1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is Kesier Puric, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: the Independent member for Goiter and the former Speaker of 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly. Good morning, Kezier. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning Katie. 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: It's all go Cheezer, it's all happening this morning. Firstly, 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Michael Murphy being named as 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: the next Northern Territory Police Commissioner and CEO of Fire 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: and Emergency Services. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a very good appointment, you know. 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: Last finally the government's done something decent and appointed someone 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: who I believe is fit to the job. I've written 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: to Commissioner Murphy as he is now about two or 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: three weeks ago now about speaking that school based constable program. 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Haven't heard a fuller reply yet, have had acknowledgment. So 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 2: now that he's in situ, I'll be writing again saying, right, 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: it's been four or five weeks since my letter. Now 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: let's talk seriously about you know, looking at this kind 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: of program because we know you have good results. So yeah, 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: good on him and some congratulations to him. 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: Well, Kezier, let us know if you do hear back 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: about those those constables, you'll be keen to find out 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: more and talk further about it. Now. We spoke to 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Samara Lavity earlier this morning about the petition that's got 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: more than twenty six thousand signatures. You and I spoke 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: about it earlier in the week. Now the Chief Minister, 26 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: I've now got confirmation from her office that the Chief 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Minister has written to Lea Finocchio, the opposition leader, saying 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: she will be suspending standing orders on Tuesday morning to 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: discuss the petition. Now, so I guess that means that 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: it is bipartisan. It's going to be a bipartisan discussion. 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Will that mean that it goes for longer than sixteen 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: minutes from your perspective, My understanding is that it's going 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: to have to happen really for longer than sixteen minutes, Well. 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: Not necessarily. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: So. 36 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: All the Chief Minister's office and the Chief Minister has 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: said to you is they are prepared to support the 38 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: suspension of standing orders. Now, the suspension of standing orders, 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: as I've said before, is basically just pushing the rule 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: book to the side so you can debate the sufficient 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: the petition first up on Tuesday rather than some other 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: time during the week. So unless the suspension of the 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: standing orders includes words to the effects, we suspend standing 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: orders to debate it now, plus we suspend the relevant 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: standing orders to allow us to debate it in full 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: and with no time limits. That will be the test, Katie. 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: And she didn't actually say that from what you've read. 48 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: She just said SULL agreed to suspend the standing orders, 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: which means they've agreed to allow the debate to proceed 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: at a time other than when it normally would be debated. 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: And look, we did ask Kate Warden about this. She 52 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: joined us on the show about fifteen minutes ago and 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: we asked her about this. She said that, well, she 54 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: wanted to speak on this, on this, and she said 55 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: that she did want there to be adequate time. From 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: what I can gather, Kate was saying that they are 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: still determining who's going to speak on this from labor, 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: but surely, surely it's going to have to go along 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: then sixteen minutes. So I mean, well, if you look 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: at who wants to talk, it's going. 61 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 2: To have to okay yet because sixteen minutes, but that's 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: what that's the global time. But it's three minutes per person, oh, 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: three minutes, three minutes, you just start to say thank you, 64 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: mister speaker. You know, I'm happy to talk to this 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: petition and this is the reasons why you're three minutes 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: is gone, so you know, sixteen minutes global, So that 67 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: doesn't allow much speaking from individual members, particularly the opposition 68 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: who are pushing this issue. And as long as you know, 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: people like myself and you know Robin Lamley and Mark Turner, etcetera, etcetera. 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, so the test will be are they suspending 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: standing orders to allow it to happen when it's not 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: normally happens, or are they doing suspending it plus allowing 73 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: a longer debate than the sixteen minutes? All right, so 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: it does sound they'll be like two parts to two 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: parts to the motion to suspend the standing order. So 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: that's probably the class if you're speaking to the chief 77 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: and this is office. That's the clarity that I think 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: members will want, and it's also the clarity that people, 79 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: including Missus Levity, you want to hear for more than 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 2: just a couple of government members saying, oh, very sad 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: that you're lost and then sit down. It's got to 82 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: be more than that spot. They've got to affect change 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: how are they going on change some other young person 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: doesn't lose their life as the way that this young 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: fellow did. 86 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the really important thing here as 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: well is that, you know, while Samara has been leading 88 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: this petition, this is also a lot of people who 89 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: are really upset with the current state of play when 90 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: you talk about crime across the Northern Territory and their 91 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: own personal safety. 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and a lot of people have been traumatized 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: by crime. You know, they might not have lost their life, 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: but jeez, you know, but probably been set back bloody years. 95 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: It's not decades, you know, with some of the things 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: that have happened to them. You know, young people get 97 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: beaten up. You know, young people you know, been traumatized 98 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: and you know, robbed and stealed and old ladies having 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: their purses ripped from them. You know, that's kind of 100 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: stuck and traumatized people as well. And that's you know, 101 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: murder is just at the pinnacle of the worst thing 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: in our society, but you know, there's a lot of 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: other bad things that are happening that are traumatizing people, 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: and that's what we've got to address. 105 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, you're spot on, well, Kezier, I always appreciate 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: your time. Tell that rooster to keep it down hard. 107 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: What's his name? 108 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: Into it? Pot going into it very soon. Ah, come on, 109 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: you got there, Katie got there. 110 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: It took me a while, but I finally got there. 111 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: And when I did, he's very cheeky. He's very noisy. 112 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kezy, thanks so much for your time.