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Speaker 1: to work? Well, Lucy Fagans from the Design Files can

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to know what does Lucy's home office

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Speaker 1: is doctor Ramantha Imba. I'm an organizational psychologist and the

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Speaker 1: founder of behavior science consultancy Inventium, and this is how

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Speaker 1: I work a show about how to help you do

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Speaker 1: your best work. So let's start by hearing about what

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Speaker 1: Lucy's home office setup looks like. I must say my

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Speaker 1: home office setup is not ideal in that I don't

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Speaker 2: So my home office setup.

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Speaker 3: Is all my computer gear on my dining table, along

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I have found I guess how long have

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Speaker 3: And beyond that, there is a lot to be said

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're so much better at really doing this,

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Speaker 4: And where are some good retailers or good brands to

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like I wouldn't even know where to

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Speaker 3: Cult is a great stocks of all different furniture and

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Speaker 3: And one of this brand, say stock is Hay which

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Speaker 3: Some of their favorite lamps if there's are no Gucci lamps,

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: I'll link to those in the show notes and if

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Speaker 3: So that's the boring but important answer to that question.

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Speaker 2: That you're having meetings with. For me, it's like don't

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: I love that, and Lucy, for people that want to

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Speaker 1: connect with you and the Design Files, what is the

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much so.

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Speaker 3: Our website is the design files dot net and we're

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Speaker 3: on all the socials at the Design Files.

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Speaker 4: Amazing. Lucy, it's been so good to chat.

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