WEBVTT - Nurse in antisemitic video charged

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty seventh of February. I'm Zara, I'm Billy. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>a Sydney nurse was charged by New South Wales police

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<v Speaker 1>over an antisemitic video that went viral earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 1>When your time come, how are you doctors? I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, I have a question.

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<v Speaker 1>She's now facing three separate charges and is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>face court next month.

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<v Speaker 2>Zara. So, this story first came to light earlier this

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<v Speaker 2>month when this video that we just played a snippet

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<v Speaker 2>of emerged and it showed two Sydney nurses talking to

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<v Speaker 2>an Israeli content creator and it went viral online.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we need to know about that video?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So, as you said, it was a video that

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<v Speaker 1>went absolutely viral, but it originally was posted by Max Vifer,

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<v Speaker 1>who's an Israeli content creator. In this video, he's seen

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to two nurses on this chat app called chat Roulettka,

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<v Speaker 1>where you can connect with people all across the world.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the nurses initially tells the content creator that

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<v Speaker 1>he is a doctor. We later found out that he

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<v Speaker 1>is a nurse before they then begin to engage with

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<v Speaker 1>Vifa about being Israeli. I'm not going to attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>summarize the video, but I'll play a quick clip about

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the conversation. Let's say, let's say an

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli God beat them, You'll kill them. So if an

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli is in Australia and that's wore something happened to

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<v Speaker 1>him and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Comes to your hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you kill him? Okay, you have no idea how

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<v Speaker 1>many Israeli had a dog came to this hospital. And

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<v Speaker 1>since that conversation was published online, the two nurses have

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<v Speaker 1>been identified and we understand that they were working at

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<v Speaker 1>Bankstown Hospital when that video was recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>And the response to this video at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty universal condemnation. I mean every political leader, well a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of political leaders did a press conference and they

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<v Speaker 2>all condemned what was said by these nurses in these videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Correct, So we had, as you said, condemnation both

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<v Speaker 1>at a state level and then also at a federal level.

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<v Speaker 1>At a state level, the New South Wales Health Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>very shortly after that video surface confirmed that both nurses

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<v Speaker 1>had been stood down and that an investigation would follow.

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<v Speaker 1>In a press conference at the time, Ryan park as

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<v Speaker 1>I said the Health Minister called the video one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most vile, shocking and appalling videos that he had

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. He also said at that time that those

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<v Speaker 1>nurses would never work for New South Wales Health ever again.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he said those things, the investigation was just beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaders across the spectrum echoed this sentiment. We heard from

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime minister, as you said, we heard from state

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<v Speaker 1>premiers at the time, the government's Special envoy to combat

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism, so that's the person that the government assigned

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<v Speaker 1>specifically to deal with this rising anti semitism. Her name's

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<v Speaker 1>Gillian Siegel, and she said reassurance and words are not

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<v Speaker 1>quite enough. They're important and necessary, but they're not sufficient.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that goes to a bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction that we had at the time earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 2>And from my understanding, so there was an investigation into

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<v Speaker 2>what this means for these two people in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what they will now be charged with potentially be charged with.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also they had to investigate whether the claims

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<v Speaker 2>that they said in the video, which was that they

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly threatened to not treat Israeli patient. They had to

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<v Speaker 2>the police had to look into whether that had actually

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<v Speaker 2>occurred by these two nurses at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, And the complexity of this case was made

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<v Speaker 1>apparent very early on by New South Wales Police. They

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<v Speaker 1>issued a statement shortly after the videos saying, as the

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<v Speaker 1>influencer is in Israel and the video is believed to

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<v Speaker 1>have been created in Israel, police need to manage the

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<v Speaker 1>complexities involved in gathering and producing evidence from an overseas

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<v Speaker 1>jurisdiction to meet Australian legal requirements for the evidence to

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<v Speaker 1>be admissible in Australian courts.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say it was created in Israel, that's

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<v Speaker 2>because it was livestream in Israel. But the nurses, to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, were in the hospital in Bankstown in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. But one would presume that this video would have

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<v Speaker 1>formed a large part of the evidence and what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when evidence is collected in another jurisdiction. That's what the

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<v Speaker 1>police is saying was one of the complexities that existed here. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they were still able to pursue this investigation. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that in the same week that the video was released.

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<v Speaker 1>Police raided the home of one of the nurses and

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<v Speaker 1>seized a number of items that raid, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent seizure of those items was conducted by Strikeforce Perl

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<v Speaker 1>And you're going to be hearing quite a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>that because they are the strike force who led this operation,

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<v Speaker 1>and that strike force was established to specifically combat arise

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<v Speaker 1>in anti Semitic attacks across the state. So that's why

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<v Speaker 1>it fell into kind of their jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 2>And have we heard anything from these two nurses in

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<v Speaker 2>the video.

