Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 1: Woo it's a flexing Frooms podcast. Really loving the podcast.
Speaker 1: Please do some five star reviews up in this beach.
Speaker 3: Well, what's going on?
Speaker 1: But I think we got like seven hundred. Could could
Speaker 1: be better.
Speaker 4: I mean everything could be better, but we're learning to
Speaker 4: be happy with where we're at. You're looking like someone
Speaker 4: right now and it's freaking me out.
Speaker 1: Goku. No, I've like gotten to the end of the
Speaker 1: day where I'm just trying to get the gel out
Speaker 1: of my hair and I look like Goku with the hair. Goku.
Speaker 4: You like those people say sushi, you know the ones,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 4: they say cals on there, but they're not Italian sushi.
Speaker 1: For me, it's yogurt yoget your community. Shut up.
Speaker 4: You already know said do an even play like it's
Speaker 4: not directly from your lineage.
Speaker 1: Geez, let's go is flex and Rooms on Kata.
Speaker 4: Look, the girlies are going through it, namely because we
Speaker 4: have thoughts, and you know how that is. It's hard
Speaker 4: to big ask for a pretty girl two pretty girls.
Speaker 1: I have been spoken for.
Speaker 4: I was scrolling the tiki took the other day, as
Speaker 4: one does, came across this video. Can't remember who posted it,
Speaker 4: but they were talking about content creation and how with
Speaker 4: enough months, weeks, years on the platform, you will inherently offend.
Speaker 1: A lot of people.
Speaker 4: And what eventually happens is you start feeling really guilty
Speaker 4: and really fearful and ashamed that you common old you
Speaker 4: could be able to incite so much frustration another person,
Speaker 4: and then you get numb and then you stop caring.
Speaker 4: And based on that conversation, a moral dilemma came to me,
Speaker 4: and I was thinking, at what point do you have
Speaker 4: to care when you've offended someone? Because not all offense
Speaker 4: is intentional, not all offense is directed where it lands,
Speaker 4: not all offense is your business anyway. Someone is just
Speaker 4: inherent And I was thinking, we need a tearless like
Speaker 4: a comprehensive guy. But even before that, we need to
Speaker 4: discuss situations in which we've offended people and not even
Speaker 4: known and have had to bear the brunt of that,
Speaker 4: situations in which we intended to offend it and did
Speaker 4: not land And like you didn't see that? I hate
Speaker 4: her though, And also like if we can figure out personally,
Speaker 4: like where our scale is, Like, do you think that
Speaker 4: now you spend so much time on the internet, you're
Speaker 4: more immune to this idea that the stranger on the
Speaker 4: other side is offended by what you wore or how
Speaker 4: you look, or how you said something or what they
Speaker 4: thought you in third but was actually quite opposite from
Speaker 4: the reality.
Speaker 3: Who bloody knows?
Speaker 4: I reckon we start like the most bottom of the
Speaker 4: barrel level of offense is like prejudice, racism. People just
Speaker 4: don't like our vibes, they don't like our vibe, whatever
Speaker 4: it might be.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about ourselves specifically, yeah, personal experience experienced
Speaker 1: us Yeah, yeah, let's just.
Speaker 4: Say bottom of the barrel. I would say with like,
Speaker 4: offense broadly is where we don't have to feel bad
Speaker 4: or apologize.
Speaker 1: Is just for the way we are, the way.
Speaker 4: We look, the way we came out the womb, like
Speaker 4: a nationality, ethnicity, like it just is what it is.
Speaker 4: I cannot apologize broadly for Australia, unfortunately, it's.
Speaker 3: Just I'm not gonna hold that. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: The second level of offense that I think that we
Speaker 4: don't have to care about is personal opinions that we
Speaker 4: actually feel strongly about Yes, correct. It gets to a
Speaker 4: point where I can't be apologetic because we don't share
Speaker 4: a similar view on a thing. Sometimes we just don't agree,
Speaker 4: so I might say, or for example, we have our
Speaker 4: rules for life, and one of your rules for life
Speaker 4: is that on a first date it should be and
Speaker 4: both parties should pay. If someone came back and said
Speaker 4: that's really offensive, you know one party has put in
Speaker 4: a lot more effort than the other party. I just
Speaker 4: feel like, la la, la, la la, it's white noise
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: I'm not listening.
