WEBVTT - GO BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE VOICE AUSTRALIA 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.120 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.600 on this podcast, I'll be going behind the scenes with 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.799 the biggest players in television. This week, I had huge 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.040 success with my midweek episode. I was lucky enough to 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.080 have a chat with Doris Unay, who is from Paramount 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.400 Plus's series Five Bedrooms. Doris has a unique turn of 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.960 phrase and I loved all the feedback from you guys 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.239 on Instagram and Twitter. What a cracker of an episode. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.280 The pop up episodes will continue next week is I 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.480 have one of my favorite Wentworth actresses joining to talk 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:35.080 about the final series called The Final Sentence, So another actress, 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.200 but I will have more presenters and reality TV stars 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.320 coming up plus to celebrate the return of Wentworth, which 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.479 starts on August twenty fourth on Foxtel. I will have 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.920 one of the biggest master minds from behind the scenes 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.280 on the main episode. And as you know, I love 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.680 giving you a recommendation on a podcast, so check out Chickstree, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.440 which has ev Jones and Annie Potatoes discussing women in history. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.760 The guest this week was Kerrie Milligan from Gogglebox, and 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.480 he really knows how to tell a story. As for 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.480 what I've been watching on the box. I've seen the 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.959 first three episodes of Wentworth and it is so intense 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.200 that I actually had to put my head between my legs. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.400 So if you're a fan of the show, the final 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.720 series will not disappoint. As for ratings on Free to Wear, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.680 I've been loving The Voice Australia on Channel seven and 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 can pretty much attest to what audiences have been saying, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.119 which is this is the best series in ten years, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.920 which is an amazing get for Channel seven. I've also 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.199 been loving all the twists on Australian Survivor on Channel ten, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.640 and whilst the Purist seem to be at odds on 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.319 social media about this season, I think that all the 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.440 twists have been an improvement. Also for those keeping up 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.080 with the Block on Channel nine, the biggest scandal in 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.200 the show's history is about to explode, so I'm going 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.160 to talk a little bit more about that as the 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.120 show unfolds. This week on the podcast, I have Chloe 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.880 Baker and Lee Aaron Berry here to chat about The 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.480 Voice on Channel seven, which has been blitzing the ratings. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.880 Both Lee and Chloe work for ITV Studios and have 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.480 been rightfully lament the success of this season. We will 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.720 talk about why the show has resonated so well with audiences. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.320 We'll go behind the scenes and get some secrets from 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.920 the set. We'll get some goss on the coaches, and 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.919 we'll also find out how these young producers got their 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.079 start in the industry. Pretty sure they're going to love 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.919 me calling them young. Both took time away from their 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.120 current work, Chloe from Love Island Australia and Lee, who's 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.480 already working on the next two seasons of The Voice Australia. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.800 These guys are at the top of their game and 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.680 could not be more humble about their success. So I 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.880 really hope you enjoy their banter and their candor. However, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.280 let's get started with the executive producers from The Voice. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.240 I'd like to welcome Chloe and Lee to TV reload. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.520 I definitely think Australia just needs a big, warm hug. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.639 I'm listening for a voice that leaves me no choice 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:49.600 but to turn my hair. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.320 Sometimes people are hesitant to take part in a show 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:53.640 like this. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.520 Yek someone who stops me in my tracks and calls. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.680 Me in because it is reality TV. When I get that. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.040 Tingled feeling, I know something special is about to happen. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.880 It's hard to work on the Voice and not live 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:06.520 and breathe it. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.160 That's the most magical part. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:09.840 Ah, it's breath taking. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.839 Only put someone in a chair if they really want 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:13.280 to be there. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.280 How are you both of you? Both well? 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.280 Ye, really good, really excited to chat. It's a nice break, Chloe. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.280 Did you think that The Voice would be one of 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.239 the highest rating shows of twenty twenty one? 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.239 I definitely would say we had a special feeling about 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.040 the show. I think we're always nervous about ratings and 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.639 you never want to get too far ahead of yourself 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.880 because at one point, you know, I did have the 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:42.520 lowest launched television show in Australian television history. So I've 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.800 experienced the ultimate high with The Voice this series and 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.680 the ultimate low. But we definitely felt like there was 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.240 a different feel on camera and off and I think 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.320 Lee will be able to agree with me as well, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.880 like behind the scenes as well, we said it was 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.160 the best series we've ever ever had. