Speaker 1: Kid. He Peter Helly here. Welcome to you Ain't seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet?
Speaker 2: The movie podcast, where our chat to a movie lover
Speaker 2: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 2: around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian mate
Speaker 2: Lawrence Mooney.
Speaker 3: Ah blow, I want to stay here with you. He's
Speaker 3: little jobble. Why hate snake shucked?
Speaker 2: Hi hail, haven't any right now?
Speaker 3: You ain't seen nothing.
Speaker 2: Lawrence Mooney is somebody who I've known for the entire
Speaker 2: duration of my stand up career. We met hanging around
Speaker 2: stand up rooms and clubs in Melbourne in the late
Speaker 2: nineties and it's been amazing to see Lawrence's trajectory into
Speaker 2: becoming a true force of nature in the Australian stand
Speaker 2: up scene and entertainment scene. Lawrence has done so many shows,
Speaker 2: both on stage but also shows that you would know
Speaker 2: him from.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Who would always get a call to be on the
Speaker 2: new show, whether it be Fixed or specs. Have you
Speaker 2: been paying attention, Hughsy, we have a problem. He's a
Speaker 2: guy that you want on your show. A fun fact
Speaker 2: which I kind of forgot about is that Lawrence actually
Speaker 2: also was a semi finalist in NBC's Last Comic Standing
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. I think it was Lawrence
Speaker 2: shows live shows have always been really interesting. He's got
Speaker 2: a very fascinating way looking at the world. He posts
Speaker 2: a lot of his stand up clips and there he's
Speaker 2: one of the most my most enjoyable people I follow
Speaker 2: because these clips are just, you know, usually two or
Speaker 2: three minutes of absolute stand up comedy gold. He's talented,
Speaker 2: and he's bloody funny, and I'm bloody stoked to be
Speaker 2: hanging with him today.
Speaker 4: Get my Name's Lawrence Mooney and my three favorite films,
Speaker 4: Godfather One, We.
Speaker 1: Big SHOT's going to give you what you want Too late.
Speaker 1: They started shooting in a week. I want to make
Speaker 1: them an awful grown review. Caddy Shack. My enemy is
Speaker 1: an animal. In order to conquer him, I have to.
Speaker 3: Think like an.
Speaker 1: Ever possible.
Speaker 4: And Manhattan, I really did want to see a light.
Speaker 3: I like it when you get an uncontrolabbord.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my best feature.
Speaker 4: And up until yesterday, I hadn't seen the never Ending Story.
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't start to dudge yourself to be confident.
Speaker 2: Yes, three years before Fred Savage's grandfather read him a
Speaker 2: tale about the Princess Bride and Vezini and fsick young
Speaker 2: Bastian played by Barrett Oliver, was in his dusty school
Speaker 2: addict reading a story that purported to never end. Through
Speaker 2: the pages of this beautiful leather bound book, Bastian will
Speaker 2: learn about our Tayou, a boy of similar age played
Speaker 2: mostly by Noah Hathaway, a worry for reasons that are
Speaker 2: a little unclear, to go on a mission to save
Speaker 2: the dying childlike Empress and the land of Fantasia from
Speaker 2: the nothing that's a power that forces those who succumb
Speaker 2: to it to abandon their hopes and dreams. Wolfgang Peterson's
Speaker 2: Never Ending Story from the book by Michael Andy, at
Speaker 2: the time the most expensive movie ever to be made
Speaker 2: in Germany, is a darkly magical adventure that features a
Speaker 2: rock biding rock, a scheming black panther, and a dog
Speaker 2: type dragon with a voice like Honey, which well voice
Speaker 2: coincidentally by Robert J. Oppenheimer's cousin third cousin Alan Lawrence Mooney.
Speaker 2: Did you ever lock yourself in the high school attic?
Speaker 2: And this read a book?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't, And conveniently, the high school addict at
Speaker 4: this particular school or intermediate school. It's hard to know
Speaker 4: how old Bastien really is. He's probably nine or ten. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like a proper attic. It's got a human skeleton there,
Speaker 4: it's got stuffed heads on the wall, there's dust, there's
Speaker 4: old artifacts, there's candles available for him to light it up.
Speaker 4: He misses his maths exam, hides himself away with stolen
Speaker 4: book in the attic what appears to be over a
Speaker 4: period of days without emergency services ever being alerted to
Speaker 4: come looking for Paul Bastien.
Speaker 2: It is there is something about it we don't really
Speaker 2: have in our design of our houses. In Australia, the
Speaker 2: attic in the basements aren't really that much of a thing.
Speaker 2: But in America they're all, says, hugely part of their
Speaker 2: infrastructure but never taken care of.
Speaker 4: And you know that the moment that somebody goes into
Speaker 4: an attic and starts poking around and opens an old chest,
Speaker 4: a magical adventure is about to happen. So you know
Speaker 4: that he's about to step through a portal somewhere Bastian
Speaker 4: into the portal of the fantasia. That takes a while
Speaker 4: to happen in this film, you know they had knowledge
Speaker 4: of his presence. He could see the story unfolding. He's
Speaker 4: reading the book that we're watching, and it just took
Speaker 4: a lot too long to get him in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to talk about, and I want
Speaker 2: to come back, and there's so many elements and I
Speaker 2: want to know your opinions and all of those things.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about your three favorite films. Godfather Part one.
Speaker 2: I always say my three films I Godfather Part one,
Speaker 2: slast Part two.
Speaker 1: I just combind.
Speaker 4: I know it's a bit of a It is a
Speaker 4: cop out because you have to make a choice, and
Speaker 4: it is Sophie's choice because it's a hard one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have Godfather Part two ahead of it, would
Speaker 1: you Okay?
Speaker 2: Because because I love the de Niro element, You're always
Speaker 2: enjoying wherever they put you, Like if you're back in
Speaker 2: History watching de Niro, you're enjoying that. And then when
Speaker 2: you go back to Michael, you're enjoying that. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 2: we've got to go back to Young Godfather now. You know,
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the whole thing. And Fredo is the other
Speaker 2: element that I love in Godfather.
Speaker 4: Parts of Frida, Yeah, yeah, and the Lake House and
Speaker 4: the inevitability of yes, well do we do spoiler alerts
Speaker 4: on these?
Speaker 1: We'll just presume that people have seen the films.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely So god Father Part One? What do
Speaker 2: you love about that one? Well, I mean it's a
Speaker 2: cracking film.
