Speaker 1: Get a Peter Helly here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet?
Speaker 3: The movie podcast, where our chat to a movie lover
Speaker 3: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 3: around to watching until now. In today's guests, AFL footballer
Speaker 3: Collingwood Premiership captain Darcymore.
Speaker 1: All below, I want to stay here with you. Get
Speaker 1: the jobber?
Speaker 4: Why hate?
Speaker 1: Snake shocked? Why fail?
Speaker 2: They couldn't haven't a right?
Speaker 4: No, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 3: Back in twenty four I got to say I was
Speaker 3: pretty excited when Collywood used their draft pick on father
Speaker 3: and son recruit Darcy Moore. His father, Peter played with distinction,
Speaker 3: was a Brandlow Medalist, which is the highest honor in
Speaker 3: the game for Collywood, and there were rumors that Darcy
Speaker 3: was a very good footballer and was sure to follow
Speaker 3: in his father's footsteps.
Speaker 2: And how has he done that?
Speaker 3: Well, he's bloody killed it, That's what he's done in
Speaker 3: the best possible way. Darcy Moore is not only a
Speaker 3: fantastic footballer, he's a key defender. He's played one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty games for the Black and White. This year
Speaker 3: he became the captain of the Collingwood Football club, and
Speaker 3: this year he also brought us flag sixteenth. The sixteenth
Speaker 3: Premiership Cup arrived at Collingwood and Darcy Moore was the
Speaker 3: man who received the cup from his father alongside coach
Speaker 3: Craig McCrae, the ted Lasso of AFL football.
Speaker 2: He'm always more than just a footballer.
Speaker 3: He is the perfect modern man leading and now progressive
Speaker 3: modern club.
Speaker 2: Darcy is articulate.
Speaker 3: There are times when he has made a speech on
Speaker 3: Anzac Day or the Big Freeze where he has spoken
Speaker 3: and not just spurted out cliches, but he has put
Speaker 3: thought into his speech.
Speaker 2: Particularly on ANTC Day.
Speaker 3: I reckon there were probably seventeen other club captains in
Speaker 3: the AFL going wow, we may need to lift our
Speaker 3: game here. He is, like I said that, the perfect
Speaker 3: man to be leading a club. He is kind, he
Speaker 3: is progressive, he's articulate, he's smart. He's studying business, international
Speaker 3: business in his spare time. He's a very impressive footballer
Speaker 3: and more so an impressive young man.
Speaker 2: And I'm bloody stoked.
Speaker 3: You can obviously tell I'm bloody stoked to be hanging
Speaker 3: with my premiership skipper today.
Speaker 1: My name is Darcy Moore and my three favorite films
Speaker 1: are Kill Bill Volume one.
Speaker 5: Silly Caucasian girl likes to play with samurai swords. You
Speaker 5: may not be able to fight like a samurai, but
Speaker 5: you can at least die like a samurai.
Speaker 1: Kill Bill Volume two, Just twin as girls.
Speaker 5: What did you say to Bayama to make him snatch
Speaker 5: out your eye? I called him a miserable old fool.
Speaker 1: Bad idea. And Priscilla, Queen of the desert.
Speaker 2: What have we got here? Ay, a couple of show girls?
Speaker 2: We Where did you ladies come in from your rhinus?
Speaker 2: Could I please have a stomach?
Speaker 6: No, you can't have you can't have nothing.
Speaker 2: We've got nothing here for people like you.
Speaker 6: Nothing.
Speaker 3: Now listen here, you mullet, Why don't you just light
Speaker 3: your tampon, blow your box apart, because it's the only
Speaker 3: bang you're ever gonna get, sweetheart.
Speaker 1: And up until this week, I had never seen the
Speaker 1: eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've seen you, man book slave there for like.
Speaker 6: Five years now.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, I thought I would have Remember, it might
Speaker 1: be the hair, what.
Speaker 6: Might it changes a lot of the color.
Speaker 7: That's why you might not recognize me.
Speaker 4: It's called blue Ruin right.
Speaker 6: Snap your name, huh?
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 6: Anyway.
Speaker 7: This company makes a whole line of colors with equally
Speaker 7: snap names. Red Menace, Scale of Fever, Green Revolution.
Speaker 6: Gotta be a job coming up with those names.
Speaker 4: You think there could possibly be a job like that?
Speaker 2: I mean, how many hair colors could there be?
Speaker 6: Maybe someone's got that job, Agent Orange.
Speaker 4: I came up with that one.
Speaker 7: I apply my personality at a paste.
Speaker 2: Boy, I doubt that very much.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't know me, so.
Speaker 2: You don't know, do you.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, knows this one.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3: Jim carries tightly Where Joel has woken up in a
Speaker 3: funk on Valentine's Day, He's car has been sod swatted. He,
Speaker 3: against all instincts, impulsively heads to a beach in Montauk.
Speaker 3: On a train, he mates Clementine Kate Winslet, providing Billie
Speaker 3: Eilish with an aesthetic blueprint. Clementine is a front forward
Speaker 3: kind of gal, and despite her invasion of Joel's personal space,
Speaker 3: she gets into his heart. But as we know, not
Speaker 3: all relationships are destined for smooth waters, and after a
Speaker 3: heartbreaking breakup, Clementine and Joel have a procedure to erase
Speaker 3: each other from their memories. What Follows is a science
Speaker 3: fiction romance movie about loss, love, heartache, memory and truth
Speaker 3: written by the great Charlie Kauffman, the man behind being
Speaker 3: John Malkovich adaptation who took out the Best Original Screenplay
Speaker 3: Oscar Quick from Fact, the only Best Original Screenplay Oscar
Speaker 3: winner for a movie not nominated for Best Film. It
Speaker 3: was directed by Michelle Gondre, containing two acting superstars in
Speaker 3: arguably their best career performances, as well as a superb
Speaker 3: support cast with Tom Wilkinson, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood and
Speaker 3: Curtsin Dunst Darcy Moore.
Speaker 2: Have you had anyone erase from your memory?
Speaker 1: Would I have anyone who RaSE my memory? Or I
Speaker 1: have you? No? I haven't you have haven't had? I
Speaker 1: haven't had the procedure so far, and having watched the film,
Speaker 1: that is the central question, isn't it? Would you? Would
Speaker 1: you do it? If you could? I think that was
Speaker 1: my main reflection.
Speaker 3: It really is, and we were there were There are
Speaker 3: big themes in this movie, and that is the central theme.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. Would you have this procedure.
Speaker 3: We will certainly get to that. Why, well, what did
Speaker 3: you know about this film? Had you heard about it?
Speaker 1: I had, Yeah, I definitely heard of it as like
Speaker 1: you said, one of sort of Jim Carrey and Kate
Speaker 1: Wins that's sort of top critically acclaimed films. And I
Speaker 1: knew vaguely there was a science fiction element to it,
Speaker 1: but never I actually didn't know it was a love
Speaker 1: story either. I thought it was a sort of a
Speaker 1: sci fi kind of futuristic film. I didn't know how
Speaker 1: the part the film centrally is about relationships really and love,
Speaker 1: which was really surprising to me as I watched it.
Speaker 1: I was kind of had the lens on of like
Speaker 1: this the sci fi sort of view, and then it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it surprised me how much it was about humanity and
Speaker 1: human relationships. And that's one of the things I thought
Speaker 1: was cool was they didn't focus much on the technology
Speaker 1: or the science sci fi element of what was going
Speaker 1: on really at all.
Speaker 3: It was it's a really I think it's a brilliant
Speaker 3: piece of it. Like they nobody questions it in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they ain't really explain it that much. In fact, with
Speaker 3: David Cross when he gives the card over, which is
Speaker 3: what we would I think is the inciting incident of
Speaker 3: the movie, which is we speak about a little bit
Speaker 3: on this podcast when when I can kind of pick it.
Speaker 2: But it's the action that makes all the other action happen.
Speaker 2: What makes this moment the first domino, if you like.
Speaker 3: And I think it's Stave Across giving him the card
Speaker 3: because he wasn't supposed to, and you know, Joel was
Speaker 3: still trying to work.
Speaker 2: Do I trying to make up that Clevin tinner.
Speaker 3: I've got this little trinklet, you know, and I want
Speaker 3: to get into her, but she's not, you know, she's
Speaker 3: she's seen this other guy, this young guy. And David
Speaker 3: Cross actually says, I wrote I wrote it down. He says,
Speaker 3: it's some place that does a thing, which I think
Speaker 3: God of sums up their kind of attitude towards the science,
Speaker 3: which is perfect.
Speaker 2: And even the fact that they go to this place.
Speaker 2: It's not like this huge kind of medical center. It's
Speaker 2: just it's dodgy, little you know, you want to get
Speaker 2: your teeth done there you wouldn't get if your chiropractice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a low budget dentist something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's brilliantly And.
Speaker 1: Then it wasn't. I thought straight away as soon as
Speaker 1: they'd sort of got into that part of the film,
Speaker 1: I thought straight away of comparing it to something like
Speaker 1: Black Mirror, like a more modern portrayal, and in that
Speaker 1: they're constantly reinforcing the technology element, how it works, the practicalities,
Speaker 1: the logistics of these sorts of futuristic technologies. But this
Speaker 1: film didn't even try to do that. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: point of the film at all, which I thought was
Speaker 1: really cool. Was a really cool contrast, and then the
Speaker 1: idea that it was kind of really the ideas were
Speaker 1: very ahead of its time. Yeah, when you consider it,
Speaker 1: what was it made in two thousand and three and four,
Speaker 1: when you know now we're talking about AI and all
Speaker 1: these sorts of questions and shows like Black Mirror are
Speaker 1: being made. Yeah, that struck me is it had this
Speaker 1: real two thousand and four aesthetic. Even the daggy computer
Speaker 1: on the desktop in the apartment, I.