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:59.240 Yeah, definitely. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.160 Are you allowed to say what the show was? What 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:02.240 was the lowest launch? 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.480 What was the last resort? It was on Channel nine? 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.120 It was actually a really good show. It was just 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.760 a it was a perfect storm. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:11.720 I would say. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.320 Maybe the general public just took it literally, you know, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.440 and they thought it was the last resort and so 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:17.599 they just didn't watch it. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:19.120 Do you know what? 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.359 I remember when Lee interviewed me for the job. Was 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.800 it five years ago or something like that. I just 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.000 had a baby. I was a real mess and an 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.480 absolute nightmare. And I went in and I said to him, oh, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.000 you know, I've had the success of the lowest rating 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.520 television debut in Australian history. I think it was like 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.200 four hundred and eighty two thousand or something like that, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.479 and he I always remember Lee saying to me, you 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.440 know what, it's really good because you need that grounding, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.280 because you know, you don't want to get too far 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.359 ahead of yourself. But I do remember when the ratings 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 came in that day, I sat in the bushes and cried. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.159 Put everything into a show, and for some reason, it 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.760 just doesn't connect. So it's great to be riding this 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.000 way at the moment. But I constantly whenever I see 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.839 the ratings come in, I'm always thinking of the other 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.880 two shows that we're compared to and thinking, I mean, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.600 it's not like those guys didn't work just as hard 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.560 as we did to make a TV show. It's just 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.360 that for some reason this time round, the voices resonated, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:15.400 you know, le, I. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.159 Know that people in the industry were saying that the 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.320 Olympics would have had an effect on the launch of 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.640 the series, but the show has maintained massive numbers. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.240 Yeah, I think that no one could ask for a 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.160 better launching pad than the Olympics, that's for sure. It 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.320 was like Choe said, there was something special about this 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.200 season and in making it, I think having some new 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.600 faces in the chairs really makes the show feel invigorated. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.520 That's always kind of been a staple of the shows. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.279 If you could change at least one coach over, people 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.240 want to come and see the coaches. But ultimately, I 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.799 think that even though it's competitive, there's some camaraderie between 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.080 this group of four that feels special. And then that 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.800 combined with just some incredible voices that we were found 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.800 were drawn to the show this year. That's all sort 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.480 of been the recipe. I think it's kept those numbers 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.200 where they are because, like you say, you can have 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.400 a big launch, and then did, But for some reason, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.040 everyone's chuming in night and night again, and the episodes 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.560 just they stay strong, don't they, Chloe. That's a great 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.760 thing about nine blind episodes and they all stay strong. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.400 You know what else I think is really special from 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.760 a coaching perspective is Jess Malboy. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:20.920 You know, she is such. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.400 A beautiful Australian talent and no one has ever seen 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.560 her the way you're seeing her on the show, and 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.080 I think that's something really special as well. 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.279 I totally know what it's like to work with a 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.520 dynamic of women, you know, all different harmonies, you know, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.599 coming together. So it was all about finding each other's 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.680 kind of groove and for me that was probably the 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.400 most eye opening for me being with strong women. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.400 Do you think the COVID's played into this because you're 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.799 up against the Block and Survivor, two very big, noisy 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.080 shows that really do rate. But there's a competitive nature 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.440 in that that can be you know, can create some conflict. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.360 This show doesn't have conflict really, so do you think 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.320 that that might be a reason why audiences are lapping 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:02.640 it up? 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.680 I definitely think right now Australia just needs a big, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.080 warm hug and this is what that show is. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:09.640 Actually. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.360 Last night I was working on Love Island Ford Planning, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.360 and I'd forgotten that the show was on, and my 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.680 phone started BP and I was looking at all the messages. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.080 And I was like, oh God, the show's on. So 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.120 I ran over and tended on. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.400 But the messages were just so positive, and you know, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.040 not only just from my mum, from other people as well, 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.040 saying I'm balling my eyes out, this is feel good TV. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.480 This is just what we needed right now. Actually, I should. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.520 Go into my Instagram and read you a message from 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.120 doing another TV producer. I won't say who it is, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.640 but she sent me a really great message last night 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.200 and she was like, thank God for your show, Chloe. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.960 It's the medicine in this hell fire we all need 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.320 right now. And I was like, she couldn't have said 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:51.680 it better. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.800 You know, I agree, Because as these shows launched, I 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.880 saw previews of all of them before they launched, before 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.200 I saw ratings, before we could talk about ratings. I 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.640 saw the three shows that were going head to head. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.920 And that's what the take home was was that I, 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.280 you know, walked away from that show just feeling like 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:07.720 it was a bit of a bit of something that 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.840 I needed, you know, Lee, I was just wondering, you know, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.679 do you get incentives as producers for these type of numbers? 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.720 You know, like these numbers are huge? Do they give 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:15.600 your cash bonus? 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.280 You know what I was just I was actually having 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.040 a conversation with another television producer I can't mention who 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.480 works at another company, who was like, you really should 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:31.000 have waited to negotiate. You're right, I wish we did. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.080 If only we worked in the eighties sleeping on pillows 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.280 full of money with these ratings. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.840 Oh I know, well, I was wondering whether or not 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.959 you guys would just storm into ITV studios and ask 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.440 Madi for your dream shows? Like do you go? 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.800 I'm so good now we're already working on the dream show. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.360 We've probably done the deal. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.680 Do either of you have a show though that you know, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.400 something like The Circle that was really big in America 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.760 and the UK. Is there something that you would love 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.040 to bring to Australia. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.440 I think that's not necessarily a specific show I'd like 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.760 to work on, but I definitely as I've worked in 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.520 reality television for quite a while and probably I would 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.080 say moved more into the entertainment world. I think the 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.720 creative side of television is what I really love, and 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.080 I've sort of learned that over time. I feel like 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:22.199 something that is either really creatively based. So even there 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.520 was a show that came up a couple of years 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.000 ago on Netflix, The Big Flower Fight, and I was 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:27.960 just like, that kind of stuff to me is like 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.600 super fun, nice, easy thing to make, but even kind 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.240 of good moving into drama and scripted drama and you know, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.600 the kind of stuff Ryan Murphy makes in the US. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:38.520 It'd be my dream. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:39.920 Chloe, what about you? 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.200 Not one that I'd love to bring to I mean, look, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.080 my background is as a journalist, so I was a 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.440 journalist for fifteen years and I did a lot of crime, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.959 so a mass consumer of true crime. I love all 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.720 of that sort of stuff. So to work on any 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.640 of that for me would be really enjoyable. But you know, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.839 in terms of shows, Skier the Voices is the epitome, 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.840 really But I would really like to work on a 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.320 dance show with Lee because I know he did so 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.240 you think you can dance in the past, and I 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.760 was actually I was thinking about it the other day. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.200 I mean, that would just be next level. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.480 I'll bring that bass and see if net bass is 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.280 still king to do another. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.000 I was like choreographing dancers for the contestants. I honestly 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.680 thought that I was a dancer. I clearly have unfulfilled 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:26.400 potential there. 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.520 Well, we've only got forty five minutes. Otherwise I would 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.160 have got you to dance to see what it was like. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.240 So you know, Chloe, I heard an interesting story about 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.760 Chris Blackburn and Alex Mevdykis at one point pulling your 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.200 resume out of a bin. Is this story true or 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.120 is it an urban legend? Can you elaborate? 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.760 Well, what's sort of true? Chris threw it in the 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:51.480 bin and Alex pulled it out. So I've taken a 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.120 voluntary redundancy from ten after a decade there and I 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.640 started at seven, and I was doing a bit of 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.679 Sunrise stuff and I sort of, I don't know. I 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.360 started to feel like I was losing the passion for it. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.280 And like I said, I've done a lot of crime 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.840 and it's really hard work being and on the road journal. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:08.800 It's not easy. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.280 And I had mentioned it to a friend of mine 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.000 and she said, oh, actually I heard there's a job 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.920 going at Big Brother. Why don't you apply. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.400 I can hook you up with their EP and I went, oh, gosh, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.720 I've never thought of doing reality TV before. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.480 You know, it's kind of beneath journalists sometimes, even though 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.400 we get paid heaps more and have heaps so. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.160 Fun and so I reached out. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.480 I sent my CV in and Chris Blackburn, I believe, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.080 looked at my CV and went, oh, I don't want 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.880 a newsreader complaining in the middle of the night that 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.360 her hair and makeup isn't done. So we threw it 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.800 in the bid and Alex pulled it out and he went, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.600 hang on a minute, she's got good interviewing skills, good 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.160 story knowledge. Let's just get her in for a chat. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.520 And then they gave me the job. And that was 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.520 eight years ago. It was the Big Brother series after yours. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.240 Actually, oh really. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.760 And so I started at the bottom. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.520 So I was kind of at the top of my 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.199 game as a journalist and then I had to start 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.839 from the bottom again and work my way out. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.240 Well here we are, like, you know, I think that's 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.400 quite amazing. Anty Alex's boss now or. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.840 Yeah, oh yeah, I boss him around every day was 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.520 poorly and poor Lee and Alex. I've seen both of 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:19.320 them all day long. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.800 You know, Lee being a boy from Adelaide. How did 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.160 you get started as a producer? You know, this is 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.679 pretty big and achieving big. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.800 It all actually happened in the UK. I went over 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.960 to London for one of those you know when you 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.199 turn eighteen and you're like, I got to get out 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:33.720 of the small city, so I'll go to the biggest 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.480 city I can think of. So I went to London 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.400 to do my two years over there, and I kind 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.400 of weaseled my way in. So I got a couple 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.120 of weeks work experience through somebody that I met, I 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.920 sent an email, and then when I was doing that 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.080 work experience for a couple of weeks, they gave me 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.360 a job where I had to call contributors for a 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.560 TV show for a renovation show and see if they 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.480 were still interested because the property market had changed and 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.680 so they weren't doing a show about building houses. It 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.520 was going to be about renovating. So every I called 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.079 these people, I'd just say, when you call back, make 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.960 sure you ask for Lee, and I'd charm them on 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.199 the phone and have these big, long conversations with them. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.560 So knowing that I was going to leave and they 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.960 would be calling for this person that wasn't there, anymore. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.080 It all kind of worked in my favor because about 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.520 two weeks later, I got a phone call and someone 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.200 from the production was saying, we've had all these phone 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.120 calls for this person called Lee. No one knew who 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.959 it was, and someone said, that was that work experience 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.760 kid that was here a couple of weeks ago. So 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.480 they offered me a job as a runner, and it 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.400 all kind of went from there. So I think it 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.640 was just sort of blagging my way in which I 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.559 feel like TV producing is just an entire career in 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.640 the art of bullshit artistry. So it's like walkway into something. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.160 You can dog people into things. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.600 And you mada, you know, you know what, Lee speaking 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.640 about your career as well. Like Lee and I've worked 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.880 together now for five years. Almost every day we've got 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.280 a shorthand with each other, except every now and again 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.080 he'll say, you know, I used to be an electrician, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.560 or you know, I used to work at McDonald's, or 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.840 I used to be a photographer, and I'd be like, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.320 what I mean, I've never met someone who's had so 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.760 many surprise professions before. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.839 It's leading somewhere, isn't it lead? Like it's all about 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.880 gathering and you know, I think once you get to 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.080 be an executive producer, that's you know, you've understood the room. