 184 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: so tiny, hidden in a corner. 185 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 4: Because an AFL player had sneezed that day and it 186 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: was blown up. 187 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: On the back page. 188 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: So it is As we said, it is a competitive market. 189 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: But the thing that just makes this really ironically tragic 190 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: is for the first time in their fourteen year history, 191 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: the Rebels are into the post series. 192 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: They've made the finals for the first time. 193 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: They've been punching up because over their fourteen seasons their 194 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: win record has been thirty two percent. It hasn't been 195 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: a happy hunting time for the Rebels. They haven't been 196 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: an overly successful team. And the one thing that we 197 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 4: know about Australians is we like winning. If your win, 198 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 4: we're gonna get on board. 199 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: We're a bet of a fairweather fan base, aren't we 200 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: like We love We love everything, love everything. If there 201 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: was a paint drying competition, we're gonna watch it so 202 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: long as we win. 203 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 4: We've just likened rugby to paint drying. That's where we've 204 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: got to this point. But at Two Good Sports, we 205 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 4: did commit at the start of this that the premise 206 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: was if there was a sports headline that's been glossed 207 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: over and you haven't really had the nitty gritty explained, 208 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: Georgie and I are here to explain it to you. 209 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: So we are going to go into a deep dive 210 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: of exactly what is going on with the rebels and 211 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: why they've come to a demise. Why is it that, 212 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 4: for whatever reason rugby couldn't survive at the highest level 213 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 4: in Victoria when there are so many sports fans here. 214 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: But what's next for super rugby and why does it 215 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: seem that the system is a little bit broken compared 216 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: to that of AFL but perhaps the better comparison NRL 217 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: because rugby league didn't have a huge following here in 218 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: Victoria before the Storm became a massive hit and by 219 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 4: hit I mean the trophy cabinet. 220 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: It is a full. 221 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: They really really are the prime example of success equating 222 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: to loyalty, Like if you can win, you can bring 223 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: fans along for the journey, you can build a bandwagon 224 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: for them to jump upon. And the Melbourne Storm because 225 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: the club has had great success in how it's run, 226 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: They've had great success in who they've chosen as a coach, 227 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: They've got great systems in place, they have invested to 228 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: keep those systems going and therefore the success has lasted, 229 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: it's been sustained and that's something that really I would say, oh, 230 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: most of every rugby union team in Australia based in 231 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: Australia has not been able to do, and the Rebels 232 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: are just the latest example of that. 233 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: But let's give you a snapshot of Super Rugby for 234 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 4: those of you who may or may not be disconnected 235 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: with the league, because let's be honest, it gets zero 236 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: coverage here in Australia. There are twelve teams, five of 237 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: which are Australian. 238 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Yes, and which if we put that comparatively right, five 239 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Australian teams part of this competition. I mean the NRAL 240 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: I know it is, and the AFL are Australian leagues, 241 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: but that's them competing with seventeen teams in the NRL 242 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: eighteen teams in the AFL. 243 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: Slightly different, slightly than one couldn't exist in Victoria. But 244 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: it's an eighteen week competition ninety one matches in total. 245 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: The teams play fourteen regular season matches each to host seven. 246 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: But the competition basically happens across the world, and we 247 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 4: at the moment in the scope of their season, are 248 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: on the verge of the finals. Yes, so it's a 249 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 4: really intense time in Super Rugby. And again the Rebels 250 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: are about to play in their first finals ever, so yeah, 251 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: my heart just goes out to the players who are 252 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: now thinking what does next year look like. But the 253 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: Rebels were established in two thousand and nine and played 254 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: their first season of Super Rugby in twenty eleven. Their 255 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: home is at Amy Park, of which if you're not 256 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: familiar with Melbourne, it is in the. 257 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: Right hub of AFL A league. 258 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: There's so much sport that happens in that one packet's 259 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 4: across the road from John Cane Arena, which is where 260 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 4: the basketball's played. If you're going to watch sport in 261 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 4: that little circle near the mcg, I mean you've even 262 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: got the o's open there. They're right in the thick 263 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: of it. 264 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: And so this for me is something which I find 265 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: very interesting is that the Rebels part of what has 266 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: led to their ultimately their demise now because there's an 267 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: argument to say that, you know, they have struggled for 268 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: their whole fourteen seasons and this is technically their most 269 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: successful season because they are going to be playing finals 270 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: for the first time. But they have so much debt, 271 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: they have spent so much money, they have cost Rugby Australia. 