1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the twenty seventh of February. I'm Zara, I'm Billy. Yesterday, 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: a Sydney nurse was charged by New South Wales police 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: over an antisemitic video that went viral earlier this month. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: When your time come, how are you doctors? I want 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: you to remember. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I have a question. 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: She's now facing three separate charges and is expected to 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: face court next month. 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: Zara. So, this story first came to light earlier this 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: month when this video that we just played a snippet 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: of emerged and it showed two Sydney nurses talking to 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: an Israeli content creator and it went viral online. 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 2: What do we need to know about that video? 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? So, as you said, it was a video that 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: went absolutely viral, but it originally was posted by Max Vifer, 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: who's an Israeli content creator. In this video, he's seen 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: speaking to two nurses on this chat app called chat Roulettka, 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: where you can connect with people all across the world. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: One of the nurses initially tells the content creator that 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: he is a doctor. We later found out that he 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: is a nurse before they then begin to engage with 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Vifa about being Israeli. I'm not going to attempt to 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: summarize the video, but I'll play a quick clip about 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: the nature of the conversation. Let's say, let's say an 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Israeli God beat them, You'll kill them. So if an 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Israeli is in Australia and that's wore something happened to 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: him and he. 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Comes to your hospital. 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: Would you kill him? Okay, you have no idea how 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: many Israeli had a dog came to this hospital. And 35 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: since that conversation was published online, the two nurses have 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: been identified and we understand that they were working at 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: Bankstown Hospital when that video was recorded. 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: And the response to this video at the time was 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: pretty universal condemnation. I mean every political leader, well a 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: lot of political leaders did a press conference and they 41 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: all condemned what was said by these nurses in these videos. 42 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct, So we had, as you said, condemnation both 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: at a state level and then also at a federal level. 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: At a state level, the New South Wales Health Minister, 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: very shortly after that video surface confirmed that both nurses 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: had been stood down and that an investigation would follow. 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: In a press conference at the time, Ryan park as 48 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: I said the Health Minister called the video one of 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: the most vile, shocking and appalling videos that he had 50 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: ever seen. He also said at that time that those 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: nurses would never work for New South Wales Health ever again. 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: But when he said those things, the investigation was just beginning. 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Leaders across the spectrum echoed this sentiment. We heard from 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: the Prime minister, as you said, we heard from state 55 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: premiers at the time, the government's Special envoy to combat 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: anti Semitism, so that's the person that the government assigned 57 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: specifically to deal with this rising anti semitism. Her name's 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Gillian Siegel, and she said reassurance and words are not 59 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: quite enough. They're important and necessary, but they're not sufficient. 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: So I think that goes to a bit of the 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: reaction that we had at the time earlier this month. 62 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: And from my understanding, so there was an investigation into 63 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: what this means for these two people in terms of 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: what they will now be charged with potentially be charged with. 65 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: But then also they had to investigate whether the claims 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: that they said in the video, which was that they 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: allegedly threatened to not treat Israeli patient. They had to 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 2: the police had to look into whether that had actually 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: occurred by these two nurses at the hospital. 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And the complexity of this case was made 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: apparent very early on by New South Wales Police. They 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: issued a statement shortly after the videos saying, as the 73 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: influencer is in Israel and the video is believed to 74 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: have been created in Israel, police need to manage the 75 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: complexities involved in gathering and producing evidence from an overseas 76 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: jurisdiction to meet Australian legal requirements for the evidence to 77 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: be admissible in Australian courts. 78 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: And when you say it was created in Israel, that's 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: because it was livestream in Israel. But the nurses, to 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: be clear, were in the hospital in Bankstown in Sydney. 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: Correct. But one would presume that this video would have 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: formed a large part of the evidence and what happens 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: when evidence is collected in another jurisdiction. That's what the 84 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: police is saying was one of the complexities that existed here. However, 85 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: they were still able to pursue this investigation. We know 86 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: that in the same week that the video was released. 87 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: Police raided the home of one of the nurses and 88 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: seized a number of items that raid, and then the 89 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: subsequent seizure of those items was conducted by Strikeforce Perl 90 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: And you're going to be hearing quite a bit about 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: that because they are the strike force who led this operation, 92 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: and that strike force was established to specifically combat arise 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: in anti Semitic attacks across the state. So that's why 94 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: it fell into kind of their jurisdiction. 