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Speaker 1: Job Mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Migellana se.

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Speaker 3: Nina, Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Migenal Harna se I love this bit, I love this.

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Speaker 3: This is a new song from Melinda Schneier.

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Speaker 2: It's called Be Gentle on Yourself and a very nice

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Speaker 2: message about self care, which is interesting because Melinda is

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Speaker 2: the new ambassador for Rural Adversity Mental Health program.

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Speaker 3: She joins us, Now, hey, Melinda, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Amanda, how are you? And Jonesy? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Melinda? How good has that? You've been sitting on that

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Speaker 3: for twenty years?

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Speaker 1: I know I wrote that about twenty years ago with

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Speaker 1: Dave Faulkner from Hudiguru. I must have needed that message

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Speaker 1: back then, but I don't think I was quite ready

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Speaker 1: to hear it. So I've just kept it up my

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Speaker 1: sleeve and saved it for the right time. And now,

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Speaker 1: I think, especially this year, with everything that we've all

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Speaker 1: been going through with COVID, that's such a great song.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those in case of emergency break glass songs.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's turned out to be. Yeah. I knew

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Speaker 1: I was always liked it, but it just never really

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Speaker 1: fitted any of my albums for whatever reason, And then

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Speaker 1: in Chap. Eighteen, I experienced my first depression, and I've

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Speaker 1: had two abouts of depression in two years, so I

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Speaker 1: really needed it myself, and I thought, hey, Ivert, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of other people out there struggling as well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you said, and this is a quote that

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Speaker 2: you were raised to be a happy, little pretty thing

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Speaker 2: and to always tell a positive story. So that's not

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Speaker 2: always the healthiest message for ourselves, is it.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's wearing a mask, isn't it. Especially in

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Speaker 1: our business publicly, we have a lot of pressure to

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Speaker 1: show the best side of ourselves and that sort of

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Speaker 1: linked to our livelihood. You know, if we're not liked

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Speaker 1: and we're not we're not exuding an air of success

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Speaker 1: at all time, and it's going to affect our livelihood,

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Speaker 1: our income, and our jobs. So it's a full on

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Speaker 1: kind of way to live, I suppose. But I think

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Speaker 1: when you start to get closer to fifty, you get

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Speaker 1: to the point where you just get exhausted and you

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Speaker 1: just can't do it anymore. And I think that's where

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Speaker 1: I'm at.

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Speaker 3: So what how are you coping with what you've been through?

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Speaker 1: Then? Well, look it top me. You know, my partner,

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Speaker 1: Mark Gable, as you know from Times, has had depression

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Speaker 1: as long as I've known him, so a couple of

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Speaker 1: years before I met him, I think he had his

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Speaker 1: first out of depression. So even though I knew what

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Speaker 1: it was like to live with someone with depression, when

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Speaker 1: it hit me, it was a completely different kind of experience.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I actually had depression at the time.

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Speaker 1: I also had a dream or fatigue, and that was

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Speaker 1: from this exhaustion from managing my own career breastfeeding for

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Speaker 1: a few years, eight shows a week with my doors day,

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Speaker 1: so traveling, touring, all of that stuff and try and

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Speaker 1: I'm a perfectionist, so these unrelenting standards that I had

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Speaker 1: to do everything perfectly. It all took its toll on me,

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Speaker 1: and I just thought it was exhaustion. But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: really until my second out of depression was following April,

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Speaker 1: and I also lost my old flat mate to suicide.

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Speaker 1: That hit me so hard that I realized I really

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Speaker 1: need help. This is not going away. It's not just exhaustion,

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Speaker 1: it's actually depression. So I went and got help. I

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Speaker 1: went to see a psychiatrist and he recommended medication, which

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Speaker 1: I was totally against then I had my own stigma

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Speaker 1: around that, but finally had to admit that it's okay

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Speaker 1: to surrender and it's okay to ask for help. You

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Speaker 1: can't always fix things yourself.

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Speaker 3: And that's the message, isn't it for?

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Speaker 2: And as you are the ambassador for rural mental health,

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Speaker 2: that's the message get help.

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Speaker 1: It is. Look, I've been very stoic in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, especially in the bush,

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Speaker 1: they have to be stoic because of all of the

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Speaker 1: challenges that they face. But you can be too strong

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Speaker 1: for too long and that can end up being a

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Speaker 1: negative thing for your mental health. So my message is

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Speaker 1: it's okay to fall down. It's okay to not be okay,

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Speaker 1: go and ask for help. As I know that there's

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Speaker 1: shame around it because I experienced that. But if you

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Speaker 1: can get past that shame and just love yourself enough

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Speaker 1: to fall down, then everything will turn around.

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Speaker 3: Well, the song is be gentle to yourself.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get another. It's got a role. Who do gurus

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Speaker 3: vibe about it as well?

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Speaker 2: You can hear them gurs.

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Speaker 1: Be gentle, harl.

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Speaker 2: And if you'd like to know more, had to be

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Speaker 2: gentle on yourself dot com dot are you, Melinda?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being so just sow yourself with us

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Speaker 3: this morning. We love you and thank you.

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Speaker 1: I love you too, guys, thank you. Sure Measure with

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Speaker 1: Joinesy and Amanda