272 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: So much money. 273 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: When news broke that they were finally going to be 274 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: disbanded and they were making the call that no, we 275 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: are not going to continue with this franchise. I think 276 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: it was like twenty three million dollars worth of debt 277 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: that the Melbourne Rebels were in that Rugby Australia was like, 278 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: we cannot continue to prop you up. And when that 279 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: news broke they went into liquidation in January of this year. 280 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: So again they're trying to remember when the Super Rugby 281 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Pacific season was starting. That's what this competition is called 282 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: because there's teams from New Zealand and also Fiji. 283 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: Part of it. 284 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: But they were trying to boost the coverage of that. 285 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: Right. 286 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: You talk about how there's no media coverage gentmy, and 287 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: that's because arguably there's no good news stories. And that's 288 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: crazy when you think you have a Fijian team that 289 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: wins a lot of the time and that's such a 290 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: good news story when. 291 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: It comes to and the community shots are always incredible. Yes, 292 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: if you go to the Fijian communities and you look 293 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 4: at the games and the kid it's made for Tellion, 294 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: but perhaps not made for Australian television. 295 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: Yes yes, but it should be. It should be. 296 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: We should be wanting to follow these human stories, but 297 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: they can never fight their way to a headline because 298 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: you're talking about the disastrous things that are happening, like 299 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: the Melbourne Rebels going into liquidation at the start of 300 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: the season. 301 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: And the fact that the auditing giant PwC found out 302 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: that not only were they twenty three million dollars in debt, 303 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: they had seventeen thousand, three hundred dollars in the bank, 304 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: which doesn't get your car these days, and a handful 305 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: of assets. And Rugby Australia at that point took over 306 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: the competition license and to their credit, so at the 307 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: time of liquidation all of the employees got made redundant. 308 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Rugby Australia then incurred the cost of putting eighty percent 309 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: of those people back on, also paid out the player 310 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: contracts and said, right, something needs to happen here, especially 311 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: because of the debt owing to the tax office to 312 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 4: the tune of eleven point five million dollars. And the 313 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: tax office doesn't care about the romanticism whether a club 314 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: lives or dies, They just want to know that it's 315 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: financial viable. And one point one four million is owed 316 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 4: to Melbourne and the Olympic Park Trust to operate and 317 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 4: own Amy Park and they be sitting back saying rid, oh, 318 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: what is the plan here? So in early May, and 319 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: this is the clincher, business magnate Lee Clifford was brought 320 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: in to lead a private equity consortium that promised to 321 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 4: pump I've heard it's up to the tune of eighteen 322 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 4: million into the club to keep it surviving beyond twenty 323 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 4: twenty five. And this consortium was claiming that they were 324 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: basically we're going to come in, We're going to save it. 325 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: There's going to be a bargaining agreement, we've got all this, 326 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: We're going to raise money and capital. 327 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: Let's save the rebels. 328 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: So Rugby Australia, according to CEO Phil War said they 329 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: needed to address five key areas financial viability, bloody important, 330 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: governance and risk, commercial strategy, high performance which is a 331 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: massive one, and growth of the game. Yeah, and growth 332 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: of the game is the one that Rugby Australia keep 333 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 4: coming back to because honestly, with where there are at 334 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: the moment, it is dire across rugby in Australia at 335 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: the moment, So they need to start from the ground 336 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: up and grow the game. But it seems to be 337 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: a consistent story within Rugby that the funds are asked 338 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 4: for in certain areas, and that was one of the 339 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 4: arguments that has now come out about the rebels saying 340 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: well said they were going to support certain programs that 341 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 4: they weren't financially back to the level that they were. 342 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 4: Because this all came to a head last Wednesday when 343 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: the consortium, so the big business that came together saying 344 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: we're going to fix this, invited Rugby Australia into an 345 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: online data room in the most twenty twenty four sentence 346 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: I've ever said, to view documents addressing the points and 347 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: outlining basically their plan to rescue the club. The proposal 348 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: was supported by the administrator, so that liquidation company were like, yeah, 349 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: we can get around this, but Rugby Australia and the 350 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: ATO voted against the deal at the creditors meeting, and 351 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: the news broke on Thursday that the club would be 352 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: act So they had a meeting and essentially said look, 353 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 4: we can see what you've tried to do here, but 354 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: this isn't viable. And among the issues, the modeling showed 355 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: that the new consortium would be loss making until twenty thirty. 