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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, another terrible weekend on our roads. It was just

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Speaker 2: After what was a terrible week last week.

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Speaker 1: Then late on Friday, we learned that three people were

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Speaker 1: killed in a crash along the Stuart Highway in Hayes Creek.

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Speaker 1: The police say that they received reports of a two

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Speaker 1: vehicle collision about sixty kilometers north of Pine Creek. As

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Speaker 1: I understand it, maybe I've got that wrong. Three occupants

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Speaker 1: were pronounced dead at the scene. Now, then at about

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Speaker 1: five o'clock, police received reports of a collision involving two

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Speaker 1: vehicles and a sorry, two vehicles I believe, and a

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Speaker 1: a horrendous weekend on our roads when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the loss of life. Now joining me in the studio

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Speaker 1: is the police. Minister Brent Potter, Good morning to your minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Caddy.

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Speaker 2: Now, Minister, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't really know what the answer is to this carnage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're seeing a terrible amount of loss of life.

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Speaker 1: I believe the road tolls sitting at thirty nine, I

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Speaker 1: could have that wrong. That's about that compared to seven

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Speaker 1: at the same time last year. I mean, what more

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Speaker 1: this loss of life?

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Speaker 3: Oh, listen, it's tragic. Into the families, my heart felt

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Speaker 3: sympathies go out. I think in one of those instances,

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Speaker 3: most of them were the two parties involved were into

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Speaker 3: state travelers. We've got the fatal five we talk about

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Speaker 3: A police have been really good at trying to get

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Speaker 3: the education awareness program out there. Well, they're now transitioning

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Speaker 3: to enforcement in de Terrence because people just are not

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Speaker 1: So more police on the roads, more people try I mean,

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Speaker 1: more police that are trying to catch people if they're

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Speaker 3: Police have started road operation at the moment across the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory. And you know, potentially once upon a time,

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Speaker 3: you may have, as I have before, you know, had

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Speaker 3: the warning from the highway police officer. You're now not

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Speaker 3: and enforcement because the message isn't getting out there. And

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Speaker 3: like I said, the last incident wasn't Territorians for that

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Speaker 3: we just need to get to a point where people

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be sinking, isn't I right?

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Speaker 1: Like we seem to be in a situation we're not

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Speaker 1: only seeing like terrible incidents on the highway obviously, like

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Speaker 1: pedestrians are being struck by cars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and our cohol is a primary cause in

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Speaker 3: those instances. People not using the lights that we put

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Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately drivers going about their business at collecting

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Speaker 1: All right, brand I want to move along because there

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Speaker 2: Just moving to Catherine.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the show was there on the weekend and police

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Speaker 1: the show there, how did it go? Were there any issues?

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Speaker 3: It's not going to message from the Commissioner yesterday saying

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Speaker 3: there was no significant issues to reporting Catherine. We had

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Speaker 1: And so now I guess the efforts will turn to

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Speaker 1: sort of noticed that there does seem to be more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean we've done a lot of measures

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Speaker 3: People come into town for the show with no plan

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Speaker 3: changing people's behaviors. It's just constant pressure. And I think

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Speaker 3: those officers will come from Catherine. They will do it.

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Speaker 3: I believe they do another twenty four hours or so

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Speaker 3: It might only be a few more hours, but then

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Speaker 1: All right, So back here the resources will be amped up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we expecting an influx of people? Oh?

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Speaker 3: We do with every show, you know. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I want to talk home invasions. Unfortunately, there's been some

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Speaker 1: absolute shockers. Last week there was a terrible incident in

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Speaker 2: Do you know if those youths are still at large?

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Speaker 3: Is this the one in Catherine? Sorry, I'm catching up

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Speaker 3: with the commissioner today. I haven't had update on that brief.

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Speaker 3: I know that they prioritize that because the severity of

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Speaker 1: It was a similar situation than in Tenant Creek last week.

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Speaker 1: Involving up to five youths with an elderly man the victim.

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Speaker 1: We also have seen over the weekend in Alice Springs. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I believe it's three home invasions over the weekend. So

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Speaker 1: several homes in Alice invaded. The Southern Watch Commander Mark

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Speaker 1: Now three armed offenders bearing edged weapons broke into a

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Speaker 2: What do you think when you hear these incidents?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking Catherine Tennant Creek and also Alice

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Speaker 3: That's disgusting, you know. I can only imagine what it

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Speaker 3: I want to thank the cops for their fast response.

