WEBVTT - The One Who Got Away 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.200 This is the case of Marion Barter, a mother teacher 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.880 friend missing for twenty five years. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.720 You know, I know something that she was going to vanish, 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:25.479 that's for sure. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.040 The bizarre circumstances surrounding her disappearance. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.240 I'm not sure if it was intentional or there's something 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.120 more foul afoot. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.080 If you could imagine a teacher coming straight from say 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.400 little house on the prairie to the eighties, that was 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:40.080 Marian Barter. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.800 What I say, whether you find Marian Barter dead or alive, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.559 I honestly believe somebody has that key piece of information. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.760 And the relentless quest of a daughter to find her mum. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.440 Something had happened, Something has happened to make her leave. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.920 I am one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.080 that somebody knows something. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:18.520 The lady vanishes, Episode forty six. I'm Alison Sandy and. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.640 I'm Brian Seymour. Back in twenty nineteen, Sally Leyden and 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.680 I went to Luxembourg hoping to track down Fernande Remachel, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.240 the man who placed the personal ad in nineteen ninety four. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.760 At the time, we had no idea his identity had 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:40.200 been stolen and used by Rick Bloom. We door knocked 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.280 every home belonging to relatives of Fernande Remichel, including his 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.560 ex wife Monique Cornelius. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.240 Monique Cornelius, this is Fernandra Remckel's first wife. We are 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.200 knocking on the door, see ancient home and b if 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:05.080 she knows anything about Marion, alright here we go, all 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.720 right on him. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.079 I also recruited the editor of the Luxembourg Word newspaper, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.600 Tom Rudell, to help our cause, and we were in 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:20.240 their newsroom when we tried calling Monique. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.880 Joh Mayem I saw monic Colins. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.600 Hello, Monique, is this Monique? 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:26.119 Hello. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.680 My name's Brian. I'm a journalist from Australia. Since twenty nineteen, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.239 we have stayed in touch with Monique, who spoke with 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.000 detectives and gave written evidence to the coroner that she 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.200 had a short sexual relationship with Rick Bloom or Frederic 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.919 de Hedeveri as she knew him in the early nineteen 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.440 eighties in Luxembourg. He told her he was a special 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.480 agent at the British Embassy, lied about his wife and 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.080 child only David was born at that time, and urged 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.680 her to sail away with him to start a new life. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.960 I love you, Monique. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.320 He also wrote her bizarre graphic love letters every moment, Yet, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.880 when questioned about them by counsel assisting the coroner Adam Casselden, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.560 mister Bloom still denied his relationship with Monique. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.880 Do you still maintain that you did not have any 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.280 sexual relationship with Monique Cornelius? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.120 He ay? 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.200 Do may I continue? I am crazy and I scream 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.040 I have made it. Oh, you beautiful bastards, I have 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.920 made it, Monique. I am crazy because you are the 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.080 heaven I turned to after every storm. Monique, I am 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.480 crazy and I have to tell you one more way, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.840 and I know that you accept the compliment. It is 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.840 Australian and so explicit of our wild nature. But never mind, Monique, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.720 You're a song in a man's testicles. Do you still 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.600 maintain that you did not have any sexual relationship? 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:43.440 Yes? 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.960 Monique ended the relationship and has remained in fear of 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.440 Rick ever since. Now we can share with you. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:59.960 Why Hi, Monique, It's Alison Sandy from the Lady Vanishes. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.360 How are you. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:05.600 Okay? 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.560 Alison Sandy recently spoke with Monique, who agreed to go 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.240 on the record with this stunning information. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.440 Yes, that's the podcast. I was only ringing because I 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.280 just thought you might have seen all the publicity recently 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.000 in Belgium and Luxembourg, with all these other people speaking out. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.600 Give me a moment. I am not thinking already engled. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.120 I just wanted to know if you'd read any of 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:39.320 the articles about other women who have been taken in. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:41.520 Them. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:46.080 I just wanted to thank you because your testimony, even 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.440 though you didn't appear in person, just what you provided 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:55.240 in your letters and your correspondence that you'd received from 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:02.040 him was just so important. And you are helping others. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:07.080 Of course, madam, of course I that's why I did it, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:14.560 that no other women will be He is just someone very, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:22.400 very very dangerous. You know that also why I am 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:31.680 I'm working together with our Luxembourgish police, the highest one 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.680 we have here in luxembook, because I was afraid he 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:42.919 would come and make and also is capable of anything. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.480 It's capable of anything, even killing. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.960 Do you seem to know him more than anyone else 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:51.200 that we've spoken to. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.120 I know him. I know him, oh yes, I know 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.480 him very good, with his character, his reactions, and that's 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.960 why I say is a very for a woman, especially 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:11.120 for a woman. He is a very very dangerous man, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:18.520 very dangerous, very dangerous. I can't I can't tell you. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:25.520 That he seemed to actually love you, which was bizarre because. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:30.680 He no, he lost money, nothing else, and for money, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:37.679 he has nothing but a little if he had little 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.160 tension or how do you call it. He gets from 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:47.040 the state because he participated in the war and with 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:52.120 Australia with I don't know, in Asia somewhere, and his 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.560 legs are and not good, not good for that, and 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.719 therefore he gets from the Australian state. I think so, 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:03.039 I don't know it. I think so a little. That's 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:10.600 why he's living with his wife. Yeah. I immediately left 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:16.720 him when I thought that he had a wife. No, no, no, no, no, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.240 I didn't know he was a fund in the in 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.320 the and I didn't leave anything anymore. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.400 While I was taking in everything when he had to say, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.960 I was still in shock that she'd finally decided to 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.600 open up to me, and I was just waiting for 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.760 her to pause long enough so I could return to 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:40.880 the bombshell information she told me only moments earlier. What 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.160 makes you think he's capable of killing? 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.640 He called me? But I don't know who is who 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:54.040 he has kids in the one day he told me, look, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:59.200 this can't have already killed. And he showed me his 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:07.160 son like that, killing with hands only, that you must 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:08.360 be a real killer. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.360 Why did he tell you that? 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:20.440 I don't know. He caught me very very muchy he 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.920 did not manipulect me. I thought his manipulation. I thought 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:31.760 he lied or manipulcted. There a moments in life, even 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.720 if he was only a haunt where the past makes 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.240 you open the mouth, if you thing of the past, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.680 it wasn't an a weak moment for him. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.560 I know you have provided letters and in the past 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.520 you didn't necessarily want to be part like just talk 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.400 at the inquest, do you think, because the inquest is 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.680 still going to try to get him in jail, because 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.000 he's not quite now, but he's three. He's very feeble. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:07.040 It's very promotion. He is also he is a master 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:14.240 of the manipulation. He never, never, never says the truth, 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:24.200 perhaps in a moment of weakness or but he manipulates everybody, everybody. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:29.800 He tells story story, story stories. Therefore, I say don't 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:36.559 let him out anymore. That for the sake of other women, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:43.200 that they don't live the same destiny to me. He 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.960 never did cut something, never never. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.760 Never, Here many recalls when she discovered was married with children. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:57.000 He always was good about me. But when I knew 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:04.800 we went to the a roper where the aeroplanes landing 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:09.520 and departing. What do you call that? How do you airport? 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:09.920 Yes? 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.400 He always went to the airport for phoning in Australia 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.120 to someone who is now I know that it was 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:27.000 his wife. And just like a haz, I went in 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:34.800 the telephone cabin just besides his so I could hear 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.080 all the phone what he was talking with that person. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:45.160 And he talked about Daisy donkey child and he talked 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:51.080 to a woman and I heard that they were very 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:58.800 close telecross. And after the phone called here, we went 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.800 to drink or in a coffee and I asked him, Hey, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.720 who's the lady you talked about your child? A child? 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.960 Do you have a child? Is that from me? I 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:21.400 didn't know it, He hadn't told me, And yeah, you 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.520 can have a child. I was always on my own. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.080 That was my salvation. I had my house, I had 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.440 my job, I had my money. I didn't depend on 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.959 him on nothing. If I didn't want to see him. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.079 I didn't. I told him no, no, leave me alone. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:47.760 And we we were not intimate with their shee, we 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:54.880 were intimated. But I was free. I was always a 0:11:55.040 --> 0:12:00.559 free woman. And then did what I decided, not what 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:06.760 he caused me, and that was my salvation. You know, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.959 he knows very good to speak, and she spoke. He 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:16.760 is very good in story telling, in story tealist, and 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.600 that I know. He told me he was a secret 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:28.640 agent of the English embassy in Luxemburger. I believe, and 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.400 I studied. I am not fallen on my head. I 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.160 am more. I cannot say that a touch that I 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.800 am very intelligent, but I am not idiot. But that 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:47.360 is a fact. And I did my life also alone. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:53.000 I have organized and you know, I'm free woman. And 0:12:53.280 --> 0:13:00.760 that was my salvation, or you know, Megan, it was 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:06.480 not easy to get trait of him in my in 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:13.640 my brain. You know, he is a personality you you 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.079 not meet in every corner of the road. He is 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:27.439 focused on getting money, and therefore he is playing with 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:37.040 the emotions of women. And that I is so disgusting 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:44.120 of that that it's the last thing that I can 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:51.079 understand from a man, that he is looking from the 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:56.640 head to the truth. But that is only I don't 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.439 I don't even know if he knows the who he is. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.160 I don't think so he had something in his sad. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:14.880 It's so uppen. Never seen a man like that. Oh no, no, no, no, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.920 But I had in the beginning. I had trusted him too. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.880 He is a very good speaker. He knows the emotion 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.880 of women. And I was not ridgy enough for you know, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.920 And I was young. I was young when forty years 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.880 ago I had thirty thirty five years now and I 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.920 was alone. I was divorcing for me. He was interesting. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.720 He takes advantage of well, I guess women who are 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.920 divorcing or widows. It seems to be his mo o. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.400 But you were the one who got away. Did he 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:54.680 ever try to take money? 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:54.840 Oh? 0:14:54.960 --> 0:15:00.480 Yes, I got away. I got away. But because I 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:07.520 was always always a free woman, My free will was 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.480 it is my character. I don't let someone else think 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.360 for me. I think for me and nobody else, fellow, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.120 And that's that's what saved me. And I won't when 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:27.080 I am read here the story of missus Warner, I 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:33.200 think of the lady who has two children. I your butter. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.200 It's better. It's better Marion, Marion will Well a sister, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:45.520 she had money. Yeah, women, he he manipulates until they 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.320 are depending on him and they are not crazy, are 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:55.080 married or or have no own job, no own house, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.880 or or the are older. Also also, I was young. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.680 I was thirty and thirty five when I knew him, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:11.240 I was strong. If I didn't, I didn't, I can't understand. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:19.920 But Marion, I can understand her very very good because 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:26.680 he is a master of manipulation and she only is 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:31.640 playing with emotions. And if you are playing with the 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:39.120 emotions of an other old you you have very very 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:47.800 very possibilities to enslave him, you know the person. Yeah, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.640 he has he can do that, he can manage that. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.000 My god, my god. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.720 I just want to say, you are extraordinary, Monique, and 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.320 you are an inspiration to all of us that you 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.880 have the courage to speak out about him. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:10.960 And I am Oh, yes, I have the courage. I 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:17.879 have it. That is not a courage, that is a 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:24.119 proud proud to say. You cannot do that with everybody. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.480 I tell Monique the inquest isn't over yet and ask 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.520 if she reconsider her decision not to appear. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:36.360 I cannot tell more, because forty years is a very 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:44.399 long time. And excuse me, madam, but I speak to 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:51.680 the police of mute those words. I have written emails 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.280 and ima image to us. They know everything I can say, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:02.639 but I cannot faith and to out for that. And 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.960 I'm living alone here and in peace. I have forgotten 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.920 this man. I have forgotten it for me. He is 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:19.560 just dirt. He is dirt. He doesn't he doesn't have 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:27.000 the right to live. He has taken so many he's part. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:33.840 He's fundamentally that. Don't touch him, you will burn your hands. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.680 I can't say you and every rooman should be very afraid. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.320 He should be in a poison for the rest of 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:48.040 his life. I hope so, I hope so. I hope 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.800 so even in the great in the tomb, when he 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.840 is buried, he will try to manipulate to get out 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.720 of there. I tell you, in life, when he opened 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.920 the mouth, that is a lie, that its manipulation. He 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:11.320 doesn't forget anything. I don't know what he has already done. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:17.600 But nothing good, nothing good. No, I hope you can 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.960 understand me. He's out of my mind. He cannot touch 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.200 me anymore, he cannot hurt me anymore. For me, he 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:35.400 is dirt, just dirt you take and puts and put 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.320 anywhere where he can. He cannover get back anymore. He's 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.840 a bad man. Why he is so, He can tell 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:54.040 you thousands, thousands arguments why he has become like that, 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.600 And it tells the story of the jewels in the 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:03.960 Nazy time. He's parents have been burnt, his parents that 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:12.440 burnt in that scamps of the Nazi system. Nothing is true. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:20.440 Everything he says, everything, every word, every breath is many pullation. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.479 The coronal must be very strong and not be losing him. 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:30.240 He can cry from emotion. He can please theater. He 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:35.040 can You don't know what what your talenty is in 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:42.720 manipulation and for a good woman, a woman that is 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:52.399 vulnerable and innocent, for him that is not bringing nothing, 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:59.440 just money, money, money, money. He has no regrets. He 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.920 must have money, haven't He hasn't learned anything. He knows 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.520 how to manipulate with it, with his body, with his 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:19.120 bring with his money money money. You cannot imagine so profoundly. 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.760 And he can speak like an angel or Daville, depends 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:31.119 on the situation. He has a very big talent to maniput. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.600 It never seen that in all my whole life, never 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.200 but profoundly, profoundly back. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.359 He stole your husband's identity too. That was one of 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:42.320 the many alias. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.320 I only know that I know that well. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:51.520 We were not together anymore, we were separated, divorced. 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.200 But was it surprising to you that when you learned 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.640 that he'd stolen your ex husband's identity. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.359 Yeah, that's what I didn't. At a certain moment, I 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:11.639 I thought that there's something wrong with this man. We 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.800 were in divorce, but we spoke. I spoke with my 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.560 husband and I said, I know there's something for someone 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:27.400 I don't I have. I don't believe him so many 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.200 I would like you to. I show you where he 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:37.159 is living, and to go to him and tell him something, 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.000 get in contact with him. And my husband did that 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:49.680 from it. He was a psychology and that's why he 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:54.440 said to him, imagine something saying that I have I 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.600 have sent you to him for this or all that. 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:03.920 And my husband and tech that and the other one 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:10.640 had to ary his dole at such visit his identity card. 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.920 This was a bit confusing, but it sounds like Fernande 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.600 and Rick Blum did meet each other at least once. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:21.000 We thought that fand was actually the one with Marion. 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.040 We mistook him for Frederick to Hellaberry and we're very sorry. 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:33.080 Yeah, of course, but they're Fredavari shows his real character. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:38.960 You know, there is a man's life, a woman's life 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:47.880 count nothing. They are in this world just to give 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:53.639 him money. Yes, they're nothing. No person counts. And she 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:59.800 can speak like a man who got sugar, a very 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:06.240 set very He can change his personality perfectly from one 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.120 woman to the other. 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.119 My last question because I don't want to hold you 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.840 up anymore because you have been amazing. It's so helpful, 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:20.280 and this would get justice for all his victims, including you, 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.760 because you were his victim. Even though you didn't give 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.840 him money. He tried to manipulate you and he's affected. 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:32.960 Yes, yes, of course I know that now, and I 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:38.320 had a very long time to understand his character and 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.200 to be sure of what. But no, I am so 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.520 sure of what I say. I feel it. I see 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.760 it now. Even with the little brain I have, I 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:55.159 can analyze it. When he opens the mouse, I know 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.600 what she without speaking. I know what the rivided directions 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:03.359 is going. Actually I can't feel it. I can't feel it. 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.520 In the end, I could feel it and I I 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:17.000 was this dastic, this pastic, and that's why I went 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.520 to our police in Luxembourg and I said, I don't 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:25.280 know exactly what she is doing, but I could speak, 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:31.040 but I know nothing of concrete. You know that he 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:36.879 has done. I don't know something some bad things concrete. 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:41.280 If I've not seen something that I could say he 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:44.320 stole that or that or that. 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:48.639 I never you have done so much in just talking 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.040 to me about this. And look you're right, no more, 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.280 no more. You have done enough. You have spoken enough 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:55.639 about that. 