Speaker 4: Brando first of all, absolutely steals the show and the
Speaker 4: whole history behind it. And it's one of those films
Speaker 4: where you're making up the list of your top three
Speaker 4: and you have to decide do I put in the
Speaker 4: film that I've watched the most, because you have to
Speaker 4: leave a few of those out, and it is one
Speaker 4: of the films that I've watched the most, and I
Speaker 4: just love the whole unfolding of how Michael is invested
Speaker 4: with the power and then he takes the power, and
Speaker 4: then that finale and it all starts, of course at
Speaker 4: michael sister's wedding, and there is Marlon Brando with the cat.
Speaker 4: When you read about those audition processes that they went
Speaker 4: through and him stuffing the cotton wall into his jaws,
Speaker 4: and then you know, coming out shoe polish in the hair,
Speaker 4: got the cat and they just went, Okay, that is
Speaker 4: Don corleone right there. So I think it's a wonderfully
Speaker 4: told story and it is something that kind of lit
Speaker 4: up my mind. There's moments where you see films and
Speaker 4: they just change your life and it's like, I love
Speaker 4: that film, I want to be in that film.
Speaker 1: I love the Mafia.
Speaker 2: The assassination scene in the Italian restaurant is just one
Speaker 2: of the all time great scenes in any movie. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think it's probably my favorite see the scene in
Speaker 2: any movie.
Speaker 1: There's a great series on stan called.
Speaker 4: The Offer Yeah, and on Paramount actually excuse me, on
Speaker 4: Paramount Thank you very much and Paramount Good Peace. Great shows.
Speaker 4: So that is discussed at length how al Pacino was
Speaker 4: going to find that with him in him to do it,
Speaker 4: but also the logistics and that that scene was brought
Speaker 4: forward because the studio was starting to lose faith with
Speaker 4: the project, so they bring on Robert Evans to watch
Speaker 4: that scene and a couple of the accountants. So it's
Speaker 4: a pivotal scene in the actual existentialist survival of the film.
Speaker 4: In al Pacino's step forward because they wanted to get
Speaker 4: rid of him, and it's such a historic, spine tingling moment.
Speaker 4: So he goes into the toilet, of course, gets the
Speaker 4: gun and shoots a cop and then shoots another mafia
Speaker 4: family kingpin, and then that starts the whole process of
Speaker 4: him having to go to hide in Sicily and becoming
Speaker 4: truly cause of Nostra, truly mafiosa. That is a beautiful
Speaker 4: element to that film. And then he comes back and
Speaker 4: takes control of the five houses.
Speaker 2: Beautiful moment where he goes to look for the gun
Speaker 2: at the back of the cistern the toilet there, and
Speaker 2: Frans with for a Coppler had like changed where it was,
Speaker 2: so he actually kind.
Speaker 1: Of somewhere, he actually really search for it. It's just
Speaker 1: a little such a little touch that was so brilliant.
Speaker 2: And then just that moment where he's between the two
Speaker 2: the cubicle and the door to the outside and you
Speaker 2: just hear the train going from the background. He just
Speaker 2: puts his hands through his hair, just come a moment
Speaker 2: before he's about to do what he's about to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's stunning.
Speaker 1: You don't want to rush it.
Speaker 4: And I remember from that assassination scene the blood mist
Speaker 4: that they used, so you hear the gun shot and
Speaker 4: then you see this blood mist. So it's beautifully artistic too.
Speaker 4: It's beautifully shot, and then there's another bang and he's
Speaker 4: been instructed drop the gun and walk out of the restaurant.
Speaker 4: And as he's walking and don't look at anyone in
Speaker 4: the eyes, he doesn't let go of the gun.
Speaker 1: It's like, you got to let go of the gun.
Speaker 1: You got to let go go the gun.
Speaker 4: And so there's this moment of suspense and finally you
Speaker 4: see his hand open, the gun hits the floor.
Speaker 1: And he's out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's stunning and life has changed forever.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Caddy Caddy Shack.
Speaker 2: This has appeared in People's Top three lists, like this
Speaker 2: and grandhog Day have come up a bit. What do
Speaker 2: you love about Caddy Shack?
Speaker 4: Caddie Shack was an ensemble comedy film, so they had
Speaker 4: a bunch of great comedians, including Ted Knight, who was
Speaker 4: always a big favorite of mine. Rodney Dangerfield is this
Speaker 4: is the movie where I discovered Rodney Dangerfield. Of course,
Speaker 4: Bill Murray's in a Chevy chase. It's hilarious and it
Speaker 4: was also a pivotal kind of stone a movie. We
Speaker 4: would play indoor soccer on Wednesday, go down the Basy
Speaker 4: pub and then back to someone's place to Paul Cones
Speaker 4: and watch caddy Shack, and so it's deeply embedded in
Speaker 4: the neural pathways of happiness, the constant quoting, and then
Speaker 4: you know when gold finally bites your peer group and
Speaker 4: you go and start playing golf and you're being the
Speaker 4: people in Caddyshack. So certainly satisfies the criteria of me
Speaker 4: having watched it as many times as Willy Wonka and
Speaker 4: the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 2: This is the movie you've seen more than others, because
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen Godfather quite a bit, but it's
Speaker 2: obviously it's a three hour film.
Speaker 1: It's hard to commit to watching it a lot.
Speaker 4: I commit to it on flights. I probably have rewatched
Speaker 4: it on flights where you go, what am I going
Speaker 4: to watch?
Speaker 1: Am I going to watch?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: And Avengers? Or am I going to watch something old?
Speaker 4: And I think that as you age, just to keep
Speaker 4: reverting back to your old favorites, like that's just a
Speaker 4: comfy chair.
Speaker 1: You know how it's going to go.
Speaker 4: You're not going to be disappointed because watching a film
Speaker 4: for a long time, then being disappointed is something that
Speaker 4: becomes more and more disappointing.
Speaker 1: You just go, what a wasted time? And that was
Speaker 1: geez I've done a thin recently.
Speaker 2: We've gone back and discovered bands that I didn't give
Speaker 2: enough time to growing up, even David Bowie, right, it
Speaker 2: turns out he's actually really good Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he's really good checking out. So you've been
Speaker 4: doing deep dive on stuff that passed you by at
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of like The Smiths as well. The Smiths. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going to go.
Speaker 2: I don't know why what was in my head at
Speaker 2: the time. Why I didn't, you know, jump into this.
Speaker 4: You know, were you living at a sharehouse in Collingwood
Speaker 4: or North fitz Roy, because that's where I found the Smiths.
Speaker 4: Everyone was playing the Smiths. That was mid to late eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, around that time when I was I was
Speaker 2: in a really it wasn't a sharehouse as me and
Speaker 2: a mate in Collingwood and around that age, I reckon
Speaker 2: I very much enjo into Australian like Paul Kelly Weddings
Speaker 2: Party is anything Billy Bragg obviously he's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in that genre, I loved a bit of
Speaker 1: folk stuff.
