WEBVTT - KRISSY MARSH - THE TRAITOR AUSTRALIA -NETWORK TEN 0:00:00.190 --> 0:00:01.650 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.710 --> 0:00:05.750 TV Reload, the podcast, last week. G'day guys, welcome back 0:00:05.769 --> 0:00:08.150 to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and today 0:00:08.330 --> 0:00:11.560 we are talking Traders Australia finale with one of the 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.119 final faithfuls standing, it is Chrissy Marsh. Now, most of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.759 us first met Chrissy on The Real Housewives of Sydney, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.680 but I think that Traders Australia gave us a completely 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.180 different side to her. She became the mother hen of 0:00:24.220 --> 0:00:27.840 the manor, she threw herself into those challenges, even cutting 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.450 her hair, and somehow made it all the way to 0:00:30.460 --> 0:00:34.590 the explosive finale. But here's where today's conversation gets interesting. 0:00:34.770 --> 0:00:37.769 Chrissy tells me she knew Kirby was a traitor from 0:00:37.850 --> 0:00:41.650 day one, and explains why she deliberately kept that information 0:00:41.690 --> 0:00:45.240 to herself rather than going after her. She also reveals 0:00:45.340 --> 0:00:48.460 why watching the finale brought back some very real feelings 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.880 of betrayal towards Kira, and gives us a pretty fascinating 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.600 assessment of Kirby's winning game, including the moments that she 0:00:55.700 --> 0:00:58.910 thought Kirby came across as a little too smug. We 0:00:58.950 --> 0:01:01.930 also talk about why she really signed up for the show, 0:01:02.110 --> 0:01:05.710 her relationship with Tully, what's actually going on with AJ 0:01:05.830 --> 0:01:08.789 and her relationship and the rest of the cast, and 0:01:09.170 --> 0:01:13.030 which Australian housewives she thinks could enter the manor next. 0:01:13.310 --> 0:01:16.030 And Chrissy even has some advice for me if I 0:01:16.090 --> 0:01:19.040 ever get the call from the Traders producers. There's a 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.440 lot to unpack. This is Chrissy Marsh from the Traders 0:01:22.500 --> 0:01:24.100 Australia on TV Reload. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.000 Benjamin, does that sound like your mother? 0:01:27.300 --> 0:01:28.980 Yes, it does. I feel like I'm in trouble. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.140 I want you to be on your best behavior. 0:01:32.420 --> 0:01:34.420 I know. I don't know whether or not you listen 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.229 to my podcast, but I listen to yours. 0:01:36.670 --> 0:01:37.690 Oh, I love that. 0:01:38.050 --> 0:01:40.070 I think that you're very good at being able to 0:01:40.390 --> 0:01:43.870 make people feel comfortable and tell you their secrets. 0:01:43.890 --> 0:01:46.190 Okay, Benjamin, am I going to ask you what's your 0:01:46.310 --> 0:01:47.229 innermost secret? 0:01:48.830 --> 0:01:51.690 I don't know. It's just strange to me because I'm 0:01:51.790 --> 0:01:57.280 obviously very familiar with your housewives antics. And the funny 0:01:57.300 --> 0:01:59.760 thing about it is that no matter what we've seen 0:01:59.820 --> 0:02:02.740 of you, hearing about your relationship with the cast of 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.980 The Traitors this year has been quite amazing because you've 0:02:06.020 --> 0:02:07.540 been a bit of a mother hen to them. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.660 Oh, totally. I'm so glad you noticed that. That was 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.300 actually my whinge that people didn't realize I was the 0:02:14.340 --> 0:02:16.910 mum of the house. I was the matriarch. I was 0:02:17.210 --> 0:02:19.590 stoking that fire, looking after my children. 