Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Artsimone. I stand out everywhere I go because
Speaker 1: I'm gorgeous, clearly, but not everyone is like me. A
Speaker 1: lot of the time we're surrounded by people that seem
Speaker 1: a bit bland dull. I'm interesting, even so I'm taking
Speaker 1: upon myself to find the colorful characters among us, even
Speaker 1: if they seem a bit beige at first glance. I
Speaker 1: don't know what characters I'll be meeting with or what
Speaker 1: they're keeping concealed. All I know is that they're interesting
Speaker 1: enough to be talking to me. Welcome to Conceal It
Speaker 1: with Art Simone. Let's meet our guests. Roll the tape.
Speaker 2: My name's Jerry, I'm fifty three. I'm a business owner
Speaker 2: from Queensland, Sonny, Queensland. I've got twenty acres love animals,
Speaker 2: also doing up a couple of old cars with my son.
Speaker 2: But it's the work that I do that's particularly interesting.
Speaker 2: It could be considered essential work. You probably don't know
Speaker 2: who does it or never seen anyone do it before.
Speaker 1: Hey, hello, Jarn, how are you good. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: studio and welcome to Concealed Now. I've never met you before.
Speaker 1: In my love you know, you could have just pulled
Speaker 1: off the street. I have heard some facts about you. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're from Queensland. Yes, you live in Queensland.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: So you're here in studio with me when you live
Speaker 1: in Queensland. Yes, oh my god. It's like interstate is
Speaker 1: not exciting. I'm so happy I'd enough to do this
Speaker 1: through zoom though. Okay, sive in Queensland. You live on
Speaker 1: lots of land. Okay, doesn't give me much information. But
Speaker 1: maybe you just like getting out in the boosh. I
Speaker 1: don't know, is there anything exciting on your land?
Speaker 2: It's behind a zoo.
Speaker 1: It's behind a zoo. Wow, that's such a very clever
Speaker 1: because if they need to expand the size of the zoo,
Speaker 1: you can say, come on, name your prob always a possibility.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Okay, hopefully they invent some more animals,
Speaker 1: can edit up because I feel like actually running out
Speaker 1: of animals. Maybe maybe, but maybe I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: get in the future where they start making cyborg animals
Speaker 1: and they need a new wing to the zoo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your place is the one to go. Okay, and you
Speaker 1: like to do up cars?
Speaker 2: Yes, love old cars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what type of cars do you old Holden's You
Speaker 1: answered that so quick. Yeah, it would be nothing else
Speaker 1: at all, old hold nothing else. What makes an old Holden?
Speaker 2: Oh it's strong, it's heavy strong. Yeah, when you slam
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 1: Brander profile strong heavy Yeah, keep going yeap strong heavy.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask you three questions, and from
Speaker 1: the answers to those three questions, I have to try
Speaker 1: and decide and determine what you were concealing from me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get it right, most times I get it wrong.
Speaker 2: You can only try.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try. Okay, So question number one, what
Speaker 1: was a weird obsession you had as a kid.
Speaker 2: So when I was young, like late teens, I had
Speaker 2: a little bit a session with obviously cars. I'm very particular,
Speaker 2: and I was very can I say this word anal?
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Anal safe space here, Okay, you can use that word
Speaker 1: around me.
Speaker 2: It's signe. I actually had a a Gemini panel van
Speaker 2: and the interior.
Speaker 1: The language Gemini panel.
Speaker 2: Van, and I did all the inside up, and I
Speaker 2: was very particular. I had containers and shelving and buckets
Speaker 2: and organization. Yeah, it was very organized. A lot of
Speaker 2: cloths and yeah, a few buckets and a few bits
Speaker 2: and pieces.
Speaker 1: And okay, it's a very organized interior of your Gemini
Speaker 1: Gemini panel Van. See you've always loved cars. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: do you like the show? Right? I feel like all
Speaker 1: can't be But do you like it West Coast Customs?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, not for me?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Gemini panel Van. But ain't all about
Speaker 1: the car interior organization? Okay? Question number two. Out of
Speaker 1: the five senses, which one would you struggle with the
Speaker 1: most if you lost it? Don't ask me what the
Speaker 1: farther are I've forgotten?
