Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload, the podcast last Speak Therebine, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: TV Reload, the podcast that gives you behind the scenes
Speaker 1: insights into your favorite TV shows. I'm your host, Ben Norris,
Speaker 1: and on this episode, I am joined by the brilliant
Speaker 1: Chris Marshall, the star of the hit series Beyond Paradise.
Speaker 1: If you haven't signed up to BritBox here in Australia,
Speaker 1: please do so. I've just joined the streaming service and
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit obsessed anyway. Chris joins me right
Speaker 1: here in Australia for a warm, hilarious chat about his
Speaker 1: TV series Beyond Paradise, which I would say is a
Speaker 1: comfort watch. We will unpack this cozy little crime show
Speaker 1: which strikes a nostalgic chord with fans, the joy of
Speaker 1: Humphrey Goodman, and how the series blends gentle humor with
Speaker 1: clever storytelling. You will hear us talk about the magic
Speaker 1: behind the show's music and location, why even Chris struggles
Speaker 1: to guess the killer even though he has the scripts,
Speaker 1: how the series balances standalone cases with deeper emotional story arcs,
Speaker 1: and yes, of course I will talk to him a
Speaker 1: little bit about love. Actually, it's a relaxed, joyful chat
Speaker 1: with plenty of laughs and a few behind the scenes
Speaker 1: gems for fans of British television classic who've done it,
Speaker 1: or just really people who love great television. Let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Here is Chris Marshall. Hi Chris, we'll start again.
Speaker 2: How are you really good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm very good. Welcome to Australia. You just said to
Speaker 1: me before we started that you are in fact here
Speaker 1: in Australia, and I want to start by asking other
Speaker 1: people being nice to you.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know Australia and the colorius. Australian people are
Speaker 2: always wonderful to me. I know Australia really well. I've
Speaker 2: done a couple of movies here, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: been about sort of eight nine years since I was
Speaker 2: last here, and you've given me some rain to make
Speaker 2: myself feel at home. So my first time in an
Speaker 2: Australian winter. So, and I use the quote unquote winter
Speaker 2: because to me this is like spring. So I don't
Speaker 2: know what the temperatures like Melbourne a little colder, maybe much.
Speaker 1: Colder, like an actual fact, I was freezing this morning.
Speaker 1: The dog just turned around and went back inside the house,
Speaker 1: you know, and that never happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what temperature is freezing?
Speaker 1: Actually, it's not that bad, you know what. I am
Speaker 1: in a constant exaggerator, so just bear that in mind
Speaker 1: for the rest of the interview. But I'm always telling people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's two degrees. We're an actual fact. It's
Speaker 1: just the feels like temperature. But feels like this morning
Speaker 1: when I woke up with minus two. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty cold.
Speaker 1: I want to start by saying how much I love
Speaker 1: this show. My partner is genuinely obsessed with just horror movies,
Speaker 1: so getting him to watch anything at all that is
Speaker 1: not bloody disgusting is really hard. And we I was
Speaker 1: really nervous because he hadn't seen series one and series two,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, this, this could be an
Speaker 1: odd point to start series three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when it finished, he was like, we need
Speaker 1: to watch more of this. So we just plowed in
Speaker 1: and it's it's just fabulous. I love it.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, thank you. What's your partner's name.
Speaker 1: He's Ben, and I'm Ben. Just very easy for you.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Brilliant. Well, thank you Ben, and thank you Ben,
Speaker 2: because yeah, it's such a fun show to make, you know,
Speaker 2: we have such a laugh making it. To me, it's
Speaker 2: just obviously it comes from its mothership, Death and Paradise,
Speaker 2: you know, so it shares the sort of same DNA.
Speaker 2: But to me, it's a very unique show on its own.
Speaker 2: It needed to be otherwise there was no real point
Speaker 2: in making it, because you can't just transpose a show
Speaker 2: from the Caribbean to a slightly windier, colder version of
Speaker 2: it in the UK and not have its own DNA.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's such a great show to make,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's joyous.
