Speaker 1: Kid a Pete Helly here, welcome to you ain't seen
Speaker 1: nothing yet the movie podcast where I chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover, but a classic god beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest
Speaker 1: comedian Alex Ward, all below.
Speaker 2: I want to stay here with you, gay little jobber?
Speaker 2: Why hate snake shucked my hail?
Speaker 1: They couldn't haven't any right now?
Speaker 2: You ain't seen nothing year.
Speaker 1: I've done Alex Ward for over a decade now time
Speaker 1: flys when you're having fun. Alex has been killing under
Speaker 1: stand up scene around the cities and states of Australia
Speaker 1: for over ten years, but it's been the last couple
Speaker 1: of years it's really seen her trajectory get steeper and
Speaker 1: step as she rises and rises. Her ascent to right
Speaker 1: at the top of the comedy tree has been very
Speaker 1: impressive on stage. Alex is like dry pan. Her jokes
Speaker 1: are brilliantly written, but she's very warm on stage despite
Speaker 1: being a lower energy than some comedians that you may
Speaker 1: have seen. I've known Alex because not only do they
Speaker 1: kill it on stage, we've worked many times at clubs
Speaker 1: and theaters around the country, but also Alex writes for
Speaker 1: the project and has for many years. And I could
Speaker 1: tell you that I was the beneficiary of some of
Speaker 1: Alex's great gags. Whenever I saw a great gag, I
Speaker 1: would know which one Alex had written. She also you
Speaker 1: would know her from Have you been paying Attentions? Absolutely
Speaker 1: killing it on that from the Melbourne Comedy Festival Gala,
Speaker 1: The Upfront Gala's tonightly Tom Ballard. She's a Queensland. There's
Speaker 1: something going on in Queensland. There's something going on. Alex
Speaker 1: is smart, funny and I'm bloody start to be hanging
Speaker 1: with them today.
Speaker 2: Hello. My name is Alex Ward. My favorite three movies
Speaker 2: are e t oh, oh my god.
Speaker 3: He's talking. Oh et.
Speaker 2: Et oh, get out.
Speaker 1: I don't answer to anyone right, oh no. Sometimes there's
Speaker 1: too many white people are getting nervous, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 3: No no no, no no no.
Speaker 2: And the wedding singer that time.
Speaker 1: In Puerto Rico when we picked up those two. Uh
Speaker 1: they were prostitute, but I don't remember days.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about how about that.
Speaker 1: I'm a person too, Bob, goddamn it, I'm a person too.
Speaker 2: You're a moore and up until last night, I had
Speaker 2: not seen the movie Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 1: Yes, there are boiler rooms, creepy addicts, alleyways at nighttime,
Speaker 1: empty school hallways. In Where's Cravings nineteen eighty four horror
Speaker 1: classic A Nightmare on Elm Street, Tina is having nightmares
Speaker 1: featuring a great grotesque sweater wearing Fredora Loving Raise, a
Speaker 1: claude character by the name of Freddy Krueger or fred
Speaker 1: Krueger initially, Yes, this is the movie that gave us
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable and perhaps parodied villains of
Speaker 1: all time, a former sex offender now a barbecued freak show.
Speaker 1: Think of Freddy Krueger as Edwards sisor hands evil twin
Speaker 1: Freddie and Eddie. Instead of using his claws the trim hedges,
Speaker 1: Freddy uses them to slice and dice American teenagers. Once
Speaker 1: Tina is murdered in her sleep, it begins a chain
Speaker 1: of murders that, despite their strange nature, the adults and
Speaker 1: authorities are loath to believe that anything supernatural is actually
Speaker 1: going on. When Kruger begins targeting Nancy, he may have chosen,
Speaker 1: though the wrong victim. Made from a modest budget of
Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars over thirty two days, and
Speaker 1: only fifty seven thousand of it dedicated to the special effects.
Speaker 1: A Nightmare on Elm Street sits high in the horror landscape.
Speaker 1: It is both a product of its influences and a
Speaker 1: huge influence on those that After a huge franchise spawning
Speaker 1: nine films and a twenty ten reboot, A Nightmare on
Speaker 1: Elm Street cannot be ignored. It's also the film debut
Speaker 1: of mister Johnny Depp Alex Ward. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: French kissed by a landline telephone?
Speaker 2: Only in my dreams, and they're not nightmares. I can
Speaker 2: tell you that I wished, honestly, when I was at
Speaker 2: the age where like the most I could muster was
Speaker 2: a phone called in my crush, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: would have been, like, if you could just stick your
Speaker 2: tongue through this thing, I would be in heaven without
Speaker 2: actually having to look you in the eyes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have many I have many years on you.
Speaker 1: So even that was the side of a landline phone
Speaker 1: kind of freaky enough in itself.
Speaker 2: Not quite. I'm older than you'd think, and I did
Speaker 2: have a landline growing.
Speaker 1: I did have a landline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a fax machine and landline, so I
Speaker 2: did live through that world. I was definitely the millennial
Speaker 2: that saw both. Like I remember discovering the computer, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't that wasn't, you know, too shocking to me
Speaker 2: seeing the landline. The tongue that comes out of that
Speaker 2: phone is incredible. It is probably the fakest moment in
Speaker 2: the whole movie. I would say that tongue because some
Speaker 2: of the other stuff I was quite impressed by.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, a pretty well load bunch of
Speaker 1: the entire movie and a pretty low budget dedicated the
Speaker 1: special effects. I think they do a wonderful job. We
Speaker 1: won't get too much into the weeds for a Nightmare
Speaker 1: on Elm Street. But some people were loath to watch
Speaker 1: horror films, both for in their own time or for
Speaker 1: a podcast where do you sit?
Speaker 3: Love it?
Speaker 2: Love it? I actually love it. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: that about myself growing up. I did pick I Sorry,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say a pick I started a bit earlier,
Speaker 2: scared myself. Someone shouldn't have let me watch Urban Legend,
Speaker 2: which is quite a terrible horror movie that came out
Speaker 2: in somewhere around the two thousands. I think it was
Speaker 2: actually New Year's Eve. The parents were on the balcony
Speaker 2: so weren't watching me, and I got a little sneak
Speaker 2: in to watch Urban Legend and then had nightmares for
Speaker 2: a good six months.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I suspect you're not alone in watching something
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have been allowed to watch on Year's Eve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, maybe a lot of kids
Speaker 1: down in the rumper's room while the parents are on
Speaker 1: the balcony or in the living area enjoying drinks or
Speaker 1: out at the neighbor's house, take the opportunity a lot
Speaker 1: of the neighbors to watch a horror film, yeah, or porno,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: One of my experiences was turning on SBS and that
Speaker 2: was the first time it's in the same sex relationship,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what is happening here? These two
Speaker 2: men are very angry at each other. I've been thinking that.
Speaker 2: But I was also another barbecue. That was it. Those
Speaker 2: are my two experiences. I was like, a barbecue at
Speaker 2: the neighbors or something. Yeah, yeah, But I mean, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with me. I only try to make a
Speaker 2: career and stand up comedy. The sickest thing you can do.
Speaker 1: So, okay, so you like you're up for horror now.
Speaker 2: I'm very much up for it. I struggle to find
Speaker 2: people who will watch them with me. Yes, that's my
Speaker 2: main issue. So I do end up seeing movies alone,
Speaker 2: like I saw Hereditary alone at the cinema.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd ever go to watch a horror
Speaker 1: film by myself. Stephen Gates gatesy from Tripod, been on
Speaker 1: this podcast before one of my very good man's. We
Speaker 1: often would go on a date night to watch horror
Speaker 1: movies together. I need that comfort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my partner absolutely zero will not will not like
Speaker 2: it's not even can't even fathom the idea of that.
