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Speaker 1: There have been some serious concerns raised about crime and

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Speaker 1: the Easter long weekend. We've also been told of incidents

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Speaker 1: I've been sent photos of people are well engaging in

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Speaker 1: regards to that incident. But joining me on the line

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Speaker 1: is the member for Karama, Naria Akis. Good morning, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning. Now, Nari, how

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Speaker 1: bad is the situation with crime in Karama at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're all feeling it out there, Katie. It's crime

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Speaker 2: anywhere at any time, impacting on anyone is absolutely not okay,

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Speaker 2: and it gets really tough, especially when it hits so

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Speaker 1: The situation where a little boy was allegedly sexually assaulted

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Speaker 1: in his front yard sent shockwaves through the community. What

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Speaker 1: steps have been taken since that incident to try to

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Speaker 1: ensure people in the electorate feel safe?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that incident, Katie, really did send shockwaves. Nobody wants

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Speaker 2: So the number one priority and I have to just

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Speaker 2: really commend our anti police. They're just doing a really

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Speaker 2: amazing job providing an important response to our community, supporting

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Speaker 2: our local people. A lot of people are sharing their thoughts,

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Speaker 2: they're sharing their experiences with me, They're asking how they

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Speaker 2: there's really just looking at ways to continue to provide

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Speaker 2: sure we report every incident because often unless you live

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to get a clear picture on what

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Speaker 3: What's happened?

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Speaker 1: What's changed in the electric I mean, I know that

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Speaker 1: there's always been issues around various different suburbs of the territory,

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Speaker 1: but it does seem as though in recent months there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Katie, we have been inundated with hundreds upon hundreds

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Speaker 2: of visitors, people who have visited our community, who are

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Speaker 2: We hear some really good information being shared by Larochean

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Speaker 2: Nation through their heal engagement programs, their day and night patrols,

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Speaker 2: our countrymen coming in from remote Aboriginal communities, which is

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Speaker 2: absolutely fine. So as local member, I will welcome as

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Speaker 2: a local resident, I will welcome anybody and everybody to

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Speaker 2: the electorate. I just asked everybody to please be respectful,

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Speaker 2: please be mindful, and if you're not going to add

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Speaker 2: So we've seen a lot of extra visitors, Katie. We've

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Speaker 2: read in the paper today there's been extra money is

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Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, if you're talking, you've said, then

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Speaker 1: hundreds upon hundreds of people visiting you're electorates, So I

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Speaker 2: No, it's definitely not constructive behavior. It's not responsible and

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Speaker 1: Does something additional need to be done though here in

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Speaker 1: A situation here where something additional needs to be done

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Speaker 2: What can we what foundation of our culture and our

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Speaker 3: Well, and I guess you know this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: And here's I suppose the frustration from a lot a

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Speaker 2: I'd say in a few instances I've had a lot

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Speaker 2: That's noble for any community. And I think what's really

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Speaker 2: So the overwhelming majority of people are good people who

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Speaker 2: Bad behavior by anybody is not okay. And sometimes when

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Speaker 2: I grew up in the community, I've been there for

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Speaker 1: Now, when it comes to these reports of chroming, has

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Speaker 2: Yes, it has. And what was really great is a

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Speaker 2: I'm still a little bit impacted from my own witnessing

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Speaker 2: around that, Katie. This is often our young people are

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Speaker 2: self harming. This is self harming in public. That is

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Speaker 3: What did you witness yourself?

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Speaker 2: Oh, so I came out of the When I was

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Speaker 2: office Tanya, that there were two young girls chroming in

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to approach them, startle them or anything

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Speaker 2: and it was absolutely heartbreaking. Everything in me just said,

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Speaker 2: a situation where two young girls were doing you know,

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Speaker 2: I went through the process of you know, making sure

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Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of messages come through this morning.

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Speaker 1: I've got one here and it says, Hi, Katie, when

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Speaker 1: I've got another one here and it's asking, well, essentially

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Speaker 2: So eventfly, those will always continue. So we're having our

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Speaker 1: The situation in Karama at the moment is that there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's my knowledge from local residents talking to me Katie.

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Speaker 1: We are run out of time, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and that's why it was great to have

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Speaker 2: It's a big logistical effort to put it together. And

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Speaker 1: One of our messages that's just come through and said,

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Speaker 2: But if you have any of those engagement messages you

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Speaker 2: Please contact my office in Caromera. I'll be more than

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Speaker 1: All right, Nai r Kit we have run out of time.

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Speaker 1: Can you just remind everybody really quickly where coffee with

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask very quickly, we did catch up

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Katie, I went and saw kissing her husband yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Narri ar Kit, thank you very much for time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie.

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Speaker 1: That is Karama MLA there, Narira Kit. And if you

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