Speaker 2: Think it was an Amstrad, which is was famously like
Speaker 2: it was kind of synonymous with not having a good memory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even the amount of cards. It was very
Speaker 3: much the men of extension cards and cards that were there.
Speaker 3: It was like it was messy. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 3: was a really beautiful part of the whole movie. So
Speaker 3: let's all bet your three favorite films.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Some people know their three favorite films straight away.
Speaker 3: Some people have to really think that. Some people want
Speaker 3: to have four or five in there. You came with two,
Speaker 3: and you had to scratch around for a third. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I've just thought of a fourth as well. Then okay,
Speaker 3: so kill Bill voting one and two. I think it's
Speaker 3: the first time I've had somebody put in sequels into
Speaker 3: their like we've had people say Godfather Part two. Because
Speaker 3: I always say Godfather one and two a lot of
Speaker 3: my favorite film I have a hard time separating them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Godfather Part two, Yeah, at a squeeze.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm normally the same. I say, kill Bill, treating
Speaker 1: both of them as one film.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But because I couldn't think of any others, it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a hack. Gave me two of the three,
Speaker 1: and then I quickly perused your list of classic films
Speaker 1: that you haven't spoken about yet on the cod and
Speaker 1: that was where I read Priscilla, Queen of the Desert,
Speaker 1: And remember that fondly. Yeah, so that's definitely up there.
Speaker 1: And then just as we're talking about sort of technology
Speaker 1: and special effects, I thought of everything everywhere all at once.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well it's funny because when I was watching this,
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of films where a really
Speaker 2: big idea has been executed in such a great fashion.
Speaker 2: That's a messing movie, I thought of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same. I thought there was a parallel between Eternal
Speaker 1: Sunshine and Everything Everywhere in the way it was made,
Speaker 1: the process like really complex, sort of scientific futuristic things
Speaker 1: that with not great digital special effects or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It was both of them have a real analogue feel
Speaker 1: to them, like as Joel's in memories that are getting deleted,
Speaker 1: it's really it's not digitally done. Behind him on the scene,
Speaker 1: you can tell it's all physical, and I love that
Speaker 1: part of it. It made it feel really authentic and
Speaker 1: really real or something. And that made me think of
Speaker 1: everything everywhere all at once, because I remember reading about
Speaker 1: the way they made that film and it was literally pushing,
Speaker 1: you know, wheeling people on office chairs like this and
Speaker 1: pushing people over rather than digitally making it sort of
Speaker 1: going into other universes.
Speaker 3: In this film like there's scenes where like Jim Carrey
Speaker 3: is in the dream state, let's call it, and he's
Speaker 3: seeing himself in the in the doctor's seat, and he
Speaker 3: was actually physically like they didn't there was no tricks,
Speaker 3: like he had to likely put on a beanie or
Speaker 3: take it off, sit down, and then when the cameras
Speaker 3: up and run around get back to where he was
Speaker 3: looking at, you know, he's supposed to be looking at
Speaker 3: like it was all in camera, you know. And even
Speaker 3: that scene where he's baby Joel. Yeah, he's got his table, Yes,
Speaker 3: Kate wins. That's big in the in the in the foreground,
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, it looks like a kid, but
Speaker 3: it's all it's all done real, like it's just all
Speaker 3: you know, perspectives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. I think that gives the film just
Speaker 1: a certain aesthetic that is different to those more modern
Speaker 1: ones that have special effects. And I don't know, even
Speaker 1: those scenes where he's walking and following her and then
Speaker 1: he follows her and then he ends up back where
Speaker 1: he started. Yeah, he goes back the other way, and
Speaker 1: it's the set. You can tell that the set is
Speaker 1: just changing and it's just camera work. It's not it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel digital, which is really cool.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. So Michelle Gundrey was his first film.
Speaker 3: It's a French guy and he was a music video director,
Speaker 3: so he don't like food fighters ever long did a
Speaker 3: lot of White Stripes videos, a lot of from the
Speaker 3: Elephant album, and did Chemical Brothers. One of his famous
Speaker 3: ones is Fat Boys Slam, his weapon of choice with
Speaker 3: Christopher Walken just dancing through a hotel like a hotel lobby,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: Just dances through the whole song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's what where he's Fatially you can
Speaker 3: tell this couldn't have been made by any It couldn't
Speaker 3: have been written by anybody else but Charlie Kaufman, and
Speaker 3: it's made I don't think by anybody else. Michelle Gondree,
Speaker 3: So kill Bill that this surprised me. I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: gone does he loves his violence.
Speaker 1: Hong Kong action because obviously Kill.
Speaker 2: Bill going Wan and to you know, lots of violent
Speaker 2: Tarantino great films. But what do you love about them?
Speaker 1: I think what I love about them beyond just enjoying
Speaker 1: the films and the way they're made and the genius
Speaker 1: of them, it's about I think that were the first
Speaker 1: films I watched, I reckon. I was about sixteen or seventeen,
Speaker 1: and they were the first films I watched that sort
Speaker 1: of showed me what films could be, what cinema could be,
Speaker 1: like something so different and so unique, scenes that go
Speaker 1: for absurdly long time, shifting between sort of a Hollywood
Speaker 1: action film to a Hong Kong violent super gory film,
Speaker 1: to a cartoon to a you know, with Asian stylistic elements,
Speaker 1: and then back to American mixing it all together. I
Speaker 1: just thought I'd never seen a film do that before
Speaker 1: and jump around, I suppose with convention, the way that
Speaker 1: kill Bill does and the way that Tarantino does. And
Speaker 1: I think when I think about that film, I remember
Speaker 1: the experience of watching it for the first time and
Speaker 1: being like, WHOA, almost like I've got some watching to do,
Speaker 1: like to see what films could be. And it was
Speaker 1: just and beyond that. I just thought it was so
Speaker 1: clever the way the whole thing was constructed, and just
Speaker 1: so entertained and loved, absolutely loved, loved it from beginning
Speaker 1: to end. And I reckon I turned it off and
Speaker 1: then watched it again from the start because it's.
Speaker 3: So interesting you say what movies can be, because we
Speaker 3: do get used to a certain template and what movies are,
Speaker 3: whether it be romantic comedies or dramas. And when a
Speaker 3: film comes along like you, Kill Bill's or Everything Everywhere
Speaker 3: and Internal Sunshine, the way they pop and the way
Speaker 3: they can pop in your brain is special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And some and I totally get some people
Speaker 1: are like, I just want to sit there and I
Speaker 1: want there to be a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Speaker 1: I want it to be not non offensive, just easy
Speaker 1: to watch. I want it to be resolved and that's it,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. And then there are those people who
Speaker 1: you know, want to watch a film and be challenged
Speaker 1: and be taken on a journey. And I think Kill
Speaker 1: Bill probably showed me at that age how exciting it
Speaker 1: can be when you have one of those experiences watching
Speaker 1: your movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Priscilla, you and I have seen when it
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say no, no, I was when it came out.
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would.
Speaker 3: It would have come out because it came out the
Speaker 3: same year as a steady year for shame films.
Speaker 2: Because Meal's wedding was okay.
Speaker 3: At the same time, it might have been ninety early nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, so I definitely mum, let us watch
Speaker 1: this movie. Me and my sister far too young now
Speaker 1: looking back on it, we were like, we just loved
Speaker 1: really when me and my sister were kids, we just
Speaker 1: loved the music and sort of the lights and the costumes.
Speaker 1: We just thought it was fun. Yeah, sort of that
Speaker 1: was our make because me and my sister loved dancing
Speaker 1: and music and always had music on in the house.
Speaker 1: So it was more like that. It was more that
Speaker 1: angle of it. We didn't actually really probably know what
Speaker 1: it was about. But then it was funny. When I
Speaker 1: was at UNI, probably five or six years ago. Now,
Speaker 1: at Melbourne UNI, you have to do sort of I
Speaker 1: did a business degree, but you have to do a
Speaker 1: certain amount of units outside of your major. It's like
Speaker 1: part of the sort of the course. So I had
Speaker 1: to pick a random unit. So I picked Australian film
Speaker 1: and TV. So I was in this class with all
Speaker 1: these art students talking about and every week it was
Speaker 1: a different Australian film and one of them was Priscilla,
Speaker 1: Queen of the Desert, and I was like oh, I
Speaker 1: love this movie. I used to love it as a kid,
Speaker 1: and I watched it again and then we talked about
Speaker 1: it at union, got the full art student analysis of it,
Speaker 1: not unlike what you and I are doing now, probably
Speaker 1: a bit more complex. And it was really because there
Speaker 1: was some students that had never seen it, some students
Speaker 1: from overseas who watched it, and getting everyone's different take
Speaker 1: on it, and then learning about as well, the significance
Speaker 1: of it when it was made that what was at
Speaker 1: ten minute standing ovation? It can film people made on
Speaker 1: a shoestring budget, all those sorts of things, and the
Speaker 1: impact that it had in Australia and globally, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, that made me see it in a different way,
Speaker 1: like a movie that i'd watched from a young age,
Speaker 1: not really understanding it, just thinking the music was cool
Speaker 1: and fun, and then understanding it was cool. And then
Speaker 1: from there definitely like became a fan of Hugo Weaving
Speaker 1: and Guy Piers and those sort of Australian actors because.
Speaker 3: Because watching it at my agent when it came out,
Speaker 3: like there was there was fun to be had of
Speaker 3: seeing Guy Pierce in this because like we're seeing me
Speaker 3: Neighbors he was.
Speaker 2: You know my Yeah, it was like, oh wow, we
Speaker 2: didn't this is so we won't.