0:02:19.850 --> 0:02:22.570 Yeah. And I think that's probably why when I was 0:02:22.610 --> 0:02:25.950 reading the comment section, people were saying how emotional you were. 0:02:25.970 --> 0:02:28.470 You know, when you're carrying the mental load for other people, 0:02:28.490 --> 0:02:30.810 whether they care about you doing it or not, it 0:02:30.850 --> 0:02:33.310 can become incredibly draining and emotional. Yeah. 0:02:33.430 --> 0:02:35.900 Yeah, I think for me too, I also had in 0:02:35.940 --> 0:02:38.700 the back of my mind was my family. And this 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.010 was something I was doing to really make them proud. 0:02:42.150 --> 0:02:44.889 I think with housewives, you know, the boys were often 0:02:44.970 --> 0:02:47.650 embarrassed about it. They were often like, oh, mum, why 0:02:47.669 --> 0:02:50.100 did you say that? Or, It wasn't something that they've 0:02:50.139 --> 0:02:52.980 been overly proud of. Whereas I think for the traitors, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.300 when I was over there, that was something. And especially 0:02:55.340 --> 0:02:58.460 the physical challenges. I thought like stuff you because the 0:02:58.500 --> 0:03:00.630 kids were like, you rated yourself a seven out of 0:03:00.620 --> 0:03:03.450 10 in fitness. Those traitors people, you know, you're a 0:03:03.570 --> 0:03:07.270 three mom. So that every challenge and like I freaking 0:03:07.330 --> 0:03:09.930 kicked ass on every challenge. And I just thought, I'm 0:03:09.950 --> 0:03:13.130 going to show you boy. being my sons at home, 0:03:13.310 --> 0:03:14.950 that I can do this. And I love the way 0:03:14.990 --> 0:03:18.160 that Josh and Luke and Lawson, they all helped me. 0:03:18.340 --> 0:03:19.570 So it was nice. 0:03:19.590 --> 0:03:22.660 I just think you were hilarious because when you were 0:03:22.700 --> 0:03:24.680 asked to cut your hair, my partner and I were like, 0:03:24.940 --> 0:03:26.980 there's no way that Chrissy Marsh is going to cut 0:03:27.260 --> 0:03:29.320 her hair for this challenge. I mean, I would have 0:03:29.340 --> 0:03:31.500 cried more if I had your beautiful hair and had 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:31.880 to cut it. 0:03:31.980 --> 0:03:33.900 But you know what? It wasn't even about cutting my hair. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.460 It was that I felt dumb. So for me, not 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.920 being able to remember those names, I was crying because 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.420 I felt dumb. And by that stage, your brain is 0:03:43.620 --> 0:03:46.940 so scattered. You've been in this pressure cooker. And then 0:03:46.980 --> 0:03:50.920 we're brought to that abattoir. And then, you know, I 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.160 sort of thought about it. You know, you saw the claws. 0:03:53.210 --> 0:03:55.610 You saw this. And we got the opportunity to go 0:03:55.670 --> 0:03:57.990 back out and say, hey, does anyone want to swap 0:03:58.030 --> 0:04:01.170 with what I had to do? And I thought Reese 0:04:01.190 --> 0:04:04.270 was about to go on tour. So there's no way that, 0:04:04.350 --> 0:04:07.580 you know, Reese could have cut his hair. Then Kira 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.300 had the short bob. I thought that's going to be 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.420 too obvious. And then Kirby's hair wasn't that long anyway. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.300 And I thought, well, I can't force that on her. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.609 And then I just said to the producers, this is 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.930 just bullshit. I said, this is ridiculous. There is no 0:04:20.010 --> 0:04:21.490 way I'm going to do this. 0:04:22.210 --> 0:04:25.750 And I love that you did though. Like that's the commitment. 0:04:25.970 --> 0:04:26.630 Oh my God. 0:04:26.910 --> 0:04:31.190 I know. I know. Well, they basically said to me like, okay, well, 0:04:31.210 --> 0:04:33.370 do you want to quit? And that was, I think 0:04:33.390 --> 0:04:35.970 they knew that to me was like, I'm not a quitter. 