WEBVTT - Shut Up Rings, Shut Up Moves & The Fine Line Between Nagging and Communication

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Cameragle Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brittany, I'm Laura, and Laura's really really had a week.

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<v Speaker 1>She is here. She is smiling, which is am I?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I here? Am I smiling? You're smiling and you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's like in that you know when

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<v Speaker 1>you're smiling like that mannic way, you know when you're

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<v Speaker 1>laughing at something and you're smiling.

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<v Speaker 2>Alanis Morissette where it's like cry at a funeral. Also

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<v Speaker 2>very fitting. Sorry, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I mean. You're here in your harvest group. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're having a wonderful time. You've cracked some jokes, but

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been a wonderful week. No. I love being here, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to I'm on the podcast and complain

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<v Speaker 2>about doing the podcast, because you guys, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing that we get to do with our

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<v Speaker 2>weeks is being here and doing this sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean here i'd say he's the best

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<v Speaker 1>thing I get to do each week.

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<v Speaker 3>But sorry to my children who I love. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About it in a little bit, but we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get into it as like the intro

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<v Speaker 2>of the crux of this episode. But if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to last Tuesday's episode, you would know that I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about my suck was that my nana was really unwell. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have much worse suck this week, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>that my nana passed away last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety four, so like amazing, it was her time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's not as though she had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of life left in her and I've spoken about her

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<v Speaker 2>so much on the pod around her dementia and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the last five years since my papa passed away.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't make it any less hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still really sad, and I just feel I feel

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely flattened by the week, is how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, do you want to talk about it now or

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<v Speaker 1>do you want me to divert for a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>then we can come back and sit in it.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you prefer?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what you like to do for you?

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me your funny stories first, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>can talk about Shirley.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll tell you the only thing I happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me this week, which is I'm crying. I know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to distract it for a minute. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that really shook me this week. I'm having a

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<v Speaker 1>real parenting crisis. I'm not an actual parent, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have Delilah, my dog. She's the love of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine this is what it feels like when your

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<v Speaker 1>kid goes to preschool and they call up and they say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know your child's been bullying people.

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<v Speaker 3>Delilah's a terror, that's why. What has she done?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is how I feel. This is what I actually

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it. I was embarrassed, I was upset. I

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<v Speaker 1>was really going through the emotions, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a grip, Brittany. Obviously, my period's coming or something.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes to two dog walkers a week because when

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<v Speaker 1>we have huge days of radio when podcasting, I'm out

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<v Speaker 1>all day. She's an Australian shepherd. She cannot be at home,

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<v Speaker 1>so I pay these two separate dog walkers. They come

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<v Speaker 1>get her in the morning. She's with them all day

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<v Speaker 1>with a group of dogs that there's always photos. They're

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<v Speaker 1>having the time of their life, and then they drop

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<v Speaker 1>her back. Both dog walkers independently this week basically kicked

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<v Speaker 1>her out a dog school.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, she's the bully.

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<v Speaker 3>What does she do She picks some of the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she doesn't. She's very friendly, but she's really really

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<v Speaker 1>possessive and obsessive, right, and so producer Keisha knows the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing because she produced. Keisha's looked after for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time since she was a puppy. And what she

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<v Speaker 1>thinks she's she's so obsessed with who she thinks her

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<v Speaker 1>person is that if somebody, another dog or somebody comes

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<v Speaker 1>too close and she gets a bit funny, she'll be

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<v Speaker 1>very like aggressive, as in not fight it, but get

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<v Speaker 1>in between us, growl at it like so she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>bite it or anything, but she's quite intimidating.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I've I've seen because the only reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>make jokes is because anytimerit's come over to our house,

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<v Speaker 2>in my house and Buster just wants to come and

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Delilah's like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck you up.

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<v Speaker 2>Bus is like I live here that's my mom do.

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<v Speaker 2>She tries to protect me from my own dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Resource guardians a word like resource.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I'm not food.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it's about like, it's about kibble.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not usually about the human that you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, resource guarding is with food and balls, which she

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<v Speaker 1>also does. So she got into a fight last week

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<v Speaker 1>at dog school because someone else tried to take her ball.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't her ball. She took it from that dog,

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<v Speaker 1>so the dog was trying to get her own ball back.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, they both independently were like, we think Dylila

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<v Speaker 1>might be better students. So what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You've lost both your dog walkers. We're saying, as in

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<v Speaker 2>Jody like or who we love. Jody can't do her anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Jody's put her on a one month trial. One more month.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she must be. Jody will take anything. Jody will

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<v Speaker 2>take any dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Jody loves Egi dog. My dog walkers are amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want anyone to think that they're not. Like Demi

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<v Speaker 1>and Jody shout out, there are incredible people. There's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a space in both groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I get vouch for this because Jody, who she's

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<v Speaker 2>a lifer as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We love you. You probably are, I don't hope you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Jody has been my sister's dog and my sister's dogs

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<v Speaker 2>who are like fourteen years old now, like she's been

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<v Speaker 2>my sister's dog walker for so long.

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<v Speaker 3>She then became Buster's dog walker, and then now she's Delilahs.

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<v Speaker 2>Dalilah is the only dog that I have ever known

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<v Speaker 2>that Jodie's like too much.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's real sad. So we need to do something about this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So here's where I'm at. So she's been banned from Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not laughing, and everyone thinks that I'm not like

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<v Speaker 1>I have tried to train Delilah consistently from a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gone to dog schools, she's gone to Elite dog school,

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<v Speaker 1>she's got puppy camp, she's been to agility school. I've

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<v Speaker 1>trained her like she's.

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<v Speaker 3>But we also got kicked out of agility school, remember, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because she wanted to have sex with them.

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<v Speaker 2>She like.

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<v Speaker 1>First like a mom because she was on heat, but

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<v Speaker 1>she she didn't focus anyway, Long story short, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>I just want people to know it's not because I'm neglectful,

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<v Speaker 1>like I have tried to put in the work. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is where she's at Wednesday's band. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>find her someone else, which you know, my my dog.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, look, it's not like I'm dropping her now.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. If she's just hard, I'll do it

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<v Speaker 1>for the next month and give you time to find

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<v Speaker 1>someone else. And I was so deeply hurt, like she

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<v Speaker 1>was a direct reflection of me. And then on theears though,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the problem, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what's worse than this?