Speaker 4: Just have your opinion and go totally. It's not on
Speaker 4: me to shoulder that. It's all good. I'm not mad,
Speaker 4: you're not mad. Let's get a pushing thirtier. I've said
Speaker 4: something offensive. It was uninformed. I did in fact check.
Speaker 4: I was rowdy. You know, the joke didn't land. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you gotta cop it, boopsie. Sometimes you just have.
Speaker 3: To cop if it lands and it's offensive.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean For.
Speaker 3: That one, I'm not going to grovel.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting on my hands and knees and be
Speaker 4: like hey, but I will say you probably.
Speaker 1: Do have to care. We also talk about behavior of
Speaker 1: people that are offended, Like, what's their right of reply?
Speaker 1: Do they have to accept any apology?
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like no, in the same way, we
Speaker 4: don't have to accept the offense. I remember, I have
Speaker 4: this core memory. It's a bit fuzzy, but it's one
Speaker 4: of the last times I ever engaged in that back
Speaker 4: and forth. Someone's misinterpreted what I've said or gone back
Speaker 4: and forth or whatever. And I remember I was like
Speaker 4: in Marrickville. I was driving and I stopped because I
Speaker 4: got a call, and I was like, Oh, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna chill for a bit. It's peak out anyway. And
Speaker 4: so I was on the call on one on the
Speaker 4: car play and I was scrolling through my Instagram dms
Speaker 4: and someone sent me a DM and they were popping
Speaker 4: off and I don't even know what it was about,
Speaker 4: but I do remember being like, that's not even what
Speaker 4: I said. Like you're arguing a point I didn't even make.
Speaker 4: I could make it up. I could have been like
Speaker 4: I'm capitalism's handmaiden and that's why I work really hard.
Speaker 4: And then they were like, you're saying that working class
Speaker 4: people don't deserve rights, and like, what are you even
Speaker 4: arguing about?
Speaker 3: It was this whole paragraph.
Speaker 4: I went back and I was like, I don't think
Speaker 4: you understood what I meant, but like this is what
Speaker 4: I meant. And they were like no, no, no, this
Speaker 4: and this and this, and I was like, I think
Speaker 4: I was sitting there for about thirty minutes, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I just don't understand what you want me
Speaker 4: to say, because even if I apologize, you've already seen
Speaker 4: this last thirty minutes of conversation where I didn't understand
Speaker 4: and I wasn't apologizing. If I just plack at you,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna sit well. Went back forth, back and forth,
Speaker 4: back and forth, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, you don't even care.
Speaker 4: You don't care because the part of you that cared
Speaker 4: about this being resolved died when you DM.
Speaker 1: Me facts violence, violence, violence was jokes.
Speaker 4: And I was sitting here and I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: really taking this on, Like I was feeling so anxious,
Speaker 4: my vision was going blurry, my heart was beating because
Speaker 4: this person was pissed, and I just didn't know. Like
Speaker 4: it's almost like I didn't have the vocabulary or the
Speaker 4: empathy to be like, I just don't know what to
Speaker 4: care about because I acknowledge that you're upset. But I
Speaker 4: didn't even like, I didn't even say what you think
Speaker 4: I said. And so now I'm like, it's your problem,
Speaker 4: is it my problem? So in terms of the people
Speaker 4: who who, what do we call the offended? Yes, the offended,
Speaker 4: I would say, if the message is broad, yes, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna care less about the offended. As in, if the
Speaker 4: thing you said is broad, yes, if it was like
Speaker 4: an over generalization, if I was like, I'm not dating
Speaker 4: people who are still from the supermarket.
Speaker 3: If you come to me one on one with a
Speaker 3: like neually, I don't care.
Speaker 1: That's a bit of a hard one though, because that's
Speaker 1: like illegal.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is, right, if I've said something broadly, off
Speaker 4: the cuff, whatever, and it's landed somewhere in your vicinity
Speaker 4: and it's really hit.
Speaker 1: A spot, hold it, hold it.
Speaker 4: If I've said, in particular, this particular thing, I'm really
Speaker 4: sick of girls who wear pinstriped their suits with tattoos,
Speaker 4: who have hombred. Now get on my nerves or whatever,
Speaker 4: and you happen to fit all that criteria and it's personal.
Speaker 4: Come talk to me, and I'm gonna see what we
Speaker 4: can do. I'm gonna see what we can do, but
Speaker 4: I just can't. Like if something I say just happens
Speaker 4: to land in your vicinity by virtue of an algorithm,
Speaker 4: or like you overheard, leave me out of it.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Like it feels.