Speaker 1: Expect it was also, was he already big from Neighbors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he had left Neighbors by this
Speaker 3: stage he had left, and I mean my memory kind
Speaker 3: of suggested that it was like the first movie that
Speaker 3: he had done at post Neighbors. There might have been
Speaker 3: one or two maybe weren't as big, but it really
Speaker 3: was like, oh wow, like you know, heswearing and he's
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, he's a drag queen and what bloody
Speaker 3: well you know, and mine's exploded. It was, it was,
Speaker 3: It was so much fun and many there was that
Speaker 3: like confidentially becomes he becomes Guy Pierce. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 3: that year finally because Mirror was wedding. I think he's
Speaker 3: also sits alongside that, and they deserve the sit alongside
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: I think brilliant. Yeah, brilliant totally.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something cool about Australian Yeah, Australian films,
Speaker 1: you know, blowing up and it's just it makes you go,
Speaker 1: it's so important to watch Australian films because yeah, I
Speaker 1: think both those things like Mirria was wedding. They're just
Speaker 1: so iconic, you.
Speaker 3: Know exactly, and they lean into their australianness, whereas I
Speaker 3: think sometimes and I'll put my hand up, I think
Speaker 3: I you know, in a way, I did it as well.
Speaker 3: I made a film in twenty ten cause I love
Speaker 3: you too, and we made it very shiny, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's a very straight It's still a very a
Speaker 3: strange film as straining characters.
Speaker 2: But I think if I was.
Speaker 3: To go again and do another one, I would lean
Speaker 3: in a bit more through the Australia, the same way
Speaker 3: the Kiwi's lean.
Speaker 2: Into their Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we.
Speaker 3: Try to kind of like play to an international audience
Speaker 3: by making it an international film. Yeah, I think leaning
Speaker 3: into your own backyard a bit more. Yeah, it becomes
Speaker 3: more appealing totally.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was definitely one of the things I remember speaking
Speaker 1: about in that UNI class was about looking at it
Speaker 1: from a overseas It's like, what does Australia project to
Speaker 1: the overseas market, like films like Crocodile Dundee. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very exaggerated sort of vision of Australia, like almost
Speaker 1: a caricature stereotype of Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1: Something I'd never thought about before, just like, how would
Speaker 1: how are we? How would you be perceived watching Australian films?
Speaker 1: What would you think about us?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think sometimes we worry about too much.
Speaker 3: I think those films prove that, you know, like it
Speaker 3: was winning does It's not necessarily a flattering.
Speaker 2: Australia at all. But yeah, I think you have to
Speaker 2: kind of I don't watch films like that.
Speaker 3: If I watch an American film or a French film
Speaker 3: and like, go all French people are like what I'm
Speaker 3: seeing yeah on screen at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's talk about the film here to
Speaker 3: talk about today two thousand and four. Michelle Gondred directed
Speaker 3: at Charlie Kaufman is the writer, starring, of course, Jim Carrey.
Speaker 3: Kate Winslet in one of a very few roles playing
Speaker 3: a modern woman. Often she's in period pieces Titanic s
Speaker 3: and Sensibility, Heavenly Creatures, Elijah Wood fresh off the set
Speaker 3: of Lord of the Rings, Early, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Wilkinson
Speaker 3: is always great, and Curson Dunce Darcymore Premiership captain The
Speaker 3: Coming Football Club. Did you enjoy Eternal Sunshine on the
Speaker 3: Spotless Mind?
Speaker 1: I did enjoy it. Yes, it was very surreal and
Speaker 1: engaging and kept me guessing. I loved it.
Speaker 2: And this is a big film.
Speaker 3: And I like to point this out to everyone listening
Speaker 3: and to my guest, that this podcast is basically talking
Speaker 3: to somebody who is still processing a film. I saw
Speaker 3: this when it came out. I've watched it probably now
Speaker 3: half a dozen times. I watched it twice this week.
Speaker 3: In preparation, I've done some deep diving, you know, so
Speaker 3: there are things that I was picking up that.
Speaker 2: I had neither thought about or noticed.
Speaker 3: This is a big film to kind of process in
Speaker 3: a reasonably short amount of time, So feel free to
Speaker 3: allow your your opinions and thoughts to develop as we Okay,
Speaker 3: I think that loud on this. Let's get stuck into
Speaker 3: the central theme, which, like you said at that, would
Speaker 3: you erase somebody from your memory?
Speaker 2: Would you have this procedure?
Speaker 1: I think watching the film initially, my first take is no.
Speaker 1: And I think the film was about, to my mind,
Speaker 1: it was about even though sometimes relationships and being a
Speaker 1: person in the world hurts a lot and doesn't go
Speaker 1: the way that you thought, or it's there's pain associated
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it right to forget about it, or
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it wrong. And I think the ark
Speaker 1: of the characters, like that scene at the end where
Speaker 1: she just says to him, I'm going to get sick.
Speaker 1: You'll get sick of me, and I'm going to be
Speaker 1: too much and you're not going to open up and
Speaker 1: we're going to resent each other and it's not worth it,
Speaker 1: and sort of goes to walk away and he just
Speaker 1: says okay. He's says okay, and then they lean back
Speaker 1: in and it's like saying it's going to be a mess,
Speaker 1: but let's do it again anyway. Yeah, And that was
Speaker 1: I thought. A really central part of it for me
Speaker 1: was like things are complicated, things are messy, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that deleting them is the answer.
Speaker 2: You know, you've made it on the head. I think.
Speaker 3: I think this film and I think it's lovely because
Speaker 3: it's got this amazing tight e turne or sush on
Speaker 3: the spotless mind. It's from like a famous poement, and
Speaker 3: but the key moments are just so simple, Like like
Speaker 3: you said, when he says okay, that's almost the word
Speaker 3: of the movie.
Speaker 2: And then when he also says, we'll play some grabs
Speaker 2: as soon.
Speaker 3: But when he says, when we go back to when
Speaker 3: they first met, which we only just learning that, oh,
Speaker 3: this is not where they met at the start. That's
Speaker 3: not then meeting for the first time. That's a meeting
Speaker 3: for the second time. Yeah, you know, or they think
Speaker 3: it is the first time, but it's actually the second
Speaker 3: time because they've both had the procedure.
Speaker 1: When she's got the blue yeah, so you can sort
Speaker 1: of tell. I liked that element of it as well.
Speaker 1: The color of her hair told you where you were
Speaker 1: and the chronology of the story because it was told
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done some film studies. There's no doubt about this.
Speaker 3: And he says, so the green hair is is that
Speaker 3: the start of the relationship. So when they're sitting up
Speaker 3: the steps, let's actually play a little bit of the
Speaker 3: this is actually the first meeting.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the day we met.
Speaker 4: You were down by the surf.
Speaker 1: I could just make you out in the distance.
Speaker 4: I remember being drawn.
Speaker 8: I like, wow, I'm drawing so much back. You were
Speaker 8: in that orange sweatshirt, and I would come to know
Speaker 8: so well. Even heat eventually at the time, I thought,
Speaker 8: how cool orange switch.
Speaker 1: Hi there, Hi.
Speaker 7: I saw you sitting over here by yourself, and I thought,
Speaker 7: thank god, someone normal who doesn't know how to interact
Speaker 7: with these things either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't ever know what to say.
Speaker 7: I'm Clementine.
Speaker 1: Can we Oh, this's your chicken?
Speaker 6: And then you just took it without waiting for an answer.
Speaker 6: It was a win to me, like, I've already loved us.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gona pay a little bit more because there's
Speaker 3: a bit that I want to get to. But so
Speaker 3: when you saw this bit, were you think the kind
Speaker 3: of like was it like a penny drop in? Did
Speaker 3: you go, oh, so this is actually them first meeting,
Speaker 3: so this is did it kind of make the other
Speaker 3: bit makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I knew. I felt like this scene. I knew
Speaker 1: straight away, Oh this is really this is really actually
Speaker 1: the first time, and thinking about it now, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It shows how well the film's made that you can
Speaker 1: follow it and that it made sense that you didn't
Speaker 1: understand where you were in time until probably this moment
Speaker 1: or maybe or maybe when they were in the house
Speaker 1: when they sort of their first night U this the
Speaker 1: night of that meeting when they were in the house
Speaker 1: and they were she was stealing the booze and running
Speaker 1: around the abandoned house. Yeah, the fact that you could
Speaker 1: make that out and understand, oh, this is actually the
Speaker 1: first time they're meeting. It's not the opening scene of
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 3: Because every film you want to be ahead of your audience.
Speaker 3: You don't want your audience like being ahead of movie,
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. You're trying to raise
Speaker 3: questions and this, but you can get too far ahead
Speaker 3: of the audience where they almost give up. Yes, so
Speaker 3: this stayed, I think because they've got this ticking clock
Speaker 3: device of so he's in he's in this dream state
Speaker 3: and he realizes he's in the dreams and what's because
Speaker 3: he can hear the voices and he's trying to then
Speaker 3: save her Clementine and take it to a place where
Speaker 3: they can't get to, like a memory that they're not
Speaker 3: looking for. So they've got this and they're running through
Speaker 3: and everything's falling apart, and this is a great thing
Speaker 3: of like there's three different Clementines in a way, it's
Speaker 3: like the Clementine that we get to see. There's Joel's
Speaker 3: interpretation of Clementine and then there's like this this almost
Speaker 3: fantasy Clementine where where he's having conversations in a memory,
Speaker 3: like the way you can sometimes you kind of you know,
Speaker 3: you think of things and you kind of go, imagine
Speaker 3: if I did things differently, imagine if I had a state,
Speaker 3: if I if I had said this, and you're having
Speaker 3: conversations with the memory. So there's three different Clementines going on.
Speaker 1: Sort of most most of the film takes place with
Speaker 1: him not even speaking to her, but speaking to his
Speaker 1: memory of her. In those moments. It's it's really strange.
Speaker 1: But then the other thing that probably helps is like
Speaker 1: the jumper in this scene, I remember he said something like,
Speaker 1: oh that I was my eye was caught by your
Speaker 1: orange jumper or something and the one that I'd grow
Speaker 1: to hate. Yeah, you know, and that made you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: this was before, yes, because you're previously seeing them argue
Speaker 1: about the jumper for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they continue this conversation goes on and
Speaker 3: yeah to the original point of this. Another great line,
Speaker 3: which is such a simple thing. There's no flowery language involved.