Speaker 2: No, that's okay. If I lost it, probably my smell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to lose that.
Speaker 1: You don't want to lose you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, I feel like I'm just saying about myself now.
Speaker 1: I think I could. I couldn't lose my sight, although
Speaker 1: I could lose it later in life because I've seen
Speaker 1: everything now you can just describe it to me. Okay.
Speaker 1: And fintal question, Yeah, what are you most fearful of?
Speaker 2: Okay, there was a couple. Yeah, well okay, let me
Speaker 2: there's probably my own blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your own blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like getting needles and things like that.
Speaker 2: That's my own.
Speaker 1: Needles, okay. All right, so let's recap okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So you live in coins, and you got a lot
Speaker 1: of land. You love cars okay, and you did all
Speaker 1: lots of organization buckets containers okay. And you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to lose your smell. No, And you're fearful of blood,
Speaker 1: my own, your own blood. That is the very big difference. Yeah, difference, yes,
Speaker 1: especially in my career. Okay, So they still could be
Speaker 1: a vampire. I'm running that down, all right. So I
Speaker 1: feel like I know this one, and sometimes I don't.
Speaker 1: I think I've worked it out, but I could be
Speaker 1: completely wrong, and I'm just going to guess. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So I'm putting it all together. The only thing that
Speaker 1: comes to mind is something very interesting. I feel like
Speaker 1: cleaning supplies is the vibe I'm getting right, cleaning and
Speaker 1: you don't like your own blood, but you might be
Speaker 1: around blood a lot. Okay, I'm going to guess. Are
Speaker 1: you a crime scene cleaner?
Speaker 2: I am a trauma and crime scene cleaner. I own
Speaker 2: my own company called National Trauma and Crime Scene Cleaning.
Speaker 2: We specialize in murders murder scenes trauma, decomposition, sewerage and
Speaker 2: hoarding and we cover all of Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love this Jerry. He cleans up blood and gutsy.
Speaker 1: I've just revealed give opened your jacket and there is
Speaker 1: national trauma and crime scene cleaning with lots of things
Speaker 1: for the wale. So we have just found out that
Speaker 1: Jerry is a crime scene cleaner. I got it right, yes,
Speaker 1: But the real question is can he help me clean
Speaker 1: up my life? Help? Jerry is about to speak about
Speaker 1: some confronting themes around death. Do you think you need
Speaker 1: to tap this one out here? No hard feelings, Just
Speaker 1: go back to the feed and listen to one of
Speaker 1: the other amazing episodes I've made for you. All Right,
Speaker 1: So we're here with Jerry and we've just found out
Speaker 1: that you are a crime scene cleaner. Do you have
Speaker 1: a proper terminology for that? Am I being rude by
Speaker 1: calling you a crime scene clean.
Speaker 2: It's fine friends of clean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Friends or that's men. Put that down. Actually forensic.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's very good for all the CSR people.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, So I have to preface this
Speaker 1: with I'm so fascinated by this world. I tell you
Speaker 1: what I've watched documentaries, I've watched TV shows. There's even
Speaker 1: this YouTube channel of this, like the American group of
Speaker 1: people that like they show a lot they show Oh
Speaker 1: my god, make I don't think this should be on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but I still watch it. So I am so fascinated
Speaker 1: to find out even more. Okay, because you know, I
Speaker 1: can't be bother go into the States to go to
Speaker 1: one of their smelly houses.
Speaker 2: Okay, come with me.
Speaker 1: Watch them afar. Okay, although I have been in some
Speaker 1: dressing rooms that do look like crime scene, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. But first question obviously is how did you
Speaker 1: get into this line of work?
Speaker 2: So I started off commercial cleaning, so right when I
Speaker 2: was very young, when I had my Gemini panel van,
Speaker 2: I actually first started off as a forklift driver and
Speaker 2: they did some nighttime cleaning doing pubs and clubs and
Speaker 2: vomit and spew and finding sharps and you name it.
Speaker 2: We did it, the dirtiest things, we did it.