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing worse than this is when daycare calls

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<v Speaker 2>you to tell you that your kid has knits and

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<v Speaker 2>your your kid is the nit kid. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>my experience recently, and I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>the shame, the horror.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a child's the nitchild.

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<v Speaker 1>DEMI goes and she's got fleas.

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<v Speaker 3>Your child's the nitchild.

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<v Speaker 1>I was joking.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, good parenting, Brits.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's got a one month trial for her Monday

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<v Speaker 1>left to see if she can be better. So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel all this pressure now one month to prove herself.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's recommended me a dog trainer that she said

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<v Speaker 1>is good I have never used him, so I've reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to him and it's so funny. I've reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to Heim on Instagram and was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been recommended. I've got an Aussie blah blah. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think you can help me? And he wrote back

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<v Speaker 1>straight away and he's like, yeah, like we could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me what you think the problems are and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>go from there. And so I told him all the

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<v Speaker 1>problems blanked. Raize hasn't written back, and I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to give him the benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 1>for a day. He's probably on holiday with his family.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about Delilah is she kind of reminds me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're at school and someone's like so hot,

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<v Speaker 2>You've like the hot person, but they don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>work on their personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty privileged exists in the dog world.

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<v Speaker 2>She know she's hot, guy, she she does.

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<v Speaker 1>She has. Actually I have been catch you know, looking

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<v Speaker 1>in the mirror somehow, Like sometimes I see her staring

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<v Speaker 1>in the mirror and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you looking at yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Mom? Like daughter, hang on. What I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>in her defense is that she's actually the most perfect

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<v Speaker 1>dog with people with kids, with her affection, her everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this resource obsessiveness and the protectiveness is too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the problem when we're in public, at home

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<v Speaker 1>and when it's just us. But it's the protection thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, like fair right she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>keep me. No.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to give Delilah a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>slack because she comes from a broken home, like her

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<v Speaker 2>dad left when she was a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Her dad walked out.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck you Delightah.

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<v Speaker 2>She comes from a broken home. Her dad walked out

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<v Speaker 2>when she was a baby. Her mom is a working mum.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows, she's busy, she's always with the nanny. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a really hard life living like that as a gilt

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<v Speaker 2>an anxious attachment style.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you saying I'm supposed to feel guilty being

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<v Speaker 1>a working mom and putting bacon in that bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you're doing the best that you can with what

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<v Speaker 3>you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn straight the salmon. Anyway, if you're a dog walker,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if you're a dog walker or b a

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<v Speaker 1>dog trainer more importantly, so sorry, back to the one

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<v Speaker 1>month trial. What because Jodi has said, I know, trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>stay with it. Jody has said that if she can

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<v Speaker 1>improve in a month, she'll keep her on. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on a one month time frame to whip that dog

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<v Speaker 1>into shave probation so that she can stay with her

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<v Speaker 1>dog walker. Pray for me, everyone, if you have dog,

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<v Speaker 1>train to slne to my DMS. Anyway, that's my that's

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<v Speaker 1>my life update. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I needed that. That was great, Love you, dah Well, look,

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<v Speaker 3>we do love Dalilah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she could come to the studio if she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't drop her hair everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Kim just start bringing her in and put her

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<v Speaker 1>in the corner. She's really chill now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's more the hair factor.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring it vackum.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm not against it's not my studio. So I

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<v Speaker 3>mean speaking this is not speaking of pussy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, speaking of dogs, then pussies. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean kind of like within the same realm, but slightly different.

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<v Speaker 2>So last week we were talking about the word pussy,

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<v Speaker 2>as in like you know, calling someone a pussy for

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<v Speaker 2>not being brave enough, like jump off the cliff, your pussy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just do what you pussy, And then we kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as I said it, and as the word

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<v Speaker 2>pussy actually you think you said it. But anyway, as

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<v Speaker 2>the word came out of someone's mouth in here, the

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<v Speaker 2>like PC lens of mind was like, oh God, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>in the comment section is gonna come have it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna fucking come for us for the use of

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<v Speaker 3>the word pussy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, then we ended up getting into a weird conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about Betty White and how like pussies are actually really strong.

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<v Speaker 3>They take a pumpy take a look.

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<v Speaker 2>We really tried to cover all bases there, but anyway

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<v Speaker 2>one of you guys slid in to our dms or

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<v Speaker 2>into the space someone's sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>We got scolled.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone slid it into my pussy and told me that

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<v Speaker 2>actually the word pussy, like calling someone a pussy for

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<v Speaker 2>not being strong enough, has nothing to do with vaginas.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can all like stop worrying about it because

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<v Speaker 2>I know everyone's been losing sleep. So the word pussy

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<v Speaker 2>originates from the word puss alanimus, which is showing a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of courage or determination or is timid pus alanimous.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next time someone is being pussy, don't call

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<v Speaker 2>them a pussy, call them a pussy lannimus And it means.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to use it without feeling guilty, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a derogatory term related to the vagina.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because let's not put our vaginas or revolvers down.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not call people pussies. Let's call them puslanimus. When

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<v Speaker 2>I say, when I always said pussy, though, puss alanimi,

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<v Speaker 2>because what's the plural of it, just one flat puss alanimie.

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<v Speaker 1>When I used the term pussy, I don't cringe. I

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<v Speaker 1>would always say to somebody, you're a pussy, but not

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<v Speaker 1>because I never actually associated with a vagina. I just

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<v Speaker 1>associated it with being scared. Because when I hear the

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<v Speaker 1>word pussy in relation to a vagina, I cringe. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like vaginas being called pussy. So if I was

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<v Speaker 1>hooking up with someone who's like, show me a pussy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, Eh, there's a front door, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'll show you. I don't like the term actor as well,

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<v Speaker 1>first date. I don't like the term pussy in relation

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<v Speaker 1>to a vaginal.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree, but everyone's different, Like some people find that really

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<v Speaker 2>hot and steamy. There isn't a term. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunate thing for me. There isn't a term for revolver

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<v Speaker 2>or for a vagina that a guy can say in

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<v Speaker 2>sex that makes me feel like that's sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would your word if if you're getting into

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<v Speaker 1>it and he's trying to sexy talk and he has