Speaker 4: Like a you problem because you don't know me enough
Speaker 4: for me to coddle you.
Speaker 1: Facts.
Speaker 4: What kind of apology could I get from a stranger
Speaker 4: on the internet. That's gonna be like, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: I needed. You know what I need a hug from
Speaker 4: my mum and a back rum.
Speaker 1: Respectfully, thank you, Oh the Internet.
Speaker 4: I do think it's something that we all need to
Speaker 4: think about, because I remember I read I watched this
Speaker 4: ted talk by Sarah Knight. I think it's called the
Speaker 4: Magic of not giving a fuck, okay, And the concept
Speaker 4: that she references is this idea that we all have
Speaker 4: a finite amount of fucks to give and that we
Speaker 4: need to be a lot more discerning about what we
Speaker 4: actually give a fuck about. So you figure out what
Speaker 4: your fuck buckets are, and then you allocate and you
Speaker 4: put stuff in them. So if I really give a
Speaker 4: fuck about my friends, you know, my inner circle, it's
Speaker 4: gotta be like my top ten, maybe the twenty around them.
Speaker 3: I don't have you a party friend on the fringe.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
Speaker 4: In the content of the party, I got you. But
Speaker 4: on the day to day I can only really give
Speaker 4: a fuck about the besties and my family, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Maybe I care a lot about psychology
Speaker 4: and philosophy for me broadly, right, but I don't really
Speaker 4: give a fuck to be debating people on the internet
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: And like I didn't know that distinction before.
Speaker 4: I was like, I must love the whole experience, right,
Speaker 4: or like I really love talking about things I'm interested in, right,
Speaker 4: I really give a fuck about that. But talking about
Speaker 4: things I'm interested in to people who don't find it
Speaker 4: interesting probably not totally. So maybe I'm not gonna put
Speaker 4: so much energy towards that. And that is really like
Speaker 4: a refreshing way to like view your interactions because unfortunately,
Speaker 4: and I hate cliches, but people really are gonna dislike
Speaker 4: you for no reason anyway, So to be the most
Speaker 4: well rounded, nice, patient, kind person and someone will still
Speaker 4: say I don't trust nice people.
Speaker 1: There's always away, there's always away. Well, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: I think we can keep going on about it. But oh, flexis.
Speaker 3: Sorry, light is on shining a torch.
Speaker 1: So Boomer of you, this is a this is a
Speaker 1: contentious one, I think definitely.
Speaker 3: And I think it's it's not like a rules for life.
Speaker 4: It's one that requires case by case by case basis.
Speaker 4: But I would say, as a standard, I'm not holding
Speaker 4: shit that's not mine. And the Internet wants to do
Speaker 4: that every day.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 3: They leave me out of it, please flex and froods.
Speaker 1: On occasion, our producer brook sets me up for failure,
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, never, don't say that. And at
Speaker 1: times I take good what do you call it assassination? Yeah,
Speaker 1: At times, FLEXI, I will take the bait. And today's
Speaker 1: one of the times. I'm doing the eight Saint Challenge
Speaker 1: where Brookie has brought along five nationalities, all of which
Speaker 1: I could be from, and I have to take a
Speaker 1: stab at them. Have a listened to the original TikTok Place?
Speaker 5: American I wish I could, but I don't want to. Standard,
Speaker 5: British I wish I could, but I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Devin Sure, I wish I could, but I don't want to.
Speaker 5: German I wish I could, but I don't find too.
Speaker 1: This is really scary, so I want to be attempting the German,
Speaker 1: but I do have a few flexes in my personal health. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start, please, Brookie with the first Australian. You put
Speaker 1: the lime in the coconut and you mix it all up.
Speaker 3: Do you want to try a few different versions of Australian.
Speaker 3: I think you're cheating.
Speaker 1: Nah, that's it, okay, Irish.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to practice being supportive.
Speaker 1: You put the lame in the corconut, you mix it
Speaker 1: all loop. That's Irish? Is it runs run of pause?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Thank you? Georady. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: It's like Liverpool, like Jordy, sure, yeah, like Scouse. All right,
Speaker 1: you put the lame in the coconut, you mix it
Speaker 1: all lop. Is that Irish? No?