Speaker 1: So you know, you start working with slightly more icky
Speaker 1: things from its pew, filthy things.
Speaker 2: Vargus, veins all over car put all over the house.
Speaker 1: Now, but you start with that, and then how do
Speaker 1: you then get into the full forensic.
Speaker 2: As you get more experienced and do there's a lot
Speaker 2: of courses out there you can do, which we've done,
Speaker 2: and then you're obviously more experience, and then you know,
Speaker 2: it just goes from there and it builds up and
Speaker 2: builds up.
Speaker 1: Okay, and did you is this your company?
Speaker 2: My company?
Speaker 1: So did you start working? We're working with someone else.
Speaker 2: So back then I was working for another company. They
Speaker 2: didn't actually solely do forensically. Their main was like carper
Speaker 2: cleaning and pest control and remediation work and flood work.
Speaker 2: So we do a lot of flood remediation where houses
Speaker 2: got flooded with sewage or with water. One of the
Speaker 2: agents I was doing work for, the person had passed
Speaker 2: away from the dining room and lound room. The people
Speaker 2: that used to deliver the old yellow pages actually discovered it.
Speaker 2: They were dropping the yellow pages at the door of
Speaker 2: the unit and then go on, there's something not right.
Speaker 2: It was a bad smell. And then they looked in
Speaker 2: the window and seeing a body sort of over a chair,
Speaker 2: and then they six on the four they've seen the
Speaker 2: whole part of the lound room going to let into
Speaker 2: the dining room was there was fluid everywhere. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: got a phone call it like five o'clock afternoon from
Speaker 2: the agent saying, please help me, this is what's happened.
Speaker 2: You know, can you meet me there on you know?
Speaker 2: So we went there and wow, that was my eye
Speaker 2: opener of a really big job. The odor was we
Speaker 2: have a scale of one to ten and it was anilimeter.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was a ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, So before we get to the degreety details to
Speaker 1: a degree, what is the kind of spectrum of forensic cleaning,
Speaker 1: Like you can go in there and clear up some
Speaker 1: blood or you can go in there and I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, they all differ a lot. So depending on the
Speaker 2: degree of let's just say someone's passed away in a property, yes,
Speaker 2: and all depends on how long they've been there for.
Speaker 2: So if it's a what a one day decomposition, we're
Speaker 2: going to do a stage one clean and the odor
Speaker 2: will probably be fairly low. Where then the spectrum is
Speaker 2: you can go from a one day to a six weeker.
Speaker 2: So then you've got you blowflies and maggots and you've
Speaker 2: got all the gury stuff. After six weeks of yeah,
Speaker 2: someone passing, it's not a pretty sight.
Speaker 1: Have you ever watched into a place in me? Like,
Speaker 1: just knock it down, love?
Speaker 2: So we've had a couple.
Speaker 1: It's so soaked into everything, and what do you do.
Speaker 2: We had one in a different I won't name the state,
Speaker 2: but a different state from here, where the body was
Speaker 2: there for six weeks and passed away on carpet in
Speaker 2: the hallway, and so we had to remove the carpet
Speaker 2: and cut it all out. But it had gone through
Speaker 2: the timber floors and it was a high set place,
Speaker 2: and it actually all the fluids had gone through the
Speaker 2: timber flooring, but it had gone down the hallway under
Speaker 2: the bathroom out to the dining room kitchen, and it
Speaker 2: had covered an area probably about six or seven square meters.
Speaker 2: But then were the worst part of it. It went through
Speaker 2: the timber floor and then down into the main joists
Speaker 2: and beams. But the problem that it traveled out so
Speaker 2: one or two of the beams had actually been infected
Speaker 2: with body fluids all the way through.
Speaker 1: Human go everything.
Speaker 2: It was under like four or five walls, so it
Speaker 2: made a hell of a mess. So then, of course,
Speaker 2: and we can only do all the surface cleaning because
Speaker 2: we're not builders, so the builders got to be involved.
Speaker 2: But it was a very very old, missed treated house.
Speaker 2: So he was part order, part gross filth, yes, very recluse,
Speaker 2: and you didn't want much to do with the world.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't a good property. And then the poor
Speaker 2: family had deal with the cleanup.