Speaker 3: It's just is a beautiful final line.
Speaker 6: This is a job, it's going to be constant.
Speaker 3: I know, what do we do?
Speaker 2: And that's that's what again.
Speaker 3: It's one of the you know, the messages I think
Speaker 3: of the film is like you can't control these things,
Speaker 3: you know, and you just have to enjoy the moment
Speaker 3: while you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and like the idea of memory and like
Speaker 1: what we were saying before, it's like it's going to
Speaker 1: be gone soon because they've spent they've spent probably an
Speaker 1: hour before this scene running away from them, their relationship
Speaker 1: getting deleted, and then ultimately like, yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: moment when he's like I'm not gonna you know, it's gone,
Speaker 1: but just enjoy it while we can. It's like, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's so simple, but it's the one it's
Speaker 1: like one of the few that you remember after watching
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 3: And let's go back to the hair because it's a
Speaker 3: good point and you're a man who likes to play
Speaker 3: with the hair.
Speaker 1: Clementine in this film. The next season, the next season
Speaker 1: rounds one to six.
Speaker 3: It's green, so it's green is a spring, simbolizes a spring,
Speaker 3: which is the start of their relationship. Is okay into red,
Speaker 3: which is like the summer of love. It's passion, things
Speaker 3: about their best when they're getting along, probably the best
Speaker 3: with Okay, and then things that the decline. It's orange
Speaker 3: as she goes it agent orange, which obviously has its
Speaker 3: own connotations, but it's it's autumn. It's the things are
Speaker 3: in decline, they're in decay. And then the Blue Ruin
Speaker 3: of Winter, which is the Blue tom Waite Song, which
Speaker 3: is a CD that's kind of in one of the memories,
Speaker 3: and in the Blue Ruin of the Gin when she
Speaker 3: pulls the gin, that's the breakdown of.
Speaker 1: The Okay, the colors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does a great job of, like you said,
Speaker 2: it just time codes it a bit for you.
Speaker 1: You can kind of it's really the only thing that
Speaker 1: you well, watching it for the first time, it was
Speaker 1: the only thing that I whenever if I got confused
Speaker 1: about where we were, that was the first thing that
Speaker 1: I'd sort of, yeah, look to about what colors her hair?
Speaker 1: Oh this was before they had that fight or after they.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, And even if you weren't able to kind
Speaker 3: of pinpoint that like you have I reckon, if you're
Speaker 3: watching it, you kind of go, well, at least it
Speaker 3: means this is a different time period, so that it
Speaker 3: tells you they're playing with time because it keeps on
Speaker 3: going back and forth.
Speaker 2: Kate wins.
Speaker 3: They had to wear wigs because often, you know, the
Speaker 3: way films are shot not in chronological order. They have
Speaker 3: you know, half the day should be green hair and
Speaker 3: then the next to be read, Yeah, you diet, So
Speaker 3: she was wearing wigs for it. So you know, like
Speaker 3: pain is a big thing about this movie, Like how
Speaker 3: important is pain? So to put it in your perspective, like,
Speaker 3: so you've just won the AFIL Grand Final.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, thank you, thank you. I was wondering how you
Speaker 1: get that in there.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised it's taking this long to be ho In
Speaker 3: twenty eight and you lose the Grand Final. You don't
Speaker 3: play because you don't you're injured, which comes with its
Speaker 3: own pain.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 3: Would you erase the memory of that? Wow, to not
Speaker 3: go through that, or does it make winning it this year? Yeah,
Speaker 3: by the times it goes last season or the more sweeter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I don't know. It sounds really corny, but
Speaker 1: you look back on in this case my career, and
Speaker 1: it's those experiences are so formative, Like definitely the hardest
Speaker 1: experience I've ever had in my whole life.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: The worst day was probably training before the Grand Final,
Speaker 1: So the Thurs Day there was probably like ten thousand fans,
Speaker 1: and I knew that my body just felt terrible and
Speaker 1: had all these hamstring injuries and that I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be fit to play.
Speaker 2: You're kind of close. It wasn't like you were like,
Speaker 2: you know, had an injury year out for ages exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was sort of like, oh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: training okay, I'm sort of getting sore here and there
Speaker 1: in my hamstrings, and the issue sort of for me
Speaker 1: that season wasn't training. I could sort of get through
Speaker 1: all my rehab training, and then it was just when
Speaker 1: I played at match intensity, it was just like hamstring strains,
Speaker 1: which meant there was so much unknown. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've done this training, but you know, we
Speaker 1: know I've four times this season I've run out there
Speaker 1: to play and not been right. So it was all
Speaker 1: that it wasn't clear, you know, And there was definitely
Speaker 1: a period where I was like, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: I'd just broken my leg and it was easy, you know,
Speaker 1: it was obvious. It was like, so I sort of
Speaker 1: kept training and yeah, and then just running around training
Speaker 1: and knowing that, you know, this thing I dreamt about
Speaker 1: my whole life wasn't gonna happen for me. It was
Speaker 1: so hard to process that. You know, every year there's
Speaker 1: that hard those hard locked stories, the people that miss out,
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't believe that it was me. I
Speaker 1: just had real trouble accepting that. And so yeah, but
Speaker 1: then you look back now for five years later and
Speaker 1: we do what we've just done, and it's it all
Speaker 1: seems to make sense. And that's sort of without getting
Speaker 1: to to philosophical, I suppose that's life. It's just like
Speaker 1: every experience is just the next step in the journey.
Speaker 1: And like as hard as it is at the time
Speaker 1: to accept it, and as tempting as it would be
Speaker 1: to say it was just delete that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you just you learn. Well. For me, I just learned
Speaker 1: so much from that experience, and I draw on it
Speaker 1: all the time personally with stuff that comes up, or
Speaker 1: even helping younger other guys that are going through That's
Speaker 1: part of being in a team, right, is everyone's going
Speaker 1: through different things. So being able to draw on that
Speaker 1: experience and share it with others is also a value.
Speaker 3: That you know, because there was a player for those
Speaker 3: who don't know, a man, John Noble played eighty seven
Speaker 3: odd games consecutive games, gets dropped for the first final
Speaker 3: and it comes as a shock that's certainly the supporters
Speaker 3: and doesn't play in either or none of the finals,
Speaker 3: and so you draw on that experience to get around him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. But I think it's also one of those
Speaker 1: things that unless you've been through it, you can tell
Speaker 1: if it's like everything in life, you can if people
Speaker 1: can't really understand what it's like. And I think just
Speaker 1: having been through that experience and sharing it just in
Speaker 1: some ways just yeah, shows that you know as much
Speaker 1: as you can. I understand how it feels and how
Speaker 1: hard it is. And that's you can't tell someone how
Speaker 1: to process it or what to do. It's more just
Speaker 1: about being there and understanding. And I think that's yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, to answer the question,
Speaker 1: it's like that stuff makes it so much more exciting
Speaker 1: and more rewarding, you know. And I was even talking
Speaker 1: talking about it with someone. It must have been one
Speaker 1: of the older guys about how you know, these guys
Speaker 1: like Scott Penby and Steel Cyde Onttom who wait thirteen
Speaker 1: years between premierships to get the success. You know, someone
Speaker 1: like Jamie Elliott who's been through you know, got metal
Speaker 1: in his shoulder and his back and his foot in
Speaker 1: his hip, been through everything he's been through over twelve
Speaker 1: years to win a premiership. Just how rewarding that is.
Speaker 1: And then you see younger players in their second third seasons,
Speaker 1: you know in the team, guys like Nick Deakos and
Speaker 1: Jack Ginman and stuff, and you're like, they'll never really
Speaker 1: get how hard it can be, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such a different experience. It's so exciting for them,
Speaker 1: and everyone obviously works so hard at it, but it's
Speaker 1: funny how for some guys it's so deep how hard
Speaker 1: they've had to work and what they've had to go
Speaker 1: through to get that experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, unless it takes another
Speaker 3: thirty years, he never finds out because Steel, Steel and
Speaker 3: Scott played in there, you know, appremiership in there, you know,
Speaker 3: second or third year and yeah, it's probably a bit
Speaker 3: more than that actually, but they tasted it pretty early.
Speaker 2: If there was a.
Speaker 3: Procedure for you to go back and experience a day again,
Speaker 3: would you go back to the premiership day or would
Speaker 3: you go it's it's time to move forward.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I would, because you're.
Speaker 2: Were still memory.
Speaker 1: By the way, it doesn't mess with the universe as
Speaker 1: a butterfly effect going on, where you know, boll my
Speaker 1: bouncy the other way, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 1: As tempting as it is, because your memory is like
Speaker 1: sort of change over time, the way you look back
Speaker 1: on things, and it's sort of I'm worried that it'll
Speaker 1: ruined how special it feels. You know, you do it
Speaker 1: once and that's what makes it awesome, and then you
Speaker 1: build it up in your head as being this amazing thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like going back and experiencing it again would
Speaker 1: maybe be like maybe ruin it a bit. What do
Speaker 1: you think? Would you go back and watch it? Watch
Speaker 1: it again?
Speaker 3: This when we had lunch together, but you know, and
Speaker 3: just reflected on the day because I went back, I
Speaker 3: was at the ground for a few hours, had a
Speaker 3: few beers the family. It was perfect for me because
Speaker 3: my whole family were there, my kids, my brother, my sister,
Speaker 3: we go over each week with my dad, my wife,
Speaker 3: my nephew.
Speaker 2: It was kind of perfect. Had a few beers and
Speaker 2: then we didn't really know what to do.
Speaker 3: And my feelings after the game were elation on the
Speaker 3: siren because it was for those who don't know, it
Speaker 3: was a four point win, which is less than a goal.