356 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: And that's key, right, because I mean you're talking about 357 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: a bankrupt club essentially, but you are also talking about 358 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: a league and a code that is financially really really struggling, 359 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: so they actually just can't afford to have it take 360 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: that long. 361 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: And it also meant RA needed to issue a license 362 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: again and they were like, we're just not so sure 363 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 4: about this. 364 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: So there were layers to it. 365 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 4: But according to RA, the Rebels have never been independently 366 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 4: financially stable, which is what you said, George, Like, when 367 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: we talk about this, you could argue that it dated 368 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 4: back fourteen years and this has all been an experiment 369 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: by Rugby Australia to see how rugby would go in Melbourne. 370 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 4: But they're just not convinced that with this new consortium 371 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 4: that it's going to work. And Phil Wore, who's the 372 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: CEO of Rugby Australia, who has spoken the poor bloke. 373 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: He has had a lot of press conferences where he's 374 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: had to. 375 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: He's new, he's a new CEO, he's a Wallaby's legend, 376 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: took over the sinking ship and my god, have has 377 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: he already been making his money? 378 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: Because he has been in front of a camera more 379 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: often than. 380 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: Not and a really fun fact. 381 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: In their first game fourteen years ago he played against them. 382 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: He was playing for the Wartars against the Rebels. Great 383 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 4: as well, who has been entrenched in this from the beginning. 384 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 4: Phil war obviously wants the success of rugby and he 385 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: was speaking on sen and he was very candid about 386 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: the fact that they were still going to be growing 387 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: rugby and Victoria. 388 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: We're not forgetting about Victoria. 389 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: It's just that we need to be responsible and here 390 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: was the summary of his argument. 391 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 5: We'll still be putting a lot of rugby content into Melbourne. 392 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 5: So we had eighty four thousand people at the Birthsday 393 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 5: Cup at the MCG last year. We got the two 394 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: of two lines games in Melbourne in twenty twenty five, 395 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: and then we've got a Rugby World Cup, so we'll 396 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 5: still be seeing world class rugby in Melbourne. I think, 397 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 5: as I said since taking on the CEO role, we 398 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 5: need to be fiscally responsible as the governing body. My 399 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: role in leading Ruggy Australia to ensure that we're making 400 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 5: sensible commercial decisions and the cost for us to run 401 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 5: the Rebels from as Rugby Australian twenty twenty five was 402 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 5: too high, and the financial risks with the assumptions in 403 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 5: the Consortium's proposal were too high, which left us with 404 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: no other choice but to remove that risk and ensure 405 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 5: that the game is well set up for the future 406 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: across the country, which will include Victoria. 407 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: Do you know what it makes sense? It makes sense right? 408 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: What are you saying there? I think completely makes sense. 409 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: But what it makes me think about is when you 410 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: bring the British and Irish Lions to Australia next year 411 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: and you're going to have them play a game in Victoria. 412 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: When we are hosting the Rugby World Cup in twenty 413 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: twenty seven and twenty twenty nine our women, and you're 414 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: going to be having games and maybe finals being hosted 415 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: by Victoria. 416 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: If I mean, we can only hope. 417 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: Let's manifest if Australian teams did well and the Wallaby 418 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: somehow won those ventures right, and you engaged a Victorian 419 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: audience and they thought, great, how can I support rugby 420 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: in this country. You've taken away the team, You've taken 421 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: away their access to that There's not going to be 422 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: a pathway for them to readily jump aboard and beyond 423 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: that bandwagon. 424 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: There's no bandwagon. 425 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 3: Now. 426 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: I mean it's such a run and jump to think 427 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: that Australia is going to be a success at a 428 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 4: World Cup given what we've witnessed. 429 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: I mean I called, I said they're going to win 430 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: the Bledislo this year, which they still could. 431 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 4: I mean, you do make some outrageous calls and the 432 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 4: fact you just repeated that I wouldn't be if I 433 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: was you. 434 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: But that's fine. 435 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: But okay, So we've heard from Rugby Australia essentially saying 436 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: what the consortium put forward had too many risk factors. 437 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: We just aren't in a position we need to be responsible. 438 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 4: What are the rebels saying, Because if you listen to 439 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: executives and all the whispers that we're hearing out of 440 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: the rebels, this is far from over in their minds, 441 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 4: and that they had a very fair and they thought 442 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 4: valid proposal to be able to save the club. So 443 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: this is the rebels Director of Rugby, Nick styles on 444 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 4: Sen discussing, and this was something that I found interesting. 