Speaker 3: I feel like I that might be it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's Journy Scottish. You put the lame in the
Speaker 1: coconut and you mix it all up. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's all just like alternate froofs. It's American American.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate this. You put the lime in the coconut.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awful. Next one, okay, you Scottish. That's God's
Speaker 1: why I'm saying against Okay, standard British. I'm gonna know
Speaker 1: this standard British. You put the lime in the coconut
Speaker 1: and you mix it all up, and that's on that answer,
Speaker 1: Strange said, you can't know this cis I'll do Scottish
Speaker 1: for you one. What time it's a final Scottish You
Speaker 1: put the lome in the core? Can I send you
Speaker 1: mix it all up? Nailed that one?
Speaker 3: Why did it sound exactly like Irish? And children? And
Speaker 3: at this one I can't tell feel really really good
Speaker 3: or really really bad? Like she nailing this or that's
Speaker 3: exposure therapy.
Speaker 1: Keters, flex and frooms, flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: You know how? I don't know. Ten years ago on
Speaker 3: the news they.
Speaker 4: Were like everybody's lonely loneliness epidemic and they just have
Speaker 4: not like revised that data because it's gotten worse. People
Speaker 4: don't have friends, then I have like community support networks, nothing.
Speaker 4: And on occasion when I posed a question to my
Speaker 4: various audiences to ask me questions, one of the top
Speaker 4: three is how do you make friends? As someone who
Speaker 4: has plenty of friends? I don't know because I kept
Speaker 4: mine from back in the days and also scooped them
Speaker 4: up from like work, and pe to ps and like
Speaker 4: mutual friends. But I saw this TikTok the other day
Speaker 4: and I said, you know what, that's a but nobody
Speaker 4: wants to do that.
Speaker 3: Listen to this.
Speaker 6: If you want to make new friends, I think you
Speaker 6: should be posting on social media. I think we are
Speaker 6: as isolated as ever. Sex drive as a whole is
Speaker 6: down in our generation, depression is up. And I was
Speaker 6: talking to my brother about this, how like I feel
Speaker 6: like in your mid twenties, it's really hard to make
Speaker 6: new friends. Like you're not in college anymore, you're not
Speaker 6: meeting new people. The only time you're meeting new people
Speaker 6: is like through dating apps or online like on social media,
Speaker 6: or you're like running into them at work or through
Speaker 6: mutual friends. But it's not as easy as it used
Speaker 6: to be when you were younger to meet new people.
Speaker 6: And I think posting is a really good way to
Speaker 6: remind people that, like, you're out there, you're living your life,
Speaker 6: and these are the things you're doing, you're interested in.
Speaker 6: Social media has turned into this really weird space where
Speaker 6: it's a career for a lot of people, and a
Speaker 6: lot of people are like, oh, you should post a
Speaker 6: lot to like grow a career.
Speaker 1: You don't. If you're not interested in doing that, don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 6: But I think like posting as a casual social media
Speaker 6: user is important to make new friends. Posting the activities
Speaker 6: you do in your free time, whether it's pottery, rock climbing, hiking,
Speaker 6: and you will be surprised by the amount of people
Speaker 6: who swep up and be like, hey, oh my god,
Speaker 6: I would love to join you rock climbing. Like when
Speaker 6: I post the activities I do, I have so many
Speaker 6: of my friends hit me up being like I've always
Speaker 6: wanted to start doing that, Like can we do that together?
Speaker 6: But if I never posted the activities I was doing,
Speaker 6: these people wouldn't know that I'm doing them.
Speaker 1: Is the sad thing I gotta say. I stand it's true. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's so true.
Speaker 3: I've used a similar tactic.
Speaker 4: If I'm going overseas solo dolo or with one friend
Speaker 4: and we know you want to go out or go
Speaker 4: to cool things only locals would know. I'll literally go
Speaker 4: online and find fellow Blue Tickers and be like, hey, hey,
Speaker 4: head sign, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: Work's a tree.
Speaker 4: You gotta be down to be a good time, though,
Speaker 4: because you can't like proposition someone with friendship and then
Speaker 4: not shop with like ten out of ten energy.
Speaker 1: One first for knowledge and experience and perhaps pay for
Speaker 1: their dinner. Yeah, do something like that.
Speaker 4: It's in exchange, a transaction, but a really one. She's
Speaker 4: so right in saying, that's Victoria Paris by the way
Speaker 4: from TikTok, that people are so used to perceiving social
Speaker 4: media as like a professional landscape. Like if you're posting,
Speaker 4: it's for work, it's for money. No social network, social media.
