1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kay and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: That is so fetch Thank. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: You, Welcome back to Outspoken. Happy Monday everyone. We had 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: such a fun weekend. We caught up with some of 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Dale's friends and it's pretty funny because one of the 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: guys is literally a chocolate connoisseur. Yeah, I'd say he's Adelaide's, 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: if not Australia's biggest chocolate connoisseur. He knows everything about 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: it and we just had a debate last night about 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: the dos and don'ts of storing chocolate. He is the 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: right person to ask because he consumes at least one 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: block of chocolate a day now. He used to consume 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: more because he would have it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I love that. I love when he was talking about it, though, 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: because he talk about the chocolate in lines, it kind 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: of sounds like he was talking about drugs. But He's like, 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: they'll have two lines in the morning. Well, I used 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: to have two lines in the morning. I absolutely love 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: his passion for chocolate. And it was really funny because 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Kate and I were asking him, so, do you put 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: it in the fridge or leave it out? And he's 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: obviously thought about yes a lot. So he has certain 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: rules for summer and winter, which I can completely understand why. 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: So firstly, Sophie, what do you do? Do you put 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: it in the fridge or do you leave it out? 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: I leave it out, But after speaking to him, I'm thinking, 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: I have to think seasonably when I think about chocolate. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: So in summer time he puts it in the fridge. Obviously, 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: in wintertime he also puts it in the fridge, but 33 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: forty five minutes before he's about to eat the chocolate, 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: he will take it out and then eat it line 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: by line. And I think that's very clever because there's 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: nothing worse than melted chocolate. That sounds like so planned. 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? That you have to 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: really think ahead if you do want chocolate that night 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: to take it out forty five minutes before. Well, his 40 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: other rule as well is that he only buys chocolate 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and its half priced because he works out by the 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: dollar how much every gram of chocolate should be. So 43 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: it's some fascinating stuff. I've got to ask. Because we 44 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: did a chocolate hierarchy ages ago, now outspoken social media 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: accounts and people were so passionate about which was the 46 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: godly god tear level. We got in a lot of 47 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: trouble because we didn't include the Black Forest chocolate and 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: I've actually never had it before. Maybe we're going to 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: have to rectify it this week. I've been saying that 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I want to do a reel on Instagram where we 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: rank chocolate, but we have to taste tested as well, 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: so maybe we'll see how the Black Forest ranks. I 53 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: want to know, though, this chocolate connoisseur, what is his 54 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: favorite chocolate. This surprised me, so I thought maybe he'd 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: leaned towards Marble or one of the you know, very 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: popular chocolates like that. His ultimate favorite chocolate is the 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Kitcat chunky. Now I feel like it's a bit random, 58 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: I do, but I've never had a bad chunky kick Cat, 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: have you. I haven't consumed that many in my lifetime. 60 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I stick to the norse more kick Cat but maybe 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to add one of those as well 62 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: to the list. Okay, well, what's your favorite chocolate, then 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: what's your god te Okay, I used to consume I 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: probably a couple of years ago, I would have a 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: bar of chocolate a day, which was really terrible. We 66 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: used to have a vending machine in the office and 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: that was my guilty pleasure around three o'clock. But so 68 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: that used to always be a marvelous, popping candy chocolate. 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: See that's too sweet for me. It was very, very sweet. 70 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: Now I have switched to Marble because it's just come 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: out and I bloody love it. But I'd limit myself now. 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't allow myself to have it very often. I 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: got a reminder on my snapchat that three years ago 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: I purchased a c C's Cabrey chocolate block and regarded 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: how good they were. But I think that's a really 76 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: divisive chocolate because you either love it or you hate it. 77 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: I think I have to say that is probably in 78 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: my god tea level. Well, Brandon's favorite chocolate is the 79 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Milky Bar, Milky Bar Milky Ber, and he's actually got 80 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: me onto white chocolate. I never used to like it before. 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Now another little guilty pleasure is those red lollies, like 82 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: the little raspberry lollies with the white chocolate around them. 83 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: They early. I'd love to know what everyone else thinks. 