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<v Speaker 1>to use a word to refer to it, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you want if it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if it had to happen for me, it'd be pussy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing, because if someone's like the word

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<v Speaker 2>that there is, but I don't enjoy it being said.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not like, yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your volver, like, it doesn't turn me on. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it's not my volvo the car. No, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn you on. Okay, But what is yours when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to a penis.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm probably cock? Yeah, so basic willy dick Once

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<v Speaker 1>I said once I said willie, but like, get your

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<v Speaker 1>willie up, show me a willie, I would say no,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think dick's okay as well.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's cock for me.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm going to dirty talk, dick feels like a

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<v Speaker 2>like a swear word, like if I'm calling someone a dick,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it doesn't really feel like something to bring into

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<v Speaker 2>the bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wouldn't really call someone a cock. Okay. The

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<v Speaker 1>relation for the true dick for me just is like

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<v Speaker 1>a okay, regular penis. But when you say cock, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it sound like it's going to destroy you, Like

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<v Speaker 1>cock just means it's going to dare you. But so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's a real compliment, isn't it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>men would want it to be referred to as a seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>k Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that you spelt it out after saying cock five times.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, look off that back of that note.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure my name would really appreciate us talking about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. That's sorry, Shirley, mate, what a segue.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what she used to use.

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<v Speaker 1>We love she said.

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<v Speaker 3>Cock or dick?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So look, the reason why I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't because I mean it's a weird one for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because I kind of partly feel like you almost can't

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<v Speaker 2>be sad when someone who's ninety four years old passes

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<v Speaker 2>away because it is so not a tragedy, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>my NaN's had dementia for so long, and for the

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<v Speaker 2>past five years, I think her.

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<v Speaker 1>Life has been really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's been living in a home she lost her

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<v Speaker 2>husband and like the love of her life. My grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>were together since she was sixteen and her whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>and so for the past like five years, every time

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<v Speaker 2>you see how she's always.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, love you ready to die now? So she's thrilled,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is exactly what she wanted. I love you,

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<v Speaker 3>kill me on the way out. But it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I will say that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I agree with, and I just think that we're

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<v Speaker 1>told that when someone has lived a long life, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're in their nineties, we're told that like, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be sad, you should be happy they had a fulfilling life,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so true, but you can still be sad

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<v Speaker 1>that that person that has been a part of your

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<v Speaker 1>whole life, even though they've lived a little life, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still sad, like you've still lost someone. It's just it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it a little bit more comforting to know they

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<v Speaker 1>had the great life, but it doesn't take away the

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<v Speaker 1>grief totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, it's a bit different because my grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>were more than just grandparents to me, Like I lived

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<v Speaker 2>with my grandparents growing up, so my nan was my

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<v Speaker 2>second mum and my grandfather filled my paper. He filled

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<v Speaker 2>such a paternal role in my life and for that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be forever grateful for them, because they were during

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<v Speaker 2>a time when my childhood was very chaotic. They were

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<v Speaker 2>the one relationship that was always stable, and they always

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<v Speaker 2>showed up for me and my sister and my brother.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were really incredible people.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason why I wanted to talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>is because we have an episode that's coming out tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>It is with hospice nurse Julie, who is very prolific

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<v Speaker 2>across TikTok, and we recorded this before we actually went

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<v Speaker 2>on holidays, and so at the time, my Nan didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have pneumonia and she wasn't unwell. And one of the

0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.720
<v Speaker 2>things that hospiciness duly talked about in this episode is

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<v Speaker 2>this moment of clarity that often people have when they

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<v Speaker 2>are in palliative care and they are in the final

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<v Speaker 2>stages before death. And I'm genuinely so grateful that we

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<v Speaker 2>had done that interview and we'd had that conversation just

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<v Speaker 2>before Nan passing away, because I think it gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of an understanding and a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a preparation for what was going to happen. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>expect the timing to be so soon, but it really

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<v Speaker 2>made a massive difference to me. And the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>it did make this massive difference is because one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that Julie was speaking about is that when

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<v Speaker 2>some patients, whether it be dementia patients or very elderly,

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<v Speaker 2>have been like non responsive or have been like very

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<v Speaker 2>unconnected for a long time, that they have these moments,

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<v Speaker 2>often in the final stages just before death, of lucidity,

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<v Speaker 2>where they come to and they're able to have conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and talk. And she said that there's this experience that

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<v Speaker 2>some people have which no one knows why, but it

0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.680
<v Speaker 2>seems this real, like lucid connection again with reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fog lifts for a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And my nan has not been very conscious at

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<v Speaker 2>all for the last couple of weeks, even when she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have pneumonia. You were only getting sort of like

0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.800
<v Speaker 2>very short replies out of her. But I went down

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<v Speaker 2>there to Woongong two nights before she passed away, and

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<v Speaker 2>nobody else had had a conversation with her. My sister

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<v Speaker 2>had been down there that same day and she hadn't

0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.360
<v Speaker 2>even woken up. And at last she was at the

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<v Speaker 2>hospital for over an hour, and I got down there

0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and she was completely asleep, and she was like very

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<v Speaker 2>heavy in the chest and like real like drool of

0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to breathe. And then I sat down and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just having a conversation with her, like I was

0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.240
<v Speaker 2>just talking to her as though she could understand what

0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I was saying, even though she was completely not conscious.

0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.080
<v Speaker 2>And then she started to show signs after about twenty

0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.960
<v Speaker 2>minutes that she knew I was there. She was like

0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.760
<v Speaker 2>moving her hand and then after a little bit longer,

0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:01.680
<v Speaker 2>she was trying to raise her hand up to hold

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<v Speaker 2>my hand, and then slowly she started showing more and

0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.639
<v Speaker 2>more awareness that I was there. What happened next was

0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.959
<v Speaker 2>like truly incredible and something that I will keep with

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<v Speaker 2>me for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>She woke up and she wanted she was like, my

0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:18.160
<v Speaker 3>back is sore.

0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.520
<v Speaker 2>She wanted to sit up in bed, so I got

0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the nurse, and the nurse came in and sat her up,

0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and then we spent an hour and forty minutes just

0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about all the memories that we have, Like she

0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.959
<v Speaker 2>was prompting me on stories about my papa, things like

0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.360
<v Speaker 2>how he would ride his bike to go see her

0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and put newspaper down his shirt to stay warm because

0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.000
<v Speaker 2>they had no money. And she was like the big paper,

0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the sun Herald, because it covered him up more. And

0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.120
<v Speaker 2>she was actually the one who was prompting these stories.