445 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: Why is there a different setup for rugby Union or 446 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: Super Rugby then there is for NRL and AFL and 447 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 4: what does that actually look like? 448 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: So let's have a listen. 449 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 6: Rugby Australia looked at the sort of consortium and felt 450 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 6: they weren't weren't financially back to the extent that they 451 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 6: probably needed to be. And and they've said there was 452 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 6: a few things there and governance that they didn't know. 453 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 6: But for me, we need to look at different models 454 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 6: at the moment. As I've said before, you know every 455 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 6: team in Australia is struggling financially. The model in Australian 456 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 6: rugby is that, you know, Rugby Australia sits over the 457 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 6: top of everyone and then each state effectively owns it team. 458 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 6: And we're in a confederated governance model in Australian rugby. 459 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: And I think that the sporting codes that have really 460 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 6: progressed forward in AFL and NRL have changed that federated 461 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 6: model into more of a system where there's a commission 462 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 6: that drives the game forward. And the model is I 463 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 6: believe broken, and this is probably disappointing that we had 464 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 6: a different, different setup that was being proposed that could 465 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 6: really change the game. 466 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: Ah confederation model where the states don't agree. George, you 467 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 4: remember that episode we did on Swimming Australia. 468 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: Oh, it is given a swim in Australia, isn't it, 469 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: And the fact that nothing could really be done or 470 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: they were. 471 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: Just in stalemates because they had their own vested interests 472 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: rather than overall overarching commercial viability. And we just compared, 473 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: perhaps unfairly Rugby Australia to AFL. But as of twenty 474 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: twenty two, Rugby Australia's revenue was one hundred and twenty 475 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: nine million, and I think that would be enerous compared 476 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 4: to twenty twenty four it was just fourteen percent that 477 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 4: of the AFLs that year, my god, which is nine 478 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: hundred and forty four million. 479 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: Nearly a billion dollars. 480 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: I feel that for Nick Styles there, director of rugby 481 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: at the Melbourne Rebels what I of course, he has 482 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: to fight for this team, right because it's his livelihood, 483 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: it's his staff's livelihood, it's a player's livelihood. 484 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: So of course I expect that of him. 485 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: What I wanted to see there or hear there was 486 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: some kind of responsibility being taken as well too, right 487 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: because the club itself, he can be talking about all 488 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: the plans that they have in place for them to 489 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: build and eventually that's the key word. Eventually obtain financial sustainability. 490 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: But this has been a lemon, a financial lemon for 491 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: the last fourteen years. It has had hand out to 492 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: this team. So where has that money gone? There has 493 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: to be some level of mismanagement which I don't actually 494 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: think has been truly acknowledged by the rebels Cohort themselves 495 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: when we go to thinking about a a federation now 496 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: and what needs to be a complete overhaul essentially of 497 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: how rugby union is run in this country and if 498 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: you are looking for a more centralized model. Again, I 499 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: don't see any evidence that the teams themselves, so those 500 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: major stakeholders are on board. 501 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: Maybe in New. 502 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: South Wales with the New South Wales Warritors we're seeing that, 503 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: but I mean in WA. 504 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 4: So they've also been taken over by Ray that's the thing. 505 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you talk about WA right, the Force like 506 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: that was another team that was axed in twenty seventeen. 507 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: They're now back after COVID. They were able to get 508 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: their way back into the competition when it changed. 509 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 4: To COVID after tweety Forrest was like, no, you don't, 510 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: here is my wallet's everything? 511 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: Take them back. 512 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: But they are right in some extent, well, their argument 513 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: is it's like, well we have very different factors right 514 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: in Wa. As you would know Jelby, Wa likes to 515 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: see itself as a different state. I can say that 516 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: because I'm Queensland and Queenslander I think the same thing 517 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: as a different country. Rather they're not at a different state. 518 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: But there's still so much miscommunication. I'm not seeing anyone 519 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: that's truly willing to help themselves and help each other out. 520 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: The one thing they universally agree on, and that Nick 521 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 4: Styles did stay at the start of that interview was 522 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 4: rugby Australia and rugby in Australia is struggling and they 523 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 4: have a lot of issues and rugby Australia is in 524 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 4: a really difficult position. 525 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: And I think that that is universally accepted. 