1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, there's drama in the Chantelle 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Duncan camp, Prince Harry shares text messages that re spark 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Dresskate TikTok pool wars at the Calaisle Hotel and jen 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: z It Girls Glamorizing, sun Baking. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert and we need 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: your help. So for the last hour or so, we 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: have been sitting around trying to work out what songs 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Amy and Sophie and the other bridesmaids should be walking 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: into at the reception, because we've decided that all the 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: girls want to walk in together. Because sometimes it's a 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: bit awkward at weddings when you partnered off with the 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: groonsman who you've never met before, and you're supposed to 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: have this song that you come in together. I always 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: find it to be awkward, particularly when you've all got partners. 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I love when we explained last night to Mum and 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: Dad that people actually walk in and do like a 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: little dance when they're introduced, and Mom and Dad's faces 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: were like, what as if that was like the naffest 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: thing ever. And I suddenly realized why we are the 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: way we are because we're nervous. We don't dance into 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: things like sof and I don't know what to do 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: when we enter. You need a few shots of alcohol, 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: I think before we make your entrance, because it would 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: probably look just as bad you not kind of getting 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: into it. If there's entrance, Like, how far do we 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: have to walk down? It's a pretty far away. Yeah. Well. 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: My vote so far is for the song this Will Be. 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: It's one of those ones that's always on the nineties movies. 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that's a little bit romantic. 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I stick meant to be more upbeat 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: and funny. I know, I want to go with Wanna 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: Be Brother Spy Skirls. I want something really upbeat, and 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I want to be there's four of 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: us walking in my optune where it's a spy scale. 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: My other vote is for Hanson. Yes We Hanson is 37 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: very sentimental. It was so cute because Mum suggested that 38 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: song It's a celebration, and she's like, you know the one, 39 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: I think, I think that'd be really upbeat, And I 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh, put it into perspective. We're saying that 41 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: in year seven quiet and it has terrible memories I know, 42 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: and it's just a bit naw if I feel so 43 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: sorry Mum, I didn't have the guts to say it 44 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: to you in person. But no, we won't be doing 45 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: that song. But I would love to get other people's recommendations. 46 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: What's worked your wedding, what's something cool that you think 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: could be funny. 48 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: They've got towns on the Meil, so if that means 49 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 2: people to banks in them, we can't say those fuck that. 50 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: Paul laws are broken out at the infamous Calisle Hotel. 51 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: The bougie accommodation renowned for its Instagram worthiness, apparently has 52 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: an issue with Paul lounge reservations. Kate, what is going on? Well? 53 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: A woman that was holidaying at the Carlisle Hotel in 54 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Brisbane has shared her outrage at what she's calling a 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: selfish hotel at and I had to have a bit 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: of a laugh when I realized that the woman's name 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: is Emily Cooper, which is the same name as the 58 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: main character in Emily and Power. I think this is 59 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: her real name or is she taking the piss No 60 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: it was quoted in a news article. So after not 61 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: being able to get a sun bed at the hotel, 62 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: Emily took it upon herself to set up video surveillance 63 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: by the pool, and she discovered guests were waking up 64 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: at the crack of dawn to reserve their spots, with 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: every pool lounge reserved by six point fifty two am now. 66 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: In order to reserve their spots, guests would leave personal 67 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: items on the lounges, and Emily shared footage of the 68 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: guests claiming their pool loungers with the caption we learnt 69 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the hard way the day before that if you don't 70 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: do this crazy shit to get a sun bed, you 71 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: won't be anywhere near the pool. I'm sorry. Is this 72 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: new news? This has been going on for decades. Every 73 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: time we would go to Malaysia or somewhere tropical, our 74 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: parents or our dad would get up at the crack 75 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: of dawn and do the exact same thing. That's pool etiquette. 76 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: It got it up early to get a sea Can 77 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: you believe it? Though? Because seven News picked up on 78 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: this story, so they contacted the Calais Hotel for comment, 79 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: and a spokesperson hit back at Emily's video, claiming that 80 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: some of the beds that appear to be reserved in 81 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: her video were actually available, so they continued. The pool 82 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: team starts at seven am in the morning and are 83 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: available until six pm. As part of the team's initial setup, 84 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: they placed towels on the bed to indicate their availability, 85 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: some of which you can see in the footage supplied. 