Speaker 1: I feel like for me it's kind of this nostalgic
Speaker 1: warmth that comes from watching it. But I grew up
Speaker 1: watching ABC and Australia, which is at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty years ago, was just all English shows. So
Speaker 1: for me, my weekends was always inspecting more, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of midsummer murders, you know, that sort of trajectory,
Speaker 1: And this show to me is that kind of engaging
Speaker 1: show like that which makes me feel warm inside. You're
Speaker 1: solving some murders. So I don't want to make it
Speaker 1: sound like it's all sweet and lovely, but there's something
Speaker 1: very nostalgic and fun about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I call it murder with nice hair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, it's you know, it's I mean, obviously, the
Speaker 2: world we live in is quite bleak at the moment,
Speaker 2: and you know, there are a few issues kicking around
Speaker 2: and have been for a while, and we've had to
Speaker 2: deal with COVID and all that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people have had to sacrifice a lot.
Speaker 2: And to me, as much as I love the gritty, bloody,
Speaker 2: sort of handwringing dramas, there's something about something a bit
Speaker 2: more lighthearted that, like you said, Ben, it's nostalgic and
Speaker 2: it's sort of there's a warmth to it. And you know,
Speaker 2: I grew up in the eighties, you know, and we
Speaker 2: only had two three channels in the maybe four in
Speaker 2: the eighties. You know, we were fed. You know, those
Speaker 2: types of shows you mentioned before, but also the American
Speaker 2: shows and like Columbus and Rocket Files and you know
Speaker 2: Miss Marple. I know that's English, non American, but you know,
Speaker 2: Poiro and so and a less so with Prioro, but
Speaker 2: those other shows definitely had a sort of a slight
Speaker 2: tongue in cheekness about them. You know, I loved and
Speaker 2: your parents were fine with you watching it and used
Speaker 2: to watch it with you. And I have people coming
Speaker 2: up to me now who are now in their early twenties,
Speaker 2: and you know, and they come up to me and
Speaker 2: they say, look, you know, this is a death in Paradise,
Speaker 2: early death and Paradise. It is what I used to
Speaker 2: watch with my folks on a Friday, Thursday, Friday whenever
Speaker 2: it was on evening and so, and it was something
Speaker 2: we bonded over, and it would be it would be
Speaker 2: like a It would almost be interactive and collaborative because
Speaker 2: the family would try and work out the puzzle. And
Speaker 2: that really kind of warms my cockles, you know, because
Speaker 2: it really does ben because you know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: if you're doing something, I mean, obviously your make drama
Speaker 2: for yourself and for consumption of its ownness, but you
Speaker 2: also to hear that it actually starts to become part
Speaker 2: of people's life and how they bond with their own
Speaker 2: members of their own family. That really that takes it
Speaker 2: next level for me, and that really does improve the
Speaker 2: whole reasonless for doing it, and it means that means
Speaker 2: so much, and it's quite humbling.
Speaker 1: I love that I hear the theme song to like
Speaker 1: Murder she wrote, and it makes me think of my grandparents.
Speaker 1: There's this sort of memory of being able to sit
Speaker 1: around the lounge room and watch TV that we can
Speaker 1: all be a part of. And it's so funny we're
Speaker 1: talking about this show now decades later after that, and
Speaker 1: I can imagine people will further generations will be similar
Speaker 1: to this. They'll hear the theme song to this and
Speaker 1: feel at ease.
Speaker 2: And the music is such an important part of the
Speaker 2: show as well. I mean really the producers and myself
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, our composer is Magmus Fines,
Speaker 2: who is one of the best composers out there and
Speaker 2: also a member of the Fines dynasty, you know, while
Speaker 2: along with Ray and Joe Finds. You know, he's their brother.
