WEBVTT - Your Middle East questions, answered

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the Daily This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 1>of June. I'm Billy Fitzsimon's I'm Sam Kazlowski. For nearly

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks now, Iran and Israel have been engaged in

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<v Speaker 1>a war that has kept the world anxiously waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens next. As we have covered this week already,

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<v Speaker 1>the US effectively entered the war by bombing the three

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear sites in Iran, which Iran responded to by launching

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<v Speaker 1>missile strikes on US military basis in Qatar. Yesterday on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, we asked what you still wanted to know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were inundated with questions, So today we are

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<v Speaker 1>answering them.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy, before we get into the podcast, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to kind of ground ourselves in when we're recording this.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're recording this late on Tuesday. And the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason I'm saying that is just because of how quickly

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<v Speaker 2>the situation can change. In this story, give us a

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<v Speaker 2>sense right now of where things are at as you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are having this discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So just to catch everyone up some very brief

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<v Speaker 1>contexts to start us off. So, Israel and Iran have

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<v Speaker 1>been at war for about two weeks now, when Israel

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<v Speaker 1>sent over the first missiles with the aim of destroying

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<v Speaker 1>Iran's nuclear capabilities. Now, over the past weekend that we

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<v Speaker 1>just had, the US effectively entered the war by bombing

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<v Speaker 1>three nuclear sites in Iran. Like I mentioned earlier, and

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<v Speaker 1>a key bit of context here is that the US

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<v Speaker 1>is Israel's closest ally and so then yesterday morning we

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<v Speaker 1>woke to the news that Iran had retaliated against the

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<v Speaker 1>US with strikes on an American military base in Qatar.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was one of America's well, that was America's

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<v Speaker 1>most important military base in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, America has about forty thousand US troops in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. Yeah, a large presence there. So there was

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<v Speaker 2>an expectation that Iran would retaliate after the US strikes

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend, and sure enough this happened. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's President Trump, we found out via our truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Social yes, his own social media platform. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>any more context about what has happened over the past

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, I recommend going back and listening to some

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<v Speaker 1>of our other podcasts, which we'll give you a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more context about what has happened. But back to what

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<v Speaker 1>did happen yesterday. So Iran retaliated like we said, and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump called Iran's response week and then hours later Trump

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<v Speaker 1>actually declared that there had been a ceasefire between Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and Iran. Now he said, like we said. Sam on

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<v Speaker 1>his own social media platform, True Social he said, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran

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<v Speaker 1>that there will be a complete and total ceasefire. He added,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a war that could have gone on for

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<v Speaker 1>years and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>and it never will. It was a bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>odd way to find out that there had been this ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 1>because it obviously wasn't from either of the two key parties,

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<v Speaker 1>being Iran or Israel. Now, it was quite confusing yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon here in Sydney trying to figure out whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not there definitely had been this ceasefire agreement. Eventually, after

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<v Speaker 1>a few hours, both Iran and Israel confirmed there had

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<v Speaker 1>been this seasfire. But then literally within minutes or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just under an hour, we heard from the IDF that

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<v Speaker 1>Iran had launched missiles, and then Israel confirmed that they

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<v Speaker 1>had launched missiles in response to that, so the ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>had broken effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy, I want to go to some audience questions now,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's start with a really easy one. Essentially, are

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<v Speaker 2>we heading towards World War three? And you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have talked about this quite a bit over the past

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks. There's a couple of ways to tackle this.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your answer, Well, I think this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of in my friendship circles. Everyone is asking

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<v Speaker 1>this question, and even on Google searches, on Google trends,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see that over the past two weeks, searches

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<v Speaker 1>for whether or not there will be World War three

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<v Speaker 1>have completely spiked. What's hard about this is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is no set definition of.

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<v Speaker 2>A world war, and that's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this, so I wanted the Daily Ods

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<v Speaker 1>to do a post on this last week because I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was such an interesting question that so many

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<v Speaker 1>of us were asking. But it was really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>answer because there's no globally accepted definition of what is

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<v Speaker 1>a world war, and so there's nothing to say that

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<v Speaker 1>if X happens, then we're officially in a world war.

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<v Speaker 1>Historians do generally accept that a world war is a

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<v Speaker 1>conflict that draws in multiple countries with direct involvement. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no wee exact number of how many countries need

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<v Speaker 1>to get involved for it to officially be declared a

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<v Speaker 1>world war.