86 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: I found it quite amusing that the Calao Hotel is 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: saying a part of their process is to put a 88 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: towel on the sun bed, and that this Emily must 89 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: have got confused that these beds were reserved by the tower, 90 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: because I've always found that when I say at a hotel, 91 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: a towel is the item that you do grab to 92 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: reserve a bed. I'm not sure many people are wanting 93 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: to leave their personal possessions like a wallet or a 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: bag to reserve a bit, but I don't think they 95 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: want people reserving. I think it is very confusing. It's 96 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: a universal thing that if you go to a sun 97 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: launch and there's a towel that's taken. We have spoken 98 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: about the Calais Hotel before and about their stance on influences, 99 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: and through that we heard that when you arrive at 100 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: the Calai Hotel, you are given this list of things 101 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: you are and are not allowed to do. It's sort 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: of part of a contract, and I wonder if this 103 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: sunbed etiquette is part of that contract, because they're saying 104 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: that if a sunbed is left unoccupied for fifteen minutes, 105 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: you then give up the right to that sun bed. 106 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Surely a lot of people don't know this because you know, 107 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: this girl is sitting here with no seat for agents. 108 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: But how do they get rid of what they just 109 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: turf their belongings on the ground. I'm sorry later well, 110 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: as you touched on. So if we did do an 111 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: interview with a micro influencer who was forced to delete 112 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: some photos that she took at the hotel because it 113 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: didn't fit in with the hotel's social media policy, because essentially, 114 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: they don't like influencers using their hotel as a backdrop 115 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: to promote products, and that's because they want to choose 116 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: what brands and products the hotel aligns with themselves, which 117 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: is fair enough, but it's a little bit confusing because 118 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: the hotel is mostly overrun by influencers because it is 119 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: such an aesthetically beautiful hotel. There's literally instagrammable moments everywhere. Yeah, 120 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: and that's why I was so shocked to see this 121 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: on TikTok because normally anyone who posts about the Calais 122 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Hotel in a bad light is told to take it 123 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: down immediately because it conflicts with the terms and conditions 124 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: of their stay. So what was the consensus. Was it 125 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: that you're a shit person for trying to reserve sun beds? Well, Amy, 126 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: the general consensus was that, yes, you are a shit person, 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: and this isn't an isolated incident at the Calais Hotel. 128 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: There is a hashtag. Well, there's two hashtags on TikTok, 129 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: pul wars and also sun bed Wards, and collectively the 130 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 1: videos under these hashtags have been viewed three point seven 131 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: million times. See, I'm in two minds. I think it's 132 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: a ship move to reserve some beds. But then if 133 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: you're staying at a hotel for a long period of 134 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: time and that's the process of it, that's how you 135 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: get a some bed, then you start doing it. Well, 136 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: it's still a dog like if you don't do it, 137 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: you're not going to get a good spot near the pool. 138 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: So you've got to think, well, why am I going 139 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: to get up early, and I don't even think it's 140 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: that bad reserving the seats early in the morning. At 141 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the hotel shade at people were getting their towels and 142 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: then going down in the dead of night and putting 143 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the towels down to reserve. I'm all for the towels. 144 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I think without rules, there's anarchy. Everyone knows the unspoken 145 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: rule is that if you get to the bed first, 146 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: it's yours. And I'm sorry this bullshit fifteen minute rule thing, Well, 147 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: you can only be in the pool for ten minutes 148 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: otherwise some will steal your sun bed. No exactly. And 149 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: I remember growing up because we frequented the same hotel 150 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: quite a bit as children, and there was this group 151 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: of elderly people that we called the King and Queen 152 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: of the hotel, and they used to have basically the 153 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: whole wing of a certain area because they would just 154 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: do the same thing. The pool staff didn't want to 155 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: police it because it was just the said thing. They 156 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: had stayed at the hotel many, many times, and they're 157 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: such high paying customers. Yes, it's a higherarchy. It's a 158 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: hierarchy around the pool and we all need to fall 159 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: in line. I think a lot of gen zs are 160 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: just getting pissed off because if you kind of imagine 161 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: the typical crowd that must go to this hotel, I'm 162 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: imagining that a lot of them are staying out late partying, 163 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of older people who are 164 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: getting up early and reserving these seats. Yeah, just respect, 165 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: I think, just respect the effort that's gone into reserving them. 166 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Respect the unspoken rule we all know it exists. Respect 167 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I hate the game, not the player. 