Speaker 2: So he's such an integral part of the show because
Speaker 2: like music does, you know, it sort of immediately transports
Speaker 2: you back to a memory or a place where you
Speaker 2: listen to and heard and felt that music, and so
Speaker 2: music does that more than anything else in a way,
Speaker 2: even more than visual cues. I think the theme song
Speaker 2: is it's not just chosen ad hoc. It's not just
Speaker 2: thrown in there. It's really thought about because it is important,
Speaker 2: and I think it's you know, to be part of
Speaker 2: people's sort of fundamental viewing light that they share with
Speaker 2: their parents. It's why we do it.
Speaker 1: Some of the best shows, you think about the music
Speaker 1: and the location, and they're just as integral to the
Speaker 1: characters themselves. Think about shows like Sex and the City
Speaker 1: is a great example. You know, New York is a
Speaker 1: character of its own, and the score you just need
Speaker 1: to hear a little bit of that piano and you're
Speaker 1: transported into it. And I feel like that's something that
Speaker 1: this show does very well. It leans into that. Wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about whether or not you were really
Speaker 1: shit growing up with guessing who the murderers were while
Speaker 1: you're watching the show, because I was the shittest in
Speaker 1: our family. Sorry to keep swearing on the podcast.
Speaker 2: That's fine by me, and it will else would be
Speaker 2: offended at this point. Swearing as part of our vernacular.
Speaker 2: You know, I think the Brits and the Aussies have this.
Speaker 2: You know, we're like cousins, you know, we have this kindredness,
Speaker 2: this kindred spirits. I think and far more than necessarily
Speaker 2: the Americans, you know, much as I love the Americans,
Speaker 2: you know, the Britain and Naussies have the similarize a humor.
Speaker 1: How good were you working out who the bad guy was,
Speaker 1: who the murderer was when you're growing up watching?
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't particularly good when I was growing up then,
Speaker 2: and I'm not particularly good now either. And I mean
Speaker 2: I literally have the script in front of me and
Speaker 2: I still can't really work it out. I go back
Speaker 2: on the script because you know, when I first started
Speaker 2: reading the scripts for Beyond Paradise and Death in Paradise,
Speaker 2: it's a typical actor thing. You read just to see
Speaker 2: how many lines and what storyline you've got, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I make a joke, and it is it
Speaker 2: is a joke. It's a joke because it's sort of
Speaker 2: a half truth. Most actors read scripts and go bullshit, bullshit,
Speaker 2: my line, my line, my line, bullshit. So it's true.
Speaker 1: I know. I've got friends that are actors, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but how do you know you're supposed to like? What
Speaker 1: about the inflections and the tone based on their like? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to tell you that we are
Speaker 1: but we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: What do I do? What do I do? How? In
Speaker 2: several am I to the story? So I just.
Speaker 1: Imagine your one set going is it this guy? And
Speaker 1: they're all like, you read the script right literally?
Speaker 2: But I mean, but now I make a bit more
Speaker 2: of an valiant effort to just actually read the plot,
Speaker 2: okay and work out who the murderer is. And I
Speaker 2: have to say, I am utterly shit at it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I really am. I mean, I'm just I'm terrible at it.
Speaker 2: And and you know, I'm not on social media, but
Speaker 2: but I maintain a sort of shadowy presence on it
Speaker 2: when when I tend to sort of look at the
Speaker 2: threads and the the timeline, when when when the show's
Speaker 2: going out, and I am amazed at how brilliant the
Speaker 2: audience are, you know, because the puzzles, the clues are
Speaker 2: there if you're looking for them, and I'm amazed at
Speaker 2: how good they are, not just the who, but the
Speaker 2: why and the how as well. And I'm really that's
Speaker 2: I'm shocking at it. I'm so bad at it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I don't write this thing because it would
Speaker 2: be like Scooby Doo. It would be it would be terrible.
Speaker 1: So I've got this training now from growing up with it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not joking when I said that, I was trying,
Speaker 1: like I was brought up watching these sorts of crime dramas.
Speaker 1: But with the first episode of series three was happening
Speaker 1: and my partner was so invested, and I just said,
Speaker 1: straight up, I said, about ten minutes into it, this
Speaker 1: is who did it, which turns out to be correct
Speaker 1: for viewers at home that have not seen this yet.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I got it in ten minutes,
Speaker 1: which I'm very really proud of, which I'm bringing up
Speaker 1: at the podcast.