0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And she, you know, she was saying things like what

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<v Speaker 2>about the rat, the rat behind the oven, and then

0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to prompt me on stories about from when I

0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.800
<v Speaker 2>was living in Lizmore and how he had this rat

0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that ended up behind the oven, and these things that

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that there's no way that she would remember,

0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.800
<v Speaker 2>but she remember them so clearly. Even if the timeline

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't exact, she got like the timeline mixed up, but

0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the stories themselves she remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. It's it's also when you think of dementia, a

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of dementia patients, it's quite short term. All the

0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.239
<v Speaker 1>second half of their life, they forget things. But when

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you think about the fact how involved you were in

0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.240
<v Speaker 1>their life, like you lived with them from a really

0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.119
<v Speaker 1>young age. So all her memories, she she does remember

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that whole part. You know, if that was me and

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.640
<v Speaker 1>my nan, I didn't have that relationship, so she might

0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.679
<v Speaker 1>not have remembered who I even was. But you were

0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>such an integral part of her life, so it must

0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 1>be so nice for her to but like so random,

0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.199
<v Speaker 1>like they're rat at Uni that time, Like what a

0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.560
<v Speaker 1>strange memory. Well it was.

0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like the story behind that is probably too

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the much to get into, but it was that was

0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 2>very no I cooked it. I lived in Lismore and

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<v Speaker 2>like I was living in a terrible share house and

0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the last straw was this rat that ended up like

0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.359
<v Speaker 2>running through the kitchen and jumping behind the oven. And

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I called my nan at the time and I was

0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.399
<v Speaker 2>like I can't live here anymore. And her and my

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 2>papa drove up to come pick me up from liz

0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Moare and bring me home and so and so she

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.280
<v Speaker 2>was like remember the rat and because she was like,

0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.800
<v Speaker 2>you'll let me get squalor.

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Which that must have been a really big moment for

0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.600
<v Speaker 1>her to, Yeah, that's what stood out. There must have

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>been a moment where she's like I'm going to go

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.679
<v Speaker 1>protect my granddaughter, like I'm going to go get her

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.959
<v Speaker 1>and bring her home to safety, like she's she's remembered,

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 1>she you remember that.

0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.399
<v Speaker 2>And she also talked so much about like having dreams

0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.240
<v Speaker 2>about Papa. She said I've been seeing Papa a lot,

0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.879
<v Speaker 2>which was really sweet. And then I asked her. I

0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.880
<v Speaker 2>know it's probably a bit late to ask, now, Nan,

0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>but what do you want at your funeral? Like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a choice, what do you want to have there?

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<v Speaker 2>She goes, I just want your papa to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, Nan, because sometimes she would.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget that he's not alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, Nan, you know Papa's he'll

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<v Speaker 2>be with you, he won't be there, and she goes, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the ad.

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<v Speaker 3>So she wanted me to bring there to the funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you Yeah, would you put them together?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's under the kitchen bench at the moment, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to bring in. I think he's been waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for Nan.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing is that they always wanted to get cremated and

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<v Speaker 2>thrown off no mount mount Kembler, Makira. They always want

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<v Speaker 2>to get thrown off like this mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Which mountain is because Ma Kira, I'm gonna throw it

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere up. So he's been waiting, So that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>next step. So your Nan wants to be cremated, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that's what you guys are gonna do together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to go down as a family and

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<v Speaker 2>toss them off. So my advice would be to don't

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<v Speaker 2>go high.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll let you guys all know.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't hiking that day or Mount Kira because if a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of dust falls down, it's Nada and Barba on

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<v Speaker 2>their way down the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, this is a fucked thing to attach to

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<v Speaker 1>the back. But we're here, we are. I remember years

0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>ago we had an accidentally unfiltered written in about a

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<v Speaker 1>girl that was on a walk along a cliff face

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 1>like it was like a beach walk with a guy.

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.160
<v Speaker 1>They're on a date, I think, and they could feel

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on them, falling on them, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>what what is this? And they looked around and I

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.520
<v Speaker 1>looked up and they realized that they were getting someone's

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<v Speaker 1>ashes off the cliff. Someone was like spreading ashes and

0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it went all over them. They on their first date.

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<v Speaker 1>They were covered in a dead person? Like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that you?

0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 1>That's a be careful a if you're going for a

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>high can be piss Brettan nashes if you think.

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.639
<v Speaker 2>It's a windy day and it's really dusty, like I

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<v Speaker 2>have a little reassessment as to what's going on no,

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, the reason why I wanted to say it,

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 2>like I said, is tomorrow's episode Hospiceeness Druly, the reality

0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:20.879
<v Speaker 2>is is that we are all, at some point in

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 2>our life going to lose someone who we love, and

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 2>as we get older, those moments seem to happen a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more frequent than.

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<v Speaker 1>What you would like.

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<v Speaker 2>And it gave me a lot of comfort doing that

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<v Speaker 2>interview prior to this happening with Nan, So I would

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<v Speaker 2>so recommend everybody listens to tomorrow's episode because she is

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.199
<v Speaker 2>incredible and there's so few people who can speak about

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<v Speaker 2>the closeness of death and the experience of death and

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 2>being around a loved one who dies, and also someone

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 2>who's seen it not just intimately but also objectively as well,

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 2>because she stood alongside it. So it's an awesome interview

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.440
<v Speaker 2>it's coming out tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Or two things. One thing, I've been around a lot

0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of death in hospital, and this I learned so much

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 1>more from Nurse Julie, Like it's just such a different

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 1>lens and a different angle. Like even I think everyone,

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.879
<v Speaker 1>no matter what stage of life you are at or

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>what grief you've been through, this is an episode for everyone,

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Like it was very fascinating and educational. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing I want to add is because I know there

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>might be a lot of people listening now that don't

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.879
<v Speaker 1>really understand the conversation we just had or how we

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>had it in terms of, you know, we just made

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of jokes and there's a lot of laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just wanted to be said that Laura has

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 1>gone through it in her own way for however long.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot of the time that we

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.199
<v Speaker 1>deal with things with laughter. It doesn't we don't want

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.120
<v Speaker 1>anyone to be offended the fact that we can make

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<v Speaker 1>some jokes and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's Oh, I think it's the only way to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, Look, it's been a really hard time

0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 2>for my mum at the moment because, like as you

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>all know, you guys have been listening to the show

0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 2>for a while, Like my stepdad's in palliative care and

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.439
<v Speaker 2>my mum's just lost her mum. So I think the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I feel so flat and so sad isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just because of Nan.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like NaN's if.