168 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: I went to that tanning place your wife suggested. Was 169 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: that place? 170 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: The sun tanning culture is back in the spotlight after 171 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: a number of gen z it girls were criticized for 172 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: allegedly glamorizing sun baking and tan lines. Now, so, if 173 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: Mea Favola is one influencer who has copped some criticism, sorry, 174 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: is it wrong? Though? It's got to have had myla. Yeah, Well, 175 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: this week Mea sparked debate on her Instagram after a 176 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: series of photos sporting some serious tan lines. So, for 177 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: those who don't know from Kate's reference, then mia fa 178 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Vola is the stepdaughter of former AFL player Brendan Favola. 179 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: She is an influencer in her own right, with one 180 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven thousand followers on Instagram. So the 181 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: twenty two year old also owns her own clothing brand 182 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: and studies marketing and psychology at UNI. So she is 183 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: a very smart girl. I bet she gets sick of 184 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: being referred to as Brendan Favola's daughter. Definitely now in 185 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: the photo dump caption, summer Mia shared amra selfie where 186 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: you can clearly see her tan lines in a bikini. 187 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: She also shared a number of photos on a yacht 188 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: where she's seen sitting in the sun with friends. Now 189 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: these photos spark concern from followers, with some saying she'd 190 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: gone overboard with the tanning. One follower wrote, oh my god, 191 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: how would you so brown? Another wrote you'll be forty 192 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: and all rubber skin. Don't do it, fake tan, whilst 193 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: another wrote you girls should watch deb Hutton's story and 194 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: stop baking yourselves into a melanoma. Now for context, Debora 195 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Hutton is a TV host who underwent life saving sir 196 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: to move two skin cancers from a face in twenty twenty, 197 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: and she has since used her public platform to promote 198 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: sun safety. What were your reactions to these outbursts. I 199 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: was quite taken aback because there was a conversation in 200 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: our Facebook group about this post, and when I clicked 201 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: on it to read the commentary, I assumed it would 202 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: be like minded people discussing the importance of sun safety, 203 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: but a lot of people were pushing misinformation. And that's 204 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: why I thought it was really important to discuss because 205 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: while it may look like, oh, she's not doing anything wrong, 206 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: she didn't say what she was doing. It's not like 207 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: she said I'd be sitting at the sun for six 208 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: hours with oil on my body. But the thing is 209 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: it buys into this tanning culture as a whole, because 210 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: it may not be saying this is how you do it, 211 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: but she's showing the result. Yeah, I was in two 212 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: minds about me and Favola. I've seen other influences do 213 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: way worse. That's why I had a little bit of 214 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: sympathy for her. But it was quite confronting to see 215 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: the tan lines that she was showing off. It really 216 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: reminded me of being back in the early two thousands 217 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: when everyone and wore their sun tan lines like a 218 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: badge of honor, and I haven't really seen that online 219 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: as much. So that's why I think I don't think 220 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: that we should hold one person individually responsible for this 221 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: tann in culture. But I think it was a little 222 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: bit worrying because what she's putting out there is sort 223 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: of subliminal, So lots of young girls will see that 224 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: and be like, Wow, that looks cool that she's got 225 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: those tans, Like wow, she's sitting on a yacht directly 226 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: in the sun. Like it all adds up. And while 227 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: she might not have chosen to be a influence to 228 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: young girls, that's definitely what she is having this following. 