Speaker 2: Did you get the thing is though? Because did you
Speaker 2: get the how and the why? Because I think I
Speaker 2: mean this. I mean there's a couple of episodes, especially
Speaker 2: in season three, I think, where it can only be
Speaker 2: one of two people or you know, or maybe even
Speaker 2: one person. I'm thinking specifically about the first episode. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's a spoiler.
Speaker 1: I hope that. I was listening to all your interviews
Speaker 1: this morning that you've been doing around the country all right,
Speaker 1: and you've actually dropped spoilers that ruin things. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: Chris is really good at this press stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm I'm going into
Speaker 2: trouble about it all the time, mate, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: oh man, honestly, I'm yeah. I mean I've been. I've
Speaker 2: had so many dressing downs, behind doors, behind closed doors.
Speaker 2: With the amount of spoilers, I'm dropping all over the place.
Speaker 2: I need some sort of more media training, I think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, but it's you know, it's who is
Speaker 2: not necessarily the hardest part of it, I think, although
Speaker 2: that is fun. The fun part as well is the
Speaker 2: how and the why and when people get that as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm constantly in aura them, really because I
Speaker 2: just don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1: I heard they work backwards. I read this, I watched
Speaker 1: and I didn't read this, but that makes me sound
Speaker 1: way too intelligent. I watched a documentary on how original
Speaker 1: murder mysteries were always written backwards. They had the ending,
Speaker 1: they knew who it was, so they go backwards and
Speaker 1: then they can pepper the stuff in. So I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of the genre. And I then read, sorry, read,
Speaker 1: I keep saying that when it's not true in actual fact,
Speaker 1: if in the process of shooting a movie or a
Speaker 1: TV series, where they decide to change who the murder is,
Speaker 1: which sometimes has happened with the network. The network's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it should be this. They were
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that the show never works, you know,
Speaker 1: it's actually not good in the process of putting these
Speaker 1: sorts of shows together to whever change who did it
Speaker 1: in the you know, in the process because it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense because the writer has obviously written it backwards.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I mean, to me, that seems harder,
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Like something backwards that's like saying the alphabet
Speaker 2: backwards is much harder than saying it the right way.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I get Christie walked backwards. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where Now there's a show. There's a show,
Speaker 2: Miss Marvel, but miss Sepper up.
Speaker 1: Joe. It's really great about season three as well. And
Speaker 1: I want to say this because there might be people
Speaker 1: listening to my podcast that will have not seen the show.
Speaker 1: And I felt watching the series was really funny because
Speaker 1: I think people jumping in at this point they don't
Speaker 1: need to know too much. Like it's it's the subtlety
Speaker 1: of the continuum of this character and this story is
Speaker 1: Pepper throughout the series, so we do fall in love
Speaker 1: with you and your story, but the episodes are still
Speaker 1: quite contained, you know. So my partner was probably spoiled
Speaker 1: by going, oh, they're looking to foster someone, and then
Speaker 1: went back to the series one and saw you lose
Speaker 1: a baby, which was traumatic. But it's interesting to I
Speaker 1: think for people to jump in at this point not
Speaker 1: feel worried or need to go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, and I think, you know, that's part
Speaker 2: of his strength. And also I think also it's I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's done on purpose or not,
Speaker 2: because they are standalone episodes, and I think they are
Speaker 2: both things you know, you can drift in and out
Speaker 2: of it and still kind of keep abreast of what's
Speaker 2: going on. But also they are they work on different
Speaker 2: levels as well, in terms of the story the more
Speaker 2: emotional storylines, you know, and storylines where I don't know,
Speaker 2: for example, you know, the fostering storyline and the IVF
Speaker 2: storyline from season one, you know, And I think that's
Speaker 2: its strength as well. I think that it's both those things.
Speaker 2: There's stuff there if you want to just binge watch it,
Speaker 2: but then also if you're watching it as it's being transmitted.
