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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, an influencer becomes an unwilling

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Speaker 1: poster girl for bloating tablets. Madison Woolly addresses her boyfriend's

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Speaker 1: famous past relationship, Tammy Hembro throwshade at Matt Paul's new girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: and the Kardashian Sisters feud over who is the copycat. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert,

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Speaker 1: and I have to put an apology out there to

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Speaker 1: Taylor Laudner. I'm sure he's not listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but I did say on Tuesday's episode that he was

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Speaker 1: a foot shorter than Taylor's a head shorter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a head shorter.

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Speaker 1: And this was because unbeknownst to me, I was seeing

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Speaker 1: a very skewed perspective of him on TikTok. He is

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Speaker 1: a short king, but he's not that short. So he

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Speaker 1: is five foot eight to all five foot six. There

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Speaker 1: was varying degrees. I said, no, it said five foot

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Speaker 1: eight to five ten. It's unlike Sophie to embellish something

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Speaker 1: though was a very unlikely, But I mean in saying

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Speaker 1: that Taylor Swift is still five to ten, so she

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Speaker 1: is still taller, but from this video, he looked like

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Speaker 1: an ant standing next to There's nothing wrong with having

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Speaker 1: a high difference between a man and a woman. It's

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Speaker 1: just I think you were surprised because I think with

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Speaker 1: movie stars you always think that they're taller than they are,

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Speaker 1: not shorter.

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Speaker 2: But he definitely is a short king. He is hot.

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Speaker 1: I have been getting into a bit of TikTok of

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Speaker 1: him back in the day. I mean, he's still a

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Speaker 1: very good looking guy. It's pretty funny because off the

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Speaker 1: back of this reunion with Taylor Swift on stage last week,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Lautner has continued to shock fans, this time by

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Speaker 1: revealing that everyone has been pronouncing his surname wrong. So

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Speaker 1: to be fair, he did try and spread the word

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two during an E News interview

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Speaker 1: and in the video he introduced himself with the correct

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Speaker 1: pronunciation of his surname, which did gain a bit of traction. However,

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Speaker 1: since he's been on stage with Taylor last week, everyone's

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Speaker 1: interested in him again, so this video has gone viral.

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Speaker 1: So he was in an interview on a podcast and

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Speaker 1: he reminded fans how to actually say his name. I

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Speaker 1: think I'll let Taylor answer the question for you.

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Speaker 3: It is technically Lautner. What it is my fault. Nobody

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Speaker 3: knows how it's actually pronounced, because I never corrected anybody

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Speaker 3: nover decades. I'm just never in interviews or anything. Stop

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Speaker 3: somebody said, it's not Latner, it's Lautner. Just go with whatever.

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Speaker 4: It's fine.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: It's like tomatoes, strata.

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Speaker 3: Latner, Latner, Loutner, it's not the same thing.

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Speaker 2: That name sounds very German to me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Lautner is the sort of movie star

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for someone.

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Speaker 1: Who has a German last name and that it's difficult

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Speaker 1: to pronounce. I did feel really bad for him because

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Speaker 1: can you imagine becoming like a grade celebrity, famous, and

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Speaker 1: then everyone pronounces your name incorrectly and it gets to

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Speaker 1: a point where you can't say anything because everyone knows

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Speaker 1: you as the wrong name.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: It just reminds you of all those times where your

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Speaker 1: name has been incorrectly pronounced and you just go with it.

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Speaker 1: It's like also when people say a different variation of

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Speaker 1: a word and you're like, do I.

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Speaker 2: Repeat that same wrong pronunciation back.

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Speaker 1: You just die inside when someone says your last name wrong,

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Speaker 1: don't you like you can just see we have a

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Speaker 1: client and she always says this guy who's.

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Speaker 2: Quite high profile's name incorrectly, and.

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Speaker 1: It's always when she's introducing him on stage and his

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Speaker 1: face is just the other day, I was on the

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Speaker 1: phone and someone called me Kate Tuba and I just

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Speaker 1: had flashbacks to primary school because we used to get.

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Speaker 2: Tuba towber Teuber.

