1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're joined by journalists Amy, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Sophie and Kate Torbert, and today we're talking all things 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor now. New Bachelor Matt Agnew has had the difficult 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: task of coming into the Bachelor franchise after what was 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: probably the worst series, which involved the Honey Badger last year, 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: and his shock decision to pick nobody. Kate and Sophie, 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on the first and second episode. 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: I've actually been really enjoying it. I mean, we're two 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: episodes in so far. I love the fact that Channel 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: ten have selected an unknown bachelor. It's the first time 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen, since Sam Woods was the Bachelor, that 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: we're meeting someone for the first time. It's not just 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: some rehashed ex contestant or supposed celebrity like the Honey Badger. 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: I have to agree, I do love the selection of 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: Matt Agnew is refreshing. I mean, I love Tim Robards 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: in the first series of The Bachelor, But I have 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: to say I've been quite disappointed. I was pretty bored 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: watching it. I've got to agree with Amy. I actually 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: found it really boring. I was excited to see how 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Matt would go, and I think he's a breath of 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: fresh air. But the female contestants again are just old 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: hat like. They're exactly what they're always like. They're bitchy 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: and a little bit crazy, and it's just I just 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: find it boring. It's very one dimensional. It is interesting 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: the women that they've chosen this year, because Matt, of course, 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: is a lovely guy, and it seems that maybe they've 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: had to choose these outrageous figures because they fear Matt 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: might get a bit boring by the end of it. 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: I disagree. 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I think that he's clearly the star of the show 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: this time. Whoever's picked as a bachelor, who is going 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: to determine whether ratings are good or not. I think, 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: even though it's transparent what they're trying to do this year, 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: I think they're right on the money with it. They're 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: choosing someone who women actually like. It's a very smart 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: guy who's actually looking for love this time around. He's 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: a bit of a dog, he's just so lovable. I 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: think it's a really clever move by Channel ten. Yeah, 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: but so no one's saying that they don't think he's good. 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: We're saying that the concept is old, So let's get 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: some hot guy and then have all these crazy women 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: fight over him. It's like, can't we portray the women 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: a bit better? I mean, he's an astrophysicist. Yeah, they've 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: got some smart women on there, but we're just degrading 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: them to the point where they're just having scrag fights 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: the whole time. Like I actually want to hear about 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: what they do. And I think that's a good thing 48 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: about the American series. You actually have the full video 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: where you see who these girls are, where they're from, 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: and that they actually genuinely seem to be in it 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: for love. I don't think I get that vibe with them. 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I just think they're all crazy stalkers that we all 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: think are pathetic and we're all laughing about it. I'm 54 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: not saying that the format's not got. I'm just saying 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: that Amy suggested that the reason that they're choosing at 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: these outrageous characters and Bachelor rec contestants is because Matt 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: is bland. Let's be honest, though, if you look at 58 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: the Americans series of The Bachelor, with Colton Coleton's you know, 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: really cute looking. Everyone loves him, but he is also 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: a bit like Matt. He's a bit one dimensional. He's hot, 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: but if you had to sit down and watch him 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: for two hours, he's a little bit boring. That's why 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you've got to add spice with the women. I'm not 64 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: saying Matt is a really boring guy, but I'm sure 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the astrophysicist thing is going to run a little bit dry. 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: And it looks like the Bachelors are trying to create sorry, 67 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the Bachelor producers trying to create all this drama to 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: keep us entertained. Well, I mean it was clear that 69 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: the astrophysicists thing was running dry in the first episode 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: when they had to use every pun about space. I 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: don't know if it pissed anyone else off. Yeah, so 72 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: I think we all agree that they got the casting 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: of the Bachelor right, but they've just, you know, then 74 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: surrounded him by bitchy women that you know that format's 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: worked before, but it's just not It's. 76 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: Just not exciting. 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I suppose the new thing that 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: they've done this season is introducing these intruders on episode two, 79 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: but I just didn't get it. It was almost like, oh, 80 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: we've got all these sad no Hoper stalkers in one area, 81 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: and then they add these very overtly sexual women in 82 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: stir the pot, and it's just like, I just don't 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: like any of them. I want a Georgia love I 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: know she was the Bachelorette, but I want someone that 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for to win, Like I don't want to 86 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: be just hating on everyone and thinking, oh, I totally agree. 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: We want a love story. 88 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: And that's what's fantastic about the US Bachelor because by 89 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: the end of it, I have to admit I'm nearly 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: crying at some of the proposals, and you just don't 91 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: feel that with the Australian one. 