0:04:36.210 --> 0:04:39.130 So I want to know about something that I picked 0:04:39.190 --> 0:04:40.810 up on and I don't know whether other people did, 0:04:40.930 --> 0:04:44.060 but you often would say to the boys that they 0:04:44.070 --> 0:04:46.440 were like your children. And you mentioned this just before 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.380 you were saying, you said that felt like some of 0:04:48.420 --> 0:04:51.300 them felt like your children. Did Kirby not feel like 0:04:51.380 --> 0:04:53.560 one of your children? Like as in, I never got 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.520 to see you saying that to her. Is that because 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.540 she's her own person and confident? I don't know. 0:04:59.700 --> 0:05:02.510 No, definitely not. I knew Kirby was a traitor from 0:05:02.550 --> 0:05:05.050 day one. I knew Kirby had been touched. I knew 0:05:05.070 --> 0:05:07.150 the queen, the jacket. I knew that. But for me, 0:05:07.170 --> 0:05:11.250 it wasn't the jacket. I didn't even consider that a theory. 0:05:11.550 --> 0:05:15.640 My theory was she walked in there quite insecure, quite 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.790 stressed out. She gets tapped on the shoulder. She walks 0:05:18.990 --> 0:05:22.270 out like a million Christmases that come at once. So 0:05:22.290 --> 0:05:26.690 I always looked at Kirby as... competition. I looked at 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:32.040 Kirby as a threat. I looked at her as she 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.479 could be someone that could vote me out in an instant. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.360 I knew she was a traitor, a hundred percent. She 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.010 was the only one that I knew. I didn't know. 0:05:41.029 --> 0:05:43.290 I had no clue about Alex. I had no clue 0:05:43.310 --> 0:05:45.810 about Alvin, like not at the beginning, but I always 0:05:45.850 --> 0:05:49.110 knew Kirby was strong. She was smart. I saw her 0:05:49.230 --> 0:05:53.120 very much as an equal. I And an equal being, 0:05:53.140 --> 0:05:56.440 you know, two women going head to head in something. 0:05:56.460 --> 0:05:58.660 And I had to be careful of her because I 0:05:58.700 --> 0:06:00.279 knew she was a traitor and I knew she could 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.729 murder me at any stage. So I had to keep 0:06:02.750 --> 0:06:05.810 a very delicate balance. And I loved it when Rhys said, oh, 0:06:06.070 --> 0:06:08.370 you know, I don't think, I think Chrissy was such 0:06:08.410 --> 0:06:11.810 an unpredictable player. That was in their mind. In my mind, 0:06:12.029 --> 0:06:16.580 the only person that I truly knew, um, That was 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.340 a trait. It was Kirby. So that was the only 0:06:18.420 --> 0:06:22.010 person I had to be really mindful on how I 0:06:22.050 --> 0:06:24.870 not manipulated her, but how I was around her. 0:06:25.330 --> 0:06:26.930 But why didn't you just get her out? Like, why 0:06:26.950 --> 0:06:28.130 didn't you try harder to get her out? 0:06:28.150 --> 0:06:30.610 Because the problem is if I went in, like I 0:06:30.630 --> 0:06:32.610 tried a couple of times early on, you saw that 0:06:32.650 --> 0:06:35.150 I voted for her. But if I went really hard 0:06:35.170 --> 0:06:37.469 at a round table and I didn't have the backing, 0:06:37.650 --> 0:06:40.150 and this is in early stages when Dicko's doing the 0:06:40.210 --> 0:06:42.390 boy band and sort of group voting and all that 0:06:42.430 --> 0:06:44.590 sort of thing. If I went after her and presented 0:06:44.610 --> 0:06:46.210 my cards on the table, I would have been killed 0:06:46.230 --> 0:06:48.750 that night. And I think I was super smart. for 0:06:48.790 --> 0:06:50.830 the first time in my life, keeping my mouth shut. 0:06:51.070 --> 0:06:55.099 Yes. I mean, housewives are not necessarily used to keeping 0:06:55.140 --> 0:06:58.060 their mouth shut. They're usually trained to say what they 0:06:58.100 --> 0:07:00.620 can say. Exactly. And