Speaker 2: It would ruin our lives anyway. I'd have to stay
Speaker 2: up all night charting or something ridiculous. And even a
Speaker 2: lot of friends. I struggle to find friends that even
Speaker 2: the most you know, stereotypical masculine guys will not that
Speaker 2: I'm friends with, will not watch horror with me.
Speaker 1: So how did you watch this one?
Speaker 2: This one? I just watched in the land room. I
Speaker 2: was home, you know, home alone. I watched in the
Speaker 2: lound room. I did go in thinking because it was older,
Speaker 2: it might be less scary. For anyway. But I mean
Speaker 2: I but I survive the scariness, as in, even if
Speaker 2: I'm scared, I know I'll be okay when it ends.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Some people take that with them, whereas
Speaker 2: I'm quite good at being like, okay, once this ends,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll have one thought at night in the dark,
Speaker 2: like but like I'm yea. Also horror, in particular thriller
Speaker 2: I find more disturbing because it's more realistic, whereas horror
Speaker 2: I'm able to switch off, yeah my brain and be
Speaker 2: like that would never happen.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very good point. Yeah, I always
Speaker 1: at times will remind myself on watching a movie just
Speaker 1: like this is a movie, and this one I must say,
Speaker 1: we won't getting too I want to talk with your
Speaker 1: three favorite films, but this one was a little bit
Speaker 1: easy to remind yourself it was a movie because there
Speaker 1: were a lot of things going on. It was made
Speaker 1: nine eighty four. There are things that just clearly reminded
Speaker 1: you it was a movie, and all these tropes that
Speaker 1: I don't know horror enough to know what tropes were
Speaker 1: born in this movie or what came before I know
Speaker 1: the excess. There are influences you can See Here and
Speaker 1: The Shining as well. But yeah, it'd be interesting to
Speaker 1: get into that very soon. A lots to talk about
Speaker 1: about a nightmare on Elm Street. Your three favorite films
Speaker 1: are films that two of the No, two of them
Speaker 1: we have discussed. Actually et we did with Ben Lomas,
Speaker 1: you know, very early on in You Ain't See Nothing
Speaker 1: Yet Get Out, we did Matt Preston, and the wedding scene.
Speaker 1: We haven't done yet, but it's come up as people's
Speaker 1: favorite films a few times.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's as I felt shameful I
Speaker 2: was saying it, but.
Speaker 1: No, it's safe space. It's a safe space.
Speaker 2: There's something about that movie that is just oh, like
Speaker 2: I've watched it so many times. To me, was so funny,
Speaker 2: so heartfelt. It was a world when I was growing up.
Speaker 2: When I watched it, I hadn't seen the I was
Speaker 2: born in eighty nine, so I was the end of
Speaker 2: the eighties, so I hadn't really seen the eighties, So
Speaker 2: it was a world I hadn't really seen. I'm just
Speaker 2: and I think genuinely the morals in that movie are great,
Speaker 2: but it's also just so funny. It's got great music,
Speaker 2: and I loved it.
Speaker 1: It's funny and Adam Sandler and Drew Barrymore, you know,
Speaker 1: so watchable. Yeah, and it's a good story and it's
Speaker 1: like they're the best kind of Adam Sandler films. I
Speaker 1: know it's one of his biggest ones, so I'm not
Speaker 1: saying anything controversial, but I like it when he's in
Speaker 1: that world. I think the wedding Singer and often it's
Speaker 1: with Drew Barrymore. I think fifty First Dates is one
Speaker 1: of his.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for me it was very because I know,
Speaker 2: I said, I you on the podcast, you put me
Speaker 2: on the spot because you'd forgotten to mention to pick these.
Speaker 2: But it was very hard for me to pick between
Speaker 2: the Wedding Singer and Big Daddy because I also think
Speaker 2: right Daddy is right up there in terms of his
Speaker 2: quality work.
Speaker 1: Yes, for me, yeah, I would say the other one
Speaker 1: would be Happy Gilmore. Which there's rumors that Adam Sandler's
Speaker 1: talking about a sequel that I.
Speaker 2: Just read today, whoa so probly big that it.
Speaker 1: Could be huge. Sadly Carl Weathers won't be there, he
Speaker 1: pass away.
Speaker 2: It's a big political commentary. It's Saudi Arabian. It's like, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Would love to see almost like a mockumentary based on
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler's trying to get Happy Gil or two up,
Speaker 1: but making it political.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing thing to watch. Yeah, I like,
Speaker 1: I love Adam Sandler and I do love it. What
Speaker 1: have you made of his dramatic jaunts when he's gone
Speaker 1: into have you seen uncut Gems.
Speaker 2: Or I've done? I think like it's just a to me,
Speaker 2: it's a testament to his creativity and how good he
Speaker 2: Like often you know, comedians are just the funny one,
Speaker 2: but it's like a lot of work goes into it,
Speaker 2: and you can see that when he applies the work
Speaker 2: anywhere else, it's almost as good. Particularly, Yeah, Uncut in particular,
Speaker 2: I thought, really, I really enjoyed that movie.
Speaker 1: That was a tense movie.
Speaker 2: That was more upsetting than any horror film I've ever
Speaker 2: That sort of tension actually is what really boils up
Speaker 2: for you, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you got to feel it. Like often horror
Speaker 1: films there's a jump scares, you know, and some people
Speaker 1: think they're cheats and whatever, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: they had a fun part of horror films they have
Speaker 1: those little jump scares and then you might have a
Speaker 1: moment of feelings and tension. But a movie like Uncut
Speaker 1: Gems was tense the entire time. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the tensest films I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's going up against movies that are like
Speaker 2: so obviously, like Speed or something where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if we start, we'll die. Like it was tenser than that.
Speaker 1: It really was. If you haven't seen Uncut Gems, do
Speaker 1: you have a favor? E t What a miraculous film.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this. I've spoken about this so many times.
Speaker 1: I won't go into it. When I was eight years
Speaker 1: old in the city, cried my eyes out. What the movie?
Speaker 2: How did you go as an eight year old? Because
Speaker 2: it's quite as it is quite confronting.
Speaker 1: I burst into tears, like I was just an emotional wreck.
Speaker 1: It's the movie. When I think about crying in movies,
Speaker 1: it's Et and far Lap would be the other one, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Strange Horse movie. And I watched at with my
Speaker 1: kids probably when they were a bit young, because my
Speaker 1: oldest son just like he could not see Et with
Speaker 1: that freaking out, could not even here, I think because
Speaker 1: it almost seemed too really in a weird way. And
Speaker 1: also I think because there's moments where he's hiding in
Speaker 1: Elliott's closet, So it's something in the bedroom that you
Speaker 1: can kind of look at the closet and I think
Speaker 1: we're all or at some stage in now, you know,
Speaker 1: when we're young, have that kind of fear of what
Speaker 1: might be in the closet or what might be under
Speaker 1: the bed.
Speaker 2: Oh. I couldn't sleep with the doors open after seeing
Speaker 2: some episode of Unsolved Mysteries where they said some guy
Speaker 2: came out of the closet and an attack, So it's like,
Speaker 2: is it believe it or not or something, you know,
Speaker 2: something like that, where then I couldn't sleep with the
Speaker 2: cover door open for the next decade of my life.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, the wardrobe in the bedroom is one
Speaker 2: of the most frightening places ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your imaginations a child, which is whatrror films
Speaker 1: and you know, in films like eighteen horror film obviously,
Speaker 1: but it plays on your imagination running wild, and it
Speaker 1: leans on those things that are part of our lives
Speaker 1: and not mare own Street. I think does it really
Speaker 1: well and we'll get to that soon. But so when
Speaker 1: you say, did you see it young or do you
Speaker 1: catch up with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was quite young. I wasn't maybe I must
Speaker 2: have been about it didn't. It didn't scare me. I
Speaker 2: just remember it's just a movie that I've watched almost yearly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like there's a few movies like this and Home Alone
Speaker 2: that I watched as a kid that just were a
Speaker 2: big part of my childhood. Like it was a yearly
Speaker 2: film for me, that more more than yearly. But absolutely
Speaker 2: just love how child driven it is, you know, like
Speaker 2: as a kid, you're like, they are the stars of
Speaker 2: this show. Yeah, and adults of the enemy, you know.