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<v Speaker 2>I've read some commentary from historians when we were doing

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<v Speaker 2>this sticking that it also can be determined by the

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<v Speaker 2>number of continents involved. I mean, there's so many different

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<v Speaker 2>ways to kind of chop this up, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, it does seem like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit I don't want to make this too crass,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does seem like it's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of vibe. Yeah, and it's a bit of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of when somebody says it, then that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One thing to note that tda's political journalist Harry

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<v Speaker 1>was discussing last week when we were all talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this in the office, is that after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the US of course invaded Afghanistan, and while that conflict

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<v Speaker 1>escalated and brought in multiple countries, including Australia, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>considered a world war. And I thought that was a

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<v Speaker 1>really good point that that is a conflict where there

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<v Speaker 1>were many countries involved and it wasn't considered a world war.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's this really interesting question of how do you

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<v Speaker 1>define a world war?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that you know, so, there might be

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<v Speaker 2>points where some leaders do come out and say it

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<v Speaker 2>is a world war. And if that's not almost endorsed

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<v Speaker 2>by the international community and adopted as the view, then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you won't have consensus even then about whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's a world war or not. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel like if there's conflicts that almost unify,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's alliances between say Russia, China and Iran, all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it does feel like one battlefield, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I could imagine the term world war being used.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to say, just to settle everyone's anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>we're a long way from that. We are a long.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, yes, and yet the answer to it today is

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<v Speaker 1>we're not in World War three and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>close to it at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm keen to ask you another question, but just quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hear from our sponsor. Well, let's talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about us, and by us, I mean here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, we had a lot of questions from people

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<v Speaker 2>asking about the local impact and how we and how

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<v Speaker 2>we would be affected by the growing conflicts in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. What's your take on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the first thing to say is that

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's Prime Minister, Anthony Alberanezi has been at pains to

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<v Speaker 1>emphasize in all of the press conferences that he has

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<v Speaker 1>done over the past few weeks that Australia is not

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<v Speaker 1>a central player in this conflict at all like the

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<v Speaker 1>US is for example. You know, we're not a key

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<v Speaker 1>ally of Israel or Iran, so in terms of our

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<v Speaker 1>domestic and national security, there's very minimal impact, if at all,

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<v Speaker 1>there in saying that Australia is a key ally of

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<v Speaker 1>the US. And so the Australian government has said that

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<v Speaker 1>it supports what the US did in bombing the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>sites in Iran, but that's kind of been the extent

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<v Speaker 1>of our involvement in this. One thing it could impact

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<v Speaker 1>though for Australians is travel well, actually it already has

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<v Speaker 1>impacted the travel for many Australians both leaving Australia and

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<v Speaker 1>also many who are trying to come back home to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is impacting people, even if they're not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the Middle East, which I imagine now

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<v Speaker 1>is very few people for travel. There's not really one

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<v Speaker 1>answer here, I think, just as a general statement, the

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<v Speaker 1>world's airspace has definitely been impacted, and basically at the

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<v Speaker 1>drop of a hat, there have been airspaces, especially over

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East, that have been completely closed and that

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<v Speaker 1>has impacted certain routes. For example, Dubai, which is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the busiest airports in the world and is a

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<v Speaker 1>stopover for many flights leaving Australia, that has of course

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<v Speaker 1>been impacted. But I'm sure for anyone who has booked

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<v Speaker 1>flights that are coming up in the coming weeks, it's

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<v Speaker 1>something to check in with the airline that you're flying with.

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<v Speaker 2>As we all know all too well, even if there's

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<v Speaker 2>no direct cancelations that affect you, there's always a backlog

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<v Speaker 2>of traffic and there's always systems that are a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more under stress, be it at airport security or this.

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<v Speaker 2>So it will definitely impact anyone traveling internationally, I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>for the next couple of weeks at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I would check Smart Traveler for wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>are heading, they have a lot of detailed information about

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<v Speaker 1>any security risks about destinations all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Another way it could impact Australians though, is not those

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<v Speaker 2>traveling but those who remain here, and it could impact

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<v Speaker 2>us at the petrol tank or at the supermarket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Iran is a major oil producer and with

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<v Speaker 1>this conflict there is of course the chance that their

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<v Speaker 1>oil production facilities could be damaged, or even if they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been damaged, the aspect of the transport getting from

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<v Speaker 1>Iran to other places around the world will inevitably be impacted.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there is the expectation that this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to likely mean that there will be lower global supply

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<v Speaker 1>of oil and that will of course impact petrol prices.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the expectation that petrol prices will likely go up,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine by quite a lot in the coming weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's kind of two ways to think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're totally right that it's about whether the supply of

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<v Speaker 2>oil has been damaged by an if the strikes and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the logistical challenges of getting oil out of

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<v Speaker 2>a country that's in the middle of kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>state of war. The other aspect, though, is that it

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<v Speaker 2>could actually be used by Iran as a global response,

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<v Speaker 2>so they could actually say we're not sending as much

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<v Speaker 2>oil out into the.