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: It seems fake. 93 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And as you're saying, the formula for it is let's 94 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: keep the audience entertained, because the Bachelor producers perceive us 95 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: as wanting these bitchy women to go on and then 96 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: the last week they're in love. But we've not seen 97 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: any of that love story. What is promising this year 98 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: is we are going to see a love story. The 99 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Bachelor producers have been very clever in the fact of 100 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: trying to remind us of all the beautiful love stories 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: that we have seen in the series. When I saw 102 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Anna and Tim meeting for the first in the little 103 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: promo video. To be honest, I got a bit nostalgic 104 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: looking at it because it was such a great series 105 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: and it's one that I suppose I'm hoping we experience 106 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: again this year. And that's what's so disappointing about the 107 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: first two episodes, is it we might get the love 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: story near the end, but we want it from the start. 109 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: Do you know what? 110 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: Was one thing that I didn't miss? That they didn't 111 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: do those Tachy and w photo shoots where they all 112 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: dress up as characters in the go. That was so 113 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: glad that was missing. But I mean I did fall 114 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: asleep in it, so I'm assuming that didn't happen. I'm 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: just trying to think what they would have dressed an 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: astrophysicist up at something overtly sexual. I can't really think, 117 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: what do you pawn star or something. It was interesting though, 118 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: because it did have great ratings. That had eight hundred 119 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: and twenty eight thousand viewers, which made it the most 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: viewed show in that time slot that night compared to 121 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: The Honey Badger and He kicked off the series with 122 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: nine hundred and forty thousand viewers. It was actually the 123 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: highest launch episode that the franchise has ever experienced, but 124 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: then again, it was the most dissa pointing finale. And 125 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: isn't that interesting to see that it's dropped off by 126 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: nearly one hundred thousand people? And is that the honey 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Badger effect? Have people switched off because they no longer. 128 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: Buy this love story? 129 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: From a ratings perspective, I think we've got to look 130 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: at the American series. I know we are og Bachelor fans. 131 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Sophie and I actually discovered the show. I remember what 132 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: We were twelve, and we were cleaning out our bedroom 133 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: and it was school holidays, and I think it was 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: probably about nine thirty at night and we were flicking 135 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: stations and we came across this show where there was 136 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: this guy sitting in a spa with ten girls, and 137 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: we were immediately hooked to the show. I just remember 138 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: it was just the biggest treat to watch it. So 139 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: that's old now, eighteen years ago, and that's crazy. I 140 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: remember in the episode that there was a vegetarian woman 141 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: and just to get the Bachelor's attention, she ate meat 142 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: from his hand, and. 143 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: God, oh yeah, I was gonna say, what was we 144 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: worrying where that was going. 145 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: The thing I loved about The Bachelor was, you know, 146 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: back in the day when we watched it as youngsters, 147 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: was that Mum would sit down and watch it with us. 148 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: You think that coming down and seeing her daughters watching 149 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: a man in the spa with eight women would probably 150 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: horrify her, but she's say, oh my god, girls, what 151 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: are you watching? Back to that, it's just it's never 152 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: gotten old, Like we still watch it with mum and 153 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: we still get excited about it, whereas I don't feel 154 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: like that. I've never felt like that with the Australian one. 155 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: It's always not quite right. And I think a big 156 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: part of that is I think we touched on it, 157 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: but it seems fake the Australian one, and I think 158 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: that's also a big part of it. And I'm interested 159 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. Is they don't do the fantasy suites. 160 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: That's kind of the best part. And for those who 161 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen The American Bachelor, the fantasy suite is when 162 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: you get down to the final four no sorry, but 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: the final three, and they usually take them away to 164 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: this beautiful exotic location and they have a full day 165 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: date and then at dinner, they get the choice whether 166 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: to for go their individual rooms or go. 167 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: To the fantasy suite. 168 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: Well, according to New Idea, we might be getting that. 169 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: A New Idea article has come out today saying that 170 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: a Bachelor insider claims that Matt had sex with a 171 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: contestant that he doesn't give the final rose to. Did 172 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: they say that was in a fantasy suite. They haven't 173 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: clarified whether it was a fantasy sweet situation, but they 174 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: did say that it happened on the set. Well, that's 175 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: odd because there's always been reports that it's so that 176 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: they don't even get alone time really with the Bachelor. 177 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: And it's quite interesting because I was listening to the 178 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: New Bachelor US podcast, which features Ali and Rachel, who 179 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: were the American bachelorettes, and I would highly recommend it. 180 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: It's amazing, And they were talking about their time as 181 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: bachelorettes and the fantasy suite dates specifically, and they were 182 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: saying that in Ali's series, the producers actually left them alone, 183 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: but in Rachel's, which was only a few years ago, 184 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: they were there the whole time. They stayed in another room. 185 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Spri me was they act like they're so in love 186 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: when they're in their fantasy sweet date. But she was 187 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: actually saying she was quite grossed out by this guy 188 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: and that she actually wanted to leave. 