Speaker 2: And there was something so great about that, the little
Speaker 2: boys on their bikes wanting to be in the bike
Speaker 2: crew and being like yeah, because we can outsmart those
Speaker 2: old old FBI guys because they don't know the way
Speaker 2: around town, like and I'd be out on my bike
Speaker 2: in my suburb and Brisbane like like you.
Speaker 1: Know, like it's funny that Spielberg uses some of thoserror tropes,
Speaker 1: doesn't it, Because that's that's very much a horror trope,
Speaker 1: isn't it, Like is it just horror out of that?
Speaker 1: But that the kids, it's the kids it's the adults.
Speaker 1: The adults never believe the kids or disconnect between the
Speaker 1: kids and the adults that they're busy at work, so
Speaker 1: the kids are left alone to solve mysteries or to
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be a clown in the drain
Speaker 1: or somebody appearing in their nightmares or an alien.
Speaker 2: I think you nailed it. They're not like they haven't
Speaker 2: gotten to that part, Like we said, the wardrobe scary
Speaker 2: until now at this age of the wardrobe is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I still haven't cleaned out those jackets. Like you just
Speaker 2: change as you get older. You're not busy with work,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be worried about money. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you're so available to be open minded to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah as.
Speaker 2: A child, and then watching that, you're still in that
Speaker 2: frame of thought. So you're like, why wouldn't they believe
Speaker 2: these But then when they do believe, they want to
Speaker 2: just do tests onthing. It's like this is our friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's so sad, And I mean it's just
Speaker 1: we an Elliott, I mean Elliott, you know when he's
Speaker 1: saying goodbye and it's just and Drew Barrymore is so amazing.
Speaker 2: She is so yeah. Yeah, as a US role. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I think she does a better first role as Johnny
Speaker 1: than Johnny dep didn' not Mary Alm straight get out.
Speaker 1: Great film by the great Jordan Peel. This is his
Speaker 1: first when you're from peen Keel and then he comes
Speaker 1: out that makes this movie that kind of blows everybody away.
Speaker 1: I don't follow him enough to know if this was
Speaker 1: expected or not, but it seemed like a complete surprise.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect it either, but it makes I mean,
Speaker 2: they say horror and comedy are pretty similar in terms
Speaker 2: of the I'm sure. I don't know if you've heard that.
Speaker 2: You know the setup and reveal. Yeah, it's like always
Speaker 2: meant to be a surprise. Horror is the same, and
Speaker 2: they've set up something and then they surprise you with
Speaker 2: something else. So I think that's why he can transition
Speaker 2: so easily. I just thought it was one of the
Speaker 2: best modern day horror, like horror thrillers I guess that
Speaker 2: I had ever seen. I was one of those ones.
Speaker 2: I came out of the cinema and I thought, WHOA Like,
Speaker 2: I was like, that's my movie of the year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was it. Like it was just it was a
Speaker 2: little bit funny, but mostly it was just a cool
Speaker 2: concept as well. And it was just really simple, like
Speaker 2: I wasn't overthought out. It was just so good.
Speaker 1: I think it was a cool concept that had something
Speaker 1: to say, but it's it's messaging. Never got in it
Speaker 1: in the way of you having a good time in
Speaker 1: that mood.
Speaker 2: It's hard to do. I think people go either way.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's too much message.
Speaker 1: And you're right, it was funny. You had the friend
Speaker 1: of character, your.
Speaker 2: Friend at home trying to hold it together. Wasn't feeding
Speaker 2: an animals on official something going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the performances were just amazing. It's a stunning film.
Speaker 1: I've seen it now three or four times, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I still love it, and I feel like I need
Speaker 1: not watch it for a while so I can kind
Speaker 1: of forget it and where it goes, so I can
Speaker 1: try to enjoy it again.
Speaker 2: It's sort of annoying because you attempted to keep watching it,
Speaker 2: but then you will, You'll ruin it field, I know, But.
Speaker 1: The older I do realize you can actually there is
Speaker 1: a point where you can watch a movie and go
Speaker 1: I kind of forget where this goes. I've done this
Speaker 1: lot for this podcast where I'm like, even not me
Speaker 1: on arm Street, because I saw it when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I've.
Speaker 2: Got to forget how this is one of the joys
Speaker 2: of aging. Yeah, no, it's actually pretty bring five years
Speaker 2: even five years ago, i'd be watching it and be like,
Speaker 2: I don't remember this movie. As soon as the press
Speaker 2: player was like, oh I do remember it now, but
Speaker 2: now I play and I'm like, it's still not clear.
Speaker 2: So it's good.
Speaker 1: Seriously, you get to the end of the film, go
Speaker 1: I think I may have seen that before.
Speaker 2: That is the first image of all of us in
Speaker 2: an old folks home one day and we're just watching
Speaker 2: the same movie every single night as well, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't remember this at all?
Speaker 1: Is that one of the things in fifty first dates
Speaker 1: to go make that I'm saying, and Drew berrymore, I
Speaker 1: think she watches something that movie, the same movie over
Speaker 1: and over again. What a joy that would be, Alex Ward,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Let's have a chat about the
Speaker 1: movie we hear the chat about from nine to eighty four,
Speaker 1: directed and written by the Great West Crave and so
Speaker 1: he'd done The Hills have Eyes before this and stars
Speaker 1: mostly people who are unknown outside of Johnny Depp.
Speaker 2: So The Hills Have Eyes came before this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in seventy seven, So there are.
Speaker 2: A remake or something because it sounds later to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Hills Have Eyes. There was a two thousand remake.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure there definitely was, and I I'm running
Speaker 1: saying it was in the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Can I just say I was surprised I hadn't seen
Speaker 2: this movie, as in, when I chose to do it,
Speaker 2: I was like, how have I actually not seen this?
Speaker 2: But I think I've seen so many references to it.
Speaker 2: I thought I had seen it.
Speaker 1: I think there were some films that live so heavily
Speaker 1: in our pop cultural psyche and in the zeitgeist that
Speaker 1: you feel like, I'm not surprised you felt like you'd
Speaker 1: seen it, not Mare and Elm Street. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when I'm watching, I'm realizing I've seen every
Speaker 2: other movie that's referenced and I hadn't seen it. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. Time every ten minutes, I
Speaker 2: thought I'd click in and be like, oh, you have
Speaker 2: seen this, yeah, but no, no, you had unless that
Speaker 2: to mention it's.
Speaker 1: Kicked in, but let's both get checked outfter The podcast
Speaker 1: stars Heather lagging Camp as Nancy. Robert England plays the
Speaker 1: great Freddy Krueger. I've mentioned Johnny Depp, Amanda Wise plays
Speaker 1: Tina Gray, Alex Ward did you enjoy and not me?
Speaker 1: And Elm Street from nine and eighty four?
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I really did enjoy it. I actually yeah,
Speaker 2: I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it too.
Speaker 1: And some of the films your reference have been more
Speaker 1: recent horrors. Have you like gone back to watch the
Speaker 1: Halloweens and that those Halloween.
Speaker 2: Not within a few years ago. Yeah, so I have
Speaker 2: gone back and watched a few of the old ones.
Speaker 2: Trying to think of some of the other ones.