I think we saw a different 0:07:00.660 --> 0:07:02.930 side to you in this show. And I guess that 0:07:02.970 --> 0:07:06.370 comes down to the style of making these programs is that, 0:07:06.410 --> 0:07:08.410 you know, when you're making housewives, you probably put a 0:07:08.430 --> 0:07:10.970 housewives hat on. I'm a little bit confused about why 0:07:11.010 --> 0:07:13.640 you say yes to doing a show like this when 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:18.240 you're used to buying... A Hermes bag. You've got a very... No, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:18.680 I'm not. 0:07:18.940 --> 0:07:22.520 You don't know me, Ben. I'm actually a businesswoman. I 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.610 hate shopping. That's one of my world's worst nightmares. And 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.870 I think this for me was the ultimate challenge because 0:07:30.030 --> 0:07:33.310 it was all of my business acumen coming into one 0:07:33.610 --> 0:07:36.429 pivotal point. And that's what this game is. This game 0:07:36.590 --> 0:07:42.340 is sheer strategy, but it's also likability. It's also being 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.760 able to read people, get along with people. And I 0:07:45.860 --> 0:07:49.260 actually thought I'd be far better at that than I was. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.580 That was one thing that your gut instinct gets a 0:07:53.620 --> 0:07:56.360 bit up and down in the manner. You don't quite know. 0:07:56.420 --> 0:07:59.340 Like for me, Kira, I would never in a million 0:07:59.380 --> 0:08:01.360 years think that she would do that to me in 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.700 the end. Never. I just thought we were 100% with 0:08:03.730 --> 0:08:08.190 each other, not even 100%, 300% with each other. So 0:08:08.490 --> 0:08:11.350 that sort of betrayal for me was very, very real. 0:08:12.370 --> 0:08:15.050 What's your relationship then like with her now? 0:08:15.450 --> 0:08:18.310 It was fine, absolutely fine. We've seen each other a 0:08:18.350 --> 0:08:20.010 few times. She's come out to dinner with my husband 0:08:20.060 --> 0:08:22.220 and I. But I do want to speak to her today. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.220 Tell me about that now. 0:08:24.260 --> 0:08:25.040 Let's get her on the phone. 0:08:25.340 --> 0:08:29.650 Because, yeah, no, because I do– I can't believe, like 0:08:29.690 --> 0:08:32.190 for me watching it last night, I couldn't believe that 0:08:32.270 --> 0:08:35.170 she second guessed me. Like for one minute, because I, 0:08:35.490 --> 0:08:37.450 out of anyone, I never second guessed her. 0:08:37.710 --> 0:08:39.780 I mean, the betrayal still feels very real to you. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.040 Oh, totally. But more real after watching the episodes last night. 0:08:44.510 --> 0:08:48.429 How does this land when I ask you about Kirby's strategy? 0:08:48.570 --> 0:08:51.580 It seemed to me like she kept you and Kira 0:08:51.770 --> 0:08:55.080 in the finale and kept you around because she thought 0:08:55.100 --> 0:08:58.820 of you as scatty, I guess, or thought of you 0:08:59.340 --> 0:09:02.260 as erratic. You know, she thought that you might have 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.160 been a safer option to have at the end than 0:09:04.340 --> 0:09:07.540 other people because of your personality. Does that hurt a 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.660 little bit to think that that's why she kept you 0:09:09.700 --> 0:09:10.140 till the end? 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.179 No, I don't think she kept me to the end 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.110 because of that. I think she kept me to the 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.150 end because she knew my strength, my persuasion with other people. 