229 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: My issue with Mia is that she does have a 230 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: huge platform, and whether she likes it or not, she 231 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: is an influence to young women. And those posts were 232 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: glamorizing a tan exactly right, And I think a lot 233 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: of people in the group were saying, oh, but sometimes 234 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: you can get an incidental tan. The thing is, there 235 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: was nothing incidental about this tan, And I think when 236 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: you are a young, rich influencer and you're promoting the 237 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: fact that you're on a yacht, as you said, you 238 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: are glamorizing the situation. Now, this one really surprised me 239 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: because Sofa Dofa has also been promoting sun tanning over 240 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the summer. So for those who don't know, Sofa Dofa 241 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: has been described as the next it girl. She's only 242 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: nineteen years old, but she has a huge online presence 243 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: with one point two million followers on TikTok. She has 244 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: been the face of many fast fashioned brands, and there's 245 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: this thing called the Sofa doph effect, so basically when 246 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: she wears a skirt, it sells out online. So she's 247 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: very influential to young girls. So back in December, Sofia 248 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: posted an Instagram story of herself sun baking and wrote, 249 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I've laid in the sun no joke, every single day 250 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: for two to three hours with tanning oil. Why am 251 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: I not a bronze goddess? Now? This post shopped a 252 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: lot of people in our Facebook community, as Sofa Dopha 253 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: really is the barometer for what young kids are up to, 254 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: and she quite often talks about how she wears sun 255 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: cream as primer on her face every day. So for 256 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: her to promote herself tanning just seemed really left of field. 257 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: And in the photo it's also quite concerning because her 258 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: cheeks are are really bright red color and there's this 259 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: new trend on TikTok where young people are using suncream 260 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: on their face but the places that you would contour, 261 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: so that's in order to try and get a natural 262 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: looking contour. It's actually disturbing that the sun safety message 263 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: isn't getting through to gen Z. I mean, that's what 264 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: it appears like. I saw a lot of people in 265 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: our group were also commenting, Oh, but it's okay if 266 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: you put sun cream on and then go and get 267 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: a tan. It's like, no, there is no such thing 268 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: as a safe tan, exactly right. And it doesn't stop there. 269 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: So ex Love Island contestant Taylor Demir also came under 270 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: fire for posting an Instagram story at the beach. So 271 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: in the photos you can see she's lying on a 272 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: beach towel in the sun. The caption reads ten out 273 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: of ten would not swim in the sewerage bay they 274 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: call a beach in Melbourne, but nice to tan at 275 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: and she added a laughing face. In no way do 276 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: I want to sound like we're trying to solely put 277 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: blame on these three young women, because they really are 278 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: just the cog in the machine that is tanning culture, 279 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: and tanning culture has been so deeply ingrained in the 280 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: Australian psyche for decades now that it's not surprising that 281 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: some people aren't heeding the message. But to me, I 282 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: just found it so weird because these posts just seems 283 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: so uncool. It reminded me so much of the early 284 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: two thousands and of all the shit that we used 285 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: to do when we were younger. And it surprises me 286 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: because I assumed that sun tanning was thought of as 287 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: really naff and something that you just didn't do in 288 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. But is this just pr spin that 289 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: we've been told? Well, maybe it's just women in our 290 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: age group, because when you hit thirty, there's a lot 291 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: of messaging around anti aging, and I think what has 292 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: pushed a lot of women our age to stop sun 293 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: baking is the fact that the sun is the greatest 294 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: cords of wrinkles and aging. See. I actually think that 295 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: it is all pr spin because on Instagram we see 296 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: all these people promoting sun cream, getting paid to promote it, 297 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: and the fact that it's a bit of an anti 298 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: aging thing. However, I think that there's this whole secretive 299 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: subculture that's going on behind the scenes where women are 300 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: sun baking in their backyards in private and you know, 301 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: trying to catch these hands, but they won't tell anyone 302 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: about it. I honestly think it's to do with education. 303 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, remember when we were at school and there 304 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: was a slip slop slap message going around, is there 305 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: need to be more educational I don't think it has 306 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: anything to do with that, because I remember being, you know, 307 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: listening to that at school, and then when I was 308 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: a teenager, I remember we used to sunbake very rarely 309 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: when we're on holiday, but we wouldn't heed the message 310 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, but I kind of want a tan. 311 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: It's not because you saw everyone else doing it. And 312 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: that's what the issue is. And I am surprised though, 313 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: because in the past five years, particularly online, there's been 314 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: a lot more awareness of the dangers of melanoma, and 315 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,239 Speaker 1: there's been so many amazing movements like call Timer Melanoma 316 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: and also really incredible women like Courtney Maignant and also 317 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Natalie Forstner telling their stories about their own melanoma diagnosis. 