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Speaker 3: I know that there was an offender from an incident,

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Speaker 3: So you know, thank you for their work. But I

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Speaker 1: Look, I agree, it's disgusting and it's like it's absolutely

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Speaker 1: and I know how I would feel if somebody got

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Then when you're talking about people that are in their seventies,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's not only disgusting, but it's so utterly

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Speaker 1: I just like, for me reading through this and seeing

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Speaker 1: it feels like there's more people getting into homes with

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Speaker 2: That could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that, but when you look

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Speaker 1: at that, when you look at these edged weapon home invasions,

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Speaker 1: what is being done to stop that?

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Speaker 2: Because I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, they go through the courts and you want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're more attuned to these instance as

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Speaker 1: It's that I think it's there's literally people being you know,

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Speaker 3: Sort of asked me the point where you said, is

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Speaker 3: it happening more or not? You know, I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: it is more accessible the information cameras, CCTV, we're more

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Speaker 2: Think that there's more people armed with knives.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we've released a knife strategy. I think

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Speaker 3: there are more people carrying weapons because they believe they're

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Speaker 3: does happen majority with our youth and we need to

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Speaker 3: change it. And we've seen that in many countries and

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Speaker 3: that's all we've informated the strategy in the wanding powers.

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Speaker 3: I think in terms of invasion though, whether you're a

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Speaker 3: or if it is you and the family, all of

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Speaker 3: it's discussing. I don't want anyone to have to think

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Speaker 3: that's why we put more money into police. But to

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Speaker 3: be really clear on how we get an outcome here,

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Speaker 3: policing is one part of it. We have to change

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's having a laugh, Katie, because like

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Speaker 3: I said to you, there's a group of people that

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Speaker 3: for people that carry weapons. So we've changed all of that.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's frightening for lawabiding citizens across the TIERA. I

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Speaker 3: What happened on Mitchell Street was a group of young

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Speaker 3: We've caught the guy. He'll go before the courts and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what he should be getting some time.

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Speaker 3: He should be getting a really hard sender to send

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Speaker 3: the message to his mates. I mean, can't I personally

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Speaker 1: And what then of the you know, the youths that

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Speaker 3: That is disgusting and like that isn't There'll be people

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Speaker 3: poor them. Well, there's a difference between breaking in and

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Speaker 3: Now there's an aggravation that comes with that. They will

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Speaker 3: find themselves doing time in Dondale. There's no like if

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Speaker 3: that that will justify that, But I suspect that those

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not okay to break into someone's house

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Speaker 3: Well, no it's not. But I guess like there'll be

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Speaker 3: people that always try and minimize that type of offending.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is what they've done there is disgusting,

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Speaker 1: With I mean, do you get frustrated when you do

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Speaker 3: Lise, Absolutely, I get frustrated as I get frustrated with

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Speaker 3: Police resources is one part.

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Speaker 1: I also think like people have an expectation that they

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Speaker 3: Absolutely every time I've come and I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Now, what about in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, you've got the closure of the People's

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's Ala Springs residents that are missing

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like, are you surprised that there'd be

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean I can't agree with you more, Katie,

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Speaker 1: What assurances can you give other businesses that they will

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Speaker 3: Safely in Alice, Well, I can only the only assurance

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Speaker 1: What do you think then, Look, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've got a situation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm saying this outside of what Mariana said.

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Speaker 3: She wants to see that accountability. We want to see

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Speaker 1: That would have been the perfect opportunity then to go hey,

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Speaker 3: Course, But I mean the other side it is when

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Speaker 1: you're aware of the mum and kids who were apparently

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Speaker 1: held at knife point in Alice, pleading for her kids safety.

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Speaker 1: A fourteen year old protecting his three year old sibling.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's on the Action Frales page. I've not seen

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Speaker 1: it myself.

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Speaker 3: I've actually received the brief and police and I believe

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Speaker 3: it's linked to the series the same offenders. They believe

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Speaker 3: that we're in Alice Springs at the time that you've

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Speaker 3: reported or reported on, And like I said, it's a

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Speaker 3: number one priority of police in the moment in Alice

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Speaker 3: Springs is to identify and apprehend those individuals.