0:09:18.370 --> 0:09:20.970 So I definitely didn't. I don't believe she kept me 0:09:20.990 --> 0:09:23.750 there because of that reason. Maybe she did with Kira, 0:09:23.809 --> 0:09:26.250 but Kirby and I had a very much a level 0:09:26.270 --> 0:09:30.080 of respect. We both had each other's measures. Kirby knew 0:09:30.140 --> 0:09:32.700 how smart I was. I knew how smart Kirby was. 0:09:33.220 --> 0:09:36.359 And we very much played that game with that. I mean, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.340 she said in the round, not in the round table, 0:09:38.380 --> 0:09:41.990 but in the turret, numerous occasions, I know Chrissy's strength. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.250 I know Chrissy's influence on people. So no, Ben. 0:09:46.490 --> 0:09:47.990 I like it. I like it. I mean, that's your 0:09:48.010 --> 0:09:49.429 take on it. That's great. 0:09:50.220 --> 0:09:52.330 Oh, that's your take on it. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:53.370 That's your take on it. 0:09:53.420 --> 0:09:55.770 Not necessarily the truth. I don't quite think that way. 0:09:56.250 --> 0:09:58.069 Well, I don't know. I mean, I think it's very 0:09:58.170 --> 0:09:59.970 clear to me that she had a lot of respect. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.939 for you and that I think that she had a 0:10:01.980 --> 0:10:03.140 genuine friendship with you. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.589 They said to me she found me attractive. 0:10:05.610 --> 0:10:07.830 Well, who doesn't? I find you attractive and you've got 0:10:07.870 --> 0:10:08.569 the wrong question for me. 0:10:08.570 --> 0:10:11.170 No, she was flirting with me to try and woo me. 0:10:11.410 --> 0:10:13.030 Kirby was smart. Yeah. 0:10:13.250 --> 0:10:15.420 I mean, I think that that's clever to be that 0:10:15.460 --> 0:10:19.500 sort of flirtatious and use that to your advantage. She's 0:10:19.540 --> 0:10:21.780 now won and we've all got to watch this. Australia 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.480 loves this show and we've all watched it unfold. And 0:10:24.820 --> 0:10:27.900 she had to be very manipulative to win. And there 0:10:27.950 --> 0:10:30.570 are some viewers watching this and they really don't understand 0:10:30.590 --> 0:10:32.579 that hey, that's what you've got to do to win 0:10:32.620 --> 0:10:35.440 this show. How is it sitting with you now that 0:10:35.500 --> 0:10:37.699 she won and now that she did what she did 0:10:37.740 --> 0:10:40.010 and it's all been played out and you've got to watch, 0:10:40.050 --> 0:10:42.790 you know, how it all happened through everyone's eyes? 0:10:43.210 --> 0:10:47.390 Look, I never thought, I think she was brilliant. I 0:10:47.450 --> 0:10:51.170 never thought she was as smug. as she was, that 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.780 surprised me. And I think you've got to be very, 0:10:54.820 --> 0:10:57.020 very clever to be able to pull this off and 0:10:57.100 --> 0:11:00.870 very manipulative, which I think she was. But I didn't 0:11:00.929 --> 0:11:03.670 like the smug. There was a few times in there that, 0:11:03.790 --> 0:11:05.950 you know, she was smug. I think she was genuinely 0:11:06.150 --> 0:11:10.510 upset when she double-crossed Rhys because absolutely The only reason 0:11:10.550 --> 0:11:12.410 she was upset was because she was pulled to task 0:11:12.470 --> 0:11:15.489 with it. If Rhys hadn't pulled her to task, I 0:11:15.530 --> 0:11:17.870 think she would have sat very comfortably with doing that. 0:11:18.110 --> 0:11:20.429 It was only like she'd been told off by a 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.559 mother and all of a sudden she thought, well, I 0:11:22.620 --> 0:11:24.920 am a bad girl. Otherwise, she had her eye on 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.500 the prize and was just working towards that prize. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.540 And if you really were that apologetic, if you really 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.500 felt the burn, do you think that she maybe should 0:11:33.540 --> 0:11:35.459 be giving some money to Rhys and Tully, who she's 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.569 saying that No. No? 0:11:37.590 --> 0:11:40.350 It's ridiculous. It's like saying if you win the lotto. 