Speaker 1: So talk me through the process of you get a
Speaker 1: phone call and then do you go out and assess
Speaker 1: the property first.
Speaker 2: So we've got a few girls in the office answer
Speaker 2: the phones twenty four to seven yes, so we don't
Speaker 2: have answering services or other companies that do our phone calls.
Speaker 2: And they then discretely get as much information as possible
Speaker 2: so we can go from obviously where the property is,
Speaker 2: describe the property, was there an ode? Is there animals
Speaker 2: in the property? Because that can make a big difference
Speaker 2: if there was a dog a cat while they were
Speaker 2: passed away, so they've made a mess urine feces from them.
Speaker 2: There's a whole series we have out your list that
Speaker 2: you've got to go through and all these questions. After
Speaker 2: all those questions are answered, then we then send technicians
Speaker 2: out and get the approval to go. Some of you're
Speaker 2: trying to get pre approval to obviously dispose of beds
Speaker 2: or carpets and things like that. If depending on their information,
Speaker 2: so then we can then go and do ourt works.
Speaker 1: I guess to degree you have to kind of be
Speaker 1: a one stop shop. We're dealing with death a lot
Speaker 1: of the time here, right, lots of thing. It's a
Speaker 1: very sensitive time for all those involved. So I guess
Speaker 1: if you know, they want to come to someone who
Speaker 1: can just kind of you deal with this and then
Speaker 1: we'll go back when it's fresh and lovely.
Speaker 2: Happens a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you find you have to train your staff anyway,
Speaker 1: just in terms of dealing with high emotion like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, We've got all walks of life with our
Speaker 2: stuff X you know ambos, We've got X nurses, X
Speaker 2: age care, so a lot of them have got life experiences.
Speaker 2: We've got a few young ones aboard the little learning.
Speaker 2: But obviously they're then with always someone that's been fully
Speaker 2: trained and by myself, a lot of them have done courses, yes,
Speaker 2: some haven't. They come to us and there as you say, green,
Speaker 2: but they've got to learn. You know, I'm fifty three
Speaker 2: and I'm still learning.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The more they can learn, the better, and the more
Speaker 2: I can learn and bring to the family is great
Speaker 2: because that way they're more stronger for the job. The
Speaker 2: job is very very sensitive and very very hard at
Speaker 2: some times, but we believe in debriefing after every job,
Speaker 2: talk with our office staff and if they need more
Speaker 2: than counseling. But yeah, do you.
Speaker 1: Have to weed out some people that are a bit
Speaker 1: too into the area of crime scene cleaning.
Speaker 2: There's about forty things that they have to pass before
Speaker 2: they even get into the first step, and one of
Speaker 2: the main thing is they have to have a clean record.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, well you imagine the situation they're in
Speaker 2: and those it has to be clean. No, they've got
Speaker 2: to be very trustworthy. That's the main thing. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: when you're going to a house there's potential jewelry, money, Yeah,
Speaker 2: very much, there's a lot a lot of trust.
Speaker 1: You should have a metal detector before that.
Speaker 2: Before they got a right arms out, arms out, Yeah, there.
Speaker 1: You're good to go.
Speaker 2: Yep. And there's all these things that ever got to
Speaker 2: be how they with odors, how they with blood and outs,
Speaker 2: how they with vomit, you know, how they with feces.
Speaker 2: We've had a couple of cases where they've come in
Speaker 2: all bells and whistles and bend. I can do this,
Speaker 2: I can do this, And the next minute they are
Speaker 2: either spewing or the game. That's they can't stomach it.
Speaker 2: And you know that it's not for you because and
Speaker 2: then that one wasn't bad. You know, out of ten,
Speaker 2: that was only a four. How are you going to
Speaker 2: go with a nine or a ten?
Speaker 1: Can you smell smell like outside of property?
Speaker 2: Yes? All the time?
Speaker 1: Wow? Do you sometimes walk down there and go dead? Person?
Speaker 1: Does it happen you just like walking your dog? You're like,
Speaker 1: I know, that's why you're on the property with all
Speaker 1: the acres. You don't have to smell it.