Speaker 3: So we went down to the wire elation and then
Speaker 3: just for like two minutes, and then emotion for like
Speaker 3: the next twenty yourself, and then you know, hugs and
Speaker 3: tears and then exhaustion.
Speaker 2: I was like, ext I played a game. It was
Speaker 2: just exhausting.
Speaker 3: And then by the time I had maybe my my
Speaker 3: second beer, I'm like, okay, let's see if we can.
Speaker 2: Let's enjoy this.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: We spoke about the game, and then we just went home.
Speaker 3: Eventually and after a few hours and and we thought
Speaker 3: it would come back in, but we just wanted to replay.
Speaker 3: And then a few people came and went and then
Speaker 3: we watched it a game, me and my mate, and
Speaker 3: my wife gives me a nudge and I've actually fallen asleep,
Speaker 3: and she points out to my mate, whos we're both
Speaker 3: asleep with cans in the hands, watching to replay.
Speaker 2: The third time. By then I said it. The next day,
Speaker 2: I said, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, there are six or seven different ways I
Speaker 3: would love to have celebrated that win, but you know,
Speaker 3: like to go into you know, Sistreet Collingwood or something. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, and in twenty eighteen, I went to
Speaker 3: the players you know which the players will have it
Speaker 3: the can't have a dinner, yeah, you know, and you
Speaker 3: can get tickets for that.
Speaker 2: And I went and it was great. You know, obviously
Speaker 2: we didn't win.
Speaker 3: It was it was a you know, it was a
Speaker 3: little bit solemn, but it's good to be around Collingwood people.
Speaker 3: And when we started this year, we want to be
Speaker 3: around the family, the kids and all that. So let's
Speaker 3: let's we won't do that and but that, yeah, that
Speaker 3: could be another way to have celebrated.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny that even even for us, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like pressure to celebrate the right way or enjoy
Speaker 1: it absolutely enjoy it, like really soaking in and you're
Speaker 1: just like, am I soaking enough? I'm trying really hard.
Speaker 2: When you know you're in a moment you're going to
Speaker 2: go and I know I'm going to be speaking about
Speaker 2: this for the rest of my life. Am I doing
Speaker 2: it right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But I love that this.
Speaker 3: Film does the way play like the way reflects memories.
Speaker 3: I think it's really totally the way it jumps around,
Speaker 3: like memories are jumpy.
Speaker 1: And what I thought was really interesting was it starts
Speaker 1: with and I don't know if it's just chronological the
Speaker 1: way the procedure work. It starts with the most recent
Speaker 1: memories that are the painful ones, and then eventually to
Speaker 1: the sort of honeymoon period of their relationship or is
Speaker 1: that how memory works? Like he starts off ranting about
Speaker 1: all the things that he hates about her. As a viewer,
Speaker 1: you don't really want them to be together because you're
Speaker 1: getting For the first hour, you're just getting all the
Speaker 1: toxic parts of their relationship, and then it eventually you
Speaker 1: see the good memories you know earlier, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: when the hair color changes and it's to those warmer colors,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, you sort of get it.
Speaker 2: It's a really interesting question, like do are these two
Speaker 2: people right for each other?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you know, you have basically your Joel's depression
Speaker 3: kind of up against Clementines, you know, erratic, yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of a dependency, and you're going to go are they
Speaker 3: and Joel says some pretty nasty things, Yeah, to her, Yeah,
Speaker 3: as nice as he.
Speaker 1: Pretty light, pretty nasty because there he says it, Mike calmly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not he's not yelling.
Speaker 2: And then he does want to talk about and you
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing that I wanted to mention
Speaker 1: about the movie that I was thinking about was none
Speaker 1: of the characters are really very likable. No, which is
Speaker 1: interesting to think about, isn't it? Like all of them
Speaker 1: are a bit I found them a bit. Their first
Speaker 1: interaction a bit annoying. He was kind of quiet and
Speaker 1: a bit boring and so guarded, and then she's kind
Speaker 1: of so erratic, like you said, and jumps around and
Speaker 1: there's got a That's an interesting part of the film.
Speaker 1: It's not a love story that you're on board with everyone.
Speaker 1: You sort of see everyone's faults a bit as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and often when you I think one of
Speaker 3: the clever things about the film is that when you
Speaker 3: come out of a relationship, particularly if you're on the
Speaker 3: losing side, if you if you like, if you the
Speaker 3: won't been broken up with the way you will try
Speaker 3: to go back over their relationship and try to understand it.
Speaker 2: What happened? Yeah, what was when? When was the change
Speaker 2: and like it to me.
Speaker 3: You become like a detective trying to work out Yeah,
Speaker 3: one of the where are the clues that there misclues?
Speaker 2: Yes, I miss his houses happened? How have we gotten
Speaker 2: to hear?
Speaker 1: Almost trying to be like scientific or objective about it
Speaker 1: with the emotion taken out of exactly a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit of hindsight.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, it's impossible to do, which really at the.
Speaker 1: End of the film is what they have. They don't
Speaker 1: have the memories. All they have is the knowledge that
Speaker 1: it didn't work and that it ended badly, because all
Speaker 1: they have is the recordings of the things they said
Speaker 1: about each other. But they don't they don't have the
Speaker 1: memories back. No, they just have like they all they
Speaker 1: know is that it didn't end well, and they decide
Speaker 1: to try again even though they know so. They probably
Speaker 1: have a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: I think the one Yeah, the argument you can make
Speaker 3: is almost it's almost a comment on soul mates in
Speaker 3: a way, despite all of this, they found each other.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his subconscious made him get the train, yes to the.
Speaker 3: Beach, against every fiber of his being, against every impulses
Speaker 3: of its person. And because is this, uh say takes
Speaker 3: place in the library so beautifully done and the effects
Speaker 3: are amazing. You've got the books that a kind of
Speaker 3: the colors of disappearance. Yeah, that's cool, just gradually and
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I think there's some really interesting stuff in this.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 7: Many guys think put a concept, or I complete them,
Speaker 7: or I'm going to make them alive. I'm just a
Speaker 7: fucked up girl who's looking for my own peace of mind.
Speaker 4: Don't assign me yours.
Speaker 9: Remember that speech really well, yeah, the whole human race pegged. Probably,
Speaker 9: I still thought you were going to save my life.
Speaker 4: Even after that. It would be different. If we could
Speaker 4: just give it another goal round.
Speaker 6: Try your best, maybe we can.
Speaker 2: It's just it's I don't know. I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of perfect.
Speaker 3: And you know, she says that you know that whole
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not a construct because there's a whole
Speaker 3: I think comment going on also about that kind of
Speaker 3: that fantasy. A lot of men have about, you know,
Speaker 3: the manic pixie, the pixie girl, you know, and that
Speaker 3: comes with hot the manic side.
Speaker 2: Like people.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of movies, you may where all this
Speaker 3: bloke needs to be happy is to find that girl
Speaker 3: who you know, brings out that free spirit in him,
Speaker 3: because she's you know, she's she's a free spirit of herself.
Speaker 2: But that comes with all other stuff as well.
Speaker 3: And I think this film kind of interrogates that we
Speaker 3: see the great things about Clement time, but we also see,
Speaker 3: you know, that the tougher things about Clement, and the
Speaker 3: same with I think the same with Joel as well, But.
Speaker 1: The film doesn't glorify those. Actually, it's like nothing about
Speaker 1: this film is shiny. It just all feels a bit real,
Speaker 1: you know, like her free spiritedness doesn't come across as
Speaker 1: light from the very start, like it's she's pouring alcohol
Speaker 1: into her coffee or she's the conversation is confusing because
Speaker 1: she's jumping around and she's getting angry at him, and
Speaker 1: then and you don't, I know what you're saying. It's
Speaker 1: it's not It doesn't glorify that part at all. Like
Speaker 1: he's not this charming, reserved guy. Yeah, he's like a nervous,
Speaker 1: tentative kind of mess. You know, he's not. It's not
Speaker 1: like he's guarded in like a sort of charming way.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, come on.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, speak about her characters rather necessarily likable.
Speaker 3: I mean, what I'll say is, you know, and I
Speaker 3: always think I've chatted to some actors about this before.
Speaker 2: You know, Brendan cald was the first one who's gone
Speaker 2: to tell me about it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: He said, I don't want to see likable characters on screen.
Speaker 3: I want to see interesting characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that these characters certainly are that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And Kate wins in a role that we just never saw.
Speaker 3: You know, she was so excited to play this role
Speaker 3: because you know, she's done all everything was a period
Speaker 3: piece Titanic, Heavenly Creatures, so she was pretty pumped. And
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey was basically told, this is a drama, So
Speaker 3: no comedy. This is a drama, and you're very rarely.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of tiny moments where you see the
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey that we know, when he's in the bathtub maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or when he's the kid yeah, yeah, doing the book,
Speaker 1: when he beats the bird with the hammer. Yes, you
Speaker 1: got that little physical comedy that he does with his
Speaker 1: when he's putting to be like a five year old kid.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: And Michelle Gonuri told him this is this is a drama,
Speaker 3: but then we'll tell Kate Winslet like separately, this is
Speaker 3: a comedy, so you'd be as big as as you
Speaker 3: want to be. Jim Carrey was kind of coming out
Speaker 3: of a bad breakup with Rene Zellwagger and he met
Speaker 3: with the director Michelle Gondree. Michelle Gondre said to him,
Speaker 3: and this is in the there's a great documentary on
Speaker 3: Netflix called Jim and Andy about when he made Man
Speaker 3: in the Moon and became any any Coughan.
Speaker 2: He went full meta when he got possessed by the spirit.
Speaker 3: He went deep, he went deep, and he was saying
Speaker 3: that Michelle Gondree they met and he said, you are
Speaker 3: so broken at the moment. It's beautiful. Don't get better?
Speaker 3: And it was a year It's still a year before
Speaker 3: they made the film. So Jim Carrey's going, how fuck
Speaker 3: is this business? Did not get better?