Speaker 1: Polter Guist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done the podcast on The Exorcist. I've done
Speaker 2: all of those. The Rings, I've been Rings a bit later,
Speaker 2: but I've done all of those. This one was you know,
Speaker 2: I like the silly ones as well. It is a
Speaker 2: bit these days we would say it's silly. I'm sure
Speaker 2: at the time it wasn't considered silly. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: loved I love it, Like I wasn't like laughing at
Speaker 2: it during the film. I wasn't like, well, that's ridiculous
Speaker 2: sort of you know, lack of CGI or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I generally wasn't I really got into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the and this is not
Speaker 1: a criticism, I think one of the joys of this
Speaker 1: movie is I don't think where's Craven is trying to
Speaker 1: say much here at all? If anything, I think he's
Speaker 1: just trying to scare you and have you to have
Speaker 1: a good time in the cinema. I really believe that
Speaker 1: because there are things like with Tina and Nancy grabs
Speaker 1: the crucifix from the wall and that's when the war
Speaker 1: kind of comes in, which was done by Spandex, which
Speaker 1: is a new product at the time.
Speaker 2: I was kind of say, I remember when I was
Speaker 2: watching it, I went, how did they do that? Because
Speaker 2: it's actually like, that's actually a cool feature. I don't
Speaker 2: know how they did that pushing through the wall. I
Speaker 2: was like, is that because I didn't know if that
Speaker 2: was like a screen or a sheet.
Speaker 1: Yes, a Spandex was just pretty new on the scene,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of cutting edge technology. And then
Speaker 1: you kind of think, okay, there's you know, the Exoss
Speaker 1: kind of played a lot with Crucifix, and there's times
Speaker 1: when she is CHRISTI fix there, but it doesn't really
Speaker 1: go anywhere. No, but there are things that kind of
Speaker 1: happened in this movie that don't really.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that don't really go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Even the ending men I've talked about later. I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but I have no idea what happened there. But I
Speaker 2: kind of just bought into it. I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's just take that as an arty moment
Speaker 2: or a symbol of the fear yep. And I mean
Speaker 2: sure everyone listening has watched this movie, but it's all
Speaker 2: kind of set in a dreamscape, so you really are
Speaker 2: unlimited with what you want to do.
Speaker 1: That's I think that's one of the genius things about
Speaker 1: this movie is there are the horror films where it's
Speaker 1: like Jason Jason my Man Myers chasing you in Halloween,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of chasing It's like, yes, it's scary,
Speaker 1: Like if that happens in real life, it's scary because
Speaker 1: it's somebody chasing you in the hockey mast is scary,
Speaker 1: He's no doubt about it. But he's chasing you kind
Speaker 1: of slowly, and you can always find ways.
Speaker 2: To I guess he's always standing just outside the window.
Speaker 2: He's always like looking up at you.
Speaker 1: But with this sleep is avoidable. Sorry, he's unavoidable. So
Speaker 1: the fact that Freddie can get you in your sleep makes.
Speaker 2: This that was the worst part of the movie to
Speaker 2: me is I love like I mean, everyone loves sleeping,
Speaker 2: but I am someone who can sleep. You know, I
Speaker 2: am childless, but I could sleep like nine hours a
Speaker 2: night and still nap. And to me, the idea of
Speaker 2: not being out asleep was the horror of it. I
Speaker 2: was like, I feel like she'd be so tired and
Speaker 2: feel sick with tiredness, and that was starting to stress
Speaker 2: me out. I was like, I probably would imagine all
Speaker 2: of this if I hadn't slept in seven days. There's
Speaker 2: the point where it comes where she hasn't slept and
Speaker 2: Nancy has not slept in seven days. Yeah, it's actually
Speaker 2: my favorite line in the film. She hasn't slept in
Speaker 2: like seven days, and she lifts off a mirror. This
Speaker 2: is Nancy the teenager, and she goes, she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, And she goes, oh god,
Speaker 2: I look twenty years old. I laughed so much. I
Speaker 2: know that's not meant to be funny, but I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: No, I think potentially it is a bit of Do.
Speaker 2: You think it's a bit of a I think it
Speaker 2: has to be because.
Speaker 1: It's such a trope of in the movies, American movies
Speaker 1: of people in their twenties playing teenagers, like well into
Speaker 1: their twenties. I mean, look at go back to Greece,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure even before then, you know, Rizzo's close
Speaker 1: to forty, and so I think it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a wink. And part of that was, to be honest,
Speaker 1: they were after that kind of McNee look that twenty
Speaker 1: year olds developed more than you know a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old will have. Yeah, and also they can work. They
Speaker 1: had to stop as far as child labor laws that
Speaker 1: they had to stop shooting as far as sixteen.
Speaker 2: Year old Poe casting was really good because he looked young.
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp I googled him because he's so young. He
Speaker 2: was twenty one, but he actually looks about fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he looks like a baby.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I kind of had them, and I had them about
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. Apparently one of the scripts said that that
Speaker 1: Tina was fifteen. I kind of hope she wasn't because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just they just didn't seem they
Speaker 1: seemed older than fifteen.
Speaker 2: They some like sexual references.
Speaker 1: They're having sex. Yeah, I don't really want to watch
Speaker 1: fifteen year olds having sex, thank you.
Speaker 2: Where's to tell you, Peter? But they do. You don't
Speaker 2: want to watch it, which is good and they.
Speaker 1: Paid the price. Don't have sex before marriage, kids.
Speaker 2: This is what happens. You go to sleep and a
Speaker 2: man will kill you.
Speaker 1: Well, this is actually interesting because there is I think
Speaker 1: the tripping American horror films where the sex is kind
Speaker 1: of looked down upon and there was as a sin.
Speaker 1: Often the virgin will survive. Like as soon as you
Speaker 1: see a character in a horror film have sex that
Speaker 1: they die. Yeah. Yeah, and both of them do die.
Speaker 2: Yeah they do. It's interesting as there's no spoilers for
Speaker 2: this movie, right, No, that spoiler one.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Johnny Dent was like has a line at the start
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, morality sucks or something because he's not
Speaker 2: having sex. He's being a good guy because he's not
Speaker 2: hitting on Nancy, he's not doing that. But then he dies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a movie that was That's why it's probably
Speaker 2: cutting edge. It was like, no, I'm killing the virgin too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he did wear a crop top, so that's enough.
Speaker 2: The cryptop is very sexy.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because you think of horror, like if
Speaker 1: you're going to have a genre that pushes and he's
Speaker 1: more progressive about what about sexuality and sex, you think
Speaker 1: horror might be the genre that kind of is a
Speaker 1: bit more progressive about it. But it's they still seem
Speaker 1: to be stuck in at least in the eighties where
Speaker 1: if you have sex, you know, too young or before marriage,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I want just one horror movie
Speaker 2: where I don't want to say the sluttiest but yeah,
Speaker 2: bunniest girl is the winner. Like, you know, we find
Speaker 2: out that for some reason, like if you're having sexual
Speaker 2: you don't get killed. Like that would be such a
Speaker 2: good twist on a film. And it was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Like let's give this slus the power.
Speaker 2: Let's give it back, Let's give it back. This is
Speaker 2: modern Feminism's let's have the power.
Speaker 1: Let's have eyes. Yeah, let's make that movie, Sam.
Speaker 2: Raimie not get Out, it's cold, Get in?
Speaker 1: What do you like with nightmare? Because I think this
Speaker 1: frames how you view this film. I certainly will have nightmares,
Speaker 1: nothing particularly bad. I remember having. I didn't realize recently
Speaker 1: that somebody described what night terrors can be, and and
Speaker 1: part of it could be just like being frozen, being
Speaker 1: frozen not being able to move, and I reckon, I've
Speaker 1: had those before.
Speaker 2: Is that like sleep paralysis type?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it feels like it happens more in my
Speaker 1: dream than it does. Yeah, okay, you know, it might
Speaker 1: feel like I'm definitely awake, but that certainly happens a
Speaker 1: bit in my dreams. Yeah, but what what are your.