318 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: And we've seen it at the moment that Natalie Fawsner 319 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: her condition is terminal. At the moment, we don't know 320 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: how much longer she has. It is incredibly sad, and 321 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: I just that's why I think it just angers me 322 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: so much to see this sort of shit on Instagram aecually, 323 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the misinformation that goes around like and the sort of 324 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: mocking like, oh what you're paying out a young girl 325 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: that's just lying in the sun. It's actually very dangerous 326 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: and people some people even saying, oh, but it's good, 327 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: it's healthy to go and get a tan. It's like, 328 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, now, Amy, you touched on it earlier. 329 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: But I feel like from looking at some of these 330 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: in a group, that is this general misconception that if 331 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: you put on suncream it means that you can tan. 332 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: And I think if listeners take anything from this segment 333 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: is that a safe tan doesn't exist unless it comes 334 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: from a bottle. So you can't just tan in the 335 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: sun and think that you've got suncream on and you're aokay, 336 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: that does not exist. That's why all the sun beds 337 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: have been shut down as well, because obviously so extremely dangous. 338 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: That's why you think when we were younger, there were 339 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: sun beds, and I think that's why we felt like 340 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: things were changing because all those places got shut down. 341 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: But as you said, Sophy, there's this subculture of people 342 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: just tanning secretly in their backyards and not talking about it. 343 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: And I think that we seem to think that things 344 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: have advanced in a way because we may have educated 345 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: ourselves in the pages that we follow, you know, a 346 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: pushing sun smart messages, but you've got to remember that 347 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: that's social media. Our feeds are all very curated these days. 348 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: I think what we also forget is just how brutal 349 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: the UV level is in Australia and how damaging it 350 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: can be. What was hard to get over was being 351 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: blamed for something that not only I didn't do, but 352 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: that happened to me. Prince Harry's memoir Spare and subsequent 353 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: media tour has gotten tongues wagging everywhere. There's been so 354 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: many juicy details to discuss it was very difficult for 355 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: us to pinpoint just one. So we've decided to keep 356 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: it light though and delve into dress Gate as there's 357 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: been some interesting revelations. Kate, can you tell us well? Well, 358 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: as we know, there's nothing more than the media love 359 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: than women feuding, and originally the UK Press reported that 360 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: there was a rift brewing between Kate Middleton and Meghan 361 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: Markle over flower girl dresses back in twenty eighteen. And 362 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw the story, I thought 363 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: it must be a complete fabrication. It just seemed so petty. However, 364 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: now that I'm well and truly at the pointy end 365 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: of planning my wedding, I can legitimately see how this 366 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: would have happened. And it's kind of refreshing that the 367 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: Royal family are just normal people like us. I think 368 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: we've seen from Harry's book that the Royal family are 369 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: incredibly petty, just like the rest of us. You've got 370 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: to remember, as well, it's never about the flower girl dresses. 371 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: There's always a bigger issue brewing. It's a straw that 372 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: broke the camel's back. Now to refresh everyone's memories. The 373 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: media originally reported that Meghan had made Kate Middleton cry. However, 374 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: in the Oprah interview, Meghan revealed it was actually Kate 375 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: that made her cry. Now, Harry hasn't only just shed 376 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: light on the situation in his memoir, he shared text 377 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: messages between Kate and Meghan discussing Princess Charlotte's flower girl dress. Now, 378 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: to put these messages into perspective. They were sent four 379 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: days before Harry and Meghan's wedding in the midst of 380 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: the drama with Meghan's dad Thomas Markle. Now, I thought 381 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: we should read the text messages out. I am going 382 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: to play Princess Kate because I think it's just fitting Amy. 383 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: Would you like to be Meghan? Yes, I'd love to. Okay, 384 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: So this is Kate. Charlotte's dress is too big, too long, 385 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: too baggy, she cried when she tried it on at home, right, 386 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: and I told you the Taylor has been standing by 387 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: since eight am here at KP. Can you take Charlotte 388 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: to have it altered as the other moms are doing. 