Speaker 2: And then she kind of play with his head.
Speaker 3: There's so there's there's references in this movie to Naomi,
Speaker 3: which is his previous relationship, Joel's previous relationship. Jim Carrey
Speaker 3: believes that Michelle Gondrey cast and they shot they shot
Speaker 3: these scenes that she was in four scenes with Alan Pompeo,
Speaker 3: who from plays Meredith in The Anatomy, and he believes
Speaker 3: Michelle Gondry deliberately cast her because of her similarity in
Speaker 3: both the voice and looks to.
Speaker 1: That's pretty toxic. That's some toxic ship right there.
Speaker 2: Next Leve. Wow, mind fuck readers, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: That's wow. That's borderline workplace bullying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's come up a couple of times
Speaker 3: in this. You know, you hear that Stanley Kubrick where
Speaker 3: he kind of treated some actors And where do you
Speaker 3: draw the line of going, yeah, what other workspace are
Speaker 3: you getting? Way not in the AFL in two thousand
Speaker 3: and twenty four, and you've got these other characters who
Speaker 3: work with Laguna Incorporated, which was almost going to be
Speaker 3: as a little Easter Egg was going to be in
Speaker 3: the same building.
Speaker 2: Have you seen being John Malkovich. No, No, that is as.
Speaker 3: A business in there, which is like it's on the
Speaker 3: six and a half floor, so there's actually like a
Speaker 3: floor that's actually like six and a half, so it's
Speaker 3: between the sixth floor and the seventh floor, so the
Speaker 3: ceilings are really low and everyone's walking around, And this
Speaker 3: was going to be in the same building because Charlie
Speaker 3: Cuffin wrote Easter Egg, but Michau Andrey had different ideas
Speaker 3: how he wanted that Lacuna to look.
Speaker 2: But you got Elijah Wood playing Patrick.
Speaker 1: Is there anything just before you go into the characters,
Speaker 1: was there anything in the name Lacuna? I was going
Speaker 1: to look it up and then I thought, no, ask.
Speaker 3: It means something in another language, and I wish I
Speaker 3: kind of had written it down. But there is something.
Speaker 3: I think it means hollow right in a different language.
Speaker 3: It's Spanish or so you got Elijah Wood playing Patrick.
Speaker 2: What a could be? Guy Mark Ruffalo? I mean, the
Speaker 2: the ethics are not above board.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got It's funny because when I didn't
Speaker 3: watched this film for a while, and you kind of
Speaker 3: when you think of it, you think of you know,
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey and Kate Winsley and Joel and Clement on
Speaker 3: you kind of I'd almost forgotten the twist of I
Speaker 3: think it's Henry or the doctor. We'll Henry Tom Wilkinson
Speaker 3: having this previous affair with Mary. Yeah, Mary, she's had
Speaker 3: a memory raised. There's some ethically, Yeah, they're they're smoking
Speaker 3: that they've had sex, you know, like well, Joel's asleeping
Speaker 3: in the bed. Apparently it was a sexy shop, but
Speaker 3: they took it out, which I think is good because
Speaker 3: I think that dancing scene is fun and enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand this part a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was. I think I just missed a few details.
Speaker 1: But the idea of him in his house, I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if that was the standard procedure or if that
Speaker 1: was something went wrong with him that they had to
Speaker 1: go to his house and do that. I think because
Speaker 1: because they sort of snuck in, and I was like,
Speaker 1: are they not? I got it a little bit confused.
Speaker 2: I've never really questioned that.
Speaker 3: But with that said, when they go into the office,
Speaker 3: you got that woman who's kind of like watching that
Speaker 3: old film with the record player playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, well that seems to be like a slightly
Speaker 2: different thing. Yeah, why have they done it?
Speaker 3: I'm sure the answer is probably in the movie somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why they had to like sneak in, like.
Speaker 1: But then he said when Elijah Woods character says, oh,
Speaker 1: when they did Clementine, he fell in love with her
Speaker 1: and stole an underwear. Yeah, so they were in her
Speaker 1: house doing it as well. Yes, so then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they must go to everyone's house, yeah, to do it.
Speaker 3: I kind of suspected that it wasn't unusual they'll go
Speaker 3: to your house because I think they even said so
Speaker 3: when you wake up in the morning, you'll be not
Speaker 3: reminded that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you remove all the items, you know, your personal items.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they go in. They drink his whiskey.
Speaker 3: Touch at the end when he paused her a drink
Speaker 3: and he kind of looked at the bon I thought
Speaker 3: there was more yeah, and yeah, lovely, these little touches.
Speaker 3: Even though when he goes to the photos and there's
Speaker 3: a photo which I assume is a young Clementine in
Speaker 3: that cowboy outfit that she wears in that memory later on,
Speaker 3: but I thought that twists of the time and the
Speaker 3: Mary thing, because in the original screenplay it started fifty
Speaker 3: years and of the future with an older Mary walking
Speaker 3: into I think a publisher or a newspaper kind of
Speaker 3: with an article manuscript. I think it was a publisher.
Speaker 3: It's a manuscript saying you know the truth behind Lacuna
Speaker 3: and collecte. She gave it to be published. And then
Speaker 3: you realize that that's Mary, who you know, gets.
Speaker 1: So she's almost like selling the story of Eternal Sunshine
Speaker 1: and what was Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think it was actually called The Spotless Mind,
Speaker 2: the True Story.
Speaker 3: Okay, because when you see she's got the files and
Speaker 3: she sends her the tapes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought that was a great kind of twist.
Speaker 2: And when that the wife, Yeah, what what do you.
Speaker 1: Think about Mary's decision to send it out to everyone?
Speaker 1: Like it's got ethical to me? It didn't go oh
Speaker 1: like that was a home run, like she really good
Speaker 1: on her for doing it.
Speaker 3: No, it's like I think, I think it's kind of
Speaker 3: a breach of trust, and she feels portrayed, but she's
Speaker 3: angry with Henry, Yeah, the doctor. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: it was fair for her to put that on those
Speaker 3: people who had made a content.
Speaker 1: She decided to forget, chosen to forget.
Speaker 2: Chosen to forget, and you reminded them, whether you.
Speaker 1: Think whether you think that was the right decision or not.
Speaker 1: Who's she to decide the people that have chosen to forget.
Speaker 1: Who she to decide that that was the wrong choice.
Speaker 2: And I think Mary made a bad call, an unfair call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it didn't It wasn't that wasn't obvious either.
Speaker 1: That's what I liked was that it wasn't you sort
Speaker 1: of went, oh, she said all the tapes out.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, And obviously when she listens back to the tape,
Speaker 3: she can hear that she's almost being coerced a little bit,
Speaker 3: talking about maybe ahead of their time as far as
Speaker 3: commenting on power dynamics. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But when she she listens to the tape and you hear.
Speaker 3: The doctor cons and then we have agreed on this
Speaker 3: because she's like, maybe I don't want to go through this.
Speaker 2: We've agreed. We've agreed.
Speaker 3: So I think that kind of goes Okay, fuck you,
Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to bring this down. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if this was a real thing,
Speaker 3: I think her writing an article or a book is
Speaker 3: a fair away of doing it as opposed to sending
Speaker 3: out these tapes. They get the tapes, which is great
Speaker 3: for the movie obviously because then it's more friction and conflict.
Speaker 3: But the tapes are brutal, so you got you know,
Speaker 3: joel and and Clement Tyne have made up and the
Speaker 3: things that you know, they've got another chance, and then
Speaker 3: they're playing the tape and it's Clement Tyne this, you know,
Speaker 3: he's so boring. I don't like who I've become said
Speaker 3: not in the in the birth of the relationship when
Speaker 3: things are good. This is at the tail end when
Speaker 3: things aren't good, and these are the things that you
Speaker 3: might think. And then Joel's saying he is embarrassed to
Speaker 3: be with her in public, and she's not well read,
Speaker 3: and he's really horrible things.
Speaker 2: Not a good call by Mary.
Speaker 3: You wonder It's almost like she's she has broken up
Speaker 3: with stan Mark Ruffalo. And then you kind of what
Speaker 3: I liked about it kind of one day, is he
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's going to go through the procedure now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, because he was the last scene is like
Speaker 1: he's like loading the gear into the van or out
Speaker 1: of the van.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then you think he's holding the computer that they
Speaker 1: use to delete memories, so you think like, oh, I
Speaker 1: wonder if if he'll do it now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's there's so much before we
Speaker 3: wrap up. You got all the special effects. We've mentioned that,
Speaker 3: you got the table, but you've got the sync in
Speaker 3: the bathtub, which is amazing. Yea, the whole crumbling of
Speaker 3: everything falling down and when they're trapped in the street.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite effects is just when he's in
Speaker 3: the library, when we first see that she's seeing he's
Speaker 3: recounting about how he seeing a younger man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I seeing a younger man. And he walks from
Speaker 2: the library back into the house.
Speaker 1: Yep, with David Cross and yeah, yeah, that's cool. That
Speaker 1: part I really liked as well. Just if they're on
Speaker 1: the street or in the market and slowly like signs
Speaker 1: that had writing on them in the background, we're just
Speaker 1: not yeah, and then like a real subtle.
Speaker 3: If you think about memories, memories don't have those details, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is what's really cool.
Speaker 1: The books the books were colored and they were all
Speaker 1: blank and all those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a great serendipity moment where they were shooting
Speaker 3: something and.
Speaker 2: Somebody said, oh, there's elephants walking down.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, circus in New York.
Speaker 3: So the way they get the elephants and they walk
Speaker 3: them in and they just get the cameras and they
Speaker 3: just shot stuff they use wasn't even like stuff they
Speaker 3: were like, they weren't even realize I was shooting like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Michelle Gondrey said that Kate wins that just hired, and
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to try to capture, you know,
Speaker 3: Jim looking for you, and so you're kind of looking
Speaker 3: around he's actually looking for Kate Winslet, not necessarily clements. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and they use that, but it's I love that because
Speaker 3: it's just just great filmmaking.