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot. I've had nightmares, but I
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of them, and most of them
Speaker 2: are always the same. I don't want to get too dark,
Speaker 2: but it's always like a building collapsing on me. So
Speaker 2: it's got nothing to do with horror. It's like and
Speaker 2: also just like like like as if there's been a
Speaker 2: like a what's it called an earthquake? But I did
Speaker 2: have a building a wall fall down like a big
Speaker 2: side of my house once, not even during the earthquake
Speaker 2: in Melbourne two days or three days before. It could
Speaker 2: have been a think a what's it called the pre
Speaker 2: tremor tremor, and that actually has messed with my mind
Speaker 2: like as and it scared me so much that now
Speaker 2: that's the only thing I ever have nightmares about, is
Speaker 2: like a wall falling on me or something. And that
Speaker 2: was like, because that happened four or five years ago,
Speaker 2: that's the only nightmares I have. But I'm lucky I
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of nightmares. After watching Nightmare on
Speaker 2: Elm Street, I went to sleep and I dreamt about trains,
Speaker 2: the most boring thing in the world. Like I've never
Speaker 2: dreamt about trains before, and after Nightmare on Elm Street,
Speaker 2: I just dreamt about I was on a like just
Speaker 2: different trains. I was studying the tracks. It was so
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like I'm quite resistant to
Speaker 2: you watch a nightmare really boring dreams a lot of time.
Speaker 2: A lot of my dreams are just I can't get
Speaker 2: it out of the house. But it's not scary. It's
Speaker 2: just like I keep forgetting something like where's my key?
Speaker 2: Always my book, It's just constant, can't get out of
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 1: My wife always complained that she has boring dreams. I'll
Speaker 1: explain the dream to it, and to be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't like doing that a lot. But I'll be very
Speaker 1: quick and I'll explaining the dream this very quickly what
Speaker 1: I had, and you're go, yeah, I dreamt and I
Speaker 1: did the laundry last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so with boring dreams, okay.
Speaker 1: I think you wanted me to laugh at a spark
Speaker 1: in your dreams.
Speaker 2: I think it's shocking. I enjoy sleeping like it's like
Speaker 2: I have to go to sleep and do chores.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you watch a nightmare on Elm Street
Speaker 1: and then you basically dreamt about the Polar Express. I
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it practically was to give at least it was
Speaker 2: like somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, so the scenery was
Speaker 2: gorgeous that I made up, but it was very boring.
Speaker 1: I did take night because my wife asked me. Bridge
Speaker 1: asked me the next morning, how did you go at
Speaker 1: the movie? And I said, well, yeah, I said it
Speaker 1: was it was a fun watch and I said I
Speaker 1: had a very sound sleep afterwards. So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where that's, you know, I guess seeing this movie nine
Speaker 1: and eighty four would have been a very different experience watching.
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, I think if i'd seen it then I
Speaker 2: would have been absolutely, especially if I was the same age.
Speaker 2: I think if you're the same age as well as
Speaker 2: the subjects around the same age, you definitely can connect more.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time being like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: closer to that mother's age, just thinking about that. That's
Speaker 2: the real horror of the film, realizing I was getting older.
Speaker 2: A lot of us was like, oh, man, I used
Speaker 2: to be these kids age. You know. I'm sort of
Speaker 2: in that early thirties transition period where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I look her age. The mom of that fifteen year old.
Speaker 1: The mum was a character, wasn't she. She was very
Speaker 1: important to the movie. Obviously at first you think, like
Speaker 1: I said earlier, there's a bit of a disconnect between
Speaker 1: the first parent I actually want to mention is when
Speaker 1: Tina has the nightmare and then her mom comes in
Speaker 1: and then her I can only assume he's maybe a
Speaker 1: boyfriend or hopefully it's not the like maybe some kind
Speaker 1: of new kind of partner who comes on and says
Speaker 1: he come back to the sack or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that. I'd forgotten about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he wins the biggest.
Speaker 2: Jerk once again, sex is bad.
Speaker 1: Sexy is bad. Sexy unless you're married, you know.
Speaker 2: Unless you are married. And also wasn't was Nancy's parents divorced? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was also like that was unclear, I thought, But
Speaker 2: he was never at home.
Speaker 1: Yes, And she was drinking but really.
Speaker 2: Sat a weird melibu. I was like, baby, no, wonder,
Speaker 2: you're drinking a lot. That's not going to get you
Speaker 2: drunk four percent or something.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you ever kind of saw her
Speaker 1: take a swing or anything. And she wasn't like slurring.
Speaker 1: She just had this bottle that like she actually got
Speaker 1: Judy free at the airport. Because it was a massive bottle,
Speaker 1: it appeared to be melobo. I agree, That's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking.
Speaker 2: I never seen someone worse at hiding their booths. Because
Speaker 2: Nancy looks out the door to see if she can escape,
Speaker 2: and the mom's pulling it out of the like the
Speaker 2: where they keep the sheets and stuff, like just the hallway,
Speaker 2: and I was like, she's watching, like, you may as
Speaker 2: well just keep it in the kitchen if you're just
Speaker 2: kind of stand in.
Speaker 1: The wall, lying in bed, and she just gets her
Speaker 1: from under the blanket.
Speaker 2: She like twenty bottles of around the house.
Speaker 1: I think she works for Malibu. I think she's a
Speaker 1: wrap or something. She's getting free Malibu.
Speaker 2: She is, Yeah, she was. She just was a character
Speaker 2: that wouldn't listen to her daughter. Hey, I can't believe
Speaker 2: a woman drinking that much Malibu was able to get
Speaker 2: those bars put on the house, because it seemed like
Speaker 2: she couldn't achieve anything. Next thing, you know, she's gotten
Speaker 2: the most expensive security put in overnight. Apparently.
Speaker 1: It's always a funny thing of when the parents don't believe.
Speaker 1: How quick would you be to believe a fanciful story
Speaker 1: you know that this was happening, that somebody was appearing
Speaker 1: in nightmares? At what point would you go, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to actually listen, and you know maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a tricky question because in real life it
Speaker 1: does sound ridiculous. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in real life, probably not very quickly. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm the sort of person that can sleep after watching
Speaker 2: this because I clearly don't believe in it. So should
Speaker 2: this ever come up for any future children, They're screwed.
Speaker 2: I'm done and I love Malibu.
Speaker 1: It is funny you got a metal right next year
Speaker 1: we should put that out. But it is funny is
Speaker 1: because when you watch a movie like this, you believe them.
Speaker 1: How many times have you been with to die before?
Speaker 1: You believe the kids? And then when you put it
Speaker 1: in real life terms, you're like, of course they're not
Speaker 1: believing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think maybe the part where like the Vince,
Speaker 2: I think if I saw someone had been scratched to
Speaker 2: death or something, I might be like, how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Maybe, But like it's annoying that the one thing she
Speaker 2: had was that crappy for Dora, where she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I pulled this out of the dream. It's like you
Speaker 2: found that in the bin. I guess the worst out
Speaker 2: of it. That's the scariest parts maybe is that for
Speaker 2: Dora it's so bad.
Speaker 1: Well, but I think when she described there's a weird hat,
Speaker 1: it's not that weird, Like all the other things are weirder.
Speaker 1: Everything else about Freddy Krueg is weirder than the hat,
Speaker 1: I would suggest, Yeah, the burns to the face, that
Speaker 1: he's got claws, he's got tomato knives, tomato knives apparently
Speaker 1: for fingers. Oh yeah, and he's got these long arms
Speaker 1: all of.
Speaker 2: A sudden, oh, Yeah, I loved that. I actually loved
Speaker 2: that scene that.
Speaker 1: Was Murmber in Melbourne, but that I had a bit
Speaker 1: of a giggle at that. At that point, I.