Speaker 2: People still do that then, you know, or you're watching
Speaker 2: it on catch up or whatever, you know, you can
Speaker 2: just dip in and out as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's interesting that you're on a show
Speaker 1: now that's so popular that when I was doing the
Speaker 1: research for this, I read people complaining in Australia that
Speaker 1: we're delayed. We get it, like I can't remember the
Speaker 1: exact amount of time, but you know you're on a
Speaker 1: good show when the complaint is we ain't getting it
Speaker 1: fast enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, us is the same as well. Actually, so I've
Speaker 2: read a couple of those complaints myself. Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: our season three ended about two three weeks ago, so yeah,
Speaker 2: so a few weeks behind the UK, but not too
Speaker 2: much really, and we begin filming again soon. I think
Speaker 2: I've got another spoiler that so.
Speaker 1: I will hit that up into Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: So was that?
Speaker 1: And that after Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: I'll recording again and sat in a big red chair. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So we get filming in there about a month so
Speaker 2: on season four, so we're so there's loads more coming.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I like about talking to someone
Speaker 1: like you who's now synonymous with this particular character is
Speaker 1: what you think of this guy? Like would you be
Speaker 1: friends with him? And like what would you would you
Speaker 1: offer this guy any advice? Like I always think it's
Speaker 1: funny when you read about like Jennifer Aniston and her
Speaker 1: problems with Rachel Green from friends. You know, I always
Speaker 1: find that really interesting, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I do like him. I like him
Speaker 2: as a person, and I've always tried to all throughout
Speaker 2: his tenure really both in Beyond Them and death is is.
Speaker 2: I've always tried to keep him disarming and yet armed
Speaker 2: at the same time. So never wanted to become any
Speaker 2: kind in any kind of a way a cynic, you know,
Speaker 2: because I think if you take if you become cynical.
Speaker 2: And I struggle with this sometimes because you know, I
Speaker 2: never know how much he knows when he when he's
Speaker 2: when he says he doesn't know, or how how early
Speaker 2: on in the process he works it out and is
Speaker 2: the rest of the time is he toying with them?
Speaker 2: Is he trying to just drive the final nail into
Speaker 2: their proverbial coughin? You know, I'm sort of It's confusing
Speaker 2: for me, and I constantly deviate really between different ideas
Speaker 2: of where he is and how much is an affectation
Speaker 2: and how much is pure intuition. So I don't know
Speaker 2: myself really the answer to that, I think I like
Speaker 2: to keep it like, I don't know, because I would
Speaker 2: hate him to become cynical. But I like the I
Speaker 2: love the fact how I think I've settled on the
Speaker 2: fact that he knows pretty early on, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: know how, and he doesn't know why, and so much
Speaker 2: like the audience, so I think he then enjoys the
Speaker 2: game and the puzzle because of that. It gives him
Speaker 2: a sort of playfulness which I really love. I don't
Speaker 2: think I could give him any advice. Maybe stop wearing
Speaker 2: linen because it's I mean, they're not the most I mean,
Speaker 2: linen is not the most flattering of materials, you know,
Speaker 2: so so you know, for me, go for a bit
Speaker 2: more cut, my friend, that would be better. But but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: But as a as a person, I love his his naivety,
Speaker 2: his openness, and its moral compass as well. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, he's definitely got a lot more morality than
Speaker 2: I do. He's a kinder person than I am. I
Speaker 2: think I think he's a kind of person the most.
Speaker 1: Been pretty fine today. I don't know have I got
Speaker 1: you on a good day.
Speaker 2: You're like sort of like some evil twin of sort
Speaker 2: of evil doppel ganger, sort of like that he's the
Speaker 2: angel and I'm the devil on the other side of
Speaker 2: the shoulder.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I put yourself into these characters
Speaker 1: in a way as well.
Speaker 2: I'm just a bit more cynical than he is, you know,
Speaker 2: and a bit more cynicorn.