389 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I know we're doing access well, I'm just sorry. You know, 390 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: all the dresses need to be made, and then Kate 391 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: added that she'd spoken to her own designer, who agreed 392 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: her own designer. Now at this point in the book, 393 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: Harry said. Meghan asked Kate if she was aware of 394 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: the situation, and Kate said, well aware, But the dresses 395 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: and the wedding is in four days. So Meghan replied, yes, Kate, 396 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: I know. I'm not sure what else to say if 397 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: the dress doesn't fit then please take Charlotte to see 398 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: aj he's been waiting all day. Fine. That fine. That 399 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: is such a dick move to just write fine. She's 400 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: equivalent of Kay. She should have just put Kate. But 401 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: she might have got confused as thinking that was her 402 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: sign off because she's been calling Harry. Ah. So yeah, Well, 403 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Harry said he came home to find Meghan crying on 404 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: the floor, and the next day Kate came over with 405 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: flowers and a card to apologize. I sort of sensed 406 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: tension in both of the messages, though, because you think 407 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: about when you message your own sister or brother in law, 408 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: and usually, you know, you throw on a few smiley faces, 409 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: a few kisses. There was none of that between either. No, 410 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: the thing is this probably wasn't an isolated incident. This 411 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: probably was brewing for a while, but this kind of 412 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: sparked a bit of a feud between the Fab four, 413 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: and Harry explained that there was a private discussion between 414 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: the Fab four about how this had hit the media 415 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: because Meghan clearly copped it by the media and was 416 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: portrayed as a bit of a villain for making Kate cry, 417 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: and Kate admitted to them privately that obviously the tabloids 418 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: had got it wrong. So Kate said, I know, Meghan 419 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: that I was the one who made you cry. Now, 420 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: Harry said he felt relieved, and Meghan appreciated the apology, 421 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: but she asked why then the papers had said what 422 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: they said and what was being done to correct it? God, 423 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I just love that she hits back 424 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: with that. Well, the implication there is that Kate or 425 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: Prince William or their press team has actually fed this 426 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: narrative to the papers. Well do you know who actually 427 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: did it? Because Harry has no. So Harry revealed that 428 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: Kate and will admitted that it was actually Prince Charles 429 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: aka King Charles Now that leaked it. So Kate and 430 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: William said that they had dinner with him, and he 431 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: sheepishly admitted to them over dinner that he'd slipped it 432 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: to the press. You know, I don't get this is 433 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: in the lead up to their wedding. It's if you 434 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: do that from yours, Kate, we can already see how 435 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: stressed you are. This is the lead up to their 436 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: wedding and they're dropping bombs like this from their press 437 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: team when Meghan already had so much to deal with 438 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: with her father going off the rail. Harry Dell further 439 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: into in his book and he said that King Charles 440 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: and Camilla were constantly feeding stories to the press that 441 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: were negative, even about the Prince and Princess of Wales 442 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: and also Harry and Meghan, because they wanted to make 443 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: themselves look better. The number one aim has been making 444 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: Camilla the Queen consort better. They've spoken hardly, Yeah, they've 445 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: spoken publicly about how they've tried for over ten years 446 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: to create a better image around and Harry's pulled that 447 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: down pretty bit in a couple of days. Now. I 448 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: did absolutely love hearing details about how Harry broke the 449 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: news to Kate and William about dating Meghan. So apparently 450 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: he was quite apprehensive that they wouldn't welcome her into 451 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: the family, but they responded the complete opposite to what 452 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: he was expecting. Well initially, yes, initially, Harry told them. 453 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: Apparently their mouths dropped opened and they turned to each other. 454 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: Then William turned to Harry and said, fuck off. Can 455 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: you just imagine these tops? 456 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: Fuck off? 457 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: Fuck? Do you think he almost had that moment? Like, fuck, 458 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: I could have got an American actress that actually made 459 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: me think I wonder if Prince William fancied her when 460 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: watching suits. And it was a bit like weird because 461 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: it seemed like Kate and William from the onset didn't 462 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: like Meghan from what maybe she was jealous, like you 463 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: know when you sit around with your partner and your 464 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: watch shows, and maybe Prince William said to Kay, oh 465 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: she's pretty hot. Well, you didn't touch on it because 466 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: they said that they were religious watches of the show, 467 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: I know, and Harry was joking that he was worried 468 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: that Kate and Wills would hound Meghan for her autograph. Well, 469 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: the inference in Harry's book was that Kate saw Meghan 470 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: as a bit of a threat to her. And you 471 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: can kind of understand that this actress coming in you're 472 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: even a fan of her yourself. I feel like this 473 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: is such a power play though, because it just denigrates 474 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: Kate and William as fans of parents. Is such a 475 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: kick in the dick. Mid And keeps coming out saying 476 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: that she knew absolutely nothing about the royal family, but 477 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: they knew about her. We're talking about being a kick 478 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: in the dick. Did you know what's Kate Middleton's forty 479 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: first birthday the day before Harry's book Spare was released. 