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: And have we heard anything from these two nurses in 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: the video. 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: So will refer to the male nurse and the female nurse. 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: The male nurse spoke to the Daily Telegraph shortly after 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: the video went online. He claimed his words were, and 100 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: I'll quite directly hear a joke and a misunderstanding. He 101 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: said that he intended to use social media to apologize 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: and to specifically apologize to the Jewish community, but that 103 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: he needed to speak two detectives first. So again, this 104 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: was at the beginning of the investigation. He also suggests 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: that the entirety of what happened was just a mistake. 106 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Those were his words. Again. In terms of the female nurse, 107 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: we haven't heard directly from her. Media hasn't had any 108 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: direct interaction with her, but her uncle at the time 109 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: told The Australian that she will come out and make 110 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: a statement when she's ready. He went on to say 111 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: that she's never done anything to hurt anyone. Again, that's 112 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: going to some of the allegations included in that video 113 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: about allegedly not treating or you know, allegedly killing Israeli 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: patients here in Australia. 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so this video comes out earlier this month and 116 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: there is this immediate response you know, from political leaders, 117 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: It goes everywhere in the media, and we hear initially 118 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: from the two nurses. But that was a few weeks 119 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: ago now and we're talking about it today because yesterday 120 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: New South Wales Police announced that they had charged the 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: female nurse. Yeah, what do we know about those charges? 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: Yes, so yesterday morning we found out that a twenty 123 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: six year old woman had been charged with three offenses. 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: We know that it is the woman that was in 125 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: that video. The three offenses are as followed, threatening violence 126 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: to a group, the use of carriage services to threaten 127 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: to kill, and the use of a carriage service to menace, 128 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: harass and offend. 129 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: Quick question, when you say carriage service. Is that the 130 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: online platform that streamed this conversation. 131 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's the service that carried the communication that 132 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: is at the center of the allegation. And so she 133 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: was charged with these three offenses. She was granted conditional 134 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: bail and the Sydney Morning Herald reported what those conditions were. 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: So this woman is banned from using any social media, 136 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: she's been required to surrender her passport and she's also 137 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: prohibited from entering any international airport. So those are the 138 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: conditions of the bail. But she is out on bail. 139 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: We are expecting her to appear in court on the 140 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: nineteenth of March. 141 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: If she is found guilty, does it carry a maximum 142 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: prison sentence. 143 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Yes, So the main charge that she's facing this threatening 144 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: violence to a group that carries up to seven years 145 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: in jail, and the New South Wales Police Minister Yasmin 146 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: Catley said yesterday that these are very serious charges and 147 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: it is being dealt with appropriately, which could in the 148 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: instance that she is found guilty, lead to jail time. 149 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so that covers the woman in the video. But 150 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: as we've been saying, there was also a man in 151 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: this video. Do we know if there will be charges 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: laid against him. 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: The short answer is no, we haven't been told that 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: by New South Wales Police and at the time of recording, 155 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: he hasn't been charged with any crimes. We did get 156 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: a bit of a sense of how difficult and complex 157 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: this case has been from New South Wales Police Commissioner 158 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: Karen Webb. She said that detectives had had to overcome 159 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: obstacles and jurisdictional challenges to get to where we are today. 160 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: I need to press charges against the woman. She added 161 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: that detectives should be commended for acting swiftly under enormous 162 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: pressure and public expectation. That we didn't get a sense 163 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: of if there are charges coming down the line for 164 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: the man, or if there isn't enough evidence to charge him, 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: and we'll just see these three charges against the female nurse. 166 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I just want to end with a broader update on 167 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: Strikeforce peerl because on this podcast we've now spoken about 168 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: a number of anti Semitic attacks that have occurred across 169 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: the state and as I said at the top, this 170 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: strike force was specifically designed to attend to those crimes. 171 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: There have now been fourteen people arrested under this operation 172 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: and there have been seventy six charges laid to date, 173 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: so I just thought that was an interesting figure to 174 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: round this out with. 175 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: Sarah, thank you for taking us through it. 176 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: Thanks Billy, and thank you so much for. 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: Listening to this episode of The Daily Oz. 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