Speaker 4: Which Eric Bogel Eric Bogan So what kind of folk
Speaker 4: were you listening to? Bob Dylan. Well, what did I say, folk?
Speaker 4: A bit of Dylan, A bit of Dylan.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Wedding's part is anything I would say his folks,
Speaker 2: Paul Kelly's take on a genre like folk rock because
Speaker 2: sometimes on you know the Apple music you can go
Speaker 2: then various rabbit holes. As far as music adjacent to
Speaker 2: I love the band of National. They're probably my favorite band.
Speaker 4: And I really love that band too. I was put
Speaker 4: onto them by Dave O'Neill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we speak about The National, but we both
Speaker 1: went to the concert.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, a long time ago, and because of your
Speaker 4: we were at the gig and he's really into music
Speaker 4: and listens to a lot. He said, if you listened
Speaker 4: to The National and I reckon, I probably bought that
Speaker 4: album twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Does that sound right? Well, the means which album was
Speaker 1: the what the White one with high Violet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I okay, that was twenty ten. It's about fourteen
Speaker 2: years ago. Manhattan, What are you album? Well, I'm from
Speaker 2: being brave enough to step up to the plate, and
Speaker 2: I think if you be left Wood album movies off.
Speaker 2: He's come up a couple of times this and any Hall.
Speaker 1: What's the problem with Woody. What is everyone backing away
Speaker 1: from Woody? Is he okay? Is he well, I think
Speaker 1: he's okay. He's still making movies. Is he still married
Speaker 1: to I'm not sture what his currently he is. I
Speaker 1: think he is. I think he's still married to her.
Speaker 1: It's worked out, hasn't it.
Speaker 4: Who was his the adopted daughter of his daughter, one
Speaker 4: of his first wives. And some people have got an
Speaker 4: issue with that whole grooming process. But we're not going
Speaker 4: to talk about that.
Speaker 5: Are we.
Speaker 1: Down that path a little bit?
Speaker 4: Because I understand the whole cultural idea of silencing someone
Speaker 4: or wiping them, you know, off the back of Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson and Woody Allen's oove and Rolf Harris thrown out
Speaker 4: your Rol Harris albums.
Speaker 2: Not quite not quite yet, But I can't find my
Speaker 2: Rol Harris albums. I want to throw them out. So
Speaker 2: I understand that cultural argument.
Speaker 4: But what I want to say is I think that
Speaker 4: Woody Allen's move are amazing, and it's very hard for
Speaker 4: me to say, well, I'm not going to watch.
Speaker 1: That movie anymore or ignore that movie.
Speaker 4: And Manhattan is one of them, and it's a choice
Speaker 4: between Manhattan and any Hall for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I think I'm able to separate
Speaker 2: the art and the artist sometimes and even to put
Speaker 2: out on the side. I think, Yeah, if you go
Speaker 2: through any film, there's gonna be somebody on that set
Speaker 2: or somebody you know who's got a past or did
Speaker 2: something inappropriate during that movie. So everyone has their own line.
Speaker 2: And Manhattan, no doubt, he's a cracking film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so wood he pursues and falls in love
Speaker 4: with a student played by Mariel Hemingway of the famous
Speaker 4: Hemingway family. While we're dropping big family names the Oppenheim's otherway,
Speaker 4: it's a tortured kind of love affair. He's a neurotic.
Speaker 4: He always plays, you know, a fairly neurotic jew, New
Speaker 4: York Jew, and so he's agonizing about everything the whole way.
Speaker 4: It's beautifully shot in black and white. It's got this
Speaker 4: sketch like quality on to scenes, and there's comedy, and
Speaker 4: there's beautiful jazz, which is one of Woody Allen's fortes,
Speaker 4: you know, introducing us to the world of Irving Berlin
Speaker 4: and Gershwin's and all those wonderful artists. And it finishes
Speaker 4: with one of my favorite quotes from movies, where the
Speaker 4: relationships had its ups and downs, and he's like, I
Speaker 4: just I just don't know whether I can trust you.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, he's agonizing, and she just says, hey,
Speaker 4: sometimes you just got to put your faith in people.
Speaker 1: And that's where it ends with a.
Speaker 4: Big, beautiful jazz trumpet out the back of it, and
Speaker 4: it's just wonderful. And I kind of fell in love
Speaker 4: with Manhattan without Abbott being there through that movie. It's like,
Speaker 4: I've got to go there, and so the whole thing
Speaker 4: was beautiful when I eventually arrived in Manhattan. Wasn't shot
Speaker 4: in black and white, didn't run into woody. When I
Speaker 4: say trumpet, maybe it's a clarinet that finishes that film
Speaker 4: because he.
Speaker 1: Played the clarene.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, is it a brass instrument or is it woodwind?
Speaker 4: Because they're different sections. They are different sections.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get on to the movie we're here
Speaker 1: to talk about. This is the never ending story.
Speaker 3: The wise one says, you're.
Speaker 6: Dying because people have begun to lose their hopes and
Speaker 6: forget their dreams, so that nothing grows strong.
Speaker 3: What is the nothing?
Speaker 6: It's the emptiness that's left. It is like a despair
Speaker 6: destroy this world, and I have been trying to help it.
Speaker 7: But why Because people who have no hopes are easy
Speaker 7: to control, and whoever has the control.
Speaker 2: Has the nineteen eighty four The never Ending Story, directed
Speaker 2: by the great Wolfgang Peterson Lawrence Mooney. Yes, did you
Speaker 2: enjoy the first of a trilogy, The never Ending Story?
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was a trilogy because they do
Speaker 4: say at the end the never Ending Story will always
Speaker 4: go on, and so I was teasing.
Speaker 1: Forward to a sequel. Did I enjoy it? I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Had only ever seen the iconic luck Dragon foul cor
Speaker 4: Fell flying, you know, as a trailer to the movie
Speaker 4: with the kid on top, and had that rousing kind
Speaker 4: of very eighties techno bit of since that song the
Speaker 4: never Ending Story never Ending, and I think I've sung
Speaker 4: along to it without even knowing anything about the movie.
Speaker 4: So it was nice to actually put those parts together.
Speaker 2: And those were the two things I knew, So full disclosure,
Speaker 2: I had never seen this movie. I watch after the
Speaker 2: first time this week, and I agree that the two
Speaker 2: things I certainly knew was the dog Dragon didn't even know.
Speaker 1: Foul Call's name. I didn't actually know his name. No,
Speaker 1: I knew that it was a.
Speaker 4: Big dragon, and I didn't know that it was a
Speaker 4: luck dragon and that foul cor yes was his name.
Speaker 1: And the song of course.
Speaker 2: So even when I saw that was directed by Wolfgang Peterson,
Speaker 2: I think that was made in Germany, so a lot
Speaker 2: I didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go? First?