480 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: Do we think this played into Harry's timing? I think so. 481 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: We have learnt through this book that Harry is a 482 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift fan. So he has said that during his 483 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: time when he was fucked off at his family, he 484 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 1: was listening a lot to look what you made me 485 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: do from Taylor Swift. And if he's a Taylor Swift fan, 486 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: she's all about numbers. He'll be all about numbers and dates, 487 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: trying to send on her birthday. Then now the day 488 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: before you cause chaos. I have been loving the memes 489 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: that are going around TikTok, particularly one we shared on 490 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: our Instagram account of Regina George aka acting as Harry 491 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: just dropping the Burn book in the middle of the 492 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: school and everyone's saying that was him releasing. 493 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: Spare a legends. Wow, but you all got that. 494 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: A business dispute involving fitness influences Sean Tell and Sam 495 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Duncan has erupted over social media. The couple who owned 496 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: Jim franchise Hit Station have got into a nasty dispute 497 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: with one of their franchisees who was accused Sam Duncan 498 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: of emailing his members informing them his three gyms had 499 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: been permanently closed. Now the franchisee was forced to assure 500 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: his members this was not the case and said they 501 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: were in factory opening under a new brand. Now, before 502 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: we get into all the drama, Sophie, can you tell 503 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: us who the Duncans are? 504 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: Well? 505 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: Chanteal Duncan is a fitness influencer with over one million 506 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and she did make a name for 507 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: herself as one of the trainers on Kayla Itsinas's sweat app. 508 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: So she was part of the sweat app for four 509 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: years before announcing her departure in December. So Chantelle and 510 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: her husband Sam have five kids under six years of age. 511 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: They also have a family page called the Duncan Family, 512 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: which has over one hundred and four thousand followers. Now, 513 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Chantell's husband Sam himself also has a following of seventy 514 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: one thousand. He's also in the sort of fitness space 515 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: and the couple own Hit Station in Queensland, which is 516 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: a successful franchise. Jim and there are many of these 517 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: Hit Stations around Queensland. Yeah, and a lot of their 518 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: members were left really confused when on January fifth, a 519 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: series of emails hit their inboxes. So for what happened Well, 520 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: Gym members received an email saying that three of the 521 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: hit stations were closing their doors permanently. The email said, 522 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: we understand that this news may be disappointing, and we 523 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. If you have 524 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: any questions or concerns regarding your membership, please don't hesitate 525 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: to reach out to Debit's success or. Email the former 526 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: franchisee Nico for existence. Thank you for your loyalty and 527 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: support over the years. It's been a pleasure serving you, 528 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: and we are deeply grateful for the opportunity to have 529 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: been part of your fitness journey. Now. The franchise owner, 530 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: Nick Lbusso, has accused Sam Duncan of sending up the 531 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: email to Jim goers and said he was never advised 532 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: the message was being sent. He also claims he believes 533 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: the email was sent out in response to him questioning 534 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: the couple and as accused Sam of stonewalling him. Let's 535 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: have a listen to the video message he sent to 536 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: his members. 537 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Firstly, email was not generated by us. We would never 538 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: send anything out like that In such a fashion. It's 539 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: just not our style. Secondly, all of our gyms are 540 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: staying open. Giebung, Northlakes and Bourbungaria's business as usual, same 541 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: classes as usual, same cool vibe, same trainers, same everything. 