526 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 4: And what else is universally accepted and we're yet to 527 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: find out, is no one can afford for this to 528 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: go to court. Oh yeah, because court means money. 529 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: There's a rumor that it might actually happen, right, that 530 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: they'll contest this. 531 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: Phil War's gone. Well, let's ideally not. 532 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: When the premise of this is that we want we 533 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: want the money that we were going to put forward 534 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: for the Rebels if we were to bolster this team 535 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 4: to actually go into grassroots rugby where it's desperately needed, 536 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: and any money towards this process that takes away from 537 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 4: grassroots is detrimental to growing our game, which we have 538 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: decided after a long period and these were his words 539 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 4: of trying to be everything to everyone, we've failed and 540 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: we now need to turn around and go how can 541 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 4: we best invest what we do have in making success 542 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 4: for rugby going forward? And my goodness, do they have 543 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 4: to have one eye on a World Cup in twenty 544 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 4: twenty seven and the fact that finally, finally, we need 545 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: to start having good news stories about rugby in Australia 546 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 4: because you know, for a podcast that's been running for 547 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: a couple of seasons, we sound like rugby bashes absolutely. 548 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: Just actually, do you know who does? 549 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you know who gives us something happy to talk 550 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: about the women's teams and rugby women's teams because the Olympics, Yes. 551 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: So good from you, Because it is really important to 552 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 4: note that the Rebels women's team is separate to. 553 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: This, Yes, and there's a chance that is going to survive. 554 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: They will keep propping that up and I hope that 555 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: they do, but also pulls into focus about how once. 556 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: Again women have to save the day. 557 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: They got to save the day. 558 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: So when it comes to the Paris Olympics, our rugby 559 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: seven's team, bloody hell, if they win gold, that is 560 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: the best pr that they could possibly do to help 561 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: their male counterparts, I'll tell you what. 562 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 2: And also the rugby. 563 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: In terms of the women's fifteens team, they are the 564 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: perfect example of building a love for the game because 565 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: you talk about good news stories that comes when you 566 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: love the game. And right now with the state of 567 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: rugby union in Australia that has got lost, there are 568 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: no pathways because it is really really hard right There's 569 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: no dreams that administrators have, the officials, the people at 570 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: the helm have been able to build for all the 571 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: juniors coming through that they want. 572 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: To chase because the product itself. We saw that at 573 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: the World Cup last year. The Wallabies looked. 574 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: Dead in the eyes when they got thumped by Whales, 575 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: and so. 576 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: You're dead in the We all did, We all did. 577 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: But that's just showing that everyone. It doesn't look like 578 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: a fun game to play, so why would it be 579 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: a fun game to watch? 580 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 4: I think the thing that's most harrowing for me is 581 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 4: that they had us and they've lost us in one generation. 582 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: Australians are disengaged in the game. 583 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 4: And the good thing is it's happened in such a 584 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 4: short period of time that hopefully the snapback can be 585 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 4: just a swift yeah, because hopefully you've still got the 586 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: guernsey somewhere. 587 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 3: It might not fit anymore. 588 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: But Draff, you can dig it out because they were 589 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: really really wonderful times and it is a great game. 590 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: But if you do somehow if you're one of the 591 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: few people that have the Melbourne Rebels jersey, unfortunately, this 592 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: is not your time. 593 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: It's a collector's item. It's a collector's item. 594 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Hey, you might come back. The fourth came back. There 595 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: could be there could be a challenge. 596 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: And our thoughts are with the Rebels players because can 597 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: you imagine they're in Fiji at the moment. They played 598 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 4: the final round and they got belt. They've now lost 599 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: five games in a row as well, so it's just 600 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 4: not been a happy time. But they have qualified for 601 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: the finals, so they have made the Final eight. They're 602 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: going to be making their first appearance. But it's just 603 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: such an unnerving time and again it's not a great 604 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: advertisement to get into rugby in Australia. 605 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: No, no, it's not, and that's why they need things 606 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: that they need to turn things around quickly and hopefully, hopefully, 607 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: if we'll take a realistic lens of this, maybe cutting 608 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: off such a financial suck could. 609 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 4: Help short of Rugby Australia burning down. I promise you, 610 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 4: our dear two good sports listeners, our next rugby story 611 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: is going to be upbeat. 612 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: It's gonna be upbeat or nothing. I'm bringing bringing positivity. 