Speaker 4: I love quest movies first of all, So to talk
Speaker 4: about The Quest, the childlike Empress as they call her.
Speaker 1: She's child like. She's a child, isn't she.
Speaker 4: That's the interesting thing for me about the end of
Speaker 4: the movie because they refer to her as the Empress,
Speaker 4: the Empress Empress. Then there's a reveal that she's a
Speaker 4: child supposedly, and then you're introduced to the idea that
Speaker 4: she I went through the cast and the characters called
Speaker 4: the childlike Empress. So is it like an adult and
Speaker 4: she looks like a child And if that is the case,
Speaker 4: that is wrong and cancellable. Okay on a Woody Allen level,
Speaker 4: that is high pedophilia. Okay, we are able to talk
Speaker 4: about this on this show.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, this is you know I've been discussion
Speaker 2: about a movie. You're just processing.
Speaker 4: I love a Quest movie. And if I was a child,
Speaker 4: I'd be so into it. So let's ignore my theories
Speaker 4: on that. But the young hero betray you. The warrior
Speaker 4: is chosen to go and find a cure for the
Speaker 4: Empress's illness, and so he has to go through all
Speaker 4: these different lands, the Crystal Tower, the Silver Mountains, the
Speaker 4: desert of shattered hopes and hope and nothingness are a
Speaker 4: big thing here. And every time you heard the nothingness,
Speaker 4: you're trying to equate it to some one or something like,
Speaker 4: the nothingness is here. And in the end, I was
Speaker 4: just like, it's just Peter Dutton. Is that He's just
Speaker 4: the nothingness? The darkness?
Speaker 1: Why is it destroying everything?
Speaker 4: Because it's so powerful, it has no hopes. I think
Speaker 4: I started corresponding with you when a tray you, a
Speaker 4: tray you and his horse attacks got stuck in the
Speaker 4: swamp of sadness. Now the swamp of sadness works like this.
Speaker 4: It's quicksand it's sticky mud.
Speaker 2: It's very Dagabar from Empire strikes back. Yeah, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised if Yoda and Luke's X Wing was just
Speaker 2: out of shot.
Speaker 4: They have a Yoda type character in it. Called smaller, Yes,
Speaker 4: the giant turtle who's very sage anyway, So a Trayu
Speaker 4: and Artas are slogging through the swamp of sadness, and
Speaker 4: the rule is if you become sad in the swamp
Speaker 4: of sadness, it sucks you down. And then Artax is
Speaker 4: starting to get bogged, and a Trayo's screaming at him, saying,
Speaker 4: come on, come on, don't get sad, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: is the horse sad? Horse is sinking And then, like
Speaker 4: a lot of children's movies of the era, you get
Speaker 4: a massive smack in the head because the horse sinks
Speaker 4: and dies. And I think that that kind of brutality
Speaker 4: was saved for movies of the seventies, eighties and nineties
Speaker 4: for children say yeah, bad things happen and you've just
Speaker 4: got to get on.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty stunning moment. I have a few
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, and the first thing is, and I
Speaker 2: think you alluded to it. We sent one text message. Ugly,
Speaker 2: I don't converse with the person watching a movie because
Speaker 2: I want to hear all your thoughts.
Speaker 1: But when something like.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, the horses are surrounded the seat of sadness,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking one, this would have been a
Speaker 2: more powerful moment if there was more time leading up
Speaker 2: and we got to know the horse like the horse
Speaker 2: is almost a.
Speaker 1: Bit more of that relationship. So as much as it
Speaker 1: was full on seeing a horse drown and it was wow.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think how they actually did it
Speaker 2: from a movie point of view, but to tray you,
Speaker 2: actually he's the one with all the sadness. The horse
Speaker 2: is just being a horse, yes, fearful, and I think
Speaker 2: it should have been instead the swamp of sadness, a
Speaker 2: swamp of fear. And that's the more I think powerful thing.
Speaker 2: To play with it, you have to go through this
Speaker 2: swamp and not becomemfortable.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good test because there's a bit of
Speaker 4: artistic license used. When a tray you a tray you
Speaker 4: of course becomes incredibly sad that ar tax has died,
Speaker 4: but the swamp doesn't swallow him up. So yeah, the
Speaker 4: swamp of fear where he has to just bite down
Speaker 4: and horses and unnaturally fearful creatures, Peter, they're prey creatures.
Speaker 4: They're flat toothed grass eaters and so they've always been
Speaker 4: eaten by other things. I was watching how they did it.
Speaker 4: But they've obviously got a bit of a pool set
Speaker 4: up around the horse and they just keep filling it up,
Speaker 4: and I could see fear in that horse's.
Speaker 1: Eyes really good, quite uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Next scene it's just the mud. He's disappeared into the mud.
Speaker 4: But tray you can really ride because when he gets
Speaker 4: on attacks and he's just bolting in search of a
Speaker 4: cure for the Empress to save Fantasia from the nothingness.
Speaker 4: He just rides for ages. And that's another thing I
Speaker 4: noticed about the film. It's very light on dialogue. There's
Speaker 4: very little said, so there's a lot of that eighty
Speaker 4: syinth and beautiful landscape and so not many effects. When
Speaker 4: you say it's one of the most expensive films ever
Speaker 4: made in Germany, it must have been all the sets,
Speaker 4: because quite elaborate sets.
Speaker 2: The puppetry I think, or whatever I got. The special
Speaker 2: effects actually were one of my favorite things about it.
Speaker 2: I think there's obviously some green screen that looks a
Speaker 2: bit dated, but I think the creatures were all very
Speaker 2: forty years this year or very impressive.
Speaker 1: Actually, rock Bider, I think he was called. He was great.
Speaker 4: He was very believable, and also more of the Big Turtle.
Speaker 4: It was fantastic, So all of that stuff, and of
Speaker 4: course the flying Dragon. Yeah, whose name has eluded me.
Speaker 2: So these are the two things I thought of. One
Speaker 2: I really and slightly annoyed. I didn't see this as
Speaker 2: a nine year old in the cinema. This comes out
Speaker 2: in eighty four, born in seventy five. I would have
Speaker 2: this movie would have meant a lot to me. I
Speaker 2: think he would have saw.
Speaker 4: It, identifying with both central characters, which is a parallel
Speaker 4: universe between Betrayu and Bastion yep. And they're both stricken
Speaker 4: with grief. Bastian's lost his mum, a tray who loses arttacks.
Speaker 4: They're both on a quest that's tend to get away
Speaker 4: from bullies who eventually.
Speaker 1: Could get their own.