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<v Speaker 1>So will refer to the male nurse and the female nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>The male nurse spoke to the Daily Telegraph shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>the video went online. He claimed his words were, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll quite directly hear a joke and a misunderstanding. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that he intended to use social media to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>and to specifically apologize to the Jewish community, but that

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<v Speaker 1>he needed to speak two detectives first. So again, this

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<v Speaker 1>was at the beginning of the investigation. He also suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that the entirety of what happened was just a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were his words. Again. In terms of the female nurse,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't heard directly from her. Media hasn't had any

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<v Speaker 1>direct interaction with her, but her uncle at the time

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<v Speaker 1>told The Australian that she will come out and make

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<v Speaker 1>a statement when she's ready. He went on to say

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<v Speaker 1>that she's never done anything to hurt anyone. Again, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to some of the allegations included in that video

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<v Speaker 1>about allegedly not treating or you know, allegedly killing Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>patients here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this video comes out earlier this month and

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<v Speaker 2>there is this immediate response you know, from political leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>It goes everywhere in the media, and we hear initially

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<v Speaker 2>from the two nurses. But that was a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago now and we're talking about it today because yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales Police announced that they had charged the

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<v Speaker 2>female nurse. Yeah, what do we know about those charges?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so yesterday morning we found out that a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old woman had been charged with three offenses.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that it is the woman that was in

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<v Speaker 1>that video. The three offenses are as followed, threatening violence

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<v Speaker 1>to a group, the use of carriage services to threaten

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<v Speaker 1>to kill, and the use of a carriage service to menace,

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<v Speaker 1>harass and offend.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick question, when you say carriage service. Is that the

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<v Speaker 2>online platform that streamed this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, it's the service that carried the communication that

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<v Speaker 1>is at the center of the allegation. And so she

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with these three offenses. She was granted conditional

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<v Speaker 1>bail and the Sydney Morning Herald reported what those conditions were.

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<v Speaker 1>So this woman is banned from using any social media,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been required to surrender her passport and she's also

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<v Speaker 1>prohibited from entering any international airport. So those are the

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<v Speaker 1>conditions of the bail. But she is out on bail.

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<v Speaker 1>We are expecting her to appear in court on the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth of March.

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<v Speaker 2>If she is found guilty, does it carry a maximum

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<v Speaker 2>prison sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So the main charge that she's facing this threatening

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<v Speaker 1>violence to a group that carries up to seven years

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<v Speaker 1>in jail, and the New South Wales Police Minister Yasmin

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<v Speaker 1>Catley said yesterday that these are very serious charges and

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<v Speaker 1>it is being dealt with appropriately, which could in the

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<v Speaker 1>instance that she is found guilty, lead to jail time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that covers the woman in the video. But

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<v Speaker 2>as we've been saying, there was also a man in

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<v Speaker 2>this video. Do we know if there will be charges

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<v Speaker 2>laid against him.

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<v Speaker 1>The short answer is no, we haven't been told that

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<v Speaker 1>by New South Wales Police and at the time of recording,

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't been charged with any crimes. We did get

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a sense of how difficult and complex

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<v Speaker 1>this case has been from New South Wales Police Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Webb. She said that detectives had had to overcome

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles and jurisdictional challenges to get to where we are today.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to press charges against the woman. She added

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<v Speaker 1>that detectives should be commended for acting swiftly under enormous

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<v Speaker 1>pressure and public expectation. That we didn't get a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of if there are charges coming down the line for

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<v Speaker 1>the man, or if there isn't enough evidence to charge him,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll just see these three charges against the female nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to end with a broader update on

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<v Speaker 1>Strikeforce peerl because on this podcast we've now spoken about

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<v Speaker 1>a number of anti Semitic attacks that have occurred across

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<v Speaker 1>the state and as I said at the top, this

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<v Speaker 1>strike force was specifically designed to attend to those crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>There have now been fourteen people arrested under this operation

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<v Speaker 1>and there have been seventy six charges laid to date,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just thought that was an interesting figure to

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<v Speaker 1>round this out with.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah, thank you for taking us through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Billy, and thank you so much for.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening to this episode of The Daily Oz. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back again this afternoon with your evening headlines, but until then,

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<v Speaker 2>have a great day. My name is Lily Madden and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a proud Arunda Bunje Lung Chalcotin woman from Gadigal Country.

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