84 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: So what is your favorite chocolate and do you keep 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: it in the fridge or in the pantry. I'm dying 86 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to know. Hi, guys, my name is Sammy Robinson and 87 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: welcome back to Bondai Sam's YouTube channel. I actually do 88 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: a little bit of YouTube myself. I want on Instagram 89 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: a bit and TikTok in a Q and a On 90 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: her Instagram feed, Sammy Robinson has revealed more details about 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: her breakup with long term boyfriend Nick Wheatley. She has 92 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: also denied having a new boyfriend. This is what she 93 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: said makes me laugh. No, I do not have any boyfriend. 94 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone's asking you this. I am 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: single and I'm going to stay single for a while. 96 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: I need to be single for a little bit. It's 97 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: interesting She's come out and addressed the rumors on her 98 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: Instagram story On Friday, Because the denial comes up, followers 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: spotted Sammy and rumored boyfriend Jordan Simmy sharing Instagram stories 100 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: from the same location at the same time, Well, I 101 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: just think maybe Sammy is just seeing this guy and 102 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: she's not actually official with him. Yeah, but she did 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: say she wanted to remain single, and there was even 104 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: a question about whether she should go on the Bachelorette, 105 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: and she put a little poll up asking what people 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: thought about that. I mean, I could definitely see that 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: I would watch the Bachelorette with Sammy on it. It 108 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: would be an absolute win for Channel ten to have 109 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson as a Bachelorette. So do you guys think 110 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: that maybe Jordan could possibly be a friend? No, I 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: think they're definitely dating. I think that she's just playing 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: it down. It's probably not serious at the moment, and 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: because it's been not that long since she's split up 114 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: with Nick, she doesn't want to make a big deal 115 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: about it. Do you think it might be because he's 116 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: quite controversial, He is open and honest about his relationships 117 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: and sex life on his podcast, and he has dated 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: a string of different influences and high profile women. Do 119 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: you think she doesn't want to say that they're dating. Well, 120 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: I have heard that Sammy's talent management agency, Max Connectors, 121 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: do try and protect her reputation and image a lot, 122 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: so this could be a direction coming from them to 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: maybe distance herself from him. On the other hand, I 124 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: feel like it's more likely that, as you guys were saying, 125 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: perhaps this is just a new relationship and they're getting 126 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: to know each other, which would be really difficult during lockdown, 127 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: So perhaps they are just seeing each other and seeing 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: where it goes at the moment before they put a 129 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: label on it. It might also be because of the 130 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: timing around only just announcing her split from Nick. We've 131 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 1: also got to remember that Jordan Simmy has two children, 132 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: so that obviously adds a different layer to the relationship 133 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: and coming out and saying that you're an official couple. 134 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: Another influencer who has opened up about her relationship status 135 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: is Lily Brown. She revealed in a Q and A 136 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: that she is happily single after parting ways with her 137 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend a few months ago. She explained that she 138 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: simply fell out of love with him, but they are 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: still really good friends and talk often. She also wanted 140 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: to say that her ex boyfriend is super private, so 141 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: she wants to respect his privacy and not answer any 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: more questions about it. I find out ironic that Lily 143 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: and Sammy have both chosen Instagram Q and as to 144 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: reveal this juicy gossip. Well, there has been rumors going 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: around for a while that Lily Brown and her boyfriend 146 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: have separated. Yeah. Well, do you think that their Q 147 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: and a's were just inundated with the question of have 148 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: you broken up? That they had to answer it? Yeah. 149 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: Lily touched on that this was the most asked question 150 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: during the Q and A, and I feel like there 151 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: has been so much interest around her boyfriend, in particular 152 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: because his identity has remained a secret the whole time 153 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: they have dated. His face has never appeared in photos, 154 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: he hasn't been in any vlogs, and we really don't 155 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: know too much about him. Do you think that put 156 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: pressure on their relationship because I would assume if you're 157 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: an influencer and you're used to sharing every aspect of 158 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: your life, it would be a big thing that your 159 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: partner doesn't want to be involved in it. I definitely 160 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: think it could have put a little bit of a 161 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: strain on their relationship because she did get another question 162 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: that asks what do you look for in a man, 163 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: and one of the qualities she said was someone who 164 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: compliments her life but also has their own stuff going on, 165 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: and I feel like if you are an influencer, you 166 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: do need someone to be part of the fun with you. 167 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: I just feel like it would be really difficult to 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: be purposely excluding someone the whole time. You know, you 169 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: might just want to put up a photo of your 170 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: boyfriend and you out to dinner. Yeah, And to be honest, 171 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: it is really good content for them and content that 172 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: people want to watch. It is funny though, because Lily 173 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: originally said that she loved the fact that her boyfriend 174 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: was so private and didn't want to be involved. Well, 175 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's because of her ex boyfriend, Jerome, 176 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: because maybe there are question marks over whether he was 177 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: just with Lily to gain a bit more of a following. 