Speaker 2: Had a couple of giggles. That was one of them, because.
Speaker 1: I think the only reason they had the long arms
Speaker 1: to be because they don't appear in any other part
Speaker 1: of the movie. And for no other reason, I reckon
Speaker 1: They've decided that we want to have this take place
Speaker 1: in an alleyway, and we want Freddy to scrape his
Speaker 1: claws along the wall or the fences and season sparks.
Speaker 1: So we've got those two ideas. How we can't reach
Speaker 1: out for both? How are we going to do it?
Speaker 1: Big arms?
Speaker 2: They weren't like, should we get a smaller alleyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, that thought did not occur to them.
Speaker 1: They wanted they wanted this big alleyway because they need
Speaker 1: to put a goat in there or something was there goat,
Speaker 1: there's a goat somewhere. That was weird. But yeah, that,
Speaker 1: I mean that was you know that. That's one of
Speaker 1: the early that's one of the almost one of the
Speaker 1: opening scenes. Yeah, that's it's all fun, it's all it's.
Speaker 2: All fun, Like it's all fun I love.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Some of the stuff is do you remember, like there's
Speaker 2: the when the love interest gets killed Johnny the blood
Speaker 2: coming up through Oh yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was definitely a nod to the shining I think,
Speaker 1: and that was a lot of blood. I think they
Speaker 1: go in. I think they're going with like a gurnie
Speaker 1: and somebody, what are you putting on the gurney? It's
Speaker 1: this blood? You need bags?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think they do. There's some good moments
Speaker 2: like that though, where they do reference it. They're not
Speaker 2: Yeah some movies you watch, they don't, you know, you've
Speaker 2: seen all this blood and then they'll go in with
Speaker 2: the gurnyeh what and whereas they were like you're going
Speaker 2: to need a mop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a mop, that's right. I think there are
Speaker 1: some Yeah, I think Wes Craven has a good sense
Speaker 1: of human that's even like down when that's a scream
Speaker 1: series is even more evident. But I think there are
Speaker 1: some good subtle gags in this. There are some moments that,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, there's something things that happened that
Speaker 1: you're like, why did that happen? Because the point where
Speaker 1: Freddy I believe it's Freddy. He just appears near a
Speaker 1: tree in a suit, all the way down there, and
Speaker 1: she turns and he's there, and then she turns again,
Speaker 1: she looks away, she turns again and he's gone. But
Speaker 1: then that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Because usually in a horror movie, then she turns around,
Speaker 2: he's right there. Yeah, that's what typically happens in a
Speaker 2: horror movie. And then it's like, well he's not, because
Speaker 2: I did tense up at that point because I was like,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be right, beloving, and then just know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's broke.
Speaker 1: The broke the method you never saw. It's like they
Speaker 1: had a day where Robin England didn't want to go
Speaker 1: through hair and makeup. Let just put you in a suit.
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense to me. There was no follow
Speaker 1: up on that idea. I'm not sure if anything happens
Speaker 1: in the sequels to help that moment out. But and
Speaker 1: then that that's not even that much of a criticism.
Speaker 1: I'll give his film a bit of a pass because
Speaker 1: it is just trying to have fun. It's not trying
Speaker 1: to make big statements or make us think too much.
Speaker 1: It's just trying to scare us.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's fascinating. Is he turns out, you know,
Speaker 2: we find out the parents killed him. Yeah, because he
Speaker 2: is a sexual sex offender. But he's not trying to
Speaker 2: He's just trying to kill these kids. He's not trying
Speaker 2: to assault them sexually. Turns out, Yeah, used to be
Speaker 2: even worse.
Speaker 1: I know, it's funny, isn't it. You like he is.
Speaker 1: I guess he's always I mean, he's always been evil.
Speaker 1: Set the backstory. I did a little bit of research
Speaker 1: the backstory of Freddie Freddie Mercury, Freddy, I know you're
Speaker 1: no longer with us, but I am not comparing you
Speaker 1: to Freddy Kruger.
Speaker 2: I do not need someone else telling Freddy mrcury that
Speaker 2: sex is bad. He's dealt with that his whole life.
Speaker 2: He suffered the consequences. I'm Freddie young.
Speaker 1: With you, So am I Freddy.
Speaker 2: We're all LGBTQ plus absolutely so.
Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger. His mother was born to an Amanda Krueger
Speaker 1: in the forties, and Amanda Krueger either worked or at
Speaker 1: some point got trapped in a mental asylum and she
Speaker 1: was raped in that asylum by many of the inmates,
Speaker 1: and Freddy became known as this son of one hundred maniacs,
Speaker 1: and then he was abused by his step farther and
Speaker 1: then and then it goes on and on. So I
Speaker 1: believe a lot of the sequels do spend a favorite
Speaker 1: time explaining.
Speaker 2: How the monster came to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which, to be honest, look, you look at
Speaker 1: the Marvel films, and they in more recent times to
Speaker 1: put a lot more effort into having villains that you
Speaker 1: can understand the reasons why they got to a certain point.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not just saying I'm at that point with
Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger, but yeah, there is an efforts two kind
Speaker 1: of go. He's not necessarily a cartoon character.
Speaker 2: The origin stories always but I always find that complicated though,
Speaker 2: because I don't always want to have sympathy for the baddies.
Speaker 2: But then it is we live in a world where usually,
Speaker 2: very rarely is it just some random makeup in the
Speaker 2: brain that makes someone messed up or something. It is
Speaker 2: usually some sort of trauma and annoying. It's sort of like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: let's not traumatize anyone, or is it going to get
Speaker 2: their little tomato knives out? Yeah, but talk about it,
Speaker 2: and people in the dreams talk.
Speaker 1: About an active parents group though they were I mean
Speaker 1: they got him. Some parents would just write a letter
Speaker 1: to the council to get stuff done, or groups they
Speaker 1: literally turned into a lynch mob.
Speaker 2: My other favorite thing about that film was the mom
Speaker 2: not wanting to talk about it the whole life, which
Speaker 2: is fair. The kid was too young to hear a nancy.
Speaker 2: But then just when a moment came, she was just like,
Speaker 2: sit down here near the fireplace, and then went into
Speaker 2: the most explicit detail of a murder I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like and then mummy did something bad. It
Speaker 2: was like, all right, so he used to sexually harass
Speaker 2: like it really went into the Nuncy's just like, whoa,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: She's under the second bottle of malibou.
Speaker 2: This guy's just got a punchry. Now I'm like, oh God.
Speaker 1: And she gets the globe out of the furnace, which
Speaker 1: I would have thought, have they not had a fire.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just part of that the flaws in
Speaker 2: this in this movie where it's it's all is it
Speaker 2: a dream? Is it not a dream? It's all very look.
Speaker 1: Away now it doesn't matter. But even the fact she
Speaker 1: brings her down to the attic, So I know you traumatized,
Speaker 1: can't then he ad it with me.
Speaker 2: The scary there's two scary places the basement, that's the addict. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking when they went to the basement, the
Speaker 2: only thing scarier would be the attic.
Speaker 1: So in Australia we don't really, we don't have addicts.
Speaker 2: Cruel space is sort of yeah.
Speaker 1: We have a rumper's room and boiler rooms. How many
Speaker 1: boiler rooms if you walk through none?
Speaker 2: That's why Australia's scariest things is the outback. We don't
Speaker 2: literally just have nothing. But the scariest thing is more space,
Speaker 2: whereas it feels like in America, the scary thing is
Speaker 2: the small space.