Speaker 4: There's a bit of poetic justice in the end from
Speaker 4: foul course swooping down into the streets of some American
Speaker 4: city to chase bullies into a dump STU. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: as a kid, you would have been Charlie Bucket, or
Speaker 4: you would have been you know, you would have been
Speaker 4: straight up there.
Speaker 2: As an adult, it didn't have the same You try
Speaker 2: to put yourself in nine ye old shoes, but all
Speaker 2: I can say is if I had to send this
Speaker 2: as a nine year old, this movie would have meant
Speaker 2: a lot to me. As an adult. I'm like, it
Speaker 2: seems light on detail. I don't know why a lot
Speaker 2: of these things are actually really happening. I think this movie,
Speaker 2: out of all the movies we've covered on you ain't
Speaker 2: seen nothing yet. I would love to see a remake,
Speaker 2: I think, And usually you might kind of think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a special effects thing, it's not. I just think
Speaker 2: they like that opening scene with the dad who's making
Speaker 2: his rocky eggs. He's putting some orange juices in there,
Speaker 2: and it's like your mum's dead.
Speaker 1: Get over it. Joined the swimming team please, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't go for the swimming team,
Speaker 4: and we've got to get on with the job. But
Speaker 4: also then there's no, you don't see the Father again. No,
Speaker 4: there's there's a bit of that in that film, where
Speaker 4: like that storyline is superfluous and we're just stopping it there.
Speaker 1: But you could really have the Father being on board.
Speaker 2: I think this is an epic potentially, like an epic tale,
Speaker 2: and I don't think they've committed to getting all of
Speaker 2: the stakes right to make it feel epic, like tray,
Speaker 2: even a tray you go on this mission, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: You can't take any weapons. Why can't he take weapons?
Speaker 1: Who is a tray? You set him up? We don't
Speaker 1: really know he's a kid? Why is he so?
Speaker 2: Because certainly from the performance, and like he doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to me to be a worrier of note, he's a
Speaker 2: brave kid.
Speaker 4: Sure that he does in the end, you know, pick
Speaker 4: up a piece of stone and kill themore very quickly too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but especially revealing that I'm the one you're looking for,
Speaker 4: who's going to save the Empress. You're representing the powers
Speaker 4: of darkness. You know, he's the Darth Vader character in
Speaker 4: the whole thing. And it has got elements of Star
Speaker 4: Wars there too, well, the exploding sanctuary of Fantasia. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know the Royalty in exile. I didn't see
Speaker 4: it in nineteen eighty four, Peter, because my team were
Speaker 4: about to win the first of back to back premierships
Speaker 4: and so I was a bit more football obsessed. In
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four with Essendon footy club, I of course
Speaker 4: had outgrown children's movie so I wasn't going along to
Speaker 4: see the never ending story. I was probably more of
Speaker 4: a Beverly Hills cop guy. I can't remember what else
Speaker 4: in eighty four Leath the Weapons Are Leath the Weapon.
Speaker 2: Of course, we might be heading more into eighty six
Speaker 2: eighty seven with those movies, I think, But maybe would
Speaker 2: you have even give Tutsi a run?
Speaker 4: I watched Twutsy again recently, and it's one of my
Speaker 4: favorite films.
Speaker 1: It's a great one.
Speaker 4: I love that film. Dustin Hoffman is amazing, and again
Speaker 4: Bill Murray's in it too. I thought that, you know,
Speaker 4: the gender politics discussed in that film still probably beyond
Speaker 4: their time, very prescient today. So he plays this female hero,
Speaker 4: of course, and he's a man, and the whole world
Speaker 4: and university creates is sensational. And Sidney Pollick and it
Speaker 4: is great too as the manager, so many good people.
Speaker 4: Michael Dorsey, my name's Michael Dorsey. Jessica Lang is amazing
Speaker 4: in that she's sensational. So Tutsi was definitely one of
Speaker 4: my favorite films back then. I remember it was came out.
Speaker 4: I reckoned in eighty three because I went through a
Speaker 4: period of unemployment disillusionment after finishing school at Wi FRI's College.
Speaker 4: So I was sitting on the couch with a pack
Speaker 4: of Winnie Blues, just dropping in my dole form every
Speaker 4: fortnight watching the Mike Walsh Show, and it was Michael
Speaker 4: Hollywood housend with this interview with Dustin Hoffman talking about
Speaker 4: Tutsi and talking about the whole thing, is like, Oh,
Speaker 4: I want everything about this. I want to be Mike Walsh.
Speaker 4: I want to have my own show on the TV.
Speaker 4: I want to be a showbiz reporter. I want to
Speaker 4: be an actor. I want to be everything in this.
Speaker 4: One day, my day came in for a work and said,
Speaker 4: you can't sit on the couch for the rest of
Speaker 4: your life. Mate, You've got to get a job or
Speaker 4: get out. And It's like, are you crazy. You can
Speaker 4: sit on a couch for the rest of your life.
Speaker 4: I'm not going anywhere. All right, let's get back to
Speaker 4: never ending story. What did you think of the when
Speaker 4: you had to pass through almost a gate. We had
Speaker 4: two busty statues. You'd have to say.
Speaker 1: There was a shot where he looks like kind.
Speaker 4: Of sphinxes sphinxes, Yeah, yeah, but it was the en
Speaker 4: route to the Southern Oracle. To get the answer to
Speaker 4: what ails the Empress and how to cure her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are so across these details because I must
Speaker 2: say a lot of them. It's like going, I'll spend
Speaker 2: a lot of his movie going what's he doing?
Speaker 1: What's he?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: It just felt like, okay, you need to pass this
Speaker 2: challenge now. Yeah, so that the classic that is the
Speaker 2: I said quest Yes, yes, but for me it lacked
Speaker 2: like a real light because they hadn't kind of explained
Speaker 2: why he couldn't have weapons and why this is going
Speaker 2: to be so dangerous, and why the Empress was falling
Speaker 2: ill and what he was actually really trying to achieve,
Speaker 2: and then then nothingness was kind of for me fell
Speaker 2: a little bit was too disembodied.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. The nebulus is a good word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, okay, I can see you kind of
Speaker 2: going for like maybe a force kind of thing Star
Speaker 2: Wars is. I mean, being a big Star Wars fan,
Speaker 2: I could see the Star Wars influences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of influences.
Speaker 4: When so when he's going through en route to the
Speaker 4: Southern Oracle, he passes through these two I think they
Speaker 4: refer to them as sphinxes. They expose your true self
Speaker 4: true and so if you are not a genuine person,
Speaker 4: then their eyes open up and a laser beam shoots
Speaker 4: down and you are destroyed. And so with this kind
Speaker 4: of night in shining armor tries to go through first.
Speaker 4: So a little bit of the Monty pathons about it.