178 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that was the case, but you would 179 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: be suspicious of men who came into your life, and 180 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: you probably would find it quite attractive that someone wasn't 181 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: interested in the Instagram life. I also think that sometimes 182 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: people get out of a relationship with one person and 183 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: say I want the complete opposite of that person. Then 184 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: when they date them, they realize, hey, I actually want 185 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: someone in the middle. So maybe that's what's happened here. 186 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: But I do think that Lily has responded really well 187 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: to the breakup. She's been very respectful of his privacy 188 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: still and has seemed to really tackle it in a 189 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: mature way. I'm actually really enjoying Brown's content at the 190 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: moment because, as he said, I feel like she's really 191 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: matured and she seems to be a very different person 192 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: than she was a few years ago. I'm becoming a vegetarian. 193 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Shut up. 194 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't want it in my life anymore. 195 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Sausages are what ourselves and eyeballs, and they they could 196 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: have rubbish anyway. Sophie Kasia has revealed her latest secret 197 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: project is a memoir. The Mummy blogger has written a 198 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: book called Then There Was Her, which has been touted 199 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: as revealing new details of her marriage breakdown. Okay, can 200 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: you tell us about the announcement on Instagram? Yeah, So 201 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Sophie chose to reveal the secret project via on Instagram 202 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: video that went for almost three minutes. Now. I sat 203 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: through the video waiting to see what this special project was, 204 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: and I've got to say I cringed so much watching 205 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: the video because it tried to be very artsy and 206 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: it was this black and white sort of story about 207 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Sophie navigating motherhood by herself. Now, obviously this is a 208 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: really touching story and a really interesting story as well. However, 209 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the videography was quite average. Yeah, it 210 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: let it down a little bit because I felt like, 211 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: as a videographer, I could see there were parts that 212 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: were meant to be slow mode. I'd love to know 213 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: who actually shot it. I think it was also quite 214 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: evident that she was trying to build up this element 215 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: of emotion throughout it by showing her getting her kids 216 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: ready for school together, the photographs in the frames, you know, 217 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: then her taking a bit of time to herself by 218 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: getting ready. However, I feel like, from a completely creative perspective, 219 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: it would have been better to have some storytelling involved 220 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: in the video, perhaps some moments that she was speaking 221 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: about in her life. Do you mean a bit of voiceover, Yeah, 222 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: a bit of voiceover, Maybe some headlines about her that 223 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: were controversial that she's you know, I don't know it 224 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: just to me. The video went for so long. I 225 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: don't know who could have made it through the whole 226 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: video to wait for the bit at the end of 227 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: her revealing that she had a book. Yeah, I also 228 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: agree in terms of the lack storytelling and using the 229 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: song from kid LAROI Without You and including the lyrics 230 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: you Can't make a wife out of a hoe. It 231 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: just was really awkward. It was a little bit awkward. 232 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you, Sophie from a pr perspective, 233 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: or even just from a Newsworthy perspective. You know, as journalists, 234 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: you're told you write a lead, and you write the 235 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: most important thing in the lead, because that's what people 236 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: are going to hear first. I think she needed to 237 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: get to the point that this was what she was 238 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: revealing her book. Even if she read out some excerpts 239 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: from the book that could have been really interesting. Obviously 240 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: she's teasing here that she's sharing some never before shared 241 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: details of her marriage breakdown. Maybe she could have opened 242 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: up a little bit about that and how she feels 243 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: putting that information out there to the world, or even 244 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: reading a passage about a difficult time during her marriage, well, 245 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: talking about an excerpt from the book. The book is 246 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: yet to be released, however, it is available for pre order. However, 247 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: the blurb has been released and a lot of people 248 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: are drawing comparisons between Sophie's book and the book Glennon 249 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Doyle wrote called Untamed. So for those who aren't familiar 250 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: with Glennon Doyle, she is an American author and activist 251 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: who was married to form model Craig Melton and they 252 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: had three children together. However, in twenty sixteen, everything changed 253 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: for Glennon when she met soccer player Abby one Bok 254 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: on a book tour. The pair fell in love, and 255 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: she got married to Abby in twenty seventeen. So obviously 256 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: there's some big similarities between Abby and Sophie's story. So 257 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: in Sophie's blurb, she says, I raced into the hotel, 258 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: took the lift to the wrong floor, fumbled my bag, 259 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and finally landed at the entrance. I went around the 260 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: circle of unfamiliar faces, smiling, shaking hands, introducing myself. Then 261 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: there was her. As our hands touched, time froze. My 262 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: whole world changed forever Now, Sophie, can you please share 263 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: with me the blurb from Glennan Doyle's bookcase, This is 264 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: where people are drawing comparisons, so Glennon's blurb reads, for 265 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: many years, Glennan Doyle denied her own discontent. Then, while 266 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: speaking at a conference, she looked at a woman across 267 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: the room and fell instantly in love. Three words flooded 268 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: her mind. There she is. By reading both of those blurbs, 269 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: it's quite clear that Sophie and Glenn and have had 270 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: really similar experiences. I suppose for me, the thing that 271 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: jumped out was the use of the word then there 272 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: was her and then there she is. That for me 273 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: sounded so similar. It's not to say that there is 274 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: any copying going on, because obviously, as I said before, 275 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: they share very similar stories. But it will be really 276 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: interesting to read Sophie's book and see how their stories 277 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: evolve and if they're quite similar in terms of how 278 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: their families blended together and the marriage breakdown. I'm really 279 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: keen to read this book. 280 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: Why is it that I'm being blame, that I'm being same? 281 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: Actually said the words Spock Spock? 282 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Can I speak? 283 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, Cannu Spock. Former Real Housewives of Melbourne 284 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: star Lydia Scavello has come under fire for a bizarre 285 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: photoshop fail. Soon the process of photoshopping herself in a 286 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen picture of her and co star Cheeker, she 287 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: has absolutely done the dirty on her She has made 288 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: her look huge and herself look small. Fans have quickly 289 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: picked up on this photoshop fail and have commented underneath 290 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: that this obviously was photoshopped, and Lydia has come out 291 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: and denied it and saying that she would never do 292 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: it because she's been fat shamed before. Now, no one 293 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: called Cheek a fat They just said that the photoshop 294 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: was terrible. Now it's gone to the point where Cheeker's 295 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: daughter Chessie, has gone on to her Instagram account and 296 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: she has completely called out Lydia and I could not 297 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: agree anymore with her, she said. A grown woman posted 298 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: this yesterday, seven years later, and the worst editing job 299 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Honestly laughed when I was shown because 300 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: It's truly the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. But 301 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: I actually woke up incredibly mad that in twenty twenty one, 302 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: a woman went out of her way to bring another 303 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: woman down. Yes, it's my mother, but taking a step 304 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: back from this, it is so high school and actively malicious. 305 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm truly shocked. What fifty something woman sits at home 306 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: morphing herself to look thin and the woman next to 307 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: her large. I hope Lydia thought no one looked at 308 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: this and thought, Wow, she looks amazing. Everyone looked at 309 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: it and said, how tragic and high school you are. 310 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: I worry for your mindset. It poses serious questions around 311 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: your ego. Are you that desperately in need of attention 312 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: that you and your ego stroked that you're willing to 313 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: do that to another person's expense. Girl, I'm embarrassed for you. 314 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: I absolutely love this response from Cheeker's daughter. I think 315 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: she summed it up so well. And what I also 316 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: love is the fact that Cheeka has remained so dignified 317 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: in this whole ordeal. She put up a post explaining 318 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: that she wasn't going to comment on the photo, but 319 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: she'd received so many messages that she felt like she 320 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: had to say something, so she reshared her daughter's post 321 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: and said that Chessie summed it up perfectly and she 322 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: doesn't understand the point of pulling another woman down. She 323 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: also said, I'm all about positivity, empowerment and raising a 324 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: woman up. I think that's all I need to say. 325 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone who has made me feel so 326 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: protected and loved. Now I agree one hundred percent with 327 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Cheeker and the way she's handled it, but just playing 328 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. Do you think that Lydia put the photo 329 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: up and just looked at herself and thought, oh, I 330 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: look great. You know when someone shows you a group 331 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: photo and you only look at yourself and go yeah, yeah, 332 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: that's great, and then you find out every one's blinking. 