WEBVTT - KRIS MARSHALL -BEYOND PARADISE- BRIT BOX 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.640 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.280 TV Reload, the podcast last Speak Therebine, Welcome back to 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.640 TV Reload, the podcast that gives you behind the scenes 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.360 insights into your favorite TV shows. I'm your host, Ben Norris, 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.120 and on this episode, I am joined by the brilliant 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.520 Chris Marshall, the star of the hit series Beyond Paradise. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.200 If you haven't signed up to BritBox here in Australia, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.200 please do so. I've just joined the streaming service and 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.160 I'm a little bit obsessed anyway. Chris joins me right 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.800 here in Australia for a warm, hilarious chat about his 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.960 TV series Beyond Paradise, which I would say is a 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.280 comfort watch. We will unpack this cozy little crime show 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.360 which strikes a nostalgic chord with fans, the joy of 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.879 Humphrey Goodman, and how the series blends gentle humor with 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.240 clever storytelling. You will hear us talk about the magic 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.440 behind the show's music and location, why even Chris struggles 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.840 to guess the killer even though he has the scripts, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.600 how the series balances standalone cases with deeper emotional story arcs, 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.680 and yes, of course I will talk to him a 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.120 little bit about love. Actually, it's a relaxed, joyful chat 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.200 with plenty of laughs and a few behind the scenes 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.399 gems for fans of British television classic who've done it, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.880 or just really people who love great television. Let's get 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.399 into it. Here is Chris Marshall. Hi Chris, we'll start again. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.920 How are you really good? How are you? 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.399 I'm very good. Welcome to Australia. You just said to 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.080 me before we started that you are in fact here 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.600 in Australia, and I want to start by asking other 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:29.640 people being nice to you. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.040 Oh, you know Australia and the colorius. Australian people are 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.840 always wonderful to me. I know Australia really well. I've 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.319 done a couple of movies here, and you know, it's 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.560 been about sort of eight nine years since I was 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.319 last here, and you've given me some rain to make 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.360 myself feel at home. So my first time in an 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.559 Australian winter. So, and I use the quote unquote winter 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.120 because to me this is like spring. So I don't 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.040 know what the temperatures like Melbourne a little colder, maybe much. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.520 Colder, like an actual fact, I was freezing this morning. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.360 The dog just turned around and went back inside the house, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:08.720 you know, and that never happens. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.360 Yeah, but what temperature is freezing? 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.040 Actually, it's not that bad, you know what. I am 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.399 in a constant exaggerator, so just bear that in mind 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.680 for the rest of the interview. But I'm always telling people. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.839 I'm like, it's two degrees. We're an actual fact. It's 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.679 just the feels like temperature. But feels like this morning 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.560 when I woke up with minus two. So there you go. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.120 Okay, that's pretty cold. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.000 I want to start by saying how much I love 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.880 this show. My partner is genuinely obsessed with just horror movies, 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.720 so getting him to watch anything at all that is 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.919 not bloody disgusting is really hard. And we I was 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.560 really nervous because he hadn't seen series one and series two, 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.560 and so I was like, this, this could be an 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.040 odd point to start series three. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:44.640 Yeah. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.480 Yeah, And when it finished, he was like, we need 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.760 to watch more of this. So we just plowed in 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.280 and it's it's just fabulous. I love it. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.480 Oh, thank you so much, thank you. What's your partner's name. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.680 He's Ben, and I'm Ben. Just very easy for you. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.119 That's amazing. Brilliant. Well, thank you Ben, and thank you Ben, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.200 because yeah, it's such a fun show to make, you know, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.000 we have such a laugh making it. To me, it's 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.040 just obviously it comes from its mothership, Death and Paradise, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.600 you know, so it shares the sort of same DNA. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.240 But to me, it's a very unique show on its own. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.440 It needed to be otherwise there was no real point 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.040 in making it, because you can't just transpose a show 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.520 from the Caribbean to a slightly windier, colder version of 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.960 it in the UK and not have its own DNA. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.320 So yeah, but it's such a great show to make, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.720 and yeah, it's joyous. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.400 I feel like for me it's kind of this nostalgic 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.880 warmth that comes from watching it. But I grew up 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.560 watching ABC and Australia, which is at that time, you know, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.960 twenty thirty years ago, was just all English shows. So 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.520 for me, my weekends was always inspecting more, you know, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.279 sort of midsummer murders, you know, that sort of trajectory, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.000 And this show to me is that kind of engaging 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.360 show like that which makes me feel warm inside. You're 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.440 solving some murders. So I don't want to make it 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.640 sound like it's all sweet and lovely, but there's something 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.800 very nostalgic and fun about it. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.760 Yeah, I mean I call it murder with nice hair. Yeah. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.440 To me, it's you know, it's I mean, obviously, the 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.680 world we live in is quite bleak at the moment, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.800 and you know, there are a few issues kicking around 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.159 and have been for a while, and we've had to 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.240 deal with COVID and all that kind of stuff, and 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.320 a lot of people have had to sacrifice a lot. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.040 And to me, as much as I love the gritty, bloody, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.800 sort of handwringing dramas, there's something about something a bit 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.200 more lighthearted that, like you said, Ben, it's nostalgic and 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.200 it's sort of there's a warmth to it. And you know, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.480 I grew up in the eighties, you know, and we 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.760 only had two three channels in the maybe four in 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.080 the eighties. You know, we were fed. You know, those 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.039 types of shows you mentioned before, but also the American 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.200 shows and like Columbus and Rocket Files and you know 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.240 Miss Marple. I know that's English, non American, but you know, 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.479 Poiro and so and a less so with Prioro, but 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.119 those other shows definitely had a sort of a slight 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.080 tongue in cheekness about them. You know, I loved and 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.600 your parents were fine with you watching it and used 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.839 to watch it with you. And I have people coming 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.640 up to me now who are now in their early twenties, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.640 and you know, and they come up to me and 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.880 they say, look, you know, this is a death in Paradise, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.080 early death and Paradise. It is what I used to 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.440 watch with my folks on a Friday, Thursday, Friday whenever 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.239 it was on evening and so, and it was something 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.760 we bonded over, and it would be it would be 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.800 like a It would almost be interactive and collaborative because 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.400 the family would try and work out the puzzle. And 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.440 that really kind of warms my cockles, you know, because 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.800 it really does ben because you know, it's you know, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.440 if you're doing something, I mean, obviously your make drama 0:05:55.560 --> 0:06:00.560 for yourself and for consumption of its ownness, but you 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.679 also to hear that it actually starts to become part 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.719 of people's life and how they bond with their own 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.800 members of their own family. That really that takes it 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.839 next level for me, and that really does improve the 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.320 whole reasonless for doing it, and it means that means 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.599 so much, and it's quite humbling. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.680 I love that I hear the theme song to like 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.000 Murder she wrote, and it makes me think of my grandparents. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.840 There's this sort of memory of being able to sit 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.760 around the lounge room and watch TV that we can 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.000 all be a part of. And it's so funny we're 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.440 talking about this show now decades later after that, and 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.760 I can imagine people will further generations will be similar 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.719 to this. They'll hear the theme song to this and 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:43.640 feel at ease. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.159 And the music is such an important part of the 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.799 show as well. I mean really the producers and myself 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.799 and you know, you know, our composer is Magmus Fines, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.560 who is one of the best composers out there and 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.080 also a member of the Fines dynasty, you know, while 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.200 along with Ray and Joe Finds. You know, he's their brother. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.159 So he's such an integral part of the show because 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.440 like music does, you know, it sort of immediately transports 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.920 you back to a memory or a place where you 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.840 listen to and heard and felt that music, and so 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.480 music does that more than anything else in a way, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.440 even more than visual cues. I think the theme song 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.480 is it's not just chosen ad hoc. It's not just 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.840 thrown in there. It's really thought about because it is important, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.120 and I think it's you know, to be part of 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:36.120 people's sort of fundamental viewing light that they share with 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:37.840 their parents. It's why we do it. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:39.960 Some of the best shows, you think about the music 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.360 and the location, and they're just as integral to the 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.720 characters themselves. Think about shows like Sex and the City 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.160 is a great example. You know, New York is a 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.760 character of its own, and the score you just need 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.640 to hear a little bit of that piano and you're 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.240 transported into it. And I feel like that's something that 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.160 this show does very well. It leans into that. Wanted 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.360 to ask you about whether or not you were really 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.880 shit growing up with guessing who the murderers were while 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.160 you're watching the show, because I was the shittest in 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.400 our family. Sorry to keep swearing on the podcast. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.920 That's fine by me, and it will else would be 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.120 offended at this point. Swearing as part of our vernacular. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.400 You know, I think the Brits and the Aussies have this. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.800 You know, we're like cousins, you know, we have this kindredness, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.000 this kindred spirits. I think and far more than necessarily 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.080 the Americans, you know, much as I love the Americans, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.720 you know, the Britain and Naussies have the similarize a humor. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.480 How good were you working out who the bad guy was, 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.280 who the murderer was when you're growing up watching? 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.280 Well, I wasn't particularly good when I was growing up then, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.319 and I'm not particularly good now either. And I mean 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.000 I literally have the script in front of me and 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.720 I still can't really work it out. I go back 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.720 on the script because you know, when I first started 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.640 reading the scripts for Beyond Paradise and Death in Paradise, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.200 it's a typical actor thing. You read just to see 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.160 how many lines and what storyline you've got, you know. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.280 I mean, I make a joke, and it is it 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.720 is a joke. It's a joke because it's sort of 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.440 a half truth. Most actors read scripts and go bullshit, bullshit, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:10.200 my line, my line, my line, bullshit. So it's true. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.240 I know. I've got friends that are actors, and I'm like, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.320 but how do you know you're supposed to like? What 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.680 about the inflections and the tone based on their like? Well, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.720 you know, I'd like to tell you that we are 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.120 but we're not doing that. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.120 What do I do? What do I do? How? In 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.120 several am I to the story? So I just. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.320 Imagine your one set going is it this guy? And 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.800 they're all like, you read the script right literally? 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.320 But I mean, but now I make a bit more 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.560 of an valiant effort to just actually read the plot, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.000 okay and work out who the murderer is. And I 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.920 have to say, I am utterly shit at it. I mean, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.119 I really am. I mean, I'm just I'm terrible at it. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.000 And and you know, I'm not on social media, but 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.360 but I maintain a sort of shadowy presence on it 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.199 when when I tend to sort of look at the 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.800 threads and the the timeline, when when when the show's 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.840 going out, and I am amazed at how brilliant the 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.640 audience are, you know, because the puzzles, the clues are 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.280 there if you're looking for them, and I'm amazed at 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.760 how good they are, not just the who, but the 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.400 why and the how as well. And I'm really that's 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.040 I'm shocking at it. I'm so bad at it. I mean, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.360 I'm glad I don't write this thing because it would 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.200 be like Scooby Doo. It would be it would be terrible. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.400 So I've got this training now from growing up with it. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.480 Like I'm not joking when I said that, I was trying, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.720 like I was brought up watching these sorts of crime dramas. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.880 But with the first episode of series three was happening 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.840 and my partner was so invested, and I just said, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.840 straight up, I said, about ten minutes into it, this 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.920 is who did it, which turns out to be correct 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.760 for viewers at home that have not seen this yet. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.800 Just so you know, I got it in ten minutes, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.360 which I'm very really proud of, which I'm bringing up 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:53.120 at the podcast. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.439 Did you get the thing is though? Because did you 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.600 get the how and the why? Because I think I 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.400 mean this. I mean there's a couple of episodes, especially 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.120 in season three, I think, where it can only be 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.640 one of two people or you know, or maybe even 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:13.439 one person. I'm thinking specifically about the first episode. I 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.720 don't think that's a spoiler. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 I hope that. I was listening to all your interviews 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.280 this morning that you've been doing around the country all right, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.360 and you've actually dropped spoilers that ruin things. I was like, Wow, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.439 Chris is really good at this press stuff. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.400 Yeah, No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm I'm going into 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.080 trouble about it all the time, mate, I mean, honestly, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.240 oh man, honestly, I'm yeah. I mean I've been. I've 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.520 had so many dressing downs, behind doors, behind closed doors. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.520 With the amount of spoilers, I'm dropping all over the place. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.520 I need some sort of more media training, I think. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.360 But yeah, no, but it's you know, it's who is 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.200 not necessarily the hardest part of it, I think, although 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.360 that is fun. The fun part as well is the 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.480 how and the why and when people get that as well. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.800 I mean, I'm constantly in aura them, really because I 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.000 just don't know how they do it. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.520 I heard they work backwards. I read this, I watched 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.200 and I didn't read this, but that makes me sound 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:12.800 way too intelligent. I watched a documentary on how original 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.520 murder mysteries were always written backwards. They had the ending, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.600 they knew who it was, so they go backwards and 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.680 then they can pepper the stuff in. So I think 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.080 that's kind of the genre. And I then read, sorry, read, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.839 I keep saying that when it's not true in actual fact, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.280 if in the process of shooting a movie or a 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.120 TV series, where they decide to change who the murder is, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.720 which sometimes has happened with the network. The network's like, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.120 you know, I think it should be this. They were 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.640 talking about the fact that the show never works, you know, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.240 it's actually not good in the process of putting these 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.839 sorts of shows together to whever change who did it 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.480 in the you know, in the process because it doesn't 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.240 make sense because the writer has obviously written it backwards. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.200 I didn't know that. I mean, to me, that seems harder, 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.560 doesn't it, Like something backwards that's like saying the alphabet 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.400 backwards is much harder than saying it the right way. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.040 I mean, maybe I get Christie walked backwards. I don't know. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.040 Maybe that's where Now there's a show. There's a show, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.400 Miss Marvel, but miss Sepper up. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.520 Joe. It's really great about season three as well. And 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.240 I want to say this because there might be people 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.200 listening to my podcast that will have not seen the show. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.600 And I felt watching the series was really funny because 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.120 I think people jumping in at this point they don't 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.359 need to know too much. Like it's it's the subtlety 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.480 of the continuum of this character and this story is 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.920 Pepper throughout the series, so we do fall in love 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.000 with you and your story, but the episodes are still 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.840 quite contained, you know. So my partner was probably spoiled 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.080 by going, oh, they're looking to foster someone, and then 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.040 went back to the series one and saw you lose 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.360 a baby, which was traumatic. But it's interesting to I 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.840 think for people to jump in at this point not 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.040 feel worried or need to go back. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.040 Yeah, I think, and I think, you know, that's part 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.440 of his strength. And also I think also it's I mean, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:02.720 I don't know if it's done on purpose or not, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.240 because they are standalone episodes, and I think they are 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.280 both things you know, you can drift in and out 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.440 of it and still kind of keep abreast of what's 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.080 going on. But also they are they work on different 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.560 levels as well, in terms of the story the more 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.120 emotional storylines, you know, and storylines where I don't know, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.640 for example, you know, the fostering storyline and the IVF 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.120 storyline from season one, you know, And I think that's 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.360 its strength as well. I think that it's both those things. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.920 There's stuff there if you want to just binge watch it, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.160 but then also if you're watching it as it's being transmitted. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.040 People still do that then, you know, or you're watching 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.200 it on catch up or whatever, you know, you can 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:44.640 just dip in and out as well. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.600 Yeah. I think it's interesting that you're on a show 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.400 now that's so popular that when I was doing the 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.080 research for this, I read people complaining in Australia that 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.880 we're delayed. We get it, like I can't remember the 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.720 exact amount of time, but you know you're on a 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.200 good show when the complaint is we ain't getting it 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:58.880 fast enough. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.320 Yeah, us is the same as well. Actually, so I've 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.680 read a couple of those complaints myself. Yeah. I think 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.160 our season three ended about two three weeks ago, so yeah, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:17.120 so a few weeks behind the UK, but not too 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.280 much really, and we begin filming again soon. I think 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.200 I've got another spoiler that so. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.080 I will hit that up into Daily Mail. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:25.080 So was that? 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.720 And that after Daily Mail. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.560 I'll recording again and sat in a big red chair. Yeah, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.080 So we get filming in there about a month so 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.280 on season four, so we're so there's loads more coming. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.560 Do you know what I like about talking to someone 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.120 like you who's now synonymous with this particular character is 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:46.920 what you think of this guy? Like would you be 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.520 friends with him? And like what would you would you 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.720 offer this guy any advice? Like I always think it's 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.600 funny when you read about like Jennifer Aniston and her 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.920 problems with Rachel Green from friends. You know, I always 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.680 find that really interesting, you know. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.000 I mean, yeah, I do like him. I like him 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.840 as a person, and I've always tried to all throughout 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.080 his tenure really both in Beyond Them and death is is. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.320 I've always tried to keep him disarming and yet armed 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.320 at the same time. So never wanted to become any 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.600 kind in any kind of a way a cynic, you know, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.400 because I think if you take if you become cynical. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.440 And I struggle with this sometimes because you know, I 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.880 never know how much he knows when he when he's 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.640 when he says he doesn't know, or how how early 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.840 on in the process he works it out and is 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.680 the rest of the time is he toying with them? 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.680 Is he trying to just drive the final nail into 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.880 their proverbial coughin? You know, I'm sort of It's confusing 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:47.320 for me, and I constantly deviate really between different ideas 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.000 of where he is and how much is an affectation 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.920 and how much is pure intuition. So I don't know 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.720 myself really the answer to that, I think I like 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.520 to keep it like, I don't know, because I would 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.399 hate him to become cynical. But I like the I 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.879 love the fact how I think I've settled on the 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.320 fact that he knows pretty early on, but he doesn't 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.880 know how, and he doesn't know why, and so much 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.719 like the audience, so I think he then enjoys the 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.160 game and the puzzle because of that. It gives him 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.160 a sort of playfulness which I really love. I don't 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.760 think I could give him any advice. Maybe stop wearing 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:31.280 linen because it's I mean, they're not the most I mean, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.359 linen is not the most flattering of materials, you know, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.600 so so you know, for me, go for a bit 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.320 more cut, my friend, that would be better. But but yeah, no, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.360 But as a as a person, I love his his naivety, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.560 his openness, and its moral compass as well. I think, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.239 you know, he's definitely got a lot more morality than 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.840 I do. He's a kinder person than I am. I 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.200 think I think he's a kind of person the most. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.480 Been pretty fine today. I don't know have I got 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:03.200 you on a good day. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:08.080 You're like sort of like some evil twin of sort 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.119 of evil doppel ganger, sort of like that he's the 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.480 angel and I'm the devil on the other side of 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:14.000 the shoulder. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.520 But you know, like I put yourself into these characters 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:17.359 in a way as well. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.040 I'm just a bit more cynical than he is, you know, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.680 and a bit more cynicorn. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:24.399 That's what you've said, you don't want him to be. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.199 Yeah, I know, I know, I don't want him to 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.120 be more like me. I think I don't know. I mean, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.560 I'm sort of I'm sort of blastering over the correct 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.399 but you know, he's a delightful person to play because 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.919 of his lack of darkness, and I think you know 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.760 he played and you know it's I mean, I know, 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.960 I'm predominantly known for my comedy characters and or more 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.400 lighthearted characters, but you know I have, especially on stage, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.800 played darker characters and more malevolent characters, and they bleed 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.920 into you. They do, especially when you're doing the mate 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.760 is a week on stage for you know, the best 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.760 part of six months. There is a certain dissimilation, you know, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.280 and they or osmosis, you know, they sort of they 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.440 do bend, they sort of breathe into you know, they 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:17.040 sort of infiltration, I think, and I think to play 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.200 a character, and I think I've read other actors say 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.960 this as well. You know, especially actors you're playing sort 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.640 of the darker characters that you know, does it gets 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.840 difficult because there's a certain amount of stuff you take 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.560 home with you when you're playing a character for fourteen 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.359 hours a day, five or six days a week. So yeah, 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.600 So he's a delight to play like that, and so 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.199 I walk very easily with him by my side, you know, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:42.840 which is good because I've played him for the best 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:43.760 part of twelve years. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.679 So I love that this character is so fixated in 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.760