189 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually surprised me a lot. 190 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: And it does, you know, with just saying how the 191 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: American one is so much more real. But I was 192 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: just thinking about the timing of this news coming out 193 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: about Matt having sex with on the contestants. Does it 194 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: not scream of being fake and for publicity and trying 195 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: to spice it up a bit. I personally feel like 196 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: it seems something that's been leaked from the production team 197 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: to try and make him, you know, the good boy, 198 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: be a bit more of a bad boy. Maybe it's 199 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: like when suddenly a new idea gets a leak of 200 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: a pregnancy test at the Batchi mansion. 201 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: It's so fake. 202 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: Something that's been a bit of a hot topic is 203 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: Channel ten's portrayal of diversity. What do you guys think 204 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: about it this year? I think it's great that they've 205 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: tried to get a more diverse cast, but again, I 206 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: feel like they've missed the mark. It's almost like they 207 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: haven't really thought it through properly. They just think by 208 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: chucking in a couple of of different nationalities that they've 209 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: done their job, but the actual fact is it's kind 210 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: of come across. 211 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: As a little bit racist. 212 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: I definitely think the portrayal of Kristen, who is known 213 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: as the China Girl, is very problematic. She every time 214 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: she's on screen we have Chinese music playing. I mean, 215 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: did anyone else think it was odd that she one 216 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: gave him a fortune cookie and then continue to go 217 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: on about her box the whole time? Can we just 218 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: add that, for those who haven't actually seen it, this 219 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: girl is not actually Chinese. She's a white, blonde Australian 220 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: girl who speaks Mandarin fluently. And yeah, I was a 221 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: bit appalled by her suggestions about her box, like it 222 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: was just cringe. 223 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: And what's more. 224 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: Troubling about her portrayal on the show is they've only 225 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: ever had two Asian contestants. Now that was Judy, who 226 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't even remember from Tim Robard's series, and Vanessa's 227 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: sun Robart. 228 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: Isn't that his robarts. 229 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Rot? I's gonna say, and this, yeh, Vanessa Sunshine. What 230 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: I find a bit troubling also about it is if 231 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: so they think it's acceptable to make fun of this 232 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: girl because she likes China. But I'm like thinking, would 233 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: they put that music on for a Vanessa Sunshine, you 234 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? So the China Girl wasn't the 235 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: only one that had music attributed to her. We also 236 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: had the two Persian princesses that had Middle Eastern music playing. 237 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: And what was even weirder was that they were pitted 238 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: against each other. That was almost like the producers are saying, 239 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: we can only have one Persian princess. 240 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: So it was just bizarre. 241 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: An absolute favorite contestant her I think that everyone has 242 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: been celebrating is the kup. Now if you don't know 243 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: who I'm talking about, she has been compared to Tyra 244 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: Banks and she is the contestant that rolled the red 245 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: carpet out And when she left Matt she said to him, 246 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: once you go black, you never go back. 247 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: I must admit. 248 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: When I first saw her and she rolled out the 249 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: red carpet, I just thought it was a bit wanky. 250 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: But she does seem like a nice, strong, strong woman. 251 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: But I don't know. There was just something about bit cringe, like, oh, 252 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm a model. I'm a model, Amma model. But I 253 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: might be wrong. She might grow on me. I loved her. 254 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: Though She's been pretty popular on social media and across 255 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Facebook and people are making meme saying. 256 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: That she's a mood. 257 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: I just think she's fantastic. 258 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: I don't remember because I actually felt aslave well. 259 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: She She wasn't in the rose ceremony, which raised a 260 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: few eyebrows because she was unwell, so maybe you didn't 261 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: see her look, probably because the Rose ceremony stretches over 262 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: two days. I'm gonna put it out there if it 263 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: does not get better this week, I'm gonna be searching 264 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: for Hannah Bee's series on. 265 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: The internet because I heard that went off. 266 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but it 267 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: sounded even it was apparently more epic than Colton series. 268 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: That must be said. I'll leave it at that she's 269 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: not a virgin. 270 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: But well before Kate jumps ship and goes and watched 271 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: The US Bachelor, I thought we'd run through some of 272 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: the most entertaining headlines this week about Matt Agnew and 273 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: may I add. I don't know if anyone else is 274 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: feeling this, but Matt, do you know who he reminds 275 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: me of? Oh Gimber dr Alex from Love Island last year. 276 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I can see. 277 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: The similarities there, except he's actually got women interested in 278 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: him this time around. I loved Alex a little less 279 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 1: burnt than Alex, but anyway, that's because no one was 280 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: on Alex's intellectual level. 