333 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: But she was the one that's edited it, so surely 334 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: she would have seen that she making herself slimmer, she 335 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: is moving Cheek's body to make it bigger like that. 336 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: It is the first thing you look at when you 337 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: see the photo. And a photoshop job as well. Oh, 338 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: it was a terrible photoshop job. I could just imagine 339 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Mum using face chune and then not realizing what she's 340 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: done wrong. Well, she's got eyes, surely she can see 341 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: what she's done to the photo. It is horrific and 342 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's the first thing you spot when you 343 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: see the photo. Well. Lydia responded to the drama by 344 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: re sharing the original photo and writing, high Cheeker, I 345 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: was sent many old photos from previous seasons of Real 346 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Housewives of Melbourne. I thought it was a great photo 347 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: of all of us and it was something we can't 348 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: do now. Hashtag grand final, it was never my intention 349 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: to offend anyone sending love. She then obviously received further 350 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: backlash over it, so she said that her last post 351 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: has been deleted, and she then shared a series of 352 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: more glamorous photos of the two of them together and 353 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: said to all after being fat shamed, I would not 354 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: intentionally do that to anyone. I just found it really 355 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: awkward to share all these like more glamorous photos because 356 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's quite apparent that you did have 357 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: better photos that you could have shared together. How are 358 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: these two not in the latest series of Melbourne Housewives. 359 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: This is the drama that we've been waiting to watch. Well, 360 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I feel like Chessie needs to be included on the 361 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 1: series because she is bringing all the tea and all 362 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: of the drama. She followed it up by sharing a 363 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: screenshot of Lydia reacting to her posts. So in the 364 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: post where she defended her mother, Lydia sent laughing faces, 365 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: So Chessie responded by saying, tragic girl, get it together. 366 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: You can block me again. No need for us to 367 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: have access to one another. I don't welcome your time 368 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: or energy in my life. She then wrote, someone tell 369 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: this woman to get out of my DMS. I don't 370 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: even think my embarrassment for her could extend further than this. 371 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: Do you think Lydia's trying to stay relevant now that 372 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: she's not on Melbourne Housewives? No, I think it was 373 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: just a complete fail on her behalf to be totally honest. 374 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: What what do you mean, Well, I don't think that 375 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: she failed. Well, you're just saying you don't think there's malice. 376 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't think she expected it to blow up like this. 377 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: I think that she thought it was a good photo 378 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: of her, and she shared it and forgot that she'd poorly. 379 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: I actually think there's I think there's a lot of 380 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: in this, particularly because of Chessy's response. It's clear that 381 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: there's beef between the two of them, and it's clear 382 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: that she was you know what, people, I feel like 383 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: girls are quite good at this. I don't mean to stereotype, 384 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: but you know when someone shares something that pisces you 385 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: like to piss someone off, but they think it's really 386 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: subtle when it's really not. I think this is a 387 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: case of that. Well, this was to promote her culinary 388 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: classes that she does. I don't know what the picture 389 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: had to do with them, but I think that it's 390 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: quite evident that she's possibly jealous of Cheek's success in 391 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: the business world. I do not say that I'm vulgar. 392 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: Everything that comes out of your mouth is offensive. 