Speaker 1: That's what you've said, you don't want him to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, I don't want him to
Speaker 2: be more like me. I think I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sort of I'm sort of blastering over the correct
Speaker 2: but you know, he's a delightful person to play because
Speaker 2: of his lack of darkness, and I think you know
Speaker 2: he played and you know it's I mean, I know,
Speaker 2: I'm predominantly known for my comedy characters and or more
Speaker 2: lighthearted characters, but you know I have, especially on stage,
Speaker 2: played darker characters and more malevolent characters, and they bleed
Speaker 2: into you. They do, especially when you're doing the mate
Speaker 2: is a week on stage for you know, the best
Speaker 2: part of six months. There is a certain dissimilation, you know,
Speaker 2: and they or osmosis, you know, they sort of they
Speaker 2: do bend, they sort of breathe into you know, they
Speaker 2: sort of infiltration, I think, and I think to play
Speaker 2: a character, and I think I've read other actors say
Speaker 2: this as well. You know, especially actors you're playing sort
Speaker 2: of the darker characters that you know, does it gets
Speaker 2: difficult because there's a certain amount of stuff you take
Speaker 2: home with you when you're playing a character for fourteen
Speaker 2: hours a day, five or six days a week. So yeah,
Speaker 2: So he's a delight to play like that, and so
Speaker 2: I walk very easily with him by my side, you know,
Speaker 2: which is good because I've played him for the best
Speaker 2: part of twelve years.
Speaker 1: So I love that this character is so fixated in
Speaker 1: my mind that you've watched the iconic character of Love
Speaker 1: actually sort of away, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Watching these character has made it harder
Speaker 1: for me, Like I haven't gone back and watched Love
Speaker 1: actually in a long time. So like, forgive me for
Speaker 1: maybe letting some of that go. But now this is
Speaker 1: who I think of you. I think of you as
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 2: That's lovely and Colin will always be. I mean, he's iconic,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's but he's of his time, definitely
Speaker 2: of his time. I mean, you could never make that movie.
Speaker 1: Now, But I mean you could just pick up the character.
Speaker 1: Forgive me if I'm out of tap with maybe I
Speaker 1: don't get this all right, But he could be over
Speaker 1: in the US getting a divorce from one of those
Speaker 1: ladies that he was hooking up with in that scene,
Speaker 1: and he could be coming to Australia because he's heard
Speaker 1: that Aussie chicks are what's a good word, I'm gay,
Speaker 1: So I sound terrible when I say, what's a good
Speaker 1: word for hot? Chick'm terrible? The Gaussie chicks are hot.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, you know I'm
Speaker 2: not walking that rope.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm married as well, so you know I'm not.
Speaker 1: You don't want to say anything either, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean I can't.
Speaker 2: I've been married fifteen years, you know, so you know
Speaker 2: I got off a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I'll send that to them if they decided to go
Speaker 1: and do its equal to them.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know. The thing is,
Speaker 2: I'm not That's the point I think I'm trying to
Speaker 2: make is that I'm not sure if Colin would be
Speaker 2: able to do that anymore without some sort of journey
Speaker 2: of redemption, you know, and sort of you know, he's
Speaker 2: a number arc of redemption where where he fails and
Speaker 2: suddenly realizes that you know, they're not chicks, they're they're
Speaker 2: they're beautifully equal beings of you know, and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and you know, a modern slant on it,
Speaker 2: which is, you know, not wrong and not right and
Speaker 2: not you know, any of those things. But I just
Speaker 2: think that the way things are made these days, he's
Speaker 2: definitely love Actually, it was a film of its time.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't days, i think, and the character of Colin
Speaker 2: was very much the same. But it's a joke, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was it's it's the joke is on
Speaker 2: him in a way, and it's and it's a trope,
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's a trope that you know, a British
Speaker 2: accent open. There's a lot of doors in the uass
Speaker 2: and so does an Aussie accent. You know. That's hence
Speaker 2: the joke, you know, that's why Richard wrote the character.
Speaker 2: I think so. And he's a part of my career
Speaker 2: and part of a very important part of my career.