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Speaker 1: Were you embarrassed to share that you got back with

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Speaker 1: John after a public break up. Madison Willy has revealed

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Speaker 1: more details about her move to Noosa So The Influencer

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Speaker 1: revealed recently that she's moving back in with her parents

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Speaker 1: So last time we spoke about it, we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of unanswered questions, which Madison has kindly now answered

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Speaker 2: Of her podcast Do You Get the Vibe?

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Speaker 1: She listened to this episode and was like, shit, I

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Speaker 1: better actually acknowledge some of these. Of course, they were

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Speaker 1: doing it under the guise of they had this challenge

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Speaker 1: called spill your guts or Feel your Guts which was

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Speaker 1: taken from one of the late shows. It was actually

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Speaker 1: a very good concept and they were saying that people

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Speaker 1: are sent the question in However, I think some of

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Speaker 1: the questions were planted, because I think they were using

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Speaker 1: some of them as a bit of a click bait. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: she did reiterate in this podcast the movie is only temporary,

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Speaker 1: so she hopes that it's going to be only two

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Speaker 1: months now. Caitlin didn't seem too happy about it though,

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Speaker 1: so she joked that she's.

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Speaker 2: Freaking out about it and is mad. But I do

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Speaker 2: feel like even though she was joking, there seems to

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Speaker 1: Well, you know when they go, oh, we'll make it work,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna fly back every week, and it never happens,

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Speaker 1: and they always have so many technical difficulties with their podcasts,

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Speaker 1: even when they're recording in the same room. Well, she

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Speaker 1: did say that she would be flying back and forth

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Speaker 1: from NUSA to Sydney to actually record, but that's a

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Speaker 1: very costly exercise and I want to know how lucrative.

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Speaker 2: Their podcast is for them to be doing that.

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Speaker 1: They did announce that they hit one million downloads, which

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Speaker 1: really surprised me. The biggest news I thought was the

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Speaker 1: fact that she said that Jonathan is going to be

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Speaker 1: moving to NUSA with her for those two months, so

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Speaker 1: she described it as an extended vacation together, which I

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Speaker 1: think is putting a bit of mayo on it. It's

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Speaker 1: so clear that her parents must be on a European holiday,

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Speaker 1: as you suggested, because it seems like they must have

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Speaker 1: this luxurious house in NUSA to themselves. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 1: be happy to come along to that house. Why don't

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Speaker 1: they move Caitlyn into the house as well. It was

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting because they did touch on how wealthy Madison's

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Speaker 1: parents worked in the podcast, and they were saying how

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Speaker 1: there was a question about I think she recently went

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Speaker 1: somewhere in America that was really expensive. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the location, but someone asked if her parents pay for

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Speaker 1: the trip, which she said yes they did, and then

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Speaker 1: Caitlyn revealed that Madison's parents had taken her to the

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Speaker 1: Maldives with Madison. What do you guys think about parents

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Speaker 1: when you're an adult actually paying for your trip?

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Speaker 2: Is this a ya or a definitely go with Mum

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Speaker 2: and dad wanted to take me on a trip.

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Speaker 1: I think it's definitely the definition of privilege to have

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Speaker 1: can definitely see why it gets some people off side.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think it's a little bit embarrassing for

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Souer at the age of thirty to be moving

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Speaker 1: in with his girlfriend's parents. No, not really, because he's

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Speaker 1: moving there to be with Madison.

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Speaker 2: He's moving there to actually make their relationship.

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Speaker 1: But it's an unusual situation where someone in their thirties

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Speaker 1: can just drop everything to move into state. I think

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Speaker 1: with the cost of living crisis, we're going to see

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Speaker 1: this happening a lot more on people having to move

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Speaker 1: back in with their parents. I don't think that that

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Speaker 1: influences moving back in with their millionaire parents. Yeah. On

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Speaker 1: the topic of Jonathan, a very juicy question came up,

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Speaker 1: so Madison was asked if Jonathan ever speaks about his

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Speaker 1: relationship with Shanni Grimmond and how it makes her feel now.

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Speaker 1: They didn't name Shanni, they referred to it as his

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Speaker 2: It seemed like they.