Speaker 4: Your best friend is in the comments of some beef
Speaker 4: on TikTok right now, go and find them.
Speaker 1: They're waiting for you. Oh so like reply to beefy
Speaker 1: tiktoks and just get in the comments.
Speaker 4: Get like a lot of people just are passive participants,
Speaker 4: you know, like you join the Facebook group to not
Speaker 4: post anything, Like you see the comments, you screenshot them
Speaker 4: to send to your non existent group chat get in there.
Speaker 1: Oh no not? Oh yay, vibes that up, vibes up
Speaker 1: interesting interesting chat FLEXI Okay, thanks. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that, but I will say you got
Speaker 1: heaps of friends. I try hard, and you really do.
Speaker 1: Oh it hasn't always been the case. I've been very
Speaker 1: lonely at certain times and felt like I haven't fit in.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say, if you feel lonely,
Speaker 1: like you don't have a group chat or you don't
Speaker 1: have enough friends, circumstances change. Really popular people can become unpopular.
Speaker 1: Oh and it can go vice versa. It's never too
Speaker 1: late to make friends. That's not that you could fall off.
Speaker 1: Oh they could fall off and then you could swip in.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Flex and Frooms on kit FLEXI tell
Speaker 1: me why I was at a five star dinner oh
Speaker 1: the other night, a Hubert in Sydney. It's one of
Speaker 1: the premier dining establishments in Sydney. C bdber it's you bet,
Speaker 1: it probably is. I don't know though, Like it's one
Speaker 1: of those things with French or like I Betha. You
Speaker 1: feel like an idiot saying I Betha. What would you
Speaker 1: rather sound like a pompous git saying I Betha or
Speaker 1: an uncultured swan? I say I befa, And there's just
Speaker 1: like a little twinkle behind people's eye.
Speaker 3: Did you really go for that bath alone? And you
Speaker 3: would do too?
Speaker 1: Facts. I was at this establishment and I was drinking
Speaker 1: mocktails a bit of a sober moment that night. Tell
Speaker 1: me why my third mocktail, I hint of egg washes
Speaker 1: over my whole frontal area of my face. I'm taking
Speaker 1: so excited for this twenty five dollar mocktail. Go for
Speaker 1: a little sipsip. The stench of egg is not only
Speaker 1: in my nose and my mouth, but in the back palate,
Speaker 1: like festering face. Note it was a base note of
Speaker 1: straight off egg, and I thought to myself, the egg
Speaker 1: is eating too hard. Obviously I put out my story.
Speaker 1: Somebody swoops in sends me a message, my friend Claire,
Speaker 1: and what did she say? I think she's in the
Speaker 1: room and has a microphone.
Speaker 7: No you think, oh that you can risk getting salmonella
Speaker 7: from having raw egg and cocktail.
Speaker 1: That is crazy? So this does what happened to you? No?
Speaker 1: I used to work in a bar. Do you know
Speaker 1: what the worst thing is?
Speaker 4: As someone who's learning how to drink, I've identified my
Speaker 4: favorite cocktails are an Amorta sour and Scary sour. Amereta
Speaker 4: sour has a lot of egg white. But I went
Speaker 4: to this bar once and it's at Aqua Farber, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know what that is? So
Speaker 4: I googled it and it's chickpeas. That the liquid of
Speaker 4: the chickpea that's whisked to give the same flavor profile
Speaker 4: and depth as the egg white thing.
Speaker 1: So let's do that.
Speaker 3: So try to poison me.
Speaker 1: So just one more question to Claire, the previous bartender.
Speaker 1: Had you ever given someone please not.
Speaker 7: That I'm aware of, No, but we definitely gave them
Speaker 7: raw eggs.
Speaker 4: So if you were to do the math on how
Speaker 4: many people you could have potentially poisoned, I just don't
Speaker 4: number out there.
Speaker 1: Plenty twelve, No, but I don't know that.
Speaker 7: I don't know the stats of how many how often salmonella?
Speaker 3: I reckon it's higher than egg Oh yeah, but if
Speaker 3: I was working.
Speaker 7: The bar for about eighteen months, yeah, they're dead, like yeah,
Speaker 7: six nights a week, making a lot of cocktails.
Speaker 1: Why are they?
Speaker 3: Why is the egg in there?