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.879 That is what I don't do. Oh could fire my 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:04.760 mind with it because I'm in freedom and in peace 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:09.639 with my self, and I know not only missed my brain, 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:15.200 but with my whole body. Maybe I found a body 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.200 in my stomach, in my heart, in my head, everywhere. 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:25.680 I know that that man isn't worth to breathe in 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:29.800 this world. That I can't get. And that's no hate. 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:36.040 That is just because yeah, and I am sure that 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.800 he has done. He has it doesn't work, he earns 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:47.880 no money, He's still from everybody. But don't let him 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:53.080 out of prison. He is very capable of care. 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:54.000 I know it. 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:59.160 I know it's really hard for you very hard, very hard. 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.920 But now I have found my freedom. If I had 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:13.359 not opened my mouth, I would never have discovered the truth. 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.720 That was well, the best thing that could happen to 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:29.200 me was this communication with the police detective unsold Tommy Sito. Yes, 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.920 that was the beast. I have psychologue chiply and in 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.080 my brain and in my heart and everywhere. I had 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:43.000 a chance to get out of that without any harm. 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.040 And I know I can't tell you why, because I 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.400 could not give him millions have I worked for my job. 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.560 In my job, I had a good life, but not 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:07.159 enough to satisfire that gangster. No. I think he was. 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.560 He loved me a little bit. I think so, But 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:17.080 that's why I did not. I always said I have 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:21.600 a brain, and I think for myself. I don't let 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:26.639 you think for me. Never, never I told him that. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.000 Well, I just want you to know that, you know 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:32.520 it's speaking to me. 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.520 Yeah, I have done and I want my peace to madam. 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.520 I want my peace. I have close to that. I 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:45.040 have done the most I could do, but now I 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.520 want to be free of it. I cannot tell you 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.200 any thing more. 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.920 There have been so many other ladies who have spoken 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.320 out like you. There's Janet Oldenburg and Elaine in Belgium 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.080 and his cousin, and that is very good. 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:04.720 And a woman, I think that you can understand every work. 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:09.120 I tell you. That's the truth, madam, that's the truth. 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.160 I think if we women we must stick stick together, 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.600 we must stick together. We are very strong. We are 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.479 the strong because men. If we stick together, we are 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:26.480 more tangical, we are more intelligent. We can see much 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:34.640 more than a man who has one time only money, money, money, money. 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.320 I know him, madam, I know what he's capable. That's 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.600 why I want to close it. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.240 I then go on to tell me about this podcast 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.880 and how now the whole world knows about with Bloom 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:48.640 and what he's done. 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.240 That is very good. And if one day you come 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.480 to Luxemburg, you will enjoy it. Come here, Come here. 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:02.320 I have an apartment over me that's empty. You can 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.160 live at my house in all the first stage FLA 0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.640 for the one week, two weeks. I will surely in the. 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.880 Place that she was, Like Marion, Monique was a teacher, 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.720 but she specializes in languages, which explains why her English 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:19.760 is so good. 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.760 I speak a much better French than English because I 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:29.480 have no exercised so well so, but lives me in 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.840 the dark as good as you can. I am now 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.560 an old lady and I want to get him out 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.680 of my mind. That's what I told him. I never 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.360 had told toward journalist, never, and I had many calls 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.920 for it broadcast stations. I never told a single word, 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:57.480 but now I totally because I'm strong. I have here 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.120 my police in Luxembourg, and I have the police in Australia. 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.160 If something happened to me, it was him. 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.440 Nothing will happen to him, Manique, mark my words. I 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.280 know this because I know Blum will never leave the country. 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.800 If he does, he won't be able to get back in. 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:17.560 More on that later. 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:24.360 You are in a treasure to stick with you was 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:30.960 also not a pleasure. That was a good recapitulation. I 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:38.040 want him to be not on the surface of this work. 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:43.840 He must be. Just get out. He's in dag as 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.120 long as he rees believe me. 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:50.920 Thank you, Monique, Thank you to a listen together. 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:51.600 Is strong. 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.840 I tried to call with Blum so I could put 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.240 to him the allegations Manique made again, but got his 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:06.480