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Like she was so ready, I know that she would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, guys, you're held on to me for way

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>too long. She's like she was done without shit a

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 2>long time ago. But I feel really feel for my

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>mom because my mum is the primary err for my

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>stepdad at the moment, and then now she's just lost

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>her mum.

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, fuck man life.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, three's just some curve balls and then you've lost

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 2>your dog walkers, so like it's fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't relate the two my grief this week, whilst

0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 1>it has been tough, not compared to yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, the only way to do with this ship is

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 3>by having a laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, well let's get into we're actually talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>So we want to talk about something today. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>shut up rings or shut up moves.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what is so funny about this because like,

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<v Speaker 2>as two people who work in the space.

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Of relationships, we have a relationships podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere that I had read about this, everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you've all heard of like a shut up ring, And

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<v Speaker 2>if I genuinely hand on my heart was like, fuck,

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm such a millennial. I had not heard of shut

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<v Speaker 2>up ring, but I not I understand the concept. We're

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>going to tell you the concept. If you've never heard

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 2>of a shut up ring.

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<v Speaker 3>You are not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea of shut up rings, which we're going

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 1>to get into, has been around for a while. It

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<v Speaker 1>is having a little bit of a resurgence, but that

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>is because of this one girl on TikTok who has

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<v Speaker 1>advanced the idea of shut up rings. It's evolved, Thank you,

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that was what I was looking for. It's evolved to

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.360
<v Speaker 1>shut up moves, not just shut up rings. Her TikTok

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:28.760
<v Speaker 1>is Monica Millington. But have a listen to what she

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<v Speaker 1>says about shut up moves.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, shut up moves are basically any action that a

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 4>man will take to get you to shut up in

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 4>the same ven as a shut up ring. And if

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 4>you don't know what a shut up ring is, it's

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<v Speaker 4>basically when you have been in a relationship for long

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<v Speaker 4>enough and the woman is saying, why haven't you proposed me?

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<v Speaker 4>Why aren't you proposing And the man eventually proposes, not

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<v Speaker 4>by his own free will, but because he thinks it

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 4>will get her to shut up and he can just

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<v Speaker 4>live his life.

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<v Speaker 1>In peace if he marries her.

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<v Speaker 4>So, in this commentry situation, the guy is moving in

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 4>with her just to get her to stop talking about

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 4>moving in and more importantly getting her to stop talking

0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 4>about the future and getting her to stop talking about

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 4>where's this going when we're getting married, what's our future

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 4>look like? Do we want kids?

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<v Speaker 1>What's our plan?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think as women, we get roped into these

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 4>things and we think that there are good things in

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.479
<v Speaker 4>the beginning because we're like, oh my god, we finally

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 4>got what we wanted. He's finally doing it, he's finally proposing,

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 4>he's finally moving in, he's finally making.

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Moves for our future.

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 4>But this is so problematic because it's a short term

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.400
<v Speaker 4>solution for long term pain, because it's not genuine, it's

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 4>not authentic, it's not coming from a place of wanting

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 4>to build lives together.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this is a really interesting concept, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as you know everything now when it comes

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to relationships, has a term and has a way in

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 2>which to explain it. But I think a lot of

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>people would have experienced this, whether it be in their

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 2>current relationship or past relationships. And I cannot tell you

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the amount of questions we get in from people who

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<v Speaker 2>are saying, you know, I've been with my partner for

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>X amount of years, I really want to get married

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and he hasn't met me there yet, or I don't

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 2>know how to bring it up with him, or we've

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>talked about it and talked about it, and yet he's

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 2>made no attempt or no initiation to kind of actually

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 2>take a step in that direction. And I think there's

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 2>a big question here around knowing where the line is

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 2>between badgering and nagging someone into doing the things that

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 2>you want them to do to progress your life and

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>showing someone and explaining to someone the things that you

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>want so that you're on the same page. And I

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's really like, it's an interesting thing about kind

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of unpacking where does that line sit.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel quite uncomfortable when I listen to this, and

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the reason is I completely understand what women are saying

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>when they're like, oh, I've received shut up rings or

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>shut up moves, or they do this just to keep

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 1>me quiet. And then it falls apart later because I said,

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, you've got to propose or I'm leaving, Like

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I've put five years of my life in propose or

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<v Speaker 1>I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an ultimatum.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an ultimatum, and at the end of the day,

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>ultimatums are really negative and really detrimental in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's quite a last ditch effort to

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>be trying to hold onto something or get something that

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you want. But the reason I feel a bit uncomfortable

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 1>with it is I don't want this conversation to be

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>about blaming men like I have pushed you, push you,

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and push you, and you're not doing it, so then

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you do it, and then I get fucked over. At

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, there's two people here in

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a relationship. Maybe you want different things, but if you

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>have pushed and pushed, we're just going to use the proposal, right,

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the ring. If you had

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>said to your partner, I just want to get married

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sick of waiting. So if you don't propose

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>by six months, I'm done. I'm going to go find

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>someone who will marry me. And when I did a

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 1>deep dive, there were so many of these, like Reddit threads,

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>so many discussion groups, so many people. I was shocked

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>at how many people were putting those ultimatums to their

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>partner and then complaining that it didn't work. Of course,

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to work. An ultimatum like that about

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>proposing by a certain day is a manipulation. It is

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>literally saying you have to have the extreme version of me,

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>like we have to completely get married or you're getting nothing.

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>So of course these people are going to be panicked

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and manipulated and bullied into that situation. But I think

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you have to ask yourself, do I really want to

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 1>get what I want? Because I've pushed that person into

0:27:59.400 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a corner?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel a little bit.

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like whoa like WO is the men

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>who get manipulated by their female spouses.