Speaker 1: What about the end, because I did I did a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of reading about the loop, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so,
Speaker 3: which I must say, I've never thought about it really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I noticed it straight away. First time. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: and then I thought something and then I looked it.
Speaker 3: Up, right, Okay, So my thought when I kind of
Speaker 3: like noticed at this time, I didn't really have an answer.
Speaker 2: I had my questions, does this mean that they're on
Speaker 2: this loop forever?
Speaker 3: Because there was a version in the original screenplay where
Speaker 3: we found out that they had a race fifteen times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was what I watched it, and I went, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the first time they've done this whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I googled it and it said in the
Speaker 1: original screenplay, they you find out at the end that
Speaker 1: they've done this fifteen times and they keep going back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I went, oh, that was. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: sort of your heart in a surreal movie, you're constantly
Speaker 1: questioning your first thought. Yeah, that's what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is it and then I read
Speaker 1: that it was, and then I don't know. But then
Speaker 1: that's a whole nother point if that is true, because
Speaker 1: then you because he's saying humans are idiots, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you keep going back.
Speaker 2: For me once you know yeah, and it's and then
Speaker 2: you're going to you question that relationship even more. You're
Speaker 2: going to go, well, why why why? Yeah, maybe you
Speaker 2: guys aren't, so you're not supposed.
Speaker 1: To exactly, so why do why do you keep going
Speaker 1: back to the world, especially when you think about all
Speaker 1: the relationships in the movie are terrible relationships. There isn't
Speaker 1: one good relationship, Like the doctor and his wife is
Speaker 1: a bad relationship. He has the affair with Mary, his
Speaker 1: friends who when they're unloading the car and they're having that,
Speaker 1: you know that they just clearly have this toxic dynamic
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: I do love David Cross building a birdhouse next to
Speaker 3: the fridge, which I think part of that is also
Speaker 3: having this kind of strange says a strangeness yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: They're not, you know, shoveling in your face.
Speaker 1: But this is going.
Speaker 3: So then when you know, the science of the whole
Speaker 3: thing comes up, you're not questioning it because there's kind
Speaker 3: of built this litt culture around things.
Speaker 2: You know, there's some strange kind of people in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other actually point I really wanted to make
Speaker 3: was what's really important is that when Patrick basically steals,
Speaker 3: you know, the identity of Joel and takes all all
Speaker 3: all the trinkets and all that and starts presenting them
Speaker 3: as his own to Clementine, it's so good that it
Speaker 3: doesn't work because and that kind of that kind of
Speaker 3: suggests that there was something special about Joel and Clementine,
Speaker 3: even though he's quoting the same lines they're on the
Speaker 3: Frozen when he gives it a trinket and great performance
Speaker 3: by Kate Winsley, what she says something like, she says,
Speaker 3: this is nobody. I'm never going to have somebody who's
Speaker 3: gonna got my taste or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But then when they're on the lake, doesn't
Speaker 1: she say, well, he says something and she says, this is.
Speaker 3: She quotes, she quotes him directly, like I never felt
Speaker 3: that I'm supposed to be anywhere but here or something
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, and then she sits up bolt up right.
Speaker 3: And then when she's he says, you're so nice. That
Speaker 3: nice triggers her again when they're in the car.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's starting to figure it out because in the
Speaker 3: dream state she's kind of she's, you know, alongside Joel
Speaker 3: now Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's that that's a bit about isn't it like what
Speaker 1: you were saying before, maybe about soul mates, Like you
Speaker 1: can say all the right things, you can buy all
Speaker 1: the right gifts.
Speaker 2: But if you're a different he's done.
Speaker 1: It's all the same things.
Speaker 2: It's not that connection. Yeah, And it's so pervertly cast is.
Speaker 1: I think he's so good. That's the other thing. Everyone
Speaker 1: is so good in it. Elijah Wood is so creepy, like.
Speaker 3: When he's got a girlfriend, girlfriend, Yeah, and Matt Ruffle
Speaker 3: has got Yeah, it's not okay whenever he really wants
Speaker 3: to let you know he's got a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Did you do any reading about Edgar Allan Poe and
Speaker 1: the quote that they use, what is it the blessed
Speaker 1: other forgetful?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Whatever, it is not not realized as opinions kind of
Speaker 3: on it. It's a great quite they're kind of in
Speaker 3: contrast to each other in a way. But I do
Speaker 3: love espasically say that first one is I guess his
Speaker 3: ignorance is bliss.
Speaker 1: Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, yes, yeah, But some.
Speaker 2: People walk away from this movie. I didn't understand it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird, you know, if.
Speaker 3: You're in that frame of mind totally, But it's actually
Speaker 3: quite a simple story. Yeah, Like if you actually break
Speaker 3: it down, it's about a relationship breakup, and they have
Speaker 3: a procedure to have their themselves erased from their memory.
Speaker 2: And then when.
Speaker 3: Joel's having that procedure, he for some reason which is
Speaker 3: not necessarily explained. It doesn't need to be in the
Speaker 3: same way some people might have an alleged reaction to,
Speaker 3: you know, anesthesia, that he becomes aware of Clementine being
Speaker 3: raised and he decides he does not want to go
Speaker 3: through this operation.
Speaker 2: So he has to then find a way to hide
Speaker 2: in his own mind. Yeah, yeah, his own memories.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then even that bit about their relationship, she
Speaker 1: always said to him more you don't open up, you
Speaker 1: just shut off. And then for their his memory of her.
Speaker 1: For their relationship to have a chance again, he had
Speaker 1: to take her into a memory that was deep, like
Speaker 1: an embarrassing, humiliating memory or really his mum catches him waking.
Speaker 1: It was like there was a bit in that around,
Speaker 1: like for the relationship to go again, he had to
Speaker 1: take her to those places that he wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: in real life, you know, that sort of part about
Speaker 1: vulnerability or something. I was like, Oh, and do they.
Speaker 3: Take any of that to their next cracket the real Yeah,
Speaker 3: So maybe it is with each time they go around,
Speaker 3: they get a little bit better.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then there was that quote at the end, mate,
Speaker 1: where he said, you spend all this time getting to
Speaker 1: know someone only to realize that they're a stranger, yeah,
Speaker 1: or something that I think that was in the recording maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the more I know you, the less I know
Speaker 1: you sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember hearing that and going, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: bit in that one too. So many moments, like.
Speaker 3: You said, you watched it once, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: if you ever watch it again, you'll pick up so
Speaker 3: much kind of stuff. And one of the first things
Speaker 3: you said, it's such a human story there's so much
Speaker 3: humanity I think in this, and I think great movies
Speaker 3: are often they do have a central point or a
Speaker 3: central argument, you know, or it raises a question. You
Speaker 3: know a lot of people talk about movies and they know,
Speaker 3: what's this movie answering? Yeah, yeah, but I always think
Speaker 3: it's not about the answers to that question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And I always say, like with films,
Speaker 1: I hate it when the message is sort of served
Speaker 1: up just way too. It's just too simple. I'm one
Speaker 1: who's just roll my eyes and go like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I love that this movie doesn't hand you
Speaker 1: anything on a platter. You sort of have to work
Speaker 1: it out yourself or make your own way or take no.
Speaker 2: I love that maybey getting hand fed here. There's a
Speaker 2: bit going on. It almost didn't happen.
Speaker 3: The movie almost didn't happen at script stage because the
Speaker 3: amazing Christopher Nolan film Memento came out with favorite Yes
Speaker 3: have you seen that.
Speaker 1: I actually watched that about six months ago for a
Speaker 1: second time. Yeah, so that was fresh as well.
Speaker 3: And Michelle Gondre and Charlikaff I'm talking, they go, well,
Speaker 3: this is basically our movie. Yeah, let's let's not do it,
Speaker 3: but a producer had convinced them that they're still merit
Speaker 3: in the idea that you're working on, keep going and
Speaker 3: keep going, and they, thank god they did. Nick Cage
Speaker 3: was the original choice to play Joel, but he was
Speaker 3: so hot right now that he took other projects.
Speaker 2: This is a fascinating one, I think.
Speaker 3: So the composer it's great music all the way through
Speaker 3: here is John I've always said John Bryan, but I've
Speaker 3: heard it pronounce John Breon. And somebody who became a
Speaker 3: big fan of the movie and the music was Kanye
Speaker 3: back when we could be on board the Kegnya Express,
Speaker 3: So he got him. He got John Brion because of
Speaker 3: his work on this to work on Late Registration land
Speaker 3: Mark album had a gold digger on it and that
Speaker 3: became so he never worked on a hip hop album
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: It was in his background and worked on that with
Speaker 2: with Kemye.
Speaker 3: And like I said earlier, there is there's a character
Speaker 3: Alan played by Alan Pompeo from Gray's Anatomy. You can't
Speaker 3: watch the clips online that she was in four scenes
Speaker 3: in fact, when Joel goes home and she says, give
Speaker 3: me a call when you get home. Wish me happy
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day. He actually calls Miomi first and then calls Okay,
Speaker 3: and then they think they get back and they have
Speaker 3: a one that stand, And I think it works better.
Speaker 3: I think it would have complicated. Do we want Joel
Speaker 3: to be with Clement Tye, because the idea was Naomi
Speaker 3: came across almost as like a better fit in a way.
Speaker 3: She was probably you'd watch it and almost go, I
Speaker 3: think you should actually end up with Namy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So it is interesting as well, like Joel
Speaker 1: doesn't in the final version, like he doesn't really have
Speaker 1: any other relationship. He's got those friends, yeah, but he doesn't.
Speaker 1: You don't really see him to anyone else.
Speaker 3: There was a neighbor who had a role which is
Speaker 3: going to be played by Tracy Morgan, a comedian, and
Speaker 3: they just Michelle Gondry actually said that, to be honest,
Speaker 3: he thought that Tracy Morgan was basically just paying himself
Speaker 3: and well didn't love the performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but it doesn't miss it.