Speaker 4: That too, So he is not his true self. He's
Speaker 4: a pretender in a suit of armor. We want to
Speaker 4: Tray you to be his true self. But he gets
Speaker 4: to the middle and starts to doubt himself. Now, doubt
Speaker 4: isn't a problem if you're still being true to yourself. Yes,
Speaker 4: And so then they're yelling to him, you've got to run.
Speaker 4: Now a scientists that helped him out, that observes this
Speaker 4: whole process every day, and so he has to run
Speaker 4: and the laser being shoot down and he's lucky to
Speaker 4: get away with it. I think again, like the swamp
Speaker 4: of fear, we need to see that Tray doubts himself,
Speaker 4: but he's true to himself. Yeah, and that scientist whose
Speaker 4: name I can't remember, google or google, he goes, if
Speaker 4: most men are shown their true selves, they would scream
Speaker 4: in fear. I thought, that is that's a really good line.
Speaker 4: If you were shown your true self. They're like, you
Speaker 4: know how cowardly you were, or how duplicitous or that
Speaker 4: negative side, but then again and you might be surprised
Speaker 4: at how brave or pure that you are.
Speaker 2: So he walks through there and he does look up
Speaker 2: and there is you know, these are busty sphinx is.
Speaker 2: You know, it feels like obviously there's not gonna be
Speaker 2: too much to be sillacious shots but in a kid's film,
Speaker 2: But it felt like they've gone for it in this one.
Speaker 2: The eyes kind of open up and actually shoot at him,
Speaker 2: but he's able to jump through.
Speaker 1: And I thought that's a confusing thing for me because
Speaker 1: they haven't read him at all. He's a good guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a warrior spirit and he's on a quest
Speaker 4: to save Fantasia and to get an answer. And if
Speaker 4: you can't get that through your sphinxy heads and you're not.
Speaker 1: Up for the job, I think.
Speaker 2: And in the remake, which I'll be producing, like I
Speaker 2: would have had the eyes open, like starting starting to open,
Speaker 2: almost like they're kind of considering where the street you
Speaker 2: can still build the tension without actually shooting it and
Speaker 2: kind of taking away the worth of I tray you.
Speaker 1: Now, tray you get through that gate, Peter.
Speaker 4: And then he goes on to stage two, Stage two
Speaker 4: of the Southern Oracle and meets the Oracle and they
Speaker 4: are again two busty sphinxes. They're speaking to him and
Speaker 4: they tell him that the answer is he needs to
Speaker 4: find a new name for the child like Empress.
Speaker 1: Again it has to do is changed the name again?
Speaker 2: I would say, why, why is this the key to unlocking?
Speaker 2: And it might be there, like I've only watched it
Speaker 2: the one so feel free. Yes, the podcasts at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com let us know. But why because I read
Speaker 2: that there was some tie in that his mother's name
Speaker 2: was Moonchild, so he's actually giving her his mother's name.
Speaker 2: But that's not If that's the case, that's not clear.
Speaker 2: That is not clear, And it's not clear that his mum.
Speaker 4: Was a massive hippie because his dad's a businessman making
Speaker 4: an egg and orange juice in a blender and telling
Speaker 4: him to stiff upper lip. And then they're saying, we
Speaker 4: need a new name for the Empress, the child like Empress.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, you need a name because her name
Speaker 4: the childlike Empress. Yes, you need un name. They're beseeching
Speaker 4: him to say the name, and she's like, you know
Speaker 4: the name, say the name. So he goes to this window.
Speaker 4: It's like he's going to call out his mum's name,
Speaker 4: and he yells out Moonchild.
Speaker 1: And that was the big connection for me.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, so that's where I am in this
Speaker 4: because once upon a time I was a moonchild.
Speaker 1: Now I'm a Moonman.
Speaker 6: So you.
Speaker 4: You do the math, Pete. Okay, he's yelling my name
Speaker 4: out to me. I was a tray whose mother moonchild
Speaker 4: back in nine point eighty four. That's how I was Moonchild,
Speaker 4: and now I'm Moonman. So I am the sequel and
Speaker 4: I am the never endig story. Do I have dragon
Speaker 4: like qualities to you? If I flap my arms, do
Speaker 4: you think I could take off?
Speaker 1: Yes? I could, and you could ride on my neck, Peter.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. That's I can't believe I watched
Speaker 4: this and not know when he yelled at When he
Speaker 4: yelled at Moonchild, I just started laughing and it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I didn't realize that I was part.
Speaker 1: Of this movie. Well you are reading the book, that's you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are, Bastian.
Speaker 4: Oh I am bashing because my mum also died a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, so my dad's not around anymore
Speaker 4: to tell me to have a stiff upper lip.
Speaker 1: Have you joined the swimming team? See? Are you disappointed?
Speaker 1: And you need to get on with it?
Speaker 2: Mate, You need to get on with it and join
Speaker 2: the swimming I think the ideas in this film are brilliant.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: And there are some great lines. In fact, they had,
Speaker 2: like nihilistic turtle you know in the swamp is kind
Speaker 2: of brilliant. In fact, let's listen, we haven't playing many mala.
Speaker 3: I've bring terrible news. Did you know that the Empress
Speaker 3: is very ill, not mad?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Actually, we don't care.
Speaker 3: If I don't save it, she'll die. There's a terrible
Speaker 3: nothing sweeping over the land. Don't you care about that?
Speaker 3: We don't even care whether or not we care. Do
Speaker 3: you have a call?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: We're a lot shit shit you.
Speaker 5: So I love that.
Speaker 1: That's a great line. Yeah, I don't even care whether
Speaker 1: or not we care.
Speaker 4: Morea's very zen, the ancient one, and so is sitting
Speaker 4: you know, with all this milestrom going on around her
Speaker 4: eventually gives the young warrior a tray. You the instructions
Speaker 4: he needs where to go? Is that when he goes
Speaker 4: to the Crystal Mountain?
Speaker 2: Or No, I think it's pretty because I think the
Speaker 2: swamp of Sadas is almost one of the first things
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gets across and he's got to go to
Speaker 4: the Crystal Mountain. She sounds a little bit like mad
Speaker 4: from Neighbors, doesn't she?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, wouldn't care if we care.
Speaker 4: A bit of a chain smoke and mauler, but a
Speaker 4: definite Yoda quality to it. Yes, wrinkle faced, speaking in riddles.
Speaker 1: Almost like a you know, some kind of reptile or yeah,
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: Look a little bit penile. I'm going to say there was.
Speaker 1: On the side it stands, extends towards the child.
Speaker 4: It's out of the shell, and it's got a lump
Speaker 4: on the back of its neck, and that no one's
Speaker 4: thought that through.