Speaker 2: But it's also you know, it's a joy that I
Speaker 2: have had the opportunity to wash him away. As you said,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: That's great. I'm out of time and I'm about to
Speaker 1: get myself in trouble, and I hate cutting people off
Speaker 1: because I always feel like the best things that people
Speaker 1: give you is the stuff that comes off the back
Speaker 1: of the question. So I'm sorry for sort of cutting
Speaker 1: it down, but I leave the podcast with I always
Speaker 1: ask behind the scenes question, what's something from behind the scenes?
Speaker 1: And I was curious because I want something about this show.
Speaker 1: And I was also after deep diving and watching so
Speaker 1: many of your interviews and seeing different hairstyles, I was
Speaker 1: curious about you have to wring them and say, by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm growing my hair out or I'm cutting
Speaker 1: it short, Like are you allowed to make those decisions
Speaker 1: without having tosult the A team?
Speaker 2: You mean during filming?
Speaker 1: No, not not just just like off season.
Speaker 2: You know you'll know, Yeah, I mean, you know, and
Speaker 2: I've got a mustache at the moment, and yeah, mush.
Speaker 1: Because your hair is very beautiful at the moment. Is
Speaker 1: that just to make sure that people know that you're
Speaker 1: a man like.
Speaker 2: I think you know? But also it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: it's sort of it's one of those things you know,
Speaker 2: you spend six months of the year sort of because
Speaker 2: of continuity, you know as well, you know, and also
Speaker 2: as a guy, as you know, as I'm sure you're aware,
Speaker 2: shaving bugs me. It bugs me. I hate I hate
Speaker 2: the daily shave, you know, and you know, I just
Speaker 2: to me that sort of personal topiary that you have
Speaker 2: to do, this thing you have to go through every
Speaker 2: day that you know, I just and six months are
Speaker 2: sitting in a makeup chair at six o'clock every morning,
Speaker 2: having a shave, you know, at the continuity haircut every
Speaker 2: week as my hair grows quick, and I just sort
Speaker 2: of turn into this hobo. Basically in my off season
Speaker 2: where Grug do you remember?
Speaker 1: You're like in the off season, Grug, do you remember Grug?
Speaker 1: He was like just this hairball. Maybe Grug's the.
Speaker 2: UK we got Stick of the dump.
Speaker 1: Just say they're the same person.
Speaker 2: It is, Uh, that's my touchstone, man.
Speaker 1: But I've literally trained myself to not make any noise
Speaker 1: with laughing anymore when I'm doing these podcasts because it
Speaker 1: ruins the podcast. And now in real life I find
Speaker 1: that I'm laughing at people's jokes with no sound coming
Speaker 1: out laughter. For people are looking at me like, the
Speaker 1: fuck is coming with this guy? Why have you notice
Speaker 1: that Ben's been laughing with no sound?
Speaker 2: Why can't he vocalizes laughter?
Speaker 1: Because this is like episode five hundred and fifty. I
Speaker 1: worked out in the early hundreds. But if I was
Speaker 1: laughing over the top of these people that I I
Speaker 1: was cutting them off. So now I'm this I'm a
Speaker 1: mute laughter. Anyway, I've literally lost my mind. What a
Speaker 1: great way to end this podcast. Enjoy your time in Australia.
Speaker 1: I just waited so much for being so generous with
Speaker 1: your time and talking with me about this show. And
Speaker 1: I hope that people are listening to this who haven't
Speaker 1: seen it give it a shot, and for the people
Speaker 1: who are invested. Season three is very good, animating.
Speaker 2: Oh Ben, thank you. I've had the best time. Thank you.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah you say that every time.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, I've absolutely loved it. And you know, hello
Speaker 2: to everyone in Australia. I love Australia. I've had a
Speaker 2: great time there over the years and and hopefully continue
Speaker 2: to have them any more.
Speaker 1: Have the best time. Yeah, enjoy really good show, Thank
Speaker 1: you again.
Speaker 2: Amazing Thanks Ben,