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that, but I think I don't think

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>we can just blame one of the sexes in these situations.

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't, but I we're speaking predominantly heterosexual relationships here.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Obviously every relationship is very, very different. But I think

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>when you have given six years or seven years of

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>your life or eight years or ten years of your

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 2>life to a relationship, and you have communicated from day

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>dot that marriage and children, whatever, the traditional goals that

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you have in your life are for where you want

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>your life to be. You've communicated that, and you have

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>been given the belief that those things will exist in

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>your relationship with that person. But you wait and you

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>wait and you wait. There comes a place where I

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>understand why people feel as though they need to give

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 2>an ultimatum.

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Because they're at their wits ends.

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, we've had this conversation now for seven

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>years and nothing's happened, and it's a big deal to

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>feel as though you're just going to walk away, Like

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 2>as a woman who's in that place, who's like, Okay,

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I've given seven years of my life to this relationship.

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to marry you, I want to spend my

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 2>life with you. You have said you want those things

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>with me, So when's it happening? What's the problem here?

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think that there are a lot of guys

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 2>who are happy to just coast. And the reason for

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that is is also because they don't need to worry

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>about their biological clock. They're not thinking, oh, I've just

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 2>taken their fertility window. They're like, well, you know, like

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not feeling it yet, but I'll just wait and see. Yeah,

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 2>some people do have this really casual perspective to relationships,

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's okay, that's not a bad thing, but it

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>is a bad thing if you've led someone to believe

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the alternate. That's why I understand why some women give

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 2>men ultimatums. But just because I understand it doesn't mean

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that I believe that ultimatums will work out favorably.

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 3>I think the big thing to kind of.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Unpack here is, how do you know if you're someone

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 2>who has been waiting for a really long time, or

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 2>if you're someone who does feel as though you're constantly

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>asking for a thing in your relationship? How do you

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 2>know that the actions of your partner is than just

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>a shut up ring or a shut up move, like

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>what would be the defining key things that make you

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>go okay. I don't actually think that this is his behavior.

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he's just done this so that I'll stop

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>asking for this thing that I really want so badly

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>in my life.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the person that you hopefully will spend

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your very long life with at the

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>end of the day. Do you really want someone that

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>you have to beg and beg and nag and nag

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and nag and at the end of the day push

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>them into a corner to make that commitment. Now, I'm

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not blaming either side here. I'm not saying either thing

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>is right.

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 4>Or wrong.

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I do think that sometimes we need

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit introspective about what we're asking

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and how we're asking for it, and what we're wanting.

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the situation or the person isn't the right person

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>for you, full stop. Maybe they don't want the same

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>things as you, full stop.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>That's a really really hard thing to objectively look at

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 2>in your own relationship and go, this person won't give

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 2>me what I want.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And having said that, and I'm going to use like

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a personal example here for me, maybe there's a lot

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of men out there, and again heterosexual, we're talking men

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and women. Maybe there's a lot of men out there

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>that don't have a full comprehension or understanding of, like

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Lauria said, the biological clock or it or what's important

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to you. So the reason I say that is I'm

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven next month, and you guys know that I

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>don't have a great fertility window. But Ben and I

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>had had these conversations really openly, and this is what

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I think this all comes back to, is just having

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a really open conversation about your timeline, what you're looking for,

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>what you want, getting an understanding of if they want

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the same things. And when I had said to Ben,

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I had sort of explained. I was like, you know,

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>we said we want to get married, we said we'd

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>probably want to have kids one day, and because we

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>don't live together, it's a bit different. We had a timeline,

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and I had to explain to him. I was like,

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to get engaged in the next year. He's like,

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>do you feel like there's a rush, Like, what's the rush.

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, it's not a rush, but there is

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a timeline. And for me personally, I would like to

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>be married before I had kids. Not the end of

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the world, but it's how I see it. It's how

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I would like the next two to three years to go.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>And then I had to explain to him. I say, well,

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>think of the timeline, Ben, like, if I want to

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>have a baby, it's probably going to be IVF, which

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>could take a while, and then our pregnancies, let's just

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>say a year by the time you actually conceive, and

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>then usually an engagement is a year. I said, all

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, that's two and a half three years

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like that. And I was like, so these are things

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you got to think of, and he's like, I guess

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think of I didn't think of the long timeline.

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I just thought you're getting engaged, then you get married

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and then So I think that that was just an

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>open conversation about how I wanted to see the future

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and then literally breaking it down to what it looks like.

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, wow, I hadn't thought of.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 3>It like that.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I kind of interpret this whole idea

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>of like a shut up ring maybe a little bit differently,

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>And that is is someone might propose and then they

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>have zero initiative or care about actually organizing a wedding

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 2>or even a date in mind. They're like, oh no,

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not worried about the wedding. I was

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>just thinking about the proposal. And that's because it buys

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>them time within this kind of relationship. I guess my

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>one experience that I can really think about where I

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 2>know that I was in it was the wrong relationship,

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>but I wanted it so desperately to work, and there

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>was a shut up move, not a shut up ring.

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I'd been with my boyfriend for almost six years, my

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 2>first like really really long term relationship, the one I

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 2>have talked about where I was like convinced that we

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 2>were going to get married.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 3>He was not, but he never even know we were dating.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 3>He never bought me a present.

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.239
<v Speaker 2>In five and a half years of our relationship, he

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>never bought me a present. I'm talking Christmas, no present, Birthday,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>no present. He just never ever ever bought me anything.

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>So weird, it's so weird.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I can not even give you anything nothing.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 2>But it was also my first big relationship, and I

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>was so desperately in love with him that I would have.

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Made any excuse, like any excuse for anything. Did I

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>say happy birthday or give you a card?

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Did you have just said I'm not a birthday person?

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Like he just really I am?

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, But I remember we got to like

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the fifth year, and my birthday had come and gone

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>again and he'd not bought me anything. And so I

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>kicked up a bit of a stink. And like each

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 2>year I would kick up a bit more of a stink,

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 2>there would be a bit more passat kind of like

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>commentary around it. And this year I got really passive aggressive,

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know, I feel as though

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you don't care, you don't make me feel special on

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>my birthday.