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Speaker 1: So what exactly happened so the moment kids were at

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Speaker 1: home to that point, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I'm basically what it said, there an unlawful aggravated

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Speaker 3: entry with a weapon where the family has been at home.

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Speaker 3: And this is the point when you said about the

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Speaker 3: seventy five year old, because I knew there was other

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Speaker 3: youth that have been involved and other families that have

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Speaker 3: had that incident over the weekend. So I don't want

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Speaker 3: anyone Oh and this is what I mean. I don't

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Speaker 3: want anyone to have to think about how they protect

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Speaker 3: themselves or their family in their house because I don't

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Speaker 3: want anyone to have to get to.

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Speaker 1: That position, or an older sibling having to look after

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Speaker 1: a little one like that makes you. That makes me

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Speaker 1: feel really upset thinking that that little famili's had to

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Speaker 1: go through that.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely woeful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't have to see it. It's a simple

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Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: But can you see where people kind of gone like

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Speaker 1: scratching their heads thinking, how can we kind of keep

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Speaker 1: on this path?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I can understand that, but the laws are

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Speaker 3: already there, like we've got to catch them and when

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Speaker 3: we've got to put them before the judiciary, and then

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Speaker 3: the judiciary has got to hold them accountable in line

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Speaker 3: with community expectation and the law that's there. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I wish I could give people the click of the

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Speaker 3: finger and fix it tomorrow. We can't until we really

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Speaker 3: address what is driving people to come into town and

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Speaker 3: engage in criminal behavior, which is I don't know, people

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Speaker 3: don't like hearing it is the poverty, like people don't

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Speaker 3: have it. They see what they want and they're going

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Speaker 3: out and engaging in crime. Until that is addressed, the

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Speaker 3: best thing that we can have is continue to fund police,

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Speaker 3: continue to fund the change programs, and continue to put

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Speaker 3: people before the judiciary that commit these offenses. At the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, the individual needs to be accountable

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Speaker 3: for the action that they take.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel as though the judicial system

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Speaker 1: is holding up to their piece of the.

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Speaker 3: Puzzle here, And I've been pretty vocal in this before

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Speaker 3: Coatie seeing the prison numbers at the moment, Yes, I

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Speaker 3: do like there are people like and I can tell

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Speaker 3: listeners when I when I get a particular brief to

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Speaker 3: come through, It's not uncommon for me to write back

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Speaker 3: the department and say, I want to know the outcome

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Speaker 3: on this individual's bail hearing. I want to know when

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Speaker 3: they get sentenced. And they do that and they tell

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Speaker 3: me that, and they are getting sentence appropriate with the

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Speaker 3: crimes that they're committing, and they're serving prison time. And

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Speaker 3: it's the reason why we've got so many people in

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Speaker 3: our prisons, we've got people in our police watchhouses because

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Speaker 3: the prisons are full. You know, we're sending a very

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Speaker 3: clear message. Now it needs to come down to how

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Speaker 3: do we rehabilitate them? So in two, three, four years time,

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Speaker 3: we're not talking about the same offenders coming back before

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Speaker 3: the system.

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Speaker 1: Hey, really couple of questions because well we don't unfortunately

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Speaker 1: kicking now what I mean just in terms of I

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Speaker 1: understand that there's an announcement being made today, you're off

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Speaker 1: to make an announcement.

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Speaker 2: What's that one?

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Speaker 3: On police? If we talk about traffic and road totalities?

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Speaker 3: So the traffic police will be getting you wrx's. So

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've gone back to the days of

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Speaker 3: the police Highway Patrol WX. But they're getting a bunch

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Speaker 3: of those and we'll be really talking about them today.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully get tests right.

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Speaker 2: All right, So how's that going to help? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: In terms of that issue that we're seeing on our roads.

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Speaker 3: It'll give police a modern piece of capability. These are

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Speaker 3: fitted well, basically fitted out by them, meets the needs

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Speaker 3: that they have for our highway police officers. You'll see

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Speaker 3: them as Alice, you'll see them in Darwin, you'll see

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Speaker 3: them in Catherine Tennant Creek, and they'll get rolled out

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Speaker 3: today and yeah, listen, I think we need to do

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Speaker 3: whatever we can to reiterate to people that the fatal

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Speaker 3: five is there and you need to comply with the

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Speaker 3: road rules.

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, Minister for Police, good to speak with you

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Speaker 1: this morning, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,