0:11:40.470 --> 0:11:42.809 I mean, she earned it fair and square, isn't it? 0:11:42.850 --> 0:11:44.890 Hey, I won Big Brother and my brother rang me 0:11:44.970 --> 0:11:47.030 and asked me if he said, you know, we've always 0:11:47.070 --> 0:11:49.730 been given the same things in life. And he was like, 0:11:49.950 --> 0:11:51.600 I think I should have some of this money. And 0:11:51.750 --> 0:11:53.770 do you know what's really interesting? And people may not 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.320 know this, but I don't believe you're allowed to even 0:11:56.429 --> 0:11:58.540 share prize money that way because it was in my 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.780 contract that I wasn't allowed to divvy up my money 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.840 to any of the other people because then it can 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.740 look as like collusion. 0:12:07.780 --> 0:12:09.820 Lotto and all the family come out from nowhere and 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.439 everyone's got an expectation and everyone feels entitled. You know, 0:12:13.780 --> 0:12:17.080 she won that money fair and square and Kirby deserves 0:12:17.500 --> 0:12:19.400 every cent of it. And there's no way she should 0:12:19.450 --> 0:12:23.069 share it with anyone else. That's just ridiculous. And like 0:12:23.130 --> 0:12:25.930 you winning Big Brother and you doing that with families, 0:12:25.990 --> 0:12:28.729 I'm sorry, that was money that you earned just like 0:12:28.770 --> 0:12:31.510 you would earn any other income. And, you know, like 0:12:31.530 --> 0:12:33.830 I'm a big believer in helping family out and looking 0:12:33.929 --> 0:12:36.490 after family. But people that have the expectation that they 0:12:36.510 --> 0:12:39.429 should be given something that annoys me in life more 0:12:39.470 --> 0:12:40.050 than anything. 0:12:40.470 --> 0:12:43.410 I really think because of the privilege that you've created 0:12:43.450 --> 0:12:45.719 for yourself, let me phrase it that way. I think 0:12:45.750 --> 0:12:48.400 half of Australia would love to come to your place 0:12:48.460 --> 0:12:50.140 for dinner. I think people. 0:12:50.710 --> 0:12:53.970 Juicy like dinner. You know what it is, Ben? It's not, 0:12:54.110 --> 0:12:59.720 it's just connection. It's not that my house is some privileged, unbelievable, 0:12:59.740 --> 0:13:03.260 you know, this started for my children to stay connected 0:13:03.300 --> 0:13:05.920 with their friends. And that's what it'll always be about. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:07.960 And I've had people go, I want it to be 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.640 this or I want it to be that or let's 0:13:09.700 --> 0:13:12.280 do a gay one where everyone's gay. I'll cut most 0:13:12.500 --> 0:13:14.640 Tuesday nights and half the table's gay. But I'm not 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.670 doing it to– this is a connection for my kids 0:13:17.710 --> 0:13:20.729 to catch up with their friends. And whoever comes along 0:13:20.770 --> 0:13:22.550 in the mix will come along in the mix. And 0:13:22.570 --> 0:13:25.710 I don't think it's about privilege. I think it's about connection. 0:13:25.730 --> 0:13:29.069 And I think everyone is starved of it. This isn't connecting. 0:13:29.530 --> 0:13:31.630 I can't walk in and touch you and feel you 0:13:31.670 --> 0:13:33.990 and kiss you and say, hi, how are you going? 0:13:34.150 --> 0:13:36.530 You know what I mean? And that's what I want. 0:13:36.630 --> 0:13:37.880 I don't want to sit and talk to you on 0:13:37.910 --> 0:13:40.579 a screen. And I mean, Michael, you know, can vouch 0:13:40.620 --> 0:13:43.040 for it. I don't want to sit and do Zooms. 0:13:43.340 --> 0:13:44.780 I want to go in and meet with someone, sit 0:13:44.820 --> 0:13:46.840 in your studio, see what it feels like. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.660 But you understand the power of connection then. 0:13:49.250 --> 0:13:52.450 Totally. And I think that's why The Traders is such 0:13:52.490 --> 0:13:56.070 a successful show, is because you are forced to connect 0:13:56.150 --> 0:13:58.780 with people, whether you like them or whether you don't. 0:13:59.020 --> 0:14:02.199 You are forced to connect with them over however long 0:14:02.220 --> 0:14:03.780 you manage to stay in the manor house. 