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Speaker 1: Were using Shanny for downloads though, well, what does she say?

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Speaker 2: How is she bothered? By it well, it seemed very polished.

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Speaker 1: She said that Jonathan doesn't often speak about Shanny, but

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Speaker 1: occasionally she may come up if they're talking about a

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Speaker 1: past experience. For example, it came up in conversation that

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Speaker 1: they went to the Maldives together, and she then finished

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Speaker 1: up by saying that Jonathan speaks very highly of Shanny

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Speaker 1: Shanni and Jonathan and their relationship would be a sort

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Speaker 1: of sensitive point for her because even when we interviewed

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Speaker 1: Jonathan like four years ago as part of our podcast,

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Speaker 1: he kindly gave up his time to be on there,

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Speaker 1: and we promoed the episode as he was revealing something

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Speaker 1: about his relationship with Shani or touching on her, and

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Speaker 1: this is when he started his relationship with Madison and

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Speaker 1: wasn't happy about it, and.

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Speaker 2: She was not happy.

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Speaker 1: We got a very angry message from Jonathan saying that

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Speaker 2: Four years on, it's only okay for her to use

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Speaker 2: it for clickbait for her own podcast, Good Morning Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's not my day with some meditation or movement

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Speaker 2: I was still treated to a really beautiful sunrise.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hambro's ex fiance Matt Paul has hard launched his

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Speaker 1: him and his mystery girl, Maddie Woodward to his Instagram story. Now, Kate,

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Speaker 1: when do we know about Maddie? Well, not a lot,

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Speaker 1: on social media, influencer updates Au pointed out a similarity

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Speaker 1: with their posting so On the same day, Tammy urged

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Speaker 1: shared a photo of her and a bikini at the

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Speaker 1: But should probably book that skin check. Surely this is

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit strange.

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Speaker 2: It is definitely odd.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that there's similar behavior to what London

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Speaker 2: Ocasing last time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Maddie is some superfan that was saying

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Speaker 1: that they loved Matt and Tammy as a couple. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like Tammy is on her radar, which of

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Speaker 1: course she would be. Some people think though, that Tammy

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Speaker 1: has thrown shade at this relationship announcement. So she's currently

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Speaker 1: holiday in Europe with her family, and she shared a

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Speaker 1: TikTok video of her and a sister Ava on a

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Speaker 1: balcony miming to this.

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Speaker 5: One night how take can walk along the river, So

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Speaker 5: we get the young girl come.

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Speaker 3: The look that he gave her made a sever because

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Speaker 3: he always used to.

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Speaker 4: That way.

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Speaker 1: You gotta remember, though, this isn't just an X. This

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Speaker 1: is an X that she has a child and also

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Speaker 1: an ex fiance. I kept thinking about that stunning ring

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Speaker 1: that she had, because that engagement was beautiful. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: on marketplace right now, Oh I could snap it up

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Speaker 1: from a bargain, or maybe she did the flush down

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Speaker 2: But what's unique. Everything's on Instagram, everything's on Pinterest.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's copying each other. Aren't you the one copying some

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Speaker 1: in pain, and she now has a community of eight

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Speaker 1: thousand people. Now, Chelsea had no idea that she was

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Speaker 1: the unwilling poster girl for a company called Avira. Now,

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Speaker 1: Avira is a very popular women's health brand. They have

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Speaker 1: and five point seven million followers on TikTok. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of Australian influencers who promote Avira, and it really

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Speaker 1: shocked me that such a large brand was getting involved

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Speaker 1: with something like that. So Avira sells women's health products,

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Speaker 1: so it includes those electronic devices that claim to relieve

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Speaker 1: bloating pills. So did they just lift these photos and

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Speaker 1: videos fromund TikTok for the marketing campaign. Well, basically they

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Speaker 1: had fixed her chronic condition by using these bloating tablets.

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Speaker 1: So they used videos and photos in the ad which

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Speaker 1: they took off her TikTok, and they accompanied it with

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Speaker 1: text that said, how I took my chronically bloated belly

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Speaker 1: It then had another caption that said this anti bloating

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Speaker 1: vitamin from the brand of Vera was the one that

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Speaker 1: worked for me, and if you want your dream body,

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Speaker 1: head over to a via dot com. Now, the absolute

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Speaker 1: kicker is that Chelsea has never ever used these products before.

