1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam nycy. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 2: Down to the Jonesy demand of arms of the pub 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: test and today Prime Minister Anthony Albanizei's Joy Division shirt 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: does it pass the pub test? 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: He recently got off an aeroplane Froy. He'd been in Washington, DC, 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 3: all eyes on him. He had big discussions with Donald Trump. 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 3: He knew he'd be photographed at the airport. He gets 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: off the plane in casual dressic. We know he loves 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: his music. He's wearing a Joy Division T shirt. 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Joy Division and it was of a time Joy Division 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: landing into wartime. I guess Nazi fascist propaganda. But then 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: what would you say about you? Two were named after 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: the U two rocket, which the Nazis invented, and we're 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: going to blow up London. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: With interesting because most of us wouldn't know what Joy 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: Division was. 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know until that moment. 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: Well that's the thing we talked about this way until 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: we talked about this. But I'll tell you what it 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: means in a minute. But he was made aware of 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: this on a podcast a number of a couple of 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: years ago in twenty twenty two, that the name was 23 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: taken from a wing of a Nazi concentration camp with 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: Jewish women were forced into sexual slavery. That was the 25 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: Joy Division. And when he was on a podcast with 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: Nigel Marsh in twenty twenty two, he was made aware 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: of that and he said, Wow, that's dark, isn't it. 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: So it's only a T shirt, sure, but if I 29 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: knew that, and I knew I'd be photographed at an airport, 30 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd have worn it. 31 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: And but the dudes of Joy Division they were more 33 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: or less named after that because they wanted people not 34 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: to forget about the atrocities. 35 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: That's right, and that's actually greed about that. That's the 36 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: context for them. But it being worn by a Prime 37 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: minister without that context around it. Susan Lee has said 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: that it's hugely inappropriate at a time when Jewish Australians 39 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: are facing a rise in anti Semitism and families asking 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: for reassurance and unity, the Prime Minister chose to parade 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: an image derived from hatred and suffering. How do you 42 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: feel about this? Is it just a T shirt? Doesn't matter? 43 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: Should Susan lay not bother with this discussion? Albo's Joy 44 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: Division T shirt? Does it pass the pub test? 45 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 5: Made. 46 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: It's just a fand shirt. That's ridiculous. I know whether 47 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the name of the band comes from. So they're going 48 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: to go that far back, They're going to go that 49 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: deep to find something to criticize him just for a panshirt. 50 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Leaves a guy alone and concentrate on what they're doing 51 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: in their lives and no, get offended for nothing. 52 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 5: This is getting ridiculous. It's like the Parliament are a 53 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 5: bunch of school yard wings. Can't wear this T shirt 54 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 5: is offensive? Like, really, Parliament, you need to grow up 55 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: and get over yourself to me, But al go wear 56 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 5: what he wants to wear soa to meet past the subtest. 57 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: No, it doesn't and he knows better as a band 58 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: pointed out that he was fully aware of it, and 59 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 4: he's upsetting the Jewish community and he's doing it deliberately. 60 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 4: So no, it does not pass the pub test. 61 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a problem with the T shirt 62 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: is not intentional. It's one of his favorite bands. What 63 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: if he wears a Diostrates T shirt and Diastrates means 64 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: we're all depressed. He gets picked on about that seasonally. 65 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 4: These are just reset and think at. 66 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: The boshy camping rather than picking about things like this, 67 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: she's just being silly. Definitely not. 68 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 5: My father was a soldier, thought for his country. He 69 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 5: was a prisoner of war for four years. 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Definitely not. 71 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: I'm highly insulted, insulted, mixed and mixed bag. 72 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for all your calls.