613 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: We will do some sort of Olympic special on how 614 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: amazing our rugby sevens are and if the Fijians win, 615 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: we're going to tell you how great the Fijians are 616 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: because we, despite what you may believe from all evidence 617 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: suggesting the country, we don't want to be rugby bashes. 618 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: It's just that these are. 619 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: The headlines that we've had to explain to you over 620 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: the last two years, and we are hopeful. 621 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: Damn. 622 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to go so far as say we are 623 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: optimistic that the Wallabies and Rugby Australia can turn this around. 624 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: With the calendar that we have on the horizon, continue 625 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: bringing rugby to Melbourne. Maybe not at a super rugby level. 626 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: But I just think, you know what, I'm going to 627 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: vote with my feet. Next time the Wallabies are here, 628 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: I'm going to go to all game Georgia. You're welcome 629 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 4: to come produce it. 630 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: I will bring your hat. 631 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 4: And I think that we need to start going and 632 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 4: engaging and be the difference that you want to see. 633 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: Tell me my gift to you on your return. It's 634 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: your favorite time. 635 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: A love a fun fact? You know this? How did 636 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 3: you know she loves a fun fact? 637 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: Well, jellmy, this is a special one because it is 638 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: on brand, on theme, because that's what we do here. 639 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: In June two thousand and nine, Wallabies flanker Phil Wore, 640 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: who if you've been listening, dear listener, is now the 641 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Rugby Australia CEO was named in the Australian team. So 642 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: the Wallabies that was set to face the Barbarians. 643 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: Isn't that a great name? 644 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: It's just a stunning name, the Barbarians in Sydney. 645 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 4: It makes me hand the the Rebels and the Crusaders 646 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: at a pub, you feel like. 647 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: You need to go hear ye, hear ye? 648 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: How good? 649 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: How good? 650 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: I was thinking of Gladiator was like please. 651 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: Welcome the Barbarian hold. 652 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: And you're like, no, Russell Crowe, please survive. 653 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 4: Anyway, Russell Crowe would have been great at rugby side 654 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: note Oh yes, I mean I know that he's mister League. 655 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: He could have Seister League. 656 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I could. 657 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Sid sidebar Now you've got me thinking, I'm like, oh yeah, 658 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: maybe he could be a flanker. So the Barbarians, yes, 659 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: great name, but they're essentially an All Stars team right 660 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: Like in my mind it's kind of like if the 661 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: All Australian team actually played a game. 662 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 4: Still point, still point that we don't have Stadia and 663 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: All Stars, but sure. 664 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: They have the world right to choose their players from. 665 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: And this is how elite this team is. So the 666 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: Wallabies we're going to be taking on the Barbarians. In 667 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, Phil war was going to play 668 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: for the Wallabies, but such was his form that Phil 669 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: was also named in. 670 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: The Barbarian side, so he had a choice to make. 671 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 4: He's been invited to two weddings, which one is the 672 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: rsvping too his. 673 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: Own or his best mates? 674 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 3: Which one which I. 675 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: Mean obviously because he ends up CEO of Rugby Australia 676 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: Australia took preference right ahaha. 677 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: No, no, Phil took the once in a lifetime opportunity 678 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: to play for the Barbarians against the Wallabies. 679 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 4: Ah So the issues with rugby Australia can date back 680 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: to June two thousand and nine. 681 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: Oh I should you and I have had. 682 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: A bit to do with Phil wore back in our 683 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: fosh school stage and he is a delightful human being 684 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 4: and we only wish him more upbeat press conferences in 685 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 4: the future. 686 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 3: Will I now call him Barbarian? Sure? 687 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: Sure, sure because fun fact he decided to play against 688 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: the Wallabies and be in the Barbarians. 689 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: I love that it was a one off match, but 690 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: I love it. 691 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: I love it so much. I Phil, thanks for listening, 692 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 3: h I. 693 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: Phil, give us a call if he need some help, 694 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: jell me. Welcome back, welcome back. It's been so nice 695 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: having you back. 696 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: And also sure it was more orderly without me. 697 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: I'm sure the edit was easier without us just absolutely 698 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 4: losing it. But this is I've missed it terribly. It's 699 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 4: so nice to be back. 700 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to two good Sports. As always, 701 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: please follow us on Instagram if you haven't already. What 702 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: are you doing at two good sports podcasts and make 703 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: sure you do subscribe to the show, follow the show, 704 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: and leave us reviews. We'd love to know what you think, 705 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: but please let them be positive. Reviews positive. 706 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll catch you next week, but 707 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: until then, be a good sport.