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<v Speaker 1>World as in they could gatekeep it.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, And because it's such a major distributor of oil,

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<v Speaker 2>that could be quite a powerful way to affect the

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<v Speaker 2>economies of those that you're wishing to target. In either

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<v Speaker 2>of those cases, You're right, it could be quite quick.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not even necessarily going to rise in price

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<v Speaker 2>because there's not as much oil right here on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more about the price in anxiety and people perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>panicking and going to fill up tanks of petrol because

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<v Speaker 2>they think it might get it more expensive later.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's instantly more demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that's where kind of panic can take over

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<v Speaker 2>economic markets. And you see that vision, it's almost like COVID, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's supermarkets. You see vision of empty shelves all.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the place. So likely we're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not there yet. I feel like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of well.

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<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't use the word yet, because we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we'll get that again. There could be the ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>and this could be over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be pretty comfortable saying that we'll see some impact

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<v Speaker 2>on petrol prices, but I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, dramatic at this stage. Yeah, Okay, so Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the other aspects of this story that's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot in the way that global leaders are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about potential Iranian responses is this idea of terror

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<v Speaker 2>attacks being used by Iran, state sponsored terror attacks being

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<v Speaker 2>used by Iran as a response against those who attacks them,

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<v Speaker 2>being the US and its allies, including Australia. So the

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<v Speaker 2>questions that we got were kind of, what are the

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<v Speaker 2>chances of a terrorist attack in western countries and have

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<v Speaker 2>those chances gone up in the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Just quickly on that. I think one thing that's also

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps important to note is that there could be the

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<v Speaker 1>state sponsored terrorism attacks, but then also we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>that the tension amongst communities is particularly high at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>not just from the past two weeks, but over the

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<v Speaker 1>past two years, and so you could also have sole

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<v Speaker 1>actors who emerge from that and conduct terrorist attacks that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't necessarily on behalf of Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've heard that from Australia's security leadership that the

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<v Speaker 2>temperature is higher exactly at a social level here in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and at an international level.

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<v Speaker 1>As well, and it's actually because of that that the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature amongst the communities is so high at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>that in August of last year, Australia's national terrorism threat

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<v Speaker 1>actually increased to probable. And so what that means is,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Australian security officials, they say, it means that

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<v Speaker 1>there is quote a greater than fifty percent chance of

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<v Speaker 1>an onshore attack or attack planning in the next twelve months. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of why it is at this level, it

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<v Speaker 1>does specifically mention what is happening in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>So it says the rise of individual grievance narratives and

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<v Speaker 1>how they are expressed are impacting society's ability to find

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<v Speaker 1>common ground. It goes on a little bit more, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it says global events such as the conflict in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East have resonated in Australia and will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. So that's more talking about those isolated incidents.

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi was asked this week if there

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<v Speaker 1>is an increased threat of terrorism in Australia now after

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<v Speaker 1>what we have seen over the past two weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said that ASIO, the National Security Agency here in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>is constantly monitoring, but he said there has been no

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<v Speaker 1>change in any of the advice that has been issued.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the way that that's being

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<v Speaker 2>framed in the US, it's a little different, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say that's because the US is a much more direct

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<v Speaker 2>actor in this. So the US Department of Homeland SEC,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, it's said in the statement that there is

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<v Speaker 2>a heightened threat environment in the US and that the

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<v Speaker 2>conflicts could contribute to US based individuals plotting additional attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's a little different in Australia. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't got that direct involvement and we haven't had the

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<v Speaker 2>same language being used by our leaders. Billy, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>one more question, and it's a bit of a different

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<v Speaker 2>type of question. It's more a question about, as our

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<v Speaker 2>editor in chief, how you kind of run our newsroom here.