Speaker 2: I got plenty of fresh air.
Speaker 1: And does it all just kind of smell the same
Speaker 1: or you're like, no, that's blood.
Speaker 2: You can see there's a big difference between fresh blood
Speaker 2: and someone that's been decomposed for a long period of time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why I do not want to lose my sense
Speaker 2: of smell.
Speaker 1: Rah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And not only that, you want when you're
Speaker 2: doing your job, you want to make sure that you've
Speaker 2: got it all and when you walk into property and
Speaker 2: after you've done, you know full clear of this and
Speaker 2: the full clean and down to the nitty gritties, and
Speaker 2: all the furniture's gone, all the fixtures are gone. You
Speaker 2: want to make sure that property has got no decomposition
Speaker 2: smell at all.
Speaker 1: How do you put up with the smell? She just
Speaker 1: put like a little like tree shaped car.
Speaker 2: So you can have we can have you can have
Speaker 2: P three masks with the right fielders and then you
Speaker 2: don't smell. I think just great. Or sometimes you can
Speaker 2: have a P two mask with a little bit of mix, yes,
Speaker 2: and your little finger. It's a little bit up here
Speaker 2: to depending on the odor levels and the extreme. If
Speaker 2: it's only a one day decomposition, you can get away
Speaker 2: with a P two and a little bit of vixed
Speaker 2: and it's not there's hardly no smell at all. There's
Speaker 2: hardly no bacteria in there. But if it's a six weeker,
Speaker 2: you want to go to the P three mask.
Speaker 1: Is that the airs thick? Right?
Speaker 2: It's oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So obviously some of these situations are things like you
Speaker 1: were saying, oh that it could be like a Hordo's house.
Speaker 1: I doubt they call you themselves, though, So who hires
Speaker 1: you to clean it up?
Speaker 2: Social workers, next of kin, A lot of next to
Speaker 2: kin get to the point where they've just had enough
Speaker 2: and they call us and they'll speak to the girls
Speaker 2: office and say, I'm old, what do I do? How
Speaker 2: do I They don't want to throw nothing away and
Speaker 2: on family, they're telling me to go and get you
Speaker 2: know what, you know, don't come near me. But they've
Speaker 2: got to help because you know, the fire department's got involved,
Speaker 2: or neighbors are complaining to the council and if it's
Speaker 2: a council audit where they say, right, it's going to
Speaker 2: be cleaned up. Otherwise you're out. They're the fun ones,
Speaker 2: very challenging.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you need to have like a councilor
Speaker 1: with you. Oh.
Speaker 2: In some cases we've had yeah, yeah, they've been really good.
Speaker 1: I've watched those really TV shows. Not really into those.
Speaker 1: They sit they sit on the grass and everyone's pulling
Speaker 1: out this stuff and you're like, no, that's my good spoon.
Speaker 1: You've got three hundred other spoons, but it's the good one.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we can only do half days. I've had one
Speaker 2: of the last of two hours and we had to say, no,
Speaker 2: she's getting choupset. This is what we're going to do.
Speaker 2: You do your sister's here. You talk your sister and
Speaker 2: we'll say we're going to come back tomorrow. Give it
Speaker 2: another okay, And the sister goes, well, hang on, I
Speaker 2: think we're going to have to take her back to
Speaker 2: our place and these guys can do your bid and
Speaker 2: we've had it. We're evidently taken them away with the
Speaker 2: police because police got involved and they got angry and
Speaker 2: upset with them. But I had to get done because
Speaker 2: those counsels, we're going to remove them.
Speaker 1: Oh you're surrounded by mountains of their things? Is that weird? Well?
Speaker 2: No, I love it. I absolutely love it. Bring it
Speaker 2: on the bigger the better.
Speaker 1: Because how do you navigate something like that.
Speaker 2: On our secret what you start from the air and
Speaker 2: work your way in slowly, very slowly?
Speaker 1: Do you just chuck it all out?
Speaker 2: Oh? It all depends on the client. But you've got
Speaker 2: to be very respectful because.