Speaker 2: But I do think Bastian he kind of holds the
Speaker 2: movie together in a way. I think he's really good.
Speaker 2: I think a Tray is not as strong. His dialogue
Speaker 2: was dubbed over, apparently, so I'm not sure who Noah
Speaker 2: Hathaway is. The way I think he's now a martial
Speaker 2: arts expert. I read about his personal life. You know,
Speaker 2: when the personal life in Wikipedia is very short. I
Speaker 2: think the guy who played Bastian his Wikipedia personal life
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: Is it Oliver? Yeah, Barrett Oliver Barnett, Oliver Oliver Barnett
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oliver.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So Oliver belonged to the Church of Scientology, and
Speaker 4: his current religious beliefs are not known. The two line.
Speaker 4: That's disturbing stuff for a child actor. But I thought
Speaker 4: that kid was great, completely believable. And of course you're
Speaker 4: looking at the child actor thinking, oh God, I hope
Speaker 4: your future was okay, because they wig out a lot
Speaker 4: of the time. But how into the story he was,
Speaker 4: And when you're talking about, you know, the remake and
Speaker 4: elements I'd like to bring back. I thought the bookstore
Speaker 4: owner was beautifully mysterious and he knew the boy was
Speaker 4: going to take the book. Yes, and there could have
Speaker 4: been a bit more there too, and he could have appeared.
Speaker 1: At the end.
Speaker 2: I think, so you're not remaking the film for the
Speaker 2: special things. Obviously the special things will be better, but
Speaker 2: I think there's some of those details in this film
Speaker 2: could be clearer and more into and the stakes could
Speaker 2: be a bit high. I did think they'd do a
Speaker 2: good job of setting his mum's passed away, so you're
Speaker 2: you are empathetic towards him. He's been bullied, so already
Speaker 2: you're cheering for Mastion. You know, he gets thrown to
Speaker 2: a dumpster.
Speaker 4: Plus, I think the the nothingness destroying Fantasia can really
Speaker 4: you can have that avatar type environmental message pretty clear
Speaker 4: that the world is being destroyed.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and it's obviously a plea for
Speaker 2: kids and adults alike to keep their imagination, you know,
Speaker 2: ticking over that the guy in the bookstore I thought
Speaker 2: could have been he was kind of almost like Gremlin's.
Speaker 2: They go in and there's very mysterious. I thought that
Speaker 2: maybe like a little bit of mystery about it, Like
Speaker 2: this seemed a little bit too.
Speaker 1: It could have been dimicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it wasn't it could have been black books.
Speaker 4: You almost expect Bob Bill Bailey to walk out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought there was a bit more in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought like like the also the suggestion of that
Speaker 4: he's a bit malevolent, that guy. You don't want danger,
Speaker 4: you can't, but he's you know, coaxing the child towards
Speaker 4: his quest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he kind of turns.
Speaker 2: Just by the fact that he's read five books, he's
Speaker 2: read Lord of the Rings, he's read two thousand legues
Speaker 2: under the Sea.
Speaker 1: Is that enough? I was swayed by that.
Speaker 2: I thought you were well read, little kid, and he
Speaker 2: names the you know. Yeah, I did like it as
Speaker 2: a detail, but I thought I wanted a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I thought that scene could have been a bit longer.
Speaker 2: And I'm not necessarily condoning films to be longer than
Speaker 2: they need to be, but I thought there could have
Speaker 2: been more setting up for this.
Speaker 4: I was actually relieved to see it only around ninety
Speaker 4: four minutes. I think that any kid's movie should be
Speaker 4: around about ninety minutes, and I just find it difficult
Speaker 4: to sit through a longer film. Now, having said that,
Speaker 4: I did watch Oppenheimer and got through it without a problem.
Speaker 1: Thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: But I'm very glad the never ending story ended because
Speaker 4: do they I didn't look this up, but merch because
Speaker 4: Falcore would have been massive.
Speaker 2: Merged, yeah, and you don't think of that as merch.
Speaker 2: So we didn't know his name, like, yeah, massive film
Speaker 2: made in Germany. Germany got behind it as a nation.
Speaker 4: You know, they yeah, they really when they throw their
Speaker 4: weight behind something as a nation, they really commit to it, they.
Speaker 1: Really go for it. I can't think of any other
Speaker 1: examples off the top of my head.
Speaker 4: But no, but the Never Ending Story is a really
Speaker 4: good one to throw you away behind it.
Speaker 2: I imagine it was a little bit of like, we're
Speaker 2: making this film, and this is a film made in
Speaker 2: Germany by you know, I imagine a lot of Germans,
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of American casts in there. But I
Speaker 2: imagine it's also like, this is something that's positive, it's
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with our history, you know, something
Speaker 2: we can be proud of. So I think there might
Speaker 2: have been a little bit of like, yeah, lets this
Speaker 2: could be part of our moving on.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: And because you know, you think about nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 4: it's only forty years after the end of World War Two,
Speaker 4: and so that is relatively recent history. We're talking about
Speaker 4: something that's forty years old now, so of course they
Speaker 4: would love to be seen to be putting a positive
Speaker 4: light back into the world. Yeah, And I think they
Speaker 4: deal it with Never Ending Story because it is a big,
Speaker 4: happy ending.
Speaker 2: And it's pretty war coming down as well, so still
Speaker 2: be going on in Germany. But I let's just quickly
Speaker 2: talk about the and the author of the book this
Speaker 2: owned the movie because he hated the ending. He hated
Speaker 2: the fact that Falkore came into.
Speaker 1: The real world. It was always basically about.
Speaker 2: Bastian kind of disappearing into Fantasia and that world, and
Speaker 2: that he thought broke the fourth wall a little bit
Speaker 2: like him coming in and it's scary. I can understand
Speaker 2: why wolf Gang Penis and maybe one of them. It's
Speaker 2: a nice movie moment, but it doesn't completely make sense.
Speaker 4: No, and what Bashian should be given is the tools
Speaker 4: to go back to the real world as the infant
Speaker 4: human or the child human and confront his own enemies
Speaker 4: and demons with the tools that he's acquired from this
Speaker 4: boy warrior and from Falcore and the childlike Empress.
Speaker 1: So he's now fit.
Speaker 4: The idea of Falkore flying through the streets of an
Speaker 4: unknown American city or unnamed American city kind of had
Speaker 4: for me. Would you fly a jumbo jet down a
Speaker 4: street like that just seemed out of context.
Speaker 2: And one of the Covidis of that that this dragon
Speaker 2: as appears in the real world. I haven't seen the
Speaker 2: sequel apparently the bully steal the book and that kicks off.