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.320 And I think it's interesting in the way that you 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.320 two have progressed into this because there's obviously perceptions, But 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.080 what do you think is the most What is the 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.680 biggest misconception about being an executive producer in twenty twenty one? 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.920 I actually love being an EP, but at times it 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.760 is very stressful and demanding, and you don't get to 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.920 do all those things that you loved when you were 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:36.080 doing the grunt work. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.320 It's interesting. We had Jak who was our series producer, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:41.960 who's worked with us for a few years too, has 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.400 gone on the likes of things, and he rang recently 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.520 and he was just kind of like, may, why didn't 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.840 you tell me how hard this eping thing is? And 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.800 I was like, yeah, it's not a all good park. Yeah. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.080 And getting back into the voice, what changes did you 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.360 guys make with the format moving networks? What did you 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.520 take out of the series and what did you put in? 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.360 I think every year we always try and make the 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.640 series different and better. And you know, we were in 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:13.600 our ninth series when we changed networks to Channel seven 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.640 and I feel like with some directions from the network 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.440 as well, we just stripped it all back and we 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.800 went back to the grassroots and the way the show 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.800 was made in series one, which was making dreams come true, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.360 and we actually do do that. It's not bullshit. There 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.400 are people that come to the show with a dream, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.880 and their dream is to stand on a stage in 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.960 front of hundreds of thousands of people or one point 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.520 seven two million last night, and we make. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.320 That happen for them. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.880 And I think we just embraced that, and it was 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.360 about finding the everyday person, the person who serves you 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.480 at McDonald's or you know, the guy who washes your car, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.480 the person you would never expect to see the way 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:57.920 they did. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.800 And I think sometimes too, there's the successes, so you know, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.920 there are other people that are successful when you make 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.840 the dream come true in terms of them getting a 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.480 chair term but the best thing for us is when 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.000 somebody doesn't get a chair turn. For example, there was 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.960 a girl on the show who didn't turn a chair 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.840 and she got to sing with Keith and she was 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.040 posting throughout her performance saying, one incredible experience it was 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.440 how much you loved being working with the team and 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.160 for us that doesn't matter. It actually matters to us 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.080 that every single person that comes has a good experience, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.640 and you can't always negate that for everybody. Some people 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.360 are going to walk away from it and take what 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.400 they want, or take whatever kind of part they want 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.600 from them getting a chair turn or not getting a 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.560 chair turn. But for the most part, our whole team's ethos, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.440 and that's existed since day one when I started on 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.080 the show in season one, was to create a show 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.760 where you treated people that came to the show like 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.440 artists rather than contestants. And so the concept is they 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.440 have a talent, so treat them like talented people rather 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.520 than just a big cattle call of people coming to 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.840 audition where they're waiting out in the cold for hours 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.920 on end. So that starts literally from go and we've 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.440 just held on to that, and I think you feel that, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.840 and particularly this year, I feel like the things that 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.679 mean the most to me are when you hear the 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.560 people that didn't get a chair turned, so they had 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.879 an incredible experience on the show. Because there's no better 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.680 advert to other singers to come on our show than 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.879 you kind of lose out, I guess, and you still 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.199 have an incredible experience and you didn't hate it, and 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.520 you don't walk away from it feeling like your talent 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:23.640 is diminished in any way. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.919 There has been a lot of auditions. Not once have 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:33.960 I seen the crowd as angry with us coaches. That's 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:39.200 true because you gave that everything. Thank you so much. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.399 We have a huge amount of respect for the people 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.000 who participate in the show as well. You know, they're 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.040 called artists, they're not called cast, and we treat them 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.879 like artists. Sometimes people are hesitant to take part in 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.960 a show like this because it is reality TV. But 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.639 for the most part, ninety nine percent of the people 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.399 who do leave really happy. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.520 It still feels really large and noisy, but you know, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.320