393 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: You are like the same insignificant our square. There's been 394 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about anti vaxers and anti lockdown influencers, 395 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: but there's been some amazing posts this week by a 396 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: number of well known Aussie influencers getting vaccinated. So Tully 397 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: Smyth was one of those influencers who shared an Instagram 398 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: post following her first dose of VIZA. She said she 399 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: felt like a bad ass, sexy bitch forgetting her first 400 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: dose and told anti VAX's not to bother messaging her 401 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: and unfollowing her if she offends them. I really liked 402 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: following Tully's journey of getting her vaccine. Her and her 403 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: friend almost seemed like they were on a high after 404 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: they got it because they were just so excited that 405 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: they were making a step forward to help the community, 406 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: and I suppose getting back onto that path of normality. Well, 407 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: here in South Australia, you can book in today if 408 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: you're over sixteen to get an astrozeneca shot. Or a 409 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: piser shot, and I'm actually so excited and so I 410 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: when I am kind of nervous that we're not going 411 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: to be able to book it. It reminds me of 412 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: when you're waiting for concert tickets to come out, you 413 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: got your laptop at the ready, And when we do 414 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: get the vaccine, I would like to share it across 415 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: out in Instagram page and maybe do a Q and 416 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: A because I feel like Tully in particular, it's been 417 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: great for her to educate other people and answer questions 418 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: about how she's feeling after getting it. Sammy Robinson's another 419 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: influencer who shared that she got vaccinated last week during 420 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: an Instagram Q and A, and also Madison Woolley revealed 421 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: that she got the astrozenica first dose as well. And 422 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of these two young women for sharing 423 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: their experience on their Instagram because they have such a 424 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: young and impressionable audience. I really wasn't surprised to see 425 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: Madison Woolly getting Astrozenica because both of her parents are 426 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: medical scientists, so she's obviously grown up in an environment 427 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: where she's educated about vaccines and how helpful they are 428 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: to the community. So I'm so impressed that she is showing, 429 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: as you said, that she's gone out and got it done. 430 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: And we've all seen Abby Chatfield of course, talking about 431 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: her experience getting astrozenka Brook Hogan is another influencer who 432 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: shared that she's going to get vaccinated. I think the 433 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: thing that we also have to be mindful of. It 434 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: is very brave for these influencers to be sharing the 435 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: fact that they have I've got vaccinated, because there's a 436 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: lot of backlash that comes when you do start talking 437 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: about getting vaccinated. 438 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to today's blog. 439 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Keep It Cleaner founders Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw 440 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: have opened up about their biggest insecurities during a podcast episode, Sophie, 441 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: can you fill us in? Yeah? I really love this 442 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: episode because I felt like they were so vulnerable about 443 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: their insecurities and it was really refreshing to hear. So. 444 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: Laura explained that she was really inspired to explore the 445 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: topic after she received a number of negative podcast reviews 446 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. God, we've all been there before, definitely, 447 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: So the review in question said, I know she's trying 448 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: to be funny, but as a listener, it can get 449 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: quite annoying how Laura criticizes or makes fun of everything, 450 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: Steph says. Another review said, why does Laura speak like 451 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: a toddler? I always cringe so bad when I've listened 452 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: and end up turning off. I don't know how anyone 453 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: could be mean to Laura Henshaw because she just seems 454 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: like the kindest, sweetest person angel. She's a dead set 455 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: shooting BAMBI Like, that's how I feel about Laura Henshaw, Like, 456 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: how could you ever be in to her? I know? 457 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: And it's not like she talks about anything controversial, because 458 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: we're sort of open to getting negative comments because we 459 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: sort of put our opinions out there, but they talk 460 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: about lovely things. Well, what I could really relate to 461 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: in a sense having her own podcast is the fact 462 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: that Steph said that she's banned Laura and herself from 463 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: looking at the podcast reviews. So Steph said, she's actually 464 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: never looked at the reviews. And this reminds me of us, 465 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: because you guys are banned me. So I think you 466 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: need to take Steph's advice on board because we have 467 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: said so many times to Sophie, look, Amy and I 468 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: are not interested in reading the reviews. We would prefer 469 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: not to. Obviously we're open to constructive criticism, but not 470 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, people telling you you're dumb anyway. So so 471 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: we said to Sape, please don't send them to us. 472 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: What does she do? Every time as a review she 473 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: get hot on them, She'll screenshot them and send the 474 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: negative ones through. She even sends them to mom. I'm like, 475 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: could you stop sending this to mom? It's probably upsetting her. 476 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm in a really bad routine because I'm just getting 477 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: into bed. Then I think, oh, maybe I'll check the reviews. 478 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: And for those who aren't in the podcast world, the 479 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: review section on Apple podcasts, it's a very treacherous response 480 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: is that there is no there's literally no right of reply. 