Speaker 1: You got that makes it seem like a loaner more
Speaker 1: and more a loan and more guarded or yeah.
Speaker 3: I think so that's basically Michelle Gorey you know I
Speaker 3: mentioned the videos, mate, this podcast comes with homework and
Speaker 3: this is a big film. This is a big film
Speaker 3: that wrap your head around. And obviously you didn't know
Speaker 3: what you're getting yourself into. You was something something sciencey,
Speaker 3: but to do this basically, you're on holiday, you've got
Speaker 3: to break you know, you've released a pinot, you know,
Speaker 3: well you be a release in cans of holt. You
Speaker 3: come up with a peeni. I got my dad a
Speaker 3: bottle for Father's Day, for sorry, his birthday. Actually it Yeah,
Speaker 3: what was beyond the pinot? Where that come from?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just tried to find a way. Obviously Pendals has
Speaker 1: done it before, and yeah, for me, it was just
Speaker 1: sort of a way to commemorate the season and how
Speaker 1: special and exciting it was. And then you know, I
Speaker 1: love nothing more than having a bottle of red and
Speaker 1: reminiscing about memories with friends, and so I thought, what
Speaker 1: a cool way to make something to so people can
Speaker 1: you know, crack it open and pour a few glasses
Speaker 1: and talk about season twenty twenty three so we remember
Speaker 1: it forever. That was sort of the idea. And then
Speaker 1: turns out there was a bit of demand and it
Speaker 1: sold out in a week.
Speaker 2: So bad move.
Speaker 1: But no, and also I don't deserve any praise for
Speaker 1: doing homework. It was made. I was watching an hour
Speaker 1: and a half movie on my on my off season,
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes people will watch a film and realize, I,
Speaker 2: hang on, I didn't look at the running time, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever come in and pretended to see anything?
Speaker 2: No, we had one.
Speaker 3: Dan Connell, who is a great comic, came in and
Speaker 3: I was doing the intro for Lost in Translation. It's
Speaker 3: a great movie. I was really excited to talk about it,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's a bit of prep that you
Speaker 3: know on my side that I do totally. And I
Speaker 3: just saw his face kind of drop and the blood
Speaker 3: blood kind of go out of his face and he
Speaker 3: gave up.
Speaker 2: Bloody home, mate, I think I watch the wrong movie.
Speaker 2: He watched Fear and Loading in my space. No, so
Speaker 2: we fumbled around with that.
Speaker 3: I have one recently and hopefully we'll still get to it.
Speaker 3: So I want, I won't, I won't my guess under
Speaker 3: a bus, but let's do it next week. And he
Speaker 3: wants Lawrence of Arabia, which I hadn't seen before, which
Speaker 3: is like a three and a half hour movie, and
Speaker 3: I watched it.
Speaker 2: And he said, actually, I can't do it. Give me
Speaker 2: this postpart you got to g was long watching and
Speaker 2: a half. I really feel like watching it, but I'm
Speaker 2: glad I've seen it now.
Speaker 3: Definitely, if we do it again, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 3: watch it again because it's kind of I like.
Speaker 1: To you definitely watch it knowing that I had to
Speaker 1: talk about it on this pod. I definitely watched the
Speaker 1: film differently like you, Yeah, you know you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk about it, so you part of the reason
Speaker 1: you're very alert to everything that's People are probably like,
Speaker 1: how the bloody hell did you take all of this in?
Speaker 1: But when you know you're going to have to talk
Speaker 1: about it, you definitely watch it twice as hard.
Speaker 3: So I've always had this kind of romantic notion that you've, well,
Speaker 3: go see a movie and then you go to a
Speaker 3: cafe or a restaurant you talk about the movie.
Speaker 2: You know, and you just never get to do it.
Speaker 2: Like you see a movie and you might cross somebody
Speaker 2: in the in the in the hall at work and
Speaker 2: you know I saw this, or you know, you might
Speaker 2: speak about it for briefly, but I really have found
Speaker 2: joy in the deep diving and kind of and maxt
Speaker 2: me understand movies more this. If I knew I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to talk about it for an hour, I would
Speaker 2: have missed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I said, I see this movie
Speaker 3: half a dozen times, and that there's many things that
Speaker 3: I've missed it.
Speaker 2: I only picked up because two times.
Speaker 1: Totally, I think, and that was speaking about everything everywhere,
Speaker 1: all at once. That was I saw that with a
Speaker 1: mate and we ended up sitting out in the front
Speaker 1: of the movie theater talking for an hour after it
Speaker 1: to be like, I thought it was about this a
Speaker 1: little bit? Did you think it was about that? Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought it was about this. Yeah, And we'd just
Speaker 1: gone back and forth. And then after we have that
Speaker 1: hour conversation, you then google it and read what the
Speaker 1: director says and what the actors say about it, and
Speaker 1: that's you get that whole nother element of what they
Speaker 1: were trying what you got from it, and then what
Speaker 1: they were trying to communicate as well, and.
Speaker 3: Then you got to balance out, well, what do I
Speaker 3: want to take even though the director might say it's
Speaker 3: about this, or an actor might say it's about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my interpretation was this.
Speaker 3: I want to stick with that totally, which I think
Speaker 3: good filmmakers allow you to do that. Like this, this movie,
Speaker 3: like we've already mentioned, it doesn't serve it up to you,
Speaker 3: you know, and you can I love movies Where can Go?
Speaker 3: You might believe that they were perfect for each other,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 1: With I believe that relationships are stupid. That's what the
Speaker 1: movie is say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: pointless exercise. Everyone ends up heartbroken.
Speaker 3: That Well, let's we're going to start recording there and
Speaker 3: we're gonna sit down and watch the twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: And that's the next episode is the motives, the themes,
Speaker 1: running through running through the twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Let's relive it again. Okay, quarter one, here we are, Thanks.
Speaker 1: Mate, good on your feet.
Speaker 2: How impressive is that man?
Speaker 3: Not only for Collingwood supporters, but fans of any sport
Speaker 3: and just fans of good men. Obviously I was pretty
Speaker 3: psyched they have Dancy visit us outside his I wouldn't
Speaker 3: take comfort.
Speaker 2: I'm outside his usual arena.
Speaker 3: Obviously he's done some film studies, so it was well
Speaker 3: and truly inside his comfort zone and not the easiest
Speaker 3: film to tackle internal sunshine of the Spotless Mind has
Speaker 3: a lot going on, so it was great they have
Speaker 3: Darcy and here Darcy's thoughts on that. Welcome back to everyone,
Speaker 3: thanks for coming back to You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet.
Speaker 3: The break was longer than I was intending. I got
Speaker 3: to December and I thought I just need some more time.
Speaker 3: There was some other projects I was working on, other
Speaker 3: things I needed to do. So yes, this will be
Speaker 3: another twenty episode season of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet,
Speaker 3: which it includes a live show at the Melbourne International
Speaker 3: Comedy Festival.
Speaker 2: So if you go on my Instagram page.
Speaker 3: PJ Hellier or go to Comedy dot com dot Au
Speaker 3: and yeah, You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet will be happening
Speaker 3: at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival live with the one.
Speaker 2: And the Only Nick Cody.
Speaker 3: Melbourne listeners will certainly know Nick for Breakfast Rate Ye
Speaker 3: with Fife and Fev. He's done our Breakfast Radio and
Speaker 3: being busy as well. Been treading the boards for many
Speaker 3: many years, recently regular on the project My Old Stumping Ground.
Speaker 3: He's doing great work on that. He is an incredible bloke,
Speaker 3: very funny and I cannot wait to do this movie.
Speaker 3: We are doing Back to the Future. Yes, Nick Cody
Speaker 3: has never seen Back to the Future, so get tickets now.
Speaker 3: There'll be a lot to talk about, and there'll be
Speaker 3: some other surprise guests as well. I say surprise guests.
Speaker 3: We'll probably announced them sooner rather than later, so you
Speaker 3: have an idea of who might be joining us on
Speaker 3: stage as well.
Speaker 2: It's not Michael J. Fox or Christopher Lloyd.
Speaker 3: Sadly that's happening. And of course we're back. So let
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Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. A little bit rusty on my return.
Speaker 3: Also this week a big show, another big show. Great
Speaker 3: Ozzie film we're doing next week hopefully at a lot
Speaker 3: of you have seen it. It's the film that brought
Speaker 3: Heath Ledger and Rose Byrne to our collective psyche and
Speaker 3: into the spotlight before they became megastars in the US.
Speaker 3: It is, of course Gregor Jordan's Two Hands from nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine. Staying Brian Brown and a whole heap of
Speaker 3: very talent. That Dozzie Susie Porter's in there, the great
Speaker 3: Susie Porter. I really enjoyed revisiting this powder Finger that
Speaker 3: was provided one of the best scores.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't prove up the score.
Speaker 3: They provide some of the couple of songs for the
Speaker 3: soundtrack and guess they work a treat in this film.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen Two Hands that He's have a
Speaker 3: favor and check it out this week Before next week's
Speaker 3: episode with bron Lewis, bron Lewis will be watching Two Hands.
Speaker 3: Bron Lewis is a fantastic breezy comedian and she has
Speaker 3: been making big waves. I've given you her quite a
Speaker 3: bit both in Queensland and in Victoria and she's doing
Speaker 3: massive things. She's got a new show called Obviously She's
Speaker 3: cheering around they have seen her on have you been
Speaker 3: paying attention? She's very, very funny, very smart and looking
Speaker 3: forward to hanging out with Braun next week. Until then,
Speaker 3: enjoy the movies, buy tickets to the live show and
Speaker 3: give us a rating.
Speaker 2: Okay, but the now.
Speaker 3: And so we leave old Pete save fan sout and
Speaker 3: to our friends of the radio audience.
Speaker 2: We've been a pleasant good night