Speaker 2: I think that's the sequel, that there's three of them
Speaker 2: as well. Let's talk about good performances. Bastian is fantastic,
Speaker 2: but let's have it. Listen to the childlike empress who
Speaker 2: first time she's ever really appeared, I thought she was extraordinary.
Speaker 5: He doesn't understand that he's the one who has the
Speaker 5: power to stop it. He simply can't imagine that one
Speaker 5: little boy could be that important.
Speaker 3: Is it really me?
Speaker 8: He doesn't know what he has to know, what doesn't
Speaker 8: have to do.
Speaker 5: He has to give me a new name. He's already
Speaker 5: chosen it. He just has to call it out.
Speaker 3: It's only a story.
Speaker 8: It's not real. It's only a story. I tell you now.
Speaker 3: I dream, Bastian. Why don't you do what you dream?
Speaker 8: Bastion? My yeah, ed, give my feet on the ground,
Speaker 8: call my name, Bastion, please save us. All right, I'll go.
Speaker 8: I'm saying you.
Speaker 1: Do, moonshine.
Speaker 2: It took his time, I mean, I guess you know.
Speaker 2: It's a very weird circumstance to me, and to be
Speaker 2: reading a book and realize that you're a part of
Speaker 2: the book. So I understand that it might take some time,
Speaker 2: but when actually saying Bastian, do you need to do?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that annoys me about movies
Speaker 4: when they're teasing out the climax like that, when we
Speaker 4: all know what he needs to do and obviously the
Speaker 4: tempest is getting worse or the apocalypse or whatever, and
Speaker 4: it's honest, now this is going to go forever. Like
Speaker 4: the end of one of those, you know, Avengers movies
Speaker 4: where the monsters are starting to smash up the city
Speaker 4: and then they punch holes in the road and then
Speaker 4: they're destroying everything. I thought, well, who's going to rebuild that?
Speaker 4: You know, you're gone too far. You're not doing good anymore.
Speaker 4: It's maybe time for a cease fire without being too
Speaker 4: pointed about the whole thing, because everything's being destroyed and
Speaker 4: everyone's being killed just to see you two big monsters
Speaker 4: fight it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if he had said moonschild even ten seconds earlier,
Speaker 2: could have saved the city a couple of million dollars.
Speaker 2: Lawrence Mooney Potato homework and you have dived in deep
Speaker 2: to never ending story. As I was watching, I was
Speaker 2: really curious as to what you would think of it,
Speaker 2: the fact that you've come with so much detail and
Speaker 2: understanding of the film.
Speaker 4: My daughter is a horse owner. I'm the father of
Speaker 4: a horse owner, and so we're really into horses now.
Speaker 4: So when there's a horse in a movie, I'm really
Speaker 4: switched on. So when Artax arrives and he rides it,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that kid can ride. He's really like, he
Speaker 4: can properly ride. Then Artax dies in the swamp of
Speaker 4: Sadness and I'm like, what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 4: Then later there's an unclear kind of almost a Planet
Speaker 4: of the Apes reference, where he ends up in an
Speaker 4: ancient civilization and see he sees himself depicted in a
Speaker 4: series of paintings on the wall.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's attacks.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what that was exactly, but it was
Speaker 4: a kind of a foreboding of what was about to happen.
Speaker 4: And then he meets the Godork or the Gouk.
Speaker 2: And I agree that and there's a nice moment. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of nice moments that I'm not quite
Speaker 2: sure how are why they exist. So and thek there's
Speaker 2: a big speech and then he attacks him.
Speaker 4: He reveals that he's empowered by the force behind the nothingness,
Speaker 4: the true darkness, so you don't know whether it's the
Speaker 4: devil or some other malevolent force, and that he's been
Speaker 4: sent to kill the one that will save the Empress.
Speaker 4: And earlier on it's the luck Dragon. The plucks him
Speaker 4: out of the swamp as the Gauk's about to kill him,
Speaker 4: so he thinks he's missed his opportunity, and then he goes, no,
Speaker 4: I am a tray you and then the fight is on.
Speaker 1: It's very brief. It's very brief. He basically leaves and
Speaker 1: gets stabs straight awaund and eyes.
Speaker 2: I would like to have seen a movie now you
Speaker 2: spend a little bit more time on a bit of
Speaker 2: a putting a tray in a bit more danger. Well,
Speaker 2: I think we should head to a cafe now and
Speaker 2: start working on a first draft.
Speaker 1: I think so of the reboot.
Speaker 4: Let's start writing our draft proposal for a grant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lawrence Mooney, I appreciate your time during the Melbourne
Speaker 2: the National Comedy Fils for you to dedicate a few
Speaker 2: hours to not only watch the film, to come in
Speaker 2: and have a chat.
Speaker 1: Peter, we go back a long way.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, you know about one of my first
Speaker 4: memories of you going into the Alphington Dan Murphy at
Speaker 4: the end of ninety seven or ninety eight or maybe
Speaker 4: the beginning, and you had just returned from a full
Speaker 4: moon party in Thailand and you still looked shell shocked.
Speaker 4: You kid, pete aa and you spun around. It's like
Speaker 4: your nerves jangling and say, yeah, I've just just come
Speaker 4: back from Thailand and so yeah, you were still trying
Speaker 4: to close a few doors that were open.
Speaker 1: It it was an adventure. And so some.
Speaker 4: Thirty years down the track, here we are. It's nice
Speaker 4: to nice to be.
Speaker 2: We did have a festival. I think it might have
Speaker 2: been ninety nine. I Reckon where Yourself. Myself and Rove
Speaker 2: spent a.
Speaker 1: Lot of time on Deve.
Speaker 2: Carl and Dave Callum spent a lot of time dancers,
Speaker 2: meeting up after our shows and hitting dance floors and
Speaker 2: then stages at the High Fire Bar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we would go to that bar that's now
Speaker 4: the Cherry Bar in Little lon Star straight. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a pleasure to hang out with you. We go back
Speaker 4: a long way, so nice to see you.
Speaker 1: I love you, mate.
Speaker 2: That was Lawrence Mooney, the Moonman, the Moonchild. I cannot
Speaker 2: believe I didn't actually put those two things together when
Speaker 2: Bastian yelled at from the attic window.
Speaker 1: He's just very switched on Lawrence Mooney, and I was
Speaker 1: very surprised. No, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was actually very grateful because I only got the
Speaker 2: watches the once. Like I said, a lot of the
Speaker 2: detail didn't make a lot of sense to me about
Speaker 2: this movie, but Lawrence was able to kind of articulate
Speaker 2: and navigate the world of Fantasia, and I truly appreciate
Speaker 2: that because, like I said, there were things that got
Speaker 2: a little bit lost on me. Working on the remake soon.
Speaker 2: Will keep you posted on how that is coming along.
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