0:14:04.179 --> 0:14:06.300 A lot of people were contacted about doing this show. 0:14:06.980 --> 0:14:11.390 So this format is very clearly, they borrow housewives money. 0:14:11.710 --> 0:14:14.990 Survivor people, Big Brother people, RuPaul's Drag Race people, they 0:14:15.010 --> 0:14:18.410 are commonly seen in the different communities. And I know 0:14:18.450 --> 0:14:21.050 Tully was in there representing Big Brother, but I was 0:14:21.110 --> 0:14:23.830 also in the audition process. So I know that there 0:14:23.910 --> 0:14:27.210 must have been a lot of other people from those categories. 0:14:27.490 --> 0:14:29.670 Are you the only Sydney housewife that was asked to 0:14:29.710 --> 0:14:30.200 do the show? 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:30.620 Yes. 0:14:31.220 --> 0:14:32.980 And why do you think that you were asked? Are 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.720 you the Lisa Rinna of Australian housewives? 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.880 No, probably because the producers who also one of the 0:14:39.900 --> 0:14:43.520 producers worked on the show from Housewives. I'm easy. I'm 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.860 easy to do business with. And I think that's really 0:14:45.900 --> 0:14:49.710 important as a reality star. And I know this is 0:14:49.770 --> 0:14:51.850 the case down in Melbourne as well. You've got to 0:14:51.890 --> 0:14:53.670 be easy to work with. At the end of the day, 0:14:53.730 --> 0:14:55.510 this is a job. You've got to be reliable. You've 0:14:55.530 --> 0:14:57.510 got to show up on time. You can't whinge and 0:14:57.530 --> 0:15:00.150 complain too much. You can't take sick days. And I 0:15:00.210 --> 0:15:03.130 think that's something that's, you know, really important. Why do 0:15:03.150 --> 0:15:04.320 you think you weren't chosen? 0:15:05.650 --> 0:15:09.430 I think I'm problematic and I probably am outspoken. 0:15:09.460 --> 0:15:13.220 Be problematic. It's exactly right. You've got to be able 0:15:13.260 --> 0:15:14.400 to work with people. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.240 Well, I think that, you know, look, I fell out 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.060 with Tully years ago and I think she did an 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.359 amazing job. I'm very proud of her and I think 0:15:22.420 --> 0:15:24.220 the Big Brother community are very proud of her. 0:15:24.700 --> 0:15:26.470 What did you fall out about? I love a bit 0:15:26.500 --> 0:15:27.050 of gossip. 0:15:27.190 --> 0:15:29.970 Well, it's my fault, I have to tell you. So, 0:15:30.530 --> 0:15:33.930 I mean, we've always had a fairly problematic friendship since 0:15:33.970 --> 0:15:36.960 the show. She came out of being eliminated and I said, oh, 0:15:36.980 --> 0:15:39.240 I think you're great. But she read my Twitter and 0:15:39.260 --> 0:15:41.239 I actually said, you know, who would you save in 0:15:41.260 --> 0:15:44.540 a fire, Tully or Jade? And I wrote underneath it, neither. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.780 And she read that at the time and that was 0:15:47.060 --> 0:15:48.300 rude of me, you know. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:48.880 To heart. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.260 But then I tried over the years. However, she kept 0:15:52.370 --> 0:15:54.420 thinking I was leaking stuff to the media. But I 0:15:54.490 --> 0:15:57.530 wasn't writing anything about her until all of a sudden 0:15:58.010 --> 0:16:02.990 something turned up on a not mainstream media publication where 0:16:03.250 --> 0:16:05.530 I reiterated a story about the two of us that 0:16:05.550 --> 0:16:08.330 I shouldn't have. And I told that person, do not 0:16:08.370 --> 0:16:11.710 publish this. But It was published. Tully sent it to 0:16:11.770 --> 0:16:13.750 me and I just doubled down and said, hey, look, 0:16:13.770 --> 0:16:16.150 you know what? We're not friends. Let's just call this. 0:16:16.250 --> 0:16:19.370 And she then promptly deleted me off everything. Oh, no. 0:16:19.830 --> 0:16:21.870 I really like Tully as a person. I think she 0:16:21.910 --> 0:16:25.900 makes great television. I found her to be very different 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.540 to the Tully that I've probably had a relationship with 0:16:28.620 --> 0:16:29.160 over the years. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.140 We had a really great moment, which I wish they 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:33.660 would have shown for the traders. 0:16:33.820 --> 0:16:36.280 I'm disappointed we didn't see more of her. And I 0:16:36.300 --> 0:16:39.400 think she's been out in the media talking about potentially 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.890 why she wasn't seen as much. But look, I don't 0:16:42.930 --> 0:16:44.890 doubt the fact that she would have been making great 0:16:44.910 --> 0:16:46.790 connections because Tully's very good at doing that. 0:16:47.220 --> 0:16:50.160 Yeah. No, we had, we had a beautiful scene where 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:51.980 both of us were tied to a pole and we 0:16:52.020 --> 0:16:54.860 got buried deep. Both of us were crying and, but 0:16:54.900 --> 0:16:58.200 you know, the 13 days, it's 13 episodes. They can 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.220 only show so much, but this is the thing with 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.960 reality TV. The problem is it does then relate out 0:17:04.060 --> 0:17:08.040 into other life and people don't realize you might say something. 0:17:08.060 --> 0:17:10.520 And then because you are an identity, it then goes 0:17:10.580 --> 0:17:13.119 somewhere else. And, and I think, you know, I've grown 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.170 up You know, from a very young age, I've got 0:17:15.210 --> 0:17:17.609 three older sisters, we were all modeling, we're all out 0:17:17.650 --> 0:17:20.820 in the media. So I've, you know, been really careful. 0:17:21.100 --> 0:17:23.600 And if I'm saying that someone, you know, is a 0:17:23.700 --> 0:17:26.740 nightmare and closed down the show, then I know that's 0:17:26.770 --> 0:17:27.490 going to get out there. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.020 But don't you think, though, that being on these shows, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.190 even if you don't like someone from your family, let's 0:17:33.230 --> 0:17:35.429 just call them families, your housewife family or my big 0:17:35.470 --> 0:17:38.889 brother family, it's very much like a sibling relationship. You know, 0:17:38.990 --> 0:17:41.510 even when you don't particularly like someone on the show, 0:17:41.730 --> 0:17:43.580 you can say a whole bunch of crap about them. 0:17:43.630 --> 0:17:45.939 But if anyone else speaks badly of them, you want 0:17:45.980 --> 0:17:47.340 to defend it. Oh, no. No? 0:17:47.420 --> 0:17:49.340 I don't find that, no. 0:17:49.660 --> 0:17:49.980 Oh, I. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:54.240 Likely agree with them. Yes, you're right. Say more, because 0:17:54.300 --> 0:17:55.090 I don't want to say it. 0:17:55.450 --> 0:17:57.170 Well, one of the other things I just wanted to say, 0:17:57.250 --> 0:17:59.649 just leaning back into this whole connection of family amongst 0:18:00.230 --> 0:18:03.010 TV shows, now you're a part of the Traders family, 0:18:03.170 --> 0:18:06.080 and obviously we've all heard how special the bond is 0:18:06.140 --> 0:18:08.619 with everyone, but we also know that AJ's out on 0:18:08.660 --> 0:18:11.500 his own island and hasn't really connected, hasn't done press. 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.720 Are you feeling as the mother hen that it might 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.020 be your responsibility to try and bring him back in, or. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.479 Yeah, no, AJ and I chat. There's no one that 0:18:19.550 --> 0:18:21.750