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 3>You don't do anything.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't buy me anything, not that it's about the gifts,

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 2>but you don't give me a car. You do nothing

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>that makes me feel special on my birthday. And so

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 2>two weeks later, he comes home from work this one day,

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and he'd obviously walked past a store and he's way

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>home from work, and he'd bought a necklace. At the time,

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I just started Tony May. I made jewelry for a job,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 2>and it was in a weird thing to be given

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>a necklace that was one completely not my style, and

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 2>two I knew he just picked it up from the

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 2>shop that we would walk past on the way home.

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>But I know that that was a shut up present.

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>He was like, see, look I think of you. I

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 2>did this as a spontaneous, active gift giving, like I'm

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 2>so great, and he, in his mind, had bought him

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 2>some time. He didn't buy me another present after that.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 2>He never put an effort when it came to the

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 2>next Christmas or anything. It was like very much an

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 2>act just to show that he had listened to that conversation.

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that there is a very fine

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>line between taking this too seriously, because I think we

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>do need to tell our partners what it is that

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>we want in relationships, and it is important that you know,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>sometimes we might have to explain to them how we

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>feel or where we want the relationship to go. I

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 2>don't like the idea, and there's that saying if they wanted.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 3>To, they would right.

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the idea of thinking that every single

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 2>person you're in a relationship with intuitively knows you well

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>enough that they will just hit the mark every single time.

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not going to happen. There are going to be

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.399
<v Speaker 2>times where your partner, no matter how wonderful they are,

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 2>completely misses the mark and doesn't give you the things

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 2>that you.

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Need in your relationships.

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>And it's okay to have to explain to them what

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 2>it is that you need to be satisfied. The difference

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>is having to constantly and repetitively ask for the same

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.879
<v Speaker 2>thing over and over and over for them to only

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>change their behavior for a short period of time to

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>then go back to their default. That's what I think

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 2>defines a shut up move or a shut up ring

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>when you go to.

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Your relationship, situationship, whatever it is, when you go to

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>them with something that could result in an ultimatum, like

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>what you're needing. I think you really need to be

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>prepared that their answer might not match yours, it might

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>not end the way you want it to, but you

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>need to be prepared to walk away. So if you're

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>saying you need to propose by this time or I'm done,

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 1>it can't be a threat, because it is a threat,

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>but it has to be something that you're willing to

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>actually go through with. If you are going to back

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>your partner into a corner in any capacity, you have

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to really mean it, and you have to be willing to.

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Say, but that Jay, I'm going to walk away.

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>But in saying that, that is still the ultimatum, because

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>if somebody, whether they are absolutely going to do it

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 2>or they're not going to do it, whether it's a

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>real threat or an empty threat, making and giving that

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>ultimatum still means that ultimately the reason why that person

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>might do the moving in or giving of the ring

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 2>is because of the extreme. It's like, well, if you

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>don't do this thing, then you get nothing. That's why

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>they're making the move in the first place. So, I mean,

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>it does kind of come back full circle to this

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>reasoning as to why ultimatums are really unhealthy in relationships. However,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they do have to be made, and they have

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 2>to be made for yourself from a self preservationpective. But

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really really hard when you have committed

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 2>so much time to someone and to a relationship to

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>just give up when you see so much potential in

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>where it can be, and you see so much potential

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>in what you want with that person that I think

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>there does come a point where you have to be

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>honest with yourself and really question do they have the

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 2>capacity to give me what I want in life? Or

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>am I constantly desiring more than what it is that

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>they are offering me even if they say it, Because

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>we all know people can say one thing and then

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 2>their actions mean very different things. So if if your

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>partner's saying, oh, yeah, next year we'll get engaged, then

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>next year comes and goes and then they're like, well, yeah, no,

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've been really busy. This has come up,

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that's come up, it'll be the year after. I think

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 2>if this behavior has been going on for so long,

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you have to give yourself a kind of understanding as

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to what's your timeline going to be. Britt here's a

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>question for you, how long do you think is an

0:37:56.040 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 2>acceptable time to wait for something that you want, whether

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>it's moving in with your partner, whether it's getting married.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I just think how long is a piece of string.

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can put a time frame on

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that that is so dependent an individual on every single relationship,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>situationship and the way you feel inside your boundaries and

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>what you expect and see in your relationship. I don't

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>think you can say it's like, you know, you've waited

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>for six months, that's long enough. It depends on their

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>behavior when they're in the relationship as well, like are

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>they blatantly promising you something like next year, we're going

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to do it and they're not following through? Or is

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it just a conversation that you haven't really had properly?

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Is has it been up in the air and you're

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just thinking, oh, it's been six years, it's got to

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>be next year without having the conversation. What it comes

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>down to is what is important to you and what

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>you want from that relationship and is your partner going

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.919
<v Speaker 1>to give it to you. The only way to find

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>those out is to have those really hard conversations, because

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>time and time again, and I have a really good

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.879
<v Speaker 1>friend who's still in this situation now. Two people make

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 1>their motives and the way they see their future very

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>clear at the beginning, but one person always doesn't listen,

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>like they don't match, and one person's always like, I'm

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>going to change them. I know they say, yeah, I

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 1>know they said they don't want to get married.

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 3>But I'll be the exception if we're together.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Four years and we have a kid and they're gonna

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>want to get married, or maybe they say they don't

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 1>want kids and they've always said that, and then four

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 1>years in there, you're going to be like, well, surely,

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>like we've lived together, we're gonna spend our life together,

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Surely they'll want it, and then they get so shocked

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>when they are four years deep in the partner says,

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:25.439
<v Speaker 1>I told you I didn't want them.