Speaker 1: For us Australians, being an attic in abasement, they'd be
Speaker 1: paradise and be away from it.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, WHOA, this house is wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I was saying before, the slip device is
Speaker 1: so good because it's just inescapable. Like when you're building
Speaker 1: other movies where it's a human character trying to seek
Speaker 1: revenge for whatever reason, you are limited with the what
Speaker 1: you can do as far as they're being human and
Speaker 1: human as human. With this, the power of Freddy Krueger
Speaker 1: is he can appear anytime, and that can look like
Speaker 1: anything they wanted to look like. The scope, the landscape
Speaker 1: in which they're playing is infinite. Really, it's because it's
Speaker 1: whatever can happen in the dream. Yeah, let's talk at
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp gon to talk about all the actors. First
Speaker 1: film apparently went to This is a bit weird. He
Speaker 1: went to the audition with another actor, Jackie Earl Haley.
Speaker 1: He was an audition. He U isn't a band And
Speaker 1: they came out and they said, oh, are you an actor?
Speaker 1: And he goes, I guess so. And they auditioned and
Speaker 1: he got.
Speaker 2: The wrong They saw what was one of the most
Speaker 2: attractive people in the world. Yes, and they went get
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Jackie Earl Haley is not Johnny Depp. He's got that
Speaker 1: more Billy Bob Thornton's kind of you know, look, he
Speaker 1: often plays, you know, kind of creepy guys he plays
Speaker 1: and this is the irony of the whole thing. He
Speaker 1: ends up playing Freddy Krueger in the twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Oh Really reboot. Well, I guess the confident he had
Speaker 2: the confidence in him all along to be successful anyway,
Speaker 2: because he bought his friend Johnny Depp to an audition.
Speaker 2: I would not bring my hottest friend to an audition.
Speaker 2: I would be bringing my grossest friend.
Speaker 1: Where are they all the ugs?
Speaker 2: Shall Yeah, I'd be like, can you wait in the car, please.
Speaker 1: Johnny, Let's have her listen to we haven't played a yet.
Speaker 1: Let's have her listen to. This is Tina and her
Speaker 1: sad demise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, please start, yes.
Speaker 1: Use car. This is music. What do you think the music?
Speaker 2: I was about to say, I've realized that's something I
Speaker 2: wanted to chat to about today, but I'd forgotten until now.
Speaker 2: The music the eighty sent. Some of it's so good.
Speaker 2: Some of it is like the least scary movie music
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's a real mixed bag. Some
Speaker 1: of it actually works really well in other other times
Speaker 1: it's distracting. The soundscape is quite interesting because you have
Speaker 1: Freddy and various voices. Tina's voice once she's dead calling Nancy,
Speaker 1: and sometimes Freddy's voices. He's got his Freddy cackle going
Speaker 1: on at the time. It's more of a clown kind
Speaker 1: of cackle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I feel like you can hear the boiler
Speaker 2: room sometimes or something like there's a mistiness to it.
Speaker 2: There's something smoky or something going on as well. There's
Speaker 2: a scene where Nancy's running outside and that comes in
Speaker 2: proper eighty cents pop almost it's almost pop music or
Speaker 2: something like it's weird. And I remember thinking watching that,
Speaker 2: I went this music they would never play in a
Speaker 2: horror movie today, like this is too upbeat. It's quite upbeat.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that was just a choice
Speaker 2: to be like, ah, this isn't going to be the
Speaker 2: scariest part of the movie, so let's just make it
Speaker 2: a bit fun.
Speaker 1: I suspect if you watched any movie between between nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two to nine and eighty four, the soundtrack would
Speaker 1: be the same. It'll be like this the eighty syinth,
Speaker 1: whether it was you know, Out of Africa or not.
Speaker 1: I'm mean on Elm Street. I reckon that that was
Speaker 1: such a sound for the eighties. It's probably hard to
Speaker 1: get away from when you're trying to kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: make your film a little bit part of the zeitgeist
Speaker 1: that will lean into I guess you know what's around it,
Speaker 1: and that that just sounds like an absolute typical eighties
Speaker 1: film to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked. Would you have watched that film nine
Speaker 1: and eighty four and look at Johnny Depp outside him
Speaker 1: being like as beautiful as he is in kind of
Speaker 1: going oh, well he's a star?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Well well, I mean I noticed straight away in the
Speaker 2: titles at the start where it said and introducing Johnny Depp, Yes,
Speaker 2: And I thought that's fascinating because you don't see that
Speaker 2: a lot. It's like, I started questioning it. I was like,
Speaker 2: did they know it was going to be huge? Had
Speaker 2: he already been in a few movies and he was big,
Speaker 2: but clearly no, he's new new It's like, did they
Speaker 2: just decide he would be famous?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or so for those you know who are listening, sometimes
Speaker 1: when you see introducing, it tends to be it's a choice,
Speaker 1: it's made, and it's usually when it's somebody's debut film
Speaker 1: and there's a feeling that they've either got a prominent
Speaker 1: role enough that's you know that it feels highlighting, but
Speaker 1: there's a feeling that this person you know, could be something.
Speaker 2: Special yeah, because they don't have to do that kind
Speaker 2: of just play the role as an unknown and then
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, whatever, and his role was big, but
Speaker 2: not massive. But I think he does a good job.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's bad at all. He's bad, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't even have enough lines or script to be amazing.
Speaker 1: I think he does exactly what was asked of him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you also noticed in the credits it's Robert
Speaker 1: England as Fred Krueger as opposed to Freddie Krueger.
Speaker 2: Oh what's that about. I don't know that was he
Speaker 2: meant to just be friend?
Speaker 1: Well, I think they're being a bit formal.
Speaker 2: About Frederick Krueger.
Speaker 1: Freddie's you call me Fred in the credits plan. I
Speaker 1: want to be a serious actor. One thing I did
Speaker 1: want to say, I'll come back to any scenes that
Speaker 1: really stuck out that maybe we haven't spoken about. And
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the two actions, particularly
Speaker 1: you have a lagging camp. The boyfriend Rod who also dies.
Speaker 1: Freddie hangs him in the prisons.
Speaker 2: He's the suspect at the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, so Tina's boyfriend. I was confused because when we
Speaker 1: first meet him, he's just he's like the school jerk
Speaker 1: kind of thing. He's just kind of acting comments, sexist comments, and.
Speaker 2: There's unquestionable covering the girlfriend's mouth so she can't talk.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, Freddy Kruegery.
Speaker 1: And it's only when he rocks up because Johnny Dep's
Speaker 1: carry goes out to the backyard again classic horror movie trope,
Speaker 1: you know, go to where the noises are, and then
Speaker 1: he comes out. It's bit of a jump scare. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not Freddie, it's it's Rod. And I thought, like,
Speaker 1: this annoying guy's come to hang out with them, and
Speaker 1: then it's oh no, they're their boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but then she's like, don't leave me with
Speaker 2: this creep. But then but then I think she's I
Speaker 2: think it is just slightly misleading acting or something or scripting,
Speaker 2: because it's it is like she's saying that she does
Speaker 2: actually want to go to the bedroom with him. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it's just a bit confusing there.
Speaker 1: And I do think you need to make him where's
Speaker 1: Craven's defense, But you do need to make him kind
Speaker 1: of unlikable because you need for the town to suspect
Speaker 1: him having murdered Tina.
Speaker 2: I almost would have loved to have seen a version
Speaker 2: of the film where we didn't see so much about
Speaker 2: her murder, and maybe I did suspect it was him, like,
Speaker 2: which is a very traditional way of doing it, because
Speaker 2: they do just show straight up. This is a very
Speaker 2: silly I think film like. It's very just like to
Speaker 2: the point they show the invisible murder like they just
Speaker 2: show it and then we know it's not him. But
Speaker 2: then I wonder in a world where I don't know
Speaker 2: how they could have done it other than he disappears,
Speaker 2: they come in and she's got the scratch marks, and
Speaker 2: maybe a version where he's telling the events and then
Speaker 2: they replay it or something like so that you're doubting him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. Heather A lagging Camp
Speaker 1: plays Nancy. I thought she's really good.