Speaker 7: I think it's just for the froth, So I actually
Speaker 7: think it's it's unnecessary. I think you could just shake
Speaker 7: a bit harder, aqual farber and get the same results.
Speaker 1: Shake me harder. That's it. Well, I'm abolishing egg white
Speaker 1: in drinks. However, someone did give me a tip. They
Speaker 1: usually put thirty mil egg in there asked for fifteen
Speaker 1: and it should eliminate the taste. This is flex and
Speaker 1: froomes FLEXI We are coming off the back of Marty
Speaker 1: Grant and Pride. It was earlier this month also my
Speaker 1: birthday month, and so it's a very exciting time for
Speaker 1: the LGBTQI community as well as my community myself. We
Speaker 1: got the a lgbtqli l oh part of me. Yep,
Speaker 1: the LA community is asexual. And I saw an article
Speaker 1: during this period that said that around the Mardi Gras
Speaker 1: area so Oxford Street in Surry Hills where the parade is,
Speaker 1: they were going to put in little tiny cameras that
Speaker 1: track our devices as well as the crowd sentiment. And
Speaker 1: I thought, hmm, this is a very interesting technology. What
Speaker 1: did I do? I went to put it straight onto
Speaker 1: my Instagram story to show the people that you read
Speaker 1: that you skim, of course, but I read a headline
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my god, what an amazing technology.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, this is like gonna fix crowd crushes.
Speaker 1: Because you know, we've talked about potokon state constate the
Speaker 1: observer is the observed, yes, correct, And so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is a fantastic technology because they're going
Speaker 1: to check what's surviving the crowd. Are people going to
Speaker 1: start like piling on? Blah blah blah. Turns out everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that it's a mass surveillance technique and everyone's mad
Speaker 1: about it. So of course I deleted it off the story.
Speaker 1: Did you say it on my story? I didn't. Good.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: I guess now everyone who listens to know that it
Speaker 4: was that I do endorse me posts potentially damaging news
Speaker 4: on her story, but nobody sees it.
Speaker 1: Did it happen, it not happen precisely. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this technology?
Speaker 4: I think that and it's quite unfortunate, but I don't
Speaker 4: feel like broadly the big dogs care about us. So
Speaker 4: I imagine most things implemented have a sinister undertone.
Speaker 1: Right, So, while it can be used for.
Speaker 4: An objectively good purpose, like to measure crowd control and
Speaker 4: overall safety, who's making these devices? As we know, like
Speaker 4: with AI for exams, you got a bunch of white people,
Speaker 4: or white men in particular, deciding what is normal, what
Speaker 4: is unsafe, what is safe. They're not seeing it from
Speaker 4: another lived perspective, and therefore everything becomes really specific and
Speaker 4: targeted or an oversimplified narrative. You know, I don't know
Speaker 4: about you, but like, if I'm really excited with my friends,
Speaker 4: we'll start yelling and play fighting and like being rambunctious
Speaker 4: little tweenies that might not be clocked as safe behavior.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm now a big dog, chat it up
Speaker 4: when I really am a baby, I might be clocked
Speaker 4: in a little camera as a dangerous person who knows
Speaker 4: and then how you meant to fight AI. You know,
Speaker 4: it's meant to be perceived as like this really sophisticated
Speaker 4: technology that knows better than we know. But who made
Speaker 4: that technology?
Speaker 1: Humans? A regular old Joe and Jane facts. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: I'm not the belief that I think my If I
Speaker 1: was to be concerned about it, I'd be concerned for
Speaker 1: my personal safety. But then I remember they don't really
Speaker 1: give a damn about the individual. Yeah, they're grouping us,
Speaker 1: and do I care? Life's too short. I'm more concerned
Speaker 1: about woolwords looking at me while I'm scanning the Nats's onions. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh you do that. No, I've never actually done that,
Speaker 1: but they've got their little cameras. Now, I can see
Speaker 1: myself while I'm putting things through. I hate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, online shop, but then that, yeah you can't really,
Speaker 4: but then they have my details. I don't believe in privacy,
Speaker 4: though I like to enforce the illusion of privacy for
Speaker 4: my own peace of mind.
Speaker 1: Facts and I will say, if you haven't done your
Speaker 1: ancestry DNA tests, huh, maybe lay off doing that, Leave
Speaker 1: the DNA out of a fam, keep your DNA to
Speaker 1: your damn self.
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