Speaker 1: Someone that's like, oh, there's something nice in there, it's
Speaker 1: like a needle in a haystack.
Speaker 2: Can you find there's some companies out there to get
Speaker 2: there to shovel and you know, a skip and just
Speaker 2: go for their jollys. We're not like that. We like
Speaker 2: to be very careful we've found. You know, obviously they'll say, look,
Speaker 2: just get rid of it. All stinks. I don't want
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. And you're going through it
Speaker 2: and you find people's memorabilia, and you find photos from
Speaker 2: thirty and forty and fifty years ago from their grandparents,
Speaker 2: and there's certain it's of furniture that are age and
Speaker 2: antique and they're in really good condition under some of
Speaker 2: that stuff, and you go, I can't throw this, and
Speaker 2: then you put it aside and say, next to kin,
Speaker 2: we found this this and said, oh my god it
Speaker 2: is I remembered about that with my grandmother. The next
Speaker 2: minute there saying oh, can we now keep this? Can
Speaker 2: we keep that? You know? Which is fine, And that's
Speaker 2: all part of the rehabilitation of dealing with the hoarder.
Speaker 2: You know, there's good parts of it, there's bad parts
Speaker 2: of it. It's really fun. I love it, Like what
Speaker 2: good is going to be?
Speaker 1: Fine? You're going to go Discovery Indian Jones and the
Speaker 1: Templar Doom.
Speaker 2: We found a lot of money, a lot of jewelry
Speaker 2: and a lot of valuables.
Speaker 1: How do you stay honest?
Speaker 2: I get the kick out of it. When then they
Speaker 2: can pay my bill, and I've found thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in cash under the vinyl. Yeah, we found we had
Speaker 2: one in a different state where it was under the
Speaker 2: dining table under some old vinyl, and there was thirty
Speaker 2: three and a half thousand dollars to be precise, and
Speaker 2: as I found just the first thousand, and I ring
Speaker 2: the client style, I found money under here. We knew
Speaker 2: she was Horty buddy she was. It was so funny.
Speaker 2: And then by thirty three and a half thousand dollars later,
Speaker 2: Holy smoke. It was a great kick because she paid
Speaker 2: our bill straight away.
Speaker 1: Just to take it out of that, I think we did.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Skip Bins, but this
Speaker 2: is one of the largest, big walking ones. It's a
Speaker 2: thirty cubic met I think we did six massive, but
Speaker 2: it was a big home. It was a lovely It
Speaker 2: was a lovely home. Yeah, they're fun.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was once so lovely. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's some of the most interesting things you've found going through?
Speaker 1: Besides thirty three thousand dollars, which I don't think you
Speaker 1: can top that, some of the stuff.
Speaker 2: That you find is absolutely you're just like I don't
Speaker 2: think I can hanahs over the client because it's a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, some of the secrets that you uncover,
Speaker 2: you know, like they didn't know that she was tragged,
Speaker 2: he was dragged, you know, or toys and things like that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I had this conversation actually recently with a
Speaker 1: friend and they're like, who is your friend that you've
Speaker 1: already organized that, like if you die, they're going and
Speaker 1: clean out the top drawer. And I said, that's a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I need to organize that, although I think
Speaker 1: my mum should be like whatever.
Speaker 2: Well get we get called and we find that stuff, Wow,
Speaker 2: exciting people.
Speaker 1: It doesn't real kinky shites that So does everyone have
Speaker 1: to sign like an NDA, because how do you stop
Speaker 1: you know, your staff going being little secret squills and
Speaker 1: we're very strict on Yeah, how do you something from
Speaker 1: leaking stuff? Have you had your shoes?
Speaker 2: Oh, we've been pretty lucky over the last you know,
Speaker 2: thirty odd years, we've been very lucky. I've got good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had the other little leak here and there, but.