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<v Speaker 2>And the question that we get a lot is about

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<v Speaker 2>how we use our comments section and more specifically, why

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<v Speaker 2>we turn it off on posts that are related to

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<v Speaker 2>what's been happening in the past two weeks. Talk us

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<v Speaker 2>through the decisions being made behind the scenes and what

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<v Speaker 2>goes into a decision like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, I guess we're talking about it now in

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<v Speaker 1>light of the past two weeks, but we've been having

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about this over the past two years, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>light of what has been happening with the Israel jamaswa

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza, because of course, we receive so many different

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<v Speaker 1>messages from our audience to know why exactly we do

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<v Speaker 1>have to turn our comment section off, and the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is because of hate speech. You know, whenever we have

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<v Speaker 1>left the comments on, it has spiraled into hate speech,

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<v Speaker 1>into racist comments. Sometimes it is between audience members to

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<v Speaker 1>other audience members. Sometimes it's from audience members to members

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<v Speaker 1>of the TDA staff room. And we obviously have an

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<v Speaker 1>obligation to protect employees at TDA. I mean, to be

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<v Speaker 1>completely honest, we are a small team, and to moderate

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of conversation when it has spiraled into thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of comments of hate speech, we can't moderate that. It's impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to add to that, there's this whole other

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of this that's important that I spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time thinking about, and that's our legal obligations and

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<v Speaker 2>our kind of obligations to the profession of journalism. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's the MEAA code, which is the Media Ethics Alliance.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a code about how responsible publishers should be

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<v Speaker 2>moderating hate speech. The United Nations has a code for

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<v Speaker 2>media on how hate speech should be moderated. There's also

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<v Speaker 2>always risk of defamation lawsuits, you know, causing damage to somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>mental damage to somebody by allowing comments to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we had a bigger team, and if we

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<v Speaker 2>were a more well resourced newsroom and not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>under twenty people all age thirty and below, who are

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<v Speaker 2>giving this whole media thing a crack, then we would

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<v Speaker 2>do stuff like have full time moderators and perhaps you

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<v Speaker 2>would see more open comments sections, but ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>tightly moderated minute to minute. But it is interesting, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, that even the biggest media organizations in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>those with almost unlimited resources, even those guys aren't keeping

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<v Speaker 2>up with minute to minute moderation. And everybody is really

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like in the best interests of their readers and

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<v Speaker 2>their staff that limiting comments on social media when you

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<v Speaker 2>can see evidence that it's descending into a bit of chaos,

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be the responsible move there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, in the ABC, who has

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of employees and does have full time moderators, they

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<v Speaker 1>are still turning off their comments on pretty much all

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<v Speaker 1>posts when it comes to the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's a real shame because there are

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<v Speaker 2>in all of those posts really interesting conversations that are

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<v Speaker 2>happening between good natured people who are curious about the

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<v Speaker 2>world around them and how this affects the changing nature

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<v Speaker 2>of their worlds. I think there's a lot of good

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in there, but as you've just said, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>really expose ourselves or our people, or our listeners and

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<v Speaker 2>readers to that sort of risk, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a challenging next couple of months. I think. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is not going to get any karma just yet,

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<v Speaker 2>or certainly not going to get less complex. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think we've got the responsibility to our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>to keep them in the loop with how we're making

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<v Speaker 2>these sorts of decisions and hopefully doing the best job

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<v Speaker 2>at explaining what's going on as we possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>One other thing that I just want to add is

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<v Speaker 1>that I hope no one listened to that thought that

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<v Speaker 1>it's because the Daily ODS doesn't believe that we should

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<v Speaker 1>be criticized at times. You know, criticism of media outlets

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<v Speaker 1>around the world is an important part of any democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got nothing to do with that. It's when

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<v Speaker 1>the comments cross the line of being personal, racist or

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<v Speaker 1>being hate speech that we have to draw a line

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<v Speaker 1>and protect people. But it's not because we believe that

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<v Speaker 1>TDA shouldn't be criticized.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's one of the best bits of a modern

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<v Speaker 2>democracy is free and fair press. We're always going to

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<v Speaker 2>do our best to try and protect that. Definitely, Billy,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for a really difficult but a really interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a fast moving one as well. I would encourage

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<v Speaker 2>people to keep an eye on our Instagram throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>day if they want to keep up to speed with

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<v Speaker 2>some of the developments that happen throughout the day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always good to come back to the podcast have a

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<v Speaker 2>listen to kind of get a sense of the big picture.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you wanted more of those up to speed

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<v Speaker 2>updates will always be over there on social media. Up Billy,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much, Thank you, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>listening to the Daily Ods this morning. Going to be

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<v Speaker 2>back with some headlines later this afternoon until then have

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<v Speaker 2>a great day.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>both past and present.