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that that's a very different situation when

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 2>when someone's telling you what they want in their relationship,

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>listen to them. But I think it's the alternate that

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>can be really tricky, and it's the alternate that we've

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>received lots of askun cuts on. It's when someone's promising

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>something but their actions don't actually come through with the

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 2>thing that they are saying that they want. And I

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>think for me there is a timeline. I know that

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be different for every person, but I

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 2>don't think now. I know in my twenties, I would

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 2>have waited a long time. Man, I waited six years,

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>right like I waited, and I was so hopeful that

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 2>he would one day come around and propose to me

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.479
<v Speaker 2>and one of the big things I wanted. I do

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>think as you get older, potentially that timeline gets shorter,

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.800
<v Speaker 2>because I know that, you know, when I met Matt,

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have stayed in a relationship with him if

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't clear that he was on the same page

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.959
<v Speaker 2>with the things that I wanted and actually followed through

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>with actions, not just words, with those things. And I

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>think that that's really important for everyone to assess, like

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>what is your timeline and then what is the timeline

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that you will accept from your partner, because no one

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>wants to be in a relationship where they feel as

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>though they have to badger or nag that person to

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>fulfill the things that's going to make them happy in life,

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>because ultimately, as we know, it won't make you happy anyway.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>It is time for our suck and our sweet of

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>our wig, our highs and a los as you know,

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 2>my ex suck of the week. I don't think I

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 2>need to go into that again, but my sweet of

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the week is We went down on the weekend to

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Wollongong and took my mum and my Annie out for

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 2>a lunch and it was honestly like my mum needed

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 2>it so much, but it was just such a nice

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>time to go out and like spend time with family

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 2>to like reminisce about the things from our childhood. And

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 2>we went to the restaurant that I used to work

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>out that I've spoken about before, the Seafood Willongong. In

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the seafood restaurant in Wollongong.

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Were used to eat food off plates and stuff.

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where I used to stand in the back of

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the kitchen and eat the scraps of everyone's seafood platter.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:16.879
<v Speaker 3>But now I'm at a point in my life where

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 3>I could.

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Buy the seafood platter. So that was like it was

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>a real full circle moment for me.

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 3>How the turntable, how the turns.

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.879
<v Speaker 1>And table, So that was my sweet. Yeah.

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>And also the kids are on the other side of

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 2>gastro It's really like shit turned a corner this week.

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>What a time to be alive in the burn household?

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Well was it? I don't know. It was a My god,

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>that was such a bag. What a time to be alive.

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>N just not for Nan. Just when I think I

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 1>can't put my foot in it anymore, I always find

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a way time to be alive. Except for Lauri's Nan.

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 3>She she'd be look, she would laugh, She's fine. She

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 3>likes a good joke. She loved a good giggle that

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 3>old Shirley made.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's been a particularly it's been a

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 2>particularly down a week for us, but there's always, even

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>in the shittiest moments, there's always the there's always little.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Sweets that you can hold onto. Yeah, that's it.

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Mine is same, Dalilah, little turd burger, She's really been

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.479
<v Speaker 1>a band of my existence this week. So not gonna

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>lean into that anymore. And my sweet probably similar to

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>last week where I told you my suck, was that

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>my little nephew was here having an operation. Because he's

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>only one, they have to hang around for two weeks

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>because you have to be close to the hospital. So

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I got to spend some really good time with my

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>sister in law and my two nephews, one the one

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>that's had the operation because he's out of hospital, and

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>my now two week old nephew.

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 2>You just posting photos with a newborn baby. It's the

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>weirdest thing I've ever seen. It's like, I felt weird.

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 1>What am I holding? I was? He's got it's is

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.839
<v Speaker 1>so long and gangling, and I just look at him

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>all the time and I'm like, what I do with you?

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I'll just hold you. And then I'm like, wow, that's

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>what you do with them, just hold them. But I

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>don't even need to. He's so I just put him

0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>down in blanket and he's so fine. I left for

0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>eight hours and came back and he was still fine.

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 3>That's a joke everyone. That's an equal comedy in the business.

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>But it was really sweet because I whenever I've got

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of nieces in it for he was actually

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to know, like seven or eight of them

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>or something. I can't count him anymore. But I never

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>get to spend that much time with him, especially when

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:19.879
<v Speaker 1>they're little, because none of them live here. So usually

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 1>you go and visit and you see him for ten

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>minutes or whatever, and that's busy, but.

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>What was it like being around in newborn for prologed

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>periods of time.

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>All I can think of is how much respect I

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>have for moms? Do you know what? I thought? How

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the fuck does Laura do it? That's what I thought, whoa,

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 1>how do you do anything? And I don't. But no,

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 1>that's my point, Like when you're running businesses and you've

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.399
<v Speaker 1>got a newborn and you're trying to live your life

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to all I could think of and

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>he was fine, he just laid there and slept, But

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>my mind got very carried away. I was like, Wow,

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 1>moms are amazing, Like they just do so much stuff

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>because you guys forget, you don't forget to tell you

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 1>all the time. But I'm mid to late thirties now

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and I have spent my whole life with no kids,

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and even when I have a partner, they're not here.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>So the amount of free time that I have to

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>have a nap or maybe I want to go to

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the gym in ten minutes, or I want to have

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a sauna, or I want to go for a walk,

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm meeting my friends for dinner.

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Like it's an absolutely like anomaly.

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>It's such an unbelievable novelty being able to live life

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:18.240
<v Speaker 2>like whenever you want to live life.

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm so selfish with my time because I've never had

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to give it to anyone. I haven't been forced to

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>give it to anyone else, So it's for me. I've

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.360
<v Speaker 1>lived thirty seven years like that, so it's it's a

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 1>real shock to the system when I have to consider

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:30.919
<v Speaker 1>someone else.

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 2>On the flip side of that, I had one of

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 2>those days yesterday, and I think every parent will relate

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 2>to this.

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I had one of those days where six thirty.

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Came around and all I wanted to do was get

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 2>my children into bed. I was like, my life no,

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>just like I just was like wishing away the hours

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 2>for bedtime because it was just a hard day. And

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I cannot wait. I love them, They're amazing.

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I cannot wait until they're asleep.

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 3>Until the eighteenth, and I cannot wait until they move out.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll wait till they get married and someone takes them

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:02.439
<v Speaker 3>off my hand.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, guys, that is it from ours.

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Look tomorrow's episode, as we said, it is with hospice

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 2>nurse Julie. It's a really beautiful episode. I think whether

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you have lost someone, you have someone going through palliative care,

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 2>whether you have elderly grandparents or you know, even if

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 2>you just have parents, because at some point you are

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>going to lose someone who you love.

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 3>That is a horrible reality of life.

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>But it is truly a beautiful episode and I think

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 2>everybody will learn something for it, and it will give

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you a bit of comfort as well as to how

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to deal with things in your own life, but also

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 2>how to support and help the people around you who

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.240
<v Speaker 2>might be going through something.

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to your mom, to dad, tell you dog,

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>tear friends, and share the love because weilla love

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Tight.