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Speaker 1: She's never been approached by the brand. She had no

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Speaker 1: idea this was happening until one of her German followers alerted.

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Speaker 2: Her to us. So was the ad campaign in Germany

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Speaker 2: or no, it was all around Australia.

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Speaker 1: That's the other really arrogant thing from this brand. They

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Speaker 1: assume that Chelsea would hear about it, particularly when you

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Speaker 1: think about the algorithm.

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Speaker 2: On social media. Clearly she's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Her bloating all the time, she has a community of

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Speaker 1: people interested in it.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious that that sort of content is going

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Speaker 1: I have heard how basically you have no rights when

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Speaker 1: your photos on for marketing purposes.

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Speaker 2: But in this instance, this is.

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Speaker 1: Just so wrong because not only are they using her

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Speaker 1: image without her consent, but they're also making up a

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Speaker 1: false narrative about her using this product. Well its fraudulent

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Speaker 1: claims if she hasn't actually used the product. Now, the

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Speaker 1: ABC has been very instrumental in helping Chelsea tell her

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Speaker 1: story and shine a light on what's been happening. But

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Speaker 1: before the media coverage, Chelsea hit out on social media

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Speaker 1: calling out the brand.

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Speaker 2: Here's a snippet of what she said.

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Speaker 5: My severe chronic bloating has been for the last four

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Speaker 5: plus years. Your magic pill did not fix me. I

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Speaker 5: have had to undergo surgery in order to be fixed.

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Speaker 5: The fact that this had to go through a team

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Speaker 5: full of people in order to be posted and approved.

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Speaker 5: Blows my mind. How many inconsiderate and insensitive people are there.

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Speaker 5: If you can't reply to me on Instagram, if you

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Speaker 5: don't have the decency to apologize and maybe explain your actions,

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Speaker 5: even though there are no excuses for what you have done,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to call you out and I'm going to

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Speaker 5: make everyone realize how much of a scam your company is.

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Speaker 1: Now her video has had half a million views, and

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Speaker 1: as someone who's only twenty one, I think she did

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Speaker 1: a fantastic job of articulating herself and calling out this

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Speaker 1: absolute false advertising. Chelsea also explained in her video that

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Speaker 1: she reached out to Avira on Instagram and.

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Speaker 2: They viewed the message, but never.

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Speaker 1: Required and shockingly, Chelsea ended up having her account temporarily

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Speaker 1: banned by TikTok due to this call out video. I mean,

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Speaker 1: thankfully it's been restored. But you think that the brand

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Speaker 1: who is actually using her content without her permission and

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Speaker 1: making these false claims is the one that should be

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Speaker 1: banned actually taken the videos down yet in response, I'm

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Speaker 1: not quite sure. I mean, they haven't put out any

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Speaker 1: statement at the moment. As Kate said, Chelsea did reach

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Speaker 1: out to them. They have not replied despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that they have viewed the message, And I just think

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Speaker 1: it's appalling that a large company like this, which prides

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Speaker 1: itself on empowering women, can allegedly lift someone's content. I

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Speaker 1: just don't understand because if she's an expert in this

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Speaker 1: field and it's got to own following off the back

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Speaker 1: of sharing her advice around bloating, why wouldn't this brand

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Speaker 1: just reach out and want to work with her, And

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Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm sure she ever got following of

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Speaker 1: eight thousand, I'm sure she wouldn't be asking for megabucks.

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Speaker 1: It is very ironic that this brand promotes itself as

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Speaker 1: being backed by science, but then they don't have case

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Speaker 1: studies that they feel comfortable using and they'd rather lift

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Speaker 1: results from someone who's had surgery. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: all we've got time for today. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: for another episode of Outspoken. If you do want to

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Speaker 1: We dropped our series on Michael Finch, which was very popular.

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Speaker 1: People were loving on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: They really were.

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Speaker 1: When this episode was recorded on the traditional land of

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Speaker 1: the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect

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Speaker 1: to elders past and present,