542 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, we are pushing on. So I'm not sure 543 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: where the information is coming from. Our doors are closing 544 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: because they're not. There has been a little bit of 545 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: back and forth since October last year between myself and Sam, 546 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: specifically around some practices on hit Station side, and it 547 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: seems the more you question things, the more you met 548 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: with resistance. And if you continue to question said practices 549 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: with measurable data, I suppose. Yeah, just seems some people 550 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: don't like it, and the responses is what it is. 551 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. All truth bosses through 552 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: three stages. First, it's really killed, Second, it's violently opposed, 553 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: and thirty's accepted. It's being self evident. So I'll leave 554 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: it at that from our end. 555 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Since this dispute, Nico has changed his Instagram bio to 556 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: read co owner of some gyms with an emoji of 557 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: a man shrugging his shoulders to sort of poke fun 558 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: at what's going on. He has also since converted the 559 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: franchise from hit to Hybrid fit, so it sounds like 560 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot going on in the background. I 561 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: always find it funny when there's a lot of drama 562 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: going on, but someone still has the time to go 563 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: make pop shots in the Instagram bio well. Chantelle's husband 564 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: Sam also got in on the action. He shared a 565 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: quote to his Instagram story which read time has a 566 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: way of revealing the truth. It has a way of 567 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: exposing the lies and deceit that some people try to 568 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: hide behind. Don't be fooled by their words or actions. 569 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: Eventually their true colors will show and you will see 570 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: them for who they really are. Now, how do we 571 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: about middle aged men making me sort of cryptic posts 572 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram? Because I'm not about it. It's a bit 573 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: of a nick, isn't it. I think that you generally 574 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: look like you're not to be rude to sixteen year 575 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: old girls. But I remember when we were teenagers you 576 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: used to post those sorts of quotes. It's it's a 577 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: bit weird when men are doing it. I don't want 578 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: to judge, though, because there's obviously a lot going on. 579 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: You know, when you feel really angry and you fire 580 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: something off. I feel like this has been done and 581 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 1: the heaated. It's very therapeutic when you are angry, but 582 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: normally you just look for a bunch of quotes, save 583 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: them on your phone and you never post. Well, you 584 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: can't get in trouble because he's not putting it out 585 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: there as a direct statement from him. It's he's sort 586 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: of trying to without do you know what I think 587 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: is clever when celebrities go and like quotes like these 588 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: rather than posting them and then someone's like, oh, did 589 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: you see what Kim Kardashian like, Well, he's not quite 590 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: as big as kid. Look, it doesn't look great for 591 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: any of the parties involved, but the franchise owner, Nico, 592 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: really didn't have an option other than to go public 593 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: and to clear up the fact that his gym wasn't 594 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: closing down. So I think he actually handled it the 595 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: best way he could. I think pr wise, it's not 596 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: a great look for Chantelle and Sam, but it could 597 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: actually be a win for Niko because it could prompt 598 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: people to go to his newly branded gym because they 599 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: feel sorry for him. Now there have been a lot 600 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: of eyes on Chantelle Duncan since she announced she was 601 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: leaving Sweat back in December, and when she made the 602 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: announcement on Instagram, she wrote, it's with mixed emotions that 603 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: I announced my departure from Sweat. I have been with 604 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: the Sweat family for the past four years and it 605 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: has been the most rewarding and fulfilling experience. She continued. 606 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I want to thank you, Kayla. It's seen us for 607 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity to work with your company and for being 608 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: such an incredible friend. I am grateful for the experiences 609 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: and growth that I have had whilst working for you. Now, 610 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: there were so many questions swirling about her departure, with 611 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: some speculating that she would be coming up with her 612 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 1: own app through her gym franchise, Hit Station. So that's 613 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: why there's been a lot of interest around this because 614 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: this confusion is Hit Station growing or is it going backwards? 615 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: Others also thought maybe Chantelle was leaving because she has 616 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot on her plate with her large family. Got well. 617 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: I think she would be well in her right to 618 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: do that with six kids. Was it? But there was 619 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: also other speculation because I fit bored out Sweat. So 620 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: many of the trainers have been given new contracts with 621 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: new negotiations which perhaps weren't worth it for Chantell Well 622 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: particularly she's got a million of her own followers now 623 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: like that's completely game changing for her. Well, I think 624 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. Thank you very 625 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 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