481 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: People can don't have to put their identity so they 482 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: can remain anonymous on there, so people can basically say 483 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: whatever they like and tear you down. I remember hearing 484 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: Stacy Dooley, a journalist in the UK, talk about this 485 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: how she used to get all these trolling comments, and 486 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: she was saying that she also used to read them 487 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: right before she went to bed, and then she's like, 488 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: why am I doing this if this wasn't a This 489 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: is almost like an abusive relationship with the internet. Reading 490 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: these reviews, if I was in a relationship like this, 491 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: I would leave it. So why am I going and 492 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: seeking these things out? Yeah, it's so true. I feel 493 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: like I am gonna have to take a leaf out 494 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: of Steph Clea Smith's book, because she explained that she 495 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: doesn't really get bothered by the reviews because at the 496 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, they're just being themselves on the 497 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: show and people. Not everyone's going to like everything you do, 498 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: so their podcast is aim primarily at young women, so therefore, 499 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: not everyone's gonna love what they're talking about. Not everyone's 500 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: gonna love the guests that they have on the show. 501 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: You're not gonna please everyone. I love how you take 502 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: that advice from Steph, but we have been saying something 503 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: similar to you for ages. I do remember once receiving 504 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: a really nasty review. I think it said we were white, 505 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: privileged trash or something like that, and that all we 506 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: did was sit around with drinking wine thinking we were 507 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: funny and we should start a podcast. And then literally 508 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: four weeks later, the person changed their review and said 509 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: this podcast was their favorite thing to listen to. So 510 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: I feel like you can't really take much feedback on board, 511 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: because with podcasts, people change their minds so quickly. I 512 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: feel like there's also a lot of people who do 513 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: hide behind the whole anonymous thing, and it could really 514 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: be from anyone, you know. That being said, of course, 515 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the reviews we receive are clearly from 516 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: people who just don't like it because it's not for them. Yeah, 517 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: And the thing is that we expect to get negative 518 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: reviews because we talk about a lot of things at 519 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: are controversial. That's right. Well, it wasn't only Laura who 520 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: was vulnerable and opened up about her insecurities. Steph said 521 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: that she currently feels more vulnerable to criticism in a 522 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: new role as a mum. This is what she said. 523 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: Why I'm so anxious about it at the moment. Even 524 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: though there's days where i feel like I've got this, 525 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing really well, I'm really proud of myself, there's 526 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: absolutely days and moments where I'm incredibly anxious or feeling 527 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: guilty or whatever because i might get a comment or 528 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: a DM or soon I've done and because I've never 529 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: done motherhood before. And it's not just me, it's not 530 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: just involving me, it's involving Harvy. You know, it's another individual, 531 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: it's my son. And if if I for a second 532 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: feel like I've done something wrong because something it's scary 533 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: and it's horrible and it's incredibly vulnerable, and I think, yeah, 534 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: for me, I'm currently working through that. 535 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I just think, regardless of whether you have a platform 536 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: or not, I do think that's Steph opening up about 537 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: these feelings. It's something a lot of new mums could 538 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: relate to. You're in a role you've never done before, 539 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: and you've got people around you who were all experts 540 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: in it. Everyone's is an expert at the moment, I feel. 541 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there has been a lot of praise I 542 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: think for the way Steph has gone through motherhood, the 543 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: first ages of motherhood, but I suppose she's not immune 544 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: to negative comments as well. Or she said that she 545 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: gets scared sometimes, but the amount of negative DM she 546 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: receives and it makes her feel at the time like 547 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: she's done something wrong or she's failed. So I just think, 548 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, you look at her life and assume it's perfect, 549 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: but clearly she is not immune to these feelings at all, 550 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: and the feelings of judgment. Well, I think that's all 551 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: we have time for. Thank you so much for joining 552 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: us for today's episode. If you have enjoyed it, we 553 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: would really appreciate it if you could be one of 554 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: those kind people and give us a five star rating 555 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: and also be something positive to screenshot and send to 556 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: our mum. And if you haven't already, make sure that 557 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: you're subscribed on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. 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