281 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: No are You're exactly right? He was definitely my favorite. 282 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: So the first headline is the Bachelor's Matt Adnew reveals 283 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: how many women he slept with. That was of course 284 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: on Kyle and Jackie. 285 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: O ho any was it? I haven't heard well. 286 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Kyle was shocked when Matt revealed he'd slept with seven women. 287 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: That makes me like him even more. He actually revealed 288 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: that was a question on the Bachelor application form, which 289 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. I wonder how many of the honey 290 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Badgers said, I'm just gonna make two points, Versie, how 291 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: old is he? 292 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 2: He's thirty one? Okay, cool and second night? I like that. 293 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: I think that's great. Can we talk about double standard? 294 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Would they have done this for the women? Oh? Yeah, 295 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: you can never imagine. Ali Otagin reveals how many men 296 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: she slept with. That would never be a headline if 297 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: he slept with seven girls? Were meant to believe this 298 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: new headline that's come out this week from the obviously 299 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: from the Bachelor producers that they've leaked saying that he 300 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: slept with someone on the show. 301 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: I mean ridiculous. 302 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: I heard as well that he had to ring his 303 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: mum up to apologize for the teaser of him making 304 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: out with girls on the beach, So it is quite 305 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: a jump for him to then be sleeping with contestant. 306 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: That was pretty over the top. I saw a photo 307 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: of it before and I was like, Oh. 308 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Did anyone see the teaser of him sitting in a 309 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: little bath tub covered in chocolate and the panned placement 310 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: of the I don't know which contestant it was, but 311 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: it was like they'd gone They know, they've gone back 312 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: to basics. They can't afford a massive bath tub that 313 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: they had Ritchie and Alex in, but they can afford 314 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: a little chocolate bucket. So the next earth shattering headline 315 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: was how tall is the Bachelor's Matt Angnew His exact 316 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: height revealed and then the leaders, yes, this is important. Well, 317 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how they rate that. How tall was he? 318 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: It says and his response was I'm six ' three 319 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: but six six on tinder. That actually shocks me that 320 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: he's six foot three. He doesn't look that tall. I 321 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: thought he looked quite tall anyway. I thought he'd be sure. 322 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: It's quite funny. 323 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: It seems like everyone is now obsessed with his appearance, 324 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: which is I suppose it's kind of refreshing because women 325 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: get it all the time, but this time they There 326 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: were a lot of articles that I saw popping up 327 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: on my newsfeed on social media about the before and 328 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: after of his social media pictures verse now what he's 329 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: looking like, and everyone's saying he looks a lot hotter. Now, 330 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's just a difference. Taking some glasses off 331 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: in a haircut makes not like he's had plastic surgery 332 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, the next headline is actually before and 333 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: after fans reckoned bachelor Matt Agnew has had quite the transformation. 334 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: So I find that a bit ridiculous because I'm looking 335 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: at his picture and it's basically he's taking his glasses 336 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: off and had a haircut. I don't know if people 337 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: are gonna hate me for saying this, but if anyone's 338 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: seen the sein Felt episode where there's the two face, 339 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: remember the woman that Gerry dates and at the coffee shop, 340 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: she looks good in the particular light, and then she 341 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: looks a bit different in the other light. And not 342 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: saying he looks bad, I actually think he looked great. 343 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: In some lights he looks a bit geeky, and then 344 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: others he looks like a model. 345 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: So essentially, when we look. 346 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: At the before and after, it's literally a haircut, taking 347 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: his glasses off, and he's wearing a suit. It's not 348 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: like he's had plastic surgery or botox in his head 349 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: like a lot of the bachelorette contestants. 350 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: Is he the only non stripper we've had as a. 351 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: Bachelor, so we've had Tim Robard's, Blake Garvey. 352 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: Sam Wood? Was he a stripper as well? 353 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, I know he's got a hot bod, so I 354 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: don't sorry, don't you mean topless waiter? So we're going 355 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: to retract that statement. Sorry Sam, but you do have 356 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: a hot body, but you were not a stripper. I 357 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: swear there were more who were strippers hanging, but who. 358 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: Was after Sam Wood? 359 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: There's other I think they're just other bachelor contestants in Sorry, 360 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: bachelorete contents might be confusing, As you say, my topless 361 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: waiters like Anton from Love Island into this mix. Well, 362 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: let's just put it out there. We've never had an 363 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: astrophysicist before, so yeah, slightly better than a stripper. Maddy 364 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: Jay wasn't a stripper. 365 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: That's another one. Here's in marketing job. 366 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: That's funny you say that because now he is a 367 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: stupor he was on that stupid course for wanty oh. 368 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: I actually think we were raising money for a good cause. 369 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: Actually we're not really complaining about that. Why not we 370 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Let's just say he definitely hasn't got a dad bod yet, 371 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: but we'll keep you posted on how that one goes. Well. 372 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 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