Speaker 2: I think she's great. Yeah, I think she's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Eighties dialogue is different. I think if this film was
Speaker 1: made now, I haven't seen the reboot in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: it wasn't successful, but there is a certain dialogue that
Speaker 1: going on in the a certain acting style the way
Speaker 1: there was in the sixties, you know, seventies and fifties.
Speaker 1: So forgiving all of that, I thought she was good.
Speaker 1: I thought she was kind of strong. I'm not exactly
Speaker 1: sure why to go to the end, Why her not
Speaker 1: believing Freddy worked all of a sudden, because early in
Speaker 1: the film she did also say you're not real, you're
Speaker 1: not real, You're not real, and it just continued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It felt very rush to the end
Speaker 2: of this movie. It felt very She's like, hang on,
Speaker 2: I just don't need to believe in you. And that's
Speaker 2: fine that that worked, but you're right, it didn't work.
Speaker 2: Early on it's working, and then at the end do
Speaker 2: you find out maybe it didn't work? Is that weird twist?
Speaker 2: She's getting in the car and then he's there and
Speaker 2: it's like is this Real's? Yeah, are you dreaming again?
Speaker 2: What's happening here?
Speaker 1: Like, you know, it's just so confident that it's going
Speaker 1: to work this time much she'd worked it out, But
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you'd worked it out earlier, and I
Speaker 1: completely agree it.
Speaker 2: I also don't think the moment she works it out
Speaker 2: is obvious enough in terms of like how did you
Speaker 2: work that out? Yeah, she sort of just has an
Speaker 2: idea and it's like, that's the one.
Speaker 1: I do think we asked more of Our movie is
Speaker 1: now in a good way and has been made and
Speaker 1: it was hugely successful. People love it, so we need
Speaker 1: to build on that. It's like with comedy that yeah,
Speaker 1: there were some jokes in the eighties that we don't
Speaker 1: do anymore, and we've evolved and we build on those things.
Speaker 1: So I think that's not criticizing a nightmare elm Street.
Speaker 1: That's just saying, of course, we want movies to have
Speaker 1: progressed and evolved in the forty years since. But I
Speaker 1: thought Heather Logan Camp was really good. I think Where's
Speaker 1: Craven's daughter said to him, can you make the female
Speaker 1: characters stronger? And can they not chip over when they're
Speaker 1: running away from the monster?
Speaker 2: That's cool? And he listened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must say when she was running, I thought
Speaker 1: she could have run. She could have run faster. She
Speaker 1: was she was a healthy you know, she was tired.
Speaker 1: She was she hadn't slept. That's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was so tired.
Speaker 1: I'm so bloody Judgy, we love a fun fact on
Speaker 1: this show. Casting head of Lagging Camp, I think they
Speaker 1: made the right choice. But there were some people up
Speaker 1: for the role Courtney Cocks that could have been Jennifer Gray,
Speaker 1: considered Demi Moore.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, some big have you hit it?
Speaker 1: Heavy hitters and also Tracy Gold from Growing Pains.
Speaker 2: And had Heather Is that the character's name or the
Speaker 2: nancy was Heather famous yet been.
Speaker 1: I don't, I haven't, I haven't gone down.
Speaker 2: The sounds like, oh, maybe none of the others were either.
Speaker 1: Yet No, because there's a thing, you know in horror
Speaker 1: films where it's almost a deliberate thing not to cast
Speaker 1: famous people because they can be distracting. I've just heard
Speaker 1: people talk about her and say that she is very
Speaker 1: grounded and very funny and reflective on the roll and
Speaker 1: speaks really well about it, which had more time's running
Speaker 1: out of gone through. There is maybe the most interesting
Speaker 1: fun facts. This is kind of based on a true story.
Speaker 1: Wes Craven read a story written in the La Times
Speaker 1: and there's about some Southeast Asian refugees that were trying
Speaker 1: to escape the whole Pot regime and they came to
Speaker 1: America and three of them died after suffering horrific nightmares.
Speaker 1: At first, I was just having these nightmares, and then
Speaker 1: they just refused to go back to sleep. They stayed
Speaker 1: away for like a week, and then they got exhausted
Speaker 1: obviously eventually fell asleep. They kind of woke up or
Speaker 1: half wake up kind of screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming, and
Speaker 1: then died and the autopsy revealed like no helf failure.
Speaker 1: They could not find any real cause of death, only
Speaker 1: that they had died. So this is now known as
Speaker 1: sudden unexpected death syndrome.
Speaker 2: That's spooky, there must, I mean, the logic or the
Speaker 2: brain of mind is trying to find you know, like
Speaker 2: we're trying. Have you seen someone who has rabies? They
Speaker 2: do some crazy stuff. I want to believe it's some
Speaker 2: sort of disease that is just fairly unknown. Yet part
Speaker 2: of me wants to believe, as a man in a Fedora.
Speaker 1: Good horror films need a kernel of something that preys
Speaker 1: on our vulnerable part of our minds, that you kind
Speaker 1: of go, this could actually happen, or that this is
Speaker 1: maybe based on something like an urban legend that you
Speaker 1: may have heard about. Is it true? Is it not true?
Speaker 1: But I think the genie of a nightmare in Elm
Speaker 1: Street is you can't run away from sleep. You just cannot.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right, And I think that's why I
Speaker 2: despite all it's not flaws, just it's wackiness, or it's silliness.
Speaker 2: It's still a good film because I think at the
Speaker 2: bones of it are good.
Speaker 1: One final fun fact is that Nancy is watching a
Speaker 1: Sam Raimi film, The Evil Dead, and she's struggling to
Speaker 1: stay awake. So that was a little bit of a dig.
Speaker 1: I think Sam Raimi and West Graving a good friend.
Speaker 1: So this is in tongue in cheek and good humor. Well,
Speaker 1: that seems like a good place. And this podcast comes
Speaker 1: with homework. And I know you are bloody busy are you?
Speaker 1: Are you performing around the country at the moment? You
Speaker 1: know what it's like a comedy concert.
Speaker 2: You know, this is my first year off I've chosen
Speaker 2: to do the podcast. Why do you think I was
Speaker 2: able to watch Nightmare on Elm Street on a Tuesday night?
Speaker 2: You know I'm free, Look that I'm always performing around
Speaker 2: Melbourne and onhe of my God, I've probably got things
Speaker 2: coming out. Look, I'm always performing around I'll be around Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your Instagram? Had war?
Speaker 2: Do you know like Wardy?
Speaker 1: You know Wardy? You know follow Alex one of the
Speaker 1: best in the biz and absolutely kicking goals right now.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching a Nightmare on Elm Street by yourself?
Speaker 2: No worries. I loved it. It made me feel twenty
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Ooh, scary stuff that was Alex Ward really loved hanging
Speaker 1: out with Alex. She's been killing it on the Aussie
Speaker 1: comedy scene for a while now. And it's interesting because
Speaker 1: Alex is somebody that I haven't necessarily sat down to
Speaker 1: talk movies a lot, so it was fascinating to find
Speaker 1: out that she is a bit of a horror movie
Speaker 1: lover and yeah, and some of her favorite movies I're
Speaker 1: also some of my favorite movies too, So lots of fun.
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Speaker 1: the show for a long time now. It's a man
Speaker 1: I've known for the entirety of my stand up career,
Speaker 1: Lawrence Mooney. Australians will know him from TV, radio stage,
Speaker 1: I think, a giant of Australian the comedy. And he'll
Speaker 1: be joining me in the studio to watch a movie
Speaker 1: that I was tickled pink when he chose it because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. It's for nineteen eighty four, would
Speaker 1: I dare say? The children's film possibly from Wolfgang Peterson.
Speaker 1: At the time it was the most expensive film ever
Speaker 1: made in Germany. It is the never Ending Story, that's right.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I've never seen it. I'll be watching
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