Speaker 1: Pun intended body fluid leak. Yeah, just a couple of
Speaker 1: leagues around what would be the most famous situation of
Speaker 1: like a cleanup you've done, you know, if you cleaned
Speaker 1: up the Queen's house. I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, well, no, I can give you a scenario. I
Speaker 2: can't give you his acts, but yeah, we've done lots,
Speaker 2: lots and lots. We've got to be very discreet. Obviously,
Speaker 2: our sign rise. We cover it up because we don't
Speaker 2: want people following us back to where we are and
Speaker 2: all those phone numbers and things like that to contact
Speaker 2: us about that particular, especially if it's high media. They'll wait,
Speaker 2: they'll wait for us to finish up when there can
Speaker 2: tell Yeah, all the time, I've had guns to put
Speaker 2: to our staffs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to drug labs and things like that,
Speaker 2: we've had people pull out rifles to come get the
Speaker 2: rest of their goodies.
Speaker 1: There, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ah, so that was quite a few years ago.
Speaker 2: We've learned since then, so now we make sure the
Speaker 2: police are on what's going on. And yes, yeah, if
Speaker 2: it's an insurance job, we do it. Work for insurance
Speaker 2: companies and they're just like, hey, listen, he's in jail,
Speaker 2: or he's not in jail, or he's he's out on
Speaker 2: bail or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, so's sometimes you walk into a property and you
Speaker 1: go ah, and the police aren't really involved, and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: there's some stuff here, you guys to probably come and
Speaker 1: check it out. Does that happen?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, lots. Yeah, I'll probably every three or four
Speaker 2: weeks we'll get one we've got to call the police
Speaker 2: to come into Hey there's some three bags here of
Speaker 2: some really stuff that we should we shouldn't be throwing
Speaker 2: away or more. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So all all the situations you deal with are all
Speaker 1: quite dark, a bit morbid. I know they have great
Speaker 1: outcomes in the end, but they all start off in
Speaker 1: that space in the situation. How is that for you?
Speaker 1: Because you're dealing with a lot of negative situations and
Speaker 1: you're walking into that almost daily.
Speaker 2: I think a wi I have lasted time. I love
Speaker 2: that challenge of to turn that around. We've got clients
Speaker 2: who have gone back a year later to visit them
Speaker 2: and see how they're going. And some have done really,
Speaker 2: really well, and you know, you praise them, and some
Speaker 2: of them get on side with you and go, Jerry,
Speaker 2: look what I did. You know I've done this and
Speaker 2: I it's not all the rubbish anymore. And I've kept
Speaker 2: the spare room clean and it's not coming out of
Speaker 2: my windows anymore. And I've done that. It's just amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get a real kick out of.
Speaker 1: It, changing lives, changing lives. How do you do that?
Speaker 1: It's so heartwarming? What do I do? Make people laugh? Boring?
Speaker 2: You're just great?
Speaker 1: But no, I'm very grateful that companies like yours exist
Speaker 1: and that there are people out there to help people
Speaker 1: in these situations.
Speaker 2: Because see, I couldn't res up in drag.
Speaker 1: That suggest you don't know. Well, people might be surprised.
Speaker 1: Maybe I do have what it takes to be a
Speaker 1: crime scene cleaner. So can you interview with me with
Speaker 1: some really key questions to see if I have what
Speaker 1: it takes to get down and clean things.
Speaker 2: Do you have a criminal record? No? Right, okay, that's one.
Speaker 1: That's one ticked out. All right, I'm almost through the door. Everyone.
Speaker 2: How are you with odor? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't smell that bad, so I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm really good smelling odor. Yep, a big tick. Ye.
Speaker 2: Have you got a clean license?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have lost your license? No?
Speaker 1: Never, Oh my god, it's good just getting now. I'm
Speaker 1: not a bad girl, am I I'm really good?
Speaker 2: Actually, how would you think you would be wearing ppe? Well,
Speaker 2: I figure, full BioSuit and full mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I figure I wear a lot of things
Speaker 1: as a drag queen. I've already got like four stockings.
Speaker 1: Of course it's sweaty. Yes, I'm used to being covered,
Speaker 1: so tick yep.
Speaker 2: And how is your attitude with people that are grieving?
Speaker 2: I'll laugh when people cry, don't dumn.
Speaker 1: So that was Jerry the trauma and crime scene Clina
Speaker